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I really wish there is something which can be done about Spies/etc in WvW. Today, I spent several hours upgrading Bay by running Yaks, retaking camps, and upgrading supply deliveries. The full 9 yards. I eventually got the desired upgraded walls, gates, and a waypoint. I then stopped there and let the supply build to 1000/1000 for siege/repairs when the inevitable attacks began once again. Our Bay was sitting pretty, ready to be defended.
Eventually, as one would expect, a well planned attack was made on our Bay. No problem, I called in for some reinforcements and some came. Definitely enough to hold out against the force at hand. That is until someone, I don’t know who, decided to start two upgrades right when the attack began. They started merchants and fortify keep —- which promptly drained our supply and we were left helpless. Eventually losing Bay.
I know this cannot be an isolated problem, and I know we have had spies in the past. But I feel like there can actually be something done to prevent this in the future.
“****” There should really be some way of stopping or pausing an upgrade to a keep/tower after it has begun. This would help prevent trolls/spies from causing grief before an impending attack. I know that this could also be abused, but I am sure safeguards may be able to be put in place.
At the very least, put a log on each of the purchased upgrades telling you the character who started the upgrade, so that everyone can be made aware.
There are spies, sabateurs and trolls on most servers I’ve been on. I recall on JQ a while back we had what was definitely a spy who was siege capping the map with well placed siege leaving nothing but golems. It took over a month but they were either banned or stopped doing it. Right now we have a similar player on BG. He has been reported by hundreds of players, yet he is still getting around without being even temporarily banned. It’s likely he is running an alt account (its an upleveled character) and he is using tactics that show he has a reasonable understanding of the game. Hes either a spy or just a very sick person. I think the problem is Anet does not care about the reporting system. I mean, if a guy can get reported by hundreds of people and including manual reports with screenshots and not be banned, there is a clear problem with the system.
I have a hard time believing most of these players who are doing this consistently day in and day out are anything but spies. In all honesty, Im not a huge fan of humanity and I’m a little sadistic. But I could never invisage myself doing anything like this. I spend alot of my IRL time in game, but if I found myself doing something unproductive like this I’d consider leaving the game. I may not like humanity, but I do like myself and don’t want to waste my short time on this earth with negativity.
During the CS ember farm, a few of the ones trying to complete the event threatened to drain supplies from the BG keeps and siege cap if the zerg didn’t help kill the final boss.
Wouldn’t be surprised if that is something they typically do anyway since they do like to get their jollies off of irritating large groups of people.
Then if it is a spy, what do you expect from other servers that can’t win without hacks and spies.
All spies and saboteurs are members of the GvG scene. They drain supplies to force players to engage the enemy, thereby encouraging open field battles.
It’s a massive conspiracy, I kitten you not!
Less PVE angry birding and more pvp?
Free trial weekend means trolls will be here in bulk. Should go away soon enough. Today we had an obvious spy in our TS/ZERG, although we didn’t really know who. From the looks of it most servers are having the same problem.
On BG we have a troll commander that tries to prevent any siege from being build by throwing ballistas on top of it… It’s clearly coordinated via voice chat with JQ attacks since they don’t even attack him except for the PUGs that don’t know the spots he stays during the attack to stay safe…
He also drops ballistas on top of camps to prevent people from getting supply and obviously drain it…
If that is what WvW is about these days it needs more work… Ballistas costing 20c on the TP really doesn’t help the situation…
I don’t have all the answers but something needs to be done… People that are not really into WvW (and could be) just look at scores and get frustrated and don’t join… If the game sells that the “end-game content” is WvW something really needs to be done to fix it…
Op
Great thread and the burdem of it all; Arena.net is fully aware of it! yet, they intentionally choose not to do anything about it,
This is another major irony that’s plaguing wvw at a very high rate yet nothing been done about it.
Infact, i’m finally believing, all the ironies in wvw including yours mentioned OP, are Intentional supported and justifed by Arena.net.
I will not even start to rant because with gw2 anniversary; that says it all.
Every pain, agony and ironies of wvw, are Intentional and will get worse and worse each day, months and years.
As the saying goes, ‘what you see, is what you get’
The remedy to all of this, is to keep your eyes and ears open, most importantly, to keep your wings open; there is much a better world out there.
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Even though I love this game I agree with you… Pains me, but I think eventually even the game will be downloadable for free and this will get worse…
Maybe it’s time to look for options…
Really, 1 year and nothing done. If Anet added more options to the report sistem would be so much easy for all of us.
In here you can’t say what you want bc its against rules and a mod can ban you from forums. But ingame you can do whatever the kitten you want and nothing happen.
Today this troll capped siege hills with balistas, throwed them in the gates as we tryed to repair and even walked around with a Commander tag following our team to every borderland we go. One guy ruined the fun of 40 ppl and Anet dont even say something about it.
If this is the kind of respect you have for your wvw community, mb we should start a strike. Everyone should stop purchasing gems and supporting this game untill you guys show some love and consideration about what we’ve been asking for so long.
Do something about this trolls, or myself and many others will have no option but stop to give you $.
Theres so much things wrong with WvW right now, I have the feeling that Anet statment about the community are just a way to decieve us from the fact that you just dont care.
Prove me wrong and PLEASE!!! Help us!! WvW community is fighting to stay alive, this should mean something to you Anet. >.<’
Deal with it. If you can’t figure out how to adapt to such things, then you deserve to lose.
You need to understand that players devoted to griefing are always going to exist, no matter what “safeguards” you put in place. Being able to pause upgrades? You think the same people griefing now won’t just spam the pause button to slow everything down? They’ll always find a way around whatever preventative measures are in place, and a lot of the suggestions people complaining about it come up with would actually just encourage this behavior more than help put a stop to it.
The solution is to adapt. Yes, it requires effort and thought on your part, but that’s kind of how a competitive game is supposed to work.
To be honest, 9 times out of 10 it won’t be a spy, it’ll just be some newbie who thinks they’re helping out by dropping 50 silver for the team. The problem is that one person can burn the supply of the entire server, troll or not.
You can never conclusively prove that someone is griefing in order to ban them, they might just not know any better. But you can limit the ability of trolls to cause damage.
Just split supply into two types: Seige Supplies and Building Materials. Dolyaks, instead of bringing 60 supply to a tower, instead bring (for example) 30 Seige Supply and 30 Building Materials. BM can only be used for upgrades and repairs, SS can only be used to build seige. That way if someone starts an upgrade when you really need supply for building defensive seige, you aren’t completely screwed.
It also stops people halting upgrades by stealing all the supply.
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To be honest, 9 times out of 10 it won’t be a spy, it’ll just be some newbie who thinks they’re helping out by dropping 50 silver for the team. The problem is that one person can burn the supply of the entire server, troll or not.
You can never conclusively prove that someone is griefing in order to ban them, they might just not know any better. But you can limit the ability of trolls to cause damage.
Just split supply into two types: Seige Supplies and Building Materials. Dolyaks, instead of bringing 60 supply to a tower, instead bring 30 Seige Supply and 30 Building Materials. BM can only be used for upgrades and repairs, SS can only be used to build seige. That way if someone starts an upgrade when you really need supply for building defensive seige, you aren’t completely screwed.
And suddenly it takes twice as long to upgrade the defenses of a keep or tower (while also providing half as much supply for siege and repairs when being attacked), just for the sake of making things slightly more difficult for griefers. And this when the forum whiners are constantly complaining about defense being hard enough, already.
To be honest, 9 times out of 10 it won’t be a spy, it’ll just be some newbie who thinks they’re helping out by dropping 50 silver for the team. The problem is that one person can burn the supply of the entire server, troll or not.
You can never conclusively prove that someone is griefing in order to ban them, they might just not know any better. But you can limit the ability of trolls to cause damage.
Just split supply into two types: Seige Supplies and Building Materials. Dolyaks, instead of bringing 60 supply to a tower, instead bring 30 Seige Supply and 30 Building Materials. BM can only be used for upgrades and repairs, SS can only be used to build seige. That way if someone starts an upgrade when you really need supply for building defensive seige, you aren’t completely screwed.
And suddenly it takes twice as long to upgrade the defenses of a keep or tower (while also providing half as much supply for siege and repairs when being attacked), just for the sake of making things slightly more difficult for griefers. And this when the forum whiners are constantly complaining about defense being hard enough, already.
Make it 60 SS and 60 BM then. The numbers are irrelevant, thanks for missing the point ^^
And as I said above (edited in), it actually helps people trying to upgrade, because they no longer have their supply stolen by people wanting to build golems or w/e.
To be honest, 9 times out of 10 it won’t be a spy, it’ll just be some newbie who thinks they’re helping out by dropping 50 silver for the team. The problem is that one person can burn the supply of the entire server, troll or not.
You can never conclusively prove that someone is griefing in order to ban them, they might just not know any better. But you can limit the ability of trolls to cause damage.
Just split supply into two types: Seige Supplies and Building Materials. Dolyaks, instead of bringing 60 supply to a tower, instead bring 30 Seige Supply and 30 Building Materials. BM can only be used for upgrades and repairs, SS can only be used to build seige. That way if someone starts an upgrade when you really need supply for building defensive seige, you aren’t completely screwed.
And suddenly it takes twice as long to upgrade the defenses of a keep or tower (while also providing half as much supply for siege and repairs when being attacked), just for the sake of making things slightly more difficult for griefers. And this when the forum whiners are constantly complaining about defense being hard enough, already.
Make it 60 SS and 60 BM then. The numbers are irrelevant, thanks for missing the point ^^
The numbers are entirely the point. If you skew things too much in either direction, you harm the balance of the game for all players, simply in an effort to deter griefers (a group of people that can never truly be deterred).
