Guild Wars 2

@WrathOfGod: Nice video but one of the Henge of Denvari Valley keep wall at 70%. Remember to repair it.
I am from HoD and the guy who desperately protect the 4 catapults (on outmanned buff).

WrathOfGod.4695:

Raven.6287:

Morningstar.6208:

We actually have a rule to not to place any siege until enemy places one at spawn points.

Well it seems you break your own rules. One has to also ask how many other rules have you broken currently and in the past.

Go back to PvE while we are you match up then.
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Here is 2 vids from the past 2 nights with WvW action.
Don’t take this the wrong way, but SF, when you have a zerg with the same numbers as DR like you did today, don’t leave after you get wiped. We took Garrison 10min later when you all left and it became boring. I’m not being mean, just asking you guys to stick around more =/

Vid 1. ( mainly vs HoD ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4uNM0jKH8Y

Vid 2. ( all vs SF ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO-k_MVsY8Q&

^ still being uploaded.

Try and get some footage of the Norn Guardian is Sorrow’s Embrace gear next time

Braddock.5430:

WrathOfGod.4695:

Raven.6287:

Morningstar.6208:

We actually have a rule to not to place any siege until enemy places one at spawn points.

Well it seems you break your own rules. One has to also ask how many other rules have you broken currently and in the past.

Go back to PvE while we are you match up then.
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Here is 2 vids from the past 2 nights with WvW action.
Don’t take this the wrong way, but SF, when you have a zerg with the same numbers as DR like you did today, don’t leave after you get wiped. We took Garrison 10min later when you all left and it became boring. I’m not being mean, just asking you guys to stick around more =/

Vid 1. ( mainly vs HoD ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4uNM0jKH8Y

Vid 2. ( all vs SF ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO-k_MVsY8Q&

^ still being uploaded.

Try and get some footage of the Norn Guardian is Sorrow’s Embrace gear next time

Get naked and stand out then I will do my best haha.

To the DR thief who killed me while beckoning him in a tonic form, I just wanted to costume brawl you =(

Funny thing happened this evening…in HoD BL, two breakout events occurred simultaneously against us. Is this normal? Reading the release notes, I thought there would only be one at a time.

Vv W.7821:

To the DR thief who killed me while beckoning him in a tonic form, I just wanted to costume brawl you =(

Not cool…I would have taken you up on it. My reindeer is ready when you are…just name the time and place, bro. :-)

NotOneToRidicule.2340:

Funny thing happened this evening…in HoD BL, two breakout events occurred simultaneously against us. Is this normal? Reading the release notes, I thought there would only be one at a time.

They are both active at the same time, but usually there’s only enough people to trigger one at a time.

NotOneToRidicule.2340:

Funny thing happened this evening…in HoD BL, two breakout events occurred simultaneously against us. Is this normal? Reading the release notes, I thought there would only be one at a time.

I don’t recall reading anything about only 1 breakout event at a time. As it seems the breakout event is for each tower connected to that exit as long as we do not own any defensive structure on the map.

NotOneToRidicule.2340:

Funny thing happened this evening…in HoD BL, two breakout events occurred simultaneously against us. Is this normal? Reading the release notes, I thought there would only be one at a time.

Please tell me you aren’t actually complaining about this? I mean, the style of play and ridiculous self aggrandizing in this thread this week has left a bad taste in the mouth of a lot on HoD. But this? That HoD used the breakout NPC, to take two towers… on one map… at the same time… Really? I suppose you’d have preferred us to go all to one tower, fight you there, and then go all to the second tower, and fight you there.

(Honestly DR… It doesn’t help when you have 2 or 3 people /laughing at very tower you take either.)

Valenna Tiefling.5806:

NotOneToRidicule.2340:

Funny thing happened this evening…in HoD BL, two breakout events occurred simultaneously against us. Is this normal? Reading the release notes, I thought there would only be one at a time.

Please tell me you aren’t actually complaining about this? I mean, the style of play and ridiculous self aggrandizing in this thread this week has left a bad taste in the mouth of a lot on HoD. But this? That HoD used the breakout NPC, to take two towers… on one map… at the same time… Really? I suppose you’d have preferred us to go all to one tower, fight you there, and then go all to the second tower, and fight you there.

(Honestly DR… It doesn’t help when you have 2 or 3 people /laughing at very tower you take either.)

Hi, I dont think they were complaining about the breakout, i like the feature and enjoy the challenge of trying to take the commander out before he helps claim the tower. I think it was a simple question as we havent been able to use this feature yet (and thats not intended to be sarcastic).
Im sorry if you have the impression from the forum and i think a minority who chest beat and laugh over kills. Some are overly prideful and maybe excited to be on the rise, others are bandwagoners that will evaporate when the going gets tough. I can’t really comment on any other server but i guess alot of them will have this mix of people. Some will laugh, some will bow, the majority will do neither.
Im sure we will get our due beating at some point, i don’t think alot of us care – i just want a good slug fest.
Props to you guys in HoD and SF who keep turning out despite the odds, the same as FC and Kain. I can only hope that when/if the boot is on the other foot we have the same loyalty. but there again if people have shelled out their money for a game – i guess they should be allowed to stay with a declining server or hop to a rising one, if that is what they want to do. i cetainly dont want this same matchup next week, its no fun at all winning by such a margin and no fun getting stomped, the exciting and fun matches are the close run ones.
We have alot of little guilds and several mid size ones. I fear the day we get a big guild transfer as they seem to be the server killers, usually when they get bored for x reason and transfer off.

Anyway – please dont take stuff so personal, its just a game and for want of picking a server name we like – we could have been on the same side.
Hope you have fun next week.

Forgive my ignorance as I’m not from this tier, but SF was obliterating HoD and ET very recently and going for a record for score and now they are barely ahead of that same HoD in points while getting killed by DR? Can someone enlighten me with what happened or if DR suddenly got ridiculous transfers? The score is nothing short of surprising and I’m just wondering if something happened to SF.

This week ive noticed a lot more no-guild players turning out. i guess either random transfers or PVEr’s coming to look around. Certainly we have a few questions in chat from players new to WvW. i guess ive seen a few very small new guild tags. No mid or large guilds have transfered in that ive seen.
If anything as the week has gone on weve seen a decrease in people turning out to WvW.

HoD and SF put out a strong showing on reset night and it was a great 3 way fist fight, my view is that we had the same sized zergs. So they do have similar numbers. Maybe they are more PVE focused now?
Reset i was all excited to be a tier up and having some epic battles, woke up the next day and logged in to find DR running away = confusion/surprise, monday onwards = Bored.
Maybe everyone went to BP

I dont know what the future is for tier7. But Kain are also very aggressive and have numbers. they are going to go on a winning streak and tear up tier8, especially now FC have lost NP guild. Once kain hit tier7 my prediction is another week like this one HoD or SF.
Which is not good for all sides.
Maybe balanced will be restored after the xmas period

Esoteric.5490:

Forgive my ignorance as I’m not from this tier, but SF was obliterating HoD and ET very recently and going for a record for score and now they are barely ahead of that same HoD in points while getting killed by DR? Can someone enlighten me with what happened or if DR suddenly got ridiculous transfers? The score is nothing short of surprising and I’m just wondering if something happened to SF.

DR has absurdly high numbers, they were kept in Tier 8 by 2 Servers who were skilled and managed to prevent DR from ever completely running away with the points. Now that they’ve broken out of Tier 8, they’ll climb until they reach Servers with equally absurdly high numbers of people. Kaineng has in the last week had a dramatic increase in population with very little in the way of transfers. It’s most likely that a number of the Kaineng people are just “Fairweather” Players who will disappear as soon as Kaineng loses the first time, they just showed up en mass because it was the first week without DR in a long time. Most likely Kaineng will end up 1 tier below whatever Tier DR ends up in, possibly the same Tier for a bit until the rankings settle.

it’s not so much that they never ran away with the points – it is that anet’s ratings system is a VERY slow plodder – you move up slowly and down slowly – if you are ranked number 1 at say a rating of 2400 and your server totally quit wvw it would take 12 weeks to fall to the bottom – if you are in the bottom tier you have to over achieve to move up – so it took DR 9 weeks straight of winning to move up a single tier – and actually DR may not of moved up had ET not moved down – so lets not defend the ratings system by saying FC and Kaineng held them in T8 no.. it was anet’s ratings system

so you have a wvw playerbase that can change fairly drastically from week to week (participation, xfers, etc) on a given server and a rating system that can’t

Esoteric.5490:

Forgive my ignorance as I’m not from this tier, but SF was obliterating HoD and ET very recently and going for a record for score and now they are barely ahead of that same HoD in points while getting killed by DR? Can someone enlighten me with what happened or if DR suddenly got ridiculous transfers? The score is nothing short of surprising and I’m just wondering if something happened to SF.

1) SF wasn’t going for a record score. That was a trolling post that came from one bad seed who is no longer even with our server anymore (and was filled with most SFers who disagreed with the sentiment because we knew that week’s score was due to population advantage and luck of the draw, not skill).

2) We’ve been absolutely crushed by Borlis Pass the last couple weeks, so morale is down. When morale is down, many jump ship and go back to PvE.

