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Posted by: swilkers.5938

swilkers.5938

Stealth: The duration of Revealed has been increased to 4 seconds when coming out of stealth via an attack.

So…is this enough? Instead of the Thief being available for attack for 2 seconds, they are available for a whole 4 seconds. Is this acceptable in WvW?

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Posted by: Bren Ranger.3725

Bren Ranger.3725

The thief is only unavailable if you fail to stop them restealthing. Even an immobilize will ruin a bad thiefs day.. Learn to auto attack the air, before you know it you’ll have a thief on the ground =]

[HARD] ~Isle of Janthir~ Commander.
Bren the Ele
80: Thief, Mesmer, Ranger, Ele, Warrior.

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Posted by: Pavel.8531

Pavel.8531

I played 4 hours WvW on thief today, didn’t notice the 1 more second having any difference. I was still easily winning 1v2 battles, even with the fixed culling(or escaping by chaining stealth, again no problem). However, this 1 second broke pve for me(s/d 30 sa build) great balancing, anet.

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Posted by: Zikory.6871

Zikory.6871

Just to clear something up for you. The addition of 1 second to revealed does a lot more then it sounds. It effects a lot of traits that rely on stealth which were the core of a lot of builds. But besides that…Culling be fixed…

With culling on, (pre patch) A thief would stealth for 3-4 seconds then attack and get the revealed debuff wait 3 seconds then restealth. Due to culling that 3 seconds revealed seemed more like 1-2 seconds to you. Every time the thief would leave stealth it would take some time for the model to load on your screen making it feel like the thief is jumping in and out of stealth like there was no cool down.

Now with culling gone when the thief leaves stealth hes there and can’t use culling as a tool (intended or not) so the thief is visible for a full 4 seconds. This is a big deal from the thieves perspective, due to normally low HP and defense 4 seconds is a long time when most of the defense/healing/condition removal comes from stealth.

From what I can tell its close to game breaking for thieves now but its only the day after the patch, people haven’t had time to really theorycraft new builds and what not so its up in the air. As for other classes fight thieves, all i heard last night on TS what wow thieves are bad now and OH! killed another thief. So I think its game breaking for thieves of sub par skill levels. Thats my take on it at least…

[KnT] – Knight Gaming – