Some ideas to improve the Desert BL map.

Some ideas to improve the Desert BL map.

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Posted by: Sykper.6583

Sykper.6583

So we have had a pretty fair amount of time diving into this map, and I believe we all can relate to the pros and cons on the map.

That being said, I want to post some…small suggestions for balancing the maps to facilitate meaningful objectives, creating fights often, and reduce the impact of killing mobs for an purpose. Here it comes:

  1. While OOC on any neutral roads on the map, you gain a buff that increases movement speed by 33%.
    The direct paths to keeps and towers in other words provide a speed buff that helps everyone reach their objectives quickly, while indirect routes will require normal swiftness in case players want to take shortcuts. Furthermore during combat this road buff is killed off immediately without providing an edge in combat. The biggest issue with the map right now is simply traversing it to reach a destination, regardless of how good players get on moving through this map, it is still significantly longer to do so. A bit of time cut helps defenders and attackers find the fights, defend, attack and so forth, essentially doing what we love most. Please note that this buff could also be applied to owned objectives as well given how large keeps and towers are, but I want to start with baby steps first.
  1. Keeps/Towers T2 and T3 progress is extended further, however Dolyaks provide a bigger time reduction to compensate.
    Let’s be upfront about this, right now large objectives are upgrading way too rapidly without any effort put into them. Camps are not necessarily required when your opponent has no one online for say…an entire timezone to capture it! So no point in defending, send your offense to Karma-Train! That’s bad. Let’s fix this, I propose extending how long it takes to reach T2 and T3 by at least 50%! Have it so if you do not own any camps on a map you have that Keep for, it might take at least 12 hours to upgrade it fully rather than I believe 8 hours it is now? Keeps should be valuable objectives, but are treated like the EotM ones which is not a good thing for the health of WvW. Furthermore, my other point about Dolyaks being worth more encourages bringing back camp/yak killing, since they will cut off more from those long timers.
    Balance it out so that even with the extended times, getting mostly every dolyak into the keep/tower makes it about par with what it is doing now.
  1. Laser Event should not have mobs that need to be killed, have the nodes appear off the ground, take a 2 second interruptable channel to pick up. Furthermore reduce the damage they do to paper doors so they don’t outright kill them, and slightly increase how much they do to reinforced and fortified doors.
    We have enough NPCs at shrines, towers and keeps to defeat, although it might be a small change the feeling of not needing to kill Stoneheads and focus purely on picking up nodes and killing any enemy players doing the same is important. If it turns out that the laser event gets completed too quickly due to mobs no longer defending the nodes, increase the nodes required. The laser event is substantial enough to warrant fighting going on in mid, and JUST fighting.
    As for the laser’s damage to doors, it is blatantly too good on paper objectives, but not good enough on upgraded ones. Does it even do 20% to a fortified objective? It tickles last I checked. Have the laser event not kill any doors directly, but weaken them is a nice perk for the 5 roamers in middle doing a job. If a side sends a huge force to middle, well they will get the objective but likely get one of their major objectives taken such as a fortified one, the one they spent hours working on for.

These suggestions are cumulative. Faster OOC movements means less ‘boring’ travel on main roads, Keeps and Towers reach T1 quickly but remain at that stage for a long time unless defenders actually stop to get supply and yaks in. Attackers do NOT want these objectives to upgrade to T2 or worse, T3, and so they will try to take them out early on or delay them significantly with killing the camps for hours. Worst case scenario, a fully fortified keep or tower can be weakened more by the laser event, which will be a hot spot on a map filled with highly fortified objectives, and since there’s no needed NPC mobs to kill players only need to watch out for each other there.

How’s that all sound? Highly fortified objectives are a big deal once again, Dolyaks/camps have an improved role, the map becomes easier to move across with some perma-swiftness buff on main neutral roads, and there is a bit less mob killing in the middle, a major objective.

Give me your thoughts, I know there might be some issues with my ideas but I think I can cover those questions.

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Posted by: selan.8354

selan.8354

i like that u are being constructive and all and u did put thought into this and if they keep this bl then some of the changes would definitely make things easier, but

honestly. there is no fixing……

i really went to look for it and ways to make this map work. i got lost for 10 minutes at first, then finally found the commander. tried the laser even had to pve a keeplord down and it was stupid. like real pve …. the ai shrine thing does also not work as it pushes u off if u dont have the shrine= pve again. ther is an area where everyone is invisible and its all foggy…. i mean really in wvw ? after all the culling and everything anet came up with that glorious idea?!!?
facepalm

gliding will just turn this map more into a pve joke and yes the wvw changes have ruined wvw atm for everyone. all maps empty and the new bl is just like everyone warned form the beta an absolute disaster!
fact is: THIS IS NOT A WVW MAP so u cant fix this…

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Some ideas to improve the Desert BL map.

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Posted by: Sykper.6583

Sykper.6583

i like that u are being constructive and all and u did put thought into this and if they keep this bl then some of the changes would definitely make things easier, but

honestly. there is no fixing……

i really went to look for it and ways to make this map work. i got lost for 10 minutes at first, then finally found the commander. tried the laser even had to pve a keeplord down and it was stupid. like real pve …. the ai shrine thing does also not work as it pushes u off if u dont have the shrine= pve again. ther is an area where everyone is invisible and its all foggy…. i mean really in wvw ? after all the culling and everything anet came up with that glorious idea?!!?
facepalm

gliding will just turn this map more into a pve joke and yes the wvw changes have ruined wvw atm for everyone. all maps empty and the new bl is just like everyone warned form the beta an absolute disaster!
fact is: THIS IS NOT A WVW MAP so u cant fix this…

Gimmicks and finding the paths on a map are one thing players can get used to. Do you think Bay made into a small shark bowl was engaging? Not really but we got used to it. I find a lot of the complaints stem from just not being able to navigate the map in an efficient manner, and that certain things make holding objectives almost trivial ala Laser Event.

If you want to get two sides to fight, you need to provide carrots for both sides. All sides could theoretically go full offense and balance the score out, that would be just fine as everyone is doing something that inevitably leads to fighting each side. But right now there’s no incentive to defend anything as the auto-upgrades take care of most of the work for us right now. If you want defenders on those walls, stopping your offense and providing a meaningful WvW experience, you need to make those large objectives harder to take, but harder to upgrade as well. You make all the original objectives from the old BLs close to what they were originally, and suddenly Desert BL fulfills what it’s intent was, a change in the terrain and environment but not the core.

Suicidal Warrior.
Putting Perspective on Zerg Sizes since 2012. Common Suffixes for 40+ include ~Zilla and ~Train
“Seriously, just dodge.”