3) Wintersday Event went live. SF is primarily a PvE server and many of our WvWers are also PvEers. So our WvW population massively declines when there’s a special/holiday event and our scores always take a hit as a result.

Vv W.7821:

NotOneToRidicule.2340:

Funny thing happened this evening…in HoD BL, two breakout events occurred simultaneously against us. Is this normal? Reading the release notes, I thought there would only be one at a time.

They are both active at the same time, but usually there’s only enough people to trigger one at a time.

@Vv W – Thanks!

@Valenna Tiefling – Not complaining – just trying to learn about these events because they alter tactical strategies a bit.

Now I have tons of questions for you: Do the breakout events happen in the other teams BL’s too, or just your own? It happens in EB of course, right? How many people does it take to initiate them? I think I counted only 6 ppl in one group attacking Crag. Was wondering if the minimum was low, like 5 ppl – perhaps some ran off after the event was initiated (ha – this would be a nice way to create a feint)? Also, how do you get seige thrown down? Do you ask the commander or does he just place it down in random places of his choosing?

Thanks to all who take the time to respond.

BTW Happy end of the world all!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzqiPvGrkTo

its been a pleasure playing against both DR and SF, it has been a frustrating week for everyone at HoD, so it is probably why we have been a little tense when it comes to posts and being taunted, even if it is by a certain few.

anyways good luck to you Devonas Rest, we learned alot from you, hope you continue on your winning streak through the tiers, and if we ever face again, hopefully next time it will be more fair

Calos.1350:

BTW Happy end of the world all!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzqiPvGrkTo

And a happy beginning of the 14th b’ak’tun to you!

Manoa.5897:

Calos.1350:

BTW Happy end of the world all!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzqiPvGrkTo

And a happy beginning of the 14th b’ak’tun to you!

and too u2, let the new age usher in to understanding

The White Kitty

kreese.9461:

it’s not so much that they never ran away with the points – it is that anet’s ratings system is a VERY slow plodder – you move up slowly and down slowly – if you are ranked number 1 at say a rating of 2400 and your server totally quit wvw it would take 12 weeks to fall to the bottom – if you are in the bottom tier you have to over achieve to move up – so it took DR 9 weeks straight of winning to move up a single tier – and actually DR may not of moved up had ET not moved down – so lets not defend the ratings system by saying FC and Kaineng held them in T8 no.. it was anet’s ratings system

so you have a wvw playerbase that can change fairly drastically from week to week (participation, xfers, etc) on a given server and a rating system that can’t

This kinda sentiment is getting annoying. Would you people please go back over the last 9 weeks and review the scores? 2 things will show up when you do so:
1) THEY ONLY WON 8/9 TIMES. Seriously…If you’re going to keep bringing up how “AWESOME UBERNESS” they did the last 9 weeks, at least go over those scores and get it right.
2) They very very rarely do better than 100k points more than the person in 2nd place. When they FINALLY got a LOT of points in their last weeks, it was because Fergies and Kaineng BOTH had had enough of fighting endless zombie hordes and literally left their BLs for DR to take in order to ensure they got enough points to escape the Tier.

I get it…people don’t like the scoring as it has been done in WvW, but it was working JUST fine in that matchup.

I wonder if Stormwolf has any idea how ridiculous he sounds.

Oozo.7856:

I wonder if Stormwolf has any idea how ridiculous he sounds.

Expecting the match-ups to be very close sounds far more ridiculous when transfers are available. DR led those matches between 10-100k over the previous 9 weeks. They were NOT all shut-outs, most weren’t anywhere near shut-outs. Were they optimal match-ups? Not really, but in a system like this I think they were about the best that can be expected.

NotOneToRidicule.2340:

(Honestly DR… It doesn’t help when you have 2 or 3 people /laughing at very tower you take either.)

I’m sure there are many nice people on DR but as a whole this is the general feel I get from them. While I went to another world to be with friends I have gone up against DR in the past and of all the worlds I’ve gone against I saw more of this and similar with them than with any other world. Nice thing is the further up in tiers you get the more you see people making respectful emotes and even having fun together (e.g. costume brawls, dolyak parades) between fights. I wish those that go up against them the best.

Storm, what server you from? Just let the dice roll okay? See you when u muster a server to compete, plain and simple, okay?

The White Kitty

Vv W.7821:

NotOneToRidicule.2340:

Funny thing happened this evening…in HoD BL, two breakout events occurred simultaneously against us. Is this normal? Reading the release notes, I thought there would only be one at a time.

They are both active at the same time, but usually there’s only enough people to trigger one at a time.

Actually that is not entirely correct. If there is enough people to start one of the breakout events, then there are enough people to start both. All you need to do is have everyone take a couple steps over to the other NPC commander once the first once starts.

Unfortunately often seems impossible to get anyone other than guildies to do anything in unison.. it usually seems to take around 10 minutes to beg a few people to just stand near the NPC commanders. Sometimes I wouldn’t doubt if there was a total of 50 different people that were standing at the NPC commanders for a time, but then get bored, then leave… before there are 10 people with enough attention span to stand by the event start for a moment.

If you have people that actually listen to non-blue-dot-over-head commanders, then you can quickly take both north towers by having 10 people spawn both events, then split 5 people with each NPC commander.

Another reason you might not usually see both events spawned at once is because there are many WvWers that simply like to do farming trains. Farming trains/zergs don’t like taking multiple places at once, because that means that there is less loot, and each event is harder since you don’t necessarily have overwhelming numbers.

Storm don’t complain about the system, DR is living proof to get out of hell’s kitchen, you can’t accept that? Too bad I was in DR before you were wherever you think you come from. If you were, then you would know the hell we at DR have been through. But if you don’t know what I’m talking about, then you weren’t there, and have no validity to talk.

zortek.9607:

In Tier 1, the notion of targeting commanders is simply unheard of…

Occasionally, we jest about the presence or positioning of a particular commander on the field, but a “chop-off-the-head” strategy is simply not pragmatic.

We generally have anywhere from 3-5 commanders in our primary zerg. At any given time, usually only two will typically have their pins turned on. Often the commanders are all in a “commander group” or party so we can always see each other on the map even when pin-off. This also has the side benefit of allowing the cmdrs to plan and execute in “layers” and marginalizes demoralizing tactical trolling (strategy debate) in open channel.

The map commander drives, the secondary pin (support commander) shadows the movements of the map commander and performs lead chat support (command relays). Special mission commanders can go pin-on at any time and ask for # of people to “x” up in chat and peel off the main force.

We don’t worry about the death of any commander. If the map pin dies, the secondary pin takes up point and one of the commanders that has been silent running (pin-off) goes pin-on. The map commander can literally lead from anywhere on the map. If he dies, he can go pin-off if he chooses, or if it was a nasty battle, he will might rally the dead to regroup. Dynamic conditions require dynamic reactions.

We have a “rule of three” where any command or directive is typically echo’d in chat by at least three people. There are several reasons for this but the detail probably exceeds reader stamina and is unnecessary to illustrate my point.

The map commander may ask in voip, “spam food pls” and at least three people will relay in /m and /t something like, “Refresh your food buffs… eat it if you got it.” Or he will say, “gimme TS spam” and at least three people will relay in /m and /t something like, “Join the commanders on the JQ server Teamspeak3 — jq.someaddress.com”… you get the point. We do the same for directives and commands too.

Another interesting trick…. if it looks like a wipe or for what ever reason the map requires a FULL rally, ALL commanders go PIN ON and WP (and everyone publishes the waypoint location in chat).

Do this often enough and you begin building a culture of continuity. Most zerglings are highly motivated to “not be different”, “to fit in”, “to be a roman in rome.” You condition them to tolerate (if not enjoy) the excitement of rapid state transitions. You should never fear the death of a commander or the consequences of a wipe.

Momentum allows you to exceed normal tolerances.

p.s. You may not always have 3-5 people on a map that have a commander pin. Performing leadership support doesn’t require a pin. In truth, some of the best commanders I run with perform better and deliver better results in a (pin-off) command support (shepherding) role.

I personally measure success by how often we don’t need to remind people about rule-of-three messaging. Sustainable pushes are rarely far behind.

Quoted because I admire the tactics.

Calos.1350:

Storm don’t complain about the system, DR is living proof to get out of hell’s kitchen, you can’t accept that? Too bad I was in DR before you were wherever you think you come from. If you were, then you would know the hell we at DR have been through. But if you don’t know what I’m talking about, then you weren’t there, and have no validity to talk.

Says someone on a Server that couldn’t earn their own way out of Tier 8 but instead had to have it served to them on a silver platter. I’ll see you guys again on your way back down.

zortek.9607:

In Tier 1, the notion of targeting commanders is simply unheard of…

Occasionally, we jest about the presence or positioning of a particular commander on the field, but a “chop-off-the-head” strategy is simply not pragmatic.

It’s interesting to read this because it’s -very- similar to how I tend to run things. Main thing I do different is that even when I’m commanding I prefer not to wear a Commander Icon at all. Instead I tend to talk with the Commanders I’m working with in Vent or Whispers. I do like the “Rule of Three” though, we tend to do the same, but usually because it becomes mandatory because no one listens the first two times.