To be honest, 9 times out of 10 it won’t be a spy, it’ll just be some newbie who thinks they’re helping out by dropping 50 silver for the team. The problem is that one person can burn the supply of the entire server, troll or not.
You can never conclusively prove that someone is griefing in order to ban them, they might just not know any better. But you can limit the ability of trolls to cause damage.
Just split supply into two types: Seige Supplies and Building Materials. Dolyaks, instead of bringing 60 supply to a tower, instead bring 30 Seige Supply and 30 Building Materials. BM can only be used for upgrades and repairs, SS can only be used to build seige. That way if someone starts an upgrade when you really need supply for building defensive seige, you aren’t completely screwed.
And suddenly it takes twice as long to upgrade the defenses of a keep or tower (while also providing half as much supply for siege and repairs when being attacked), just for the sake of making things slightly more difficult for griefers. And this when the forum whiners are constantly complaining about defense being hard enough, already.
Make it 60 SS and 60 BM then. The numbers are irrelevant, thanks for missing the point ^^
The numbers are entirely the point. If you skew things too much in either direction, you harm the balance of the game for all players, simply in an effort to deter griefers (a group of people that can never truly be deterred).
I just dont’ understand why you’re so hostile to an idea that would both help:
1. People wanting to build seige by stopping their supply being eaten by trolls/newbies starting ugprades.
2. People trying to upgrade and having their supply stolen by others.
Other than demanding some developer time, there is no downside.
To be honest, 9 times out of 10 it won’t be a spy, it’ll just be some newbie who thinks they’re helping out by dropping 50 silver for the team. The problem is that one person can burn the supply of the entire server, troll or not.
You can never conclusively prove that someone is griefing in order to ban them, they might just not know any better. But you can limit the ability of trolls to cause damage.
Just split supply into two types: Seige Supplies and Building Materials. Dolyaks, instead of bringing 60 supply to a tower, instead bring 30 Seige Supply and 30 Building Materials. BM can only be used for upgrades and repairs, SS can only be used to build seige. That way if someone starts an upgrade when you really need supply for building defensive seige, you aren’t completely screwed.
And suddenly it takes twice as long to upgrade the defenses of a keep or tower (while also providing half as much supply for siege and repairs when being attacked), just for the sake of making things slightly more difficult for griefers. And this when the forum whiners are constantly complaining about defense being hard enough, already.
Make it 60 SS and 60 BM then. The numbers are irrelevant, thanks for missing the point ^^
The numbers are entirely the point. If you skew things too much in either direction, you harm the balance of the game for all players, simply in an effort to deter griefers (a group of people that can never truly be deterred).
I just dont’ understand why you’re so hostile to an idea that would both help:
1. People wanting to build seige by stopping their supply being eaten by trolls/newbies starting ugprades.
2. People trying to upgrade and having their supply stolen by others.
Other than demanding some developer time, there is no downside.
Criticizing it and suggesting that you consider the wider consequences of such a change qualifies as ‘hostile’? If that’s the case, think about how much hostility ArenaNet has to go through every day because of the utter brats on this forum. If you can’t handle that, then maybe you shouldn’t be making suggestions in the first place. I’m not trying to be rude to you, it’s simply exhausting to see so many people on this forum who believe they can do an infinitely better job than ArenaNet, when they don’t fully examine the implications of their own ideas.
Regardless, suddenly having twice as much supply available can be just as damaging. On top of that, what will your suggestion truly change? There’s still the issue of upgrade supply being burned on “useless” upgrades like merchants and guards to prevent people from repairing or activating more useful upgrades. Meanwhile, griefers can also still go about draining the siege supply by dropping useless rams or whatever else (and guess what: suddenly they have even more supply than before to build siege in inconvenient and obtrusive places!). You’re not going to stop griefers; at best, you’re only going to push them in other directions, while simultaneously skewing the balance of the game.
That you think your idea is infallible suggests that you haven’t fully thought it through.
And you seem to think that because the idea doesn’t cure cancer and solve world hunger, that it isn’t even worth bothering with.
Its true that it wouldn’t solve all the problems in the game. However, as I said to start with, it would significantly reduce the impact of people, whether intentionally or not, hurting the server by doing foolish things. Starting cannons before upgrading gates is annoying, but not game-breaking. Starting Fortify and Guards when you need supply to build defensive trebs is game-breaking.
Obviously making it 60/60 would increase the total supply floating around the game, which is why I initially suggested 30/30. But this is nitpicking details, you could make it 60/30 or 40/40 or 50/10. ANet will have access to statistics on supply usage and could very easily balance the numbers to have minimal impact on game balance. This is why I said the numbers are irrelevant, because the precise values are not the main point of the suggestion.
And of course trolls can still build useless rams, however these people are much easier to spot and deal with. But now they can’t slow down a building upgrade by doing it.
I still consider splitting supply into Seige Supply and Building Materials to be a useful solution to reducing the impact of well-meaning idiots and griefers.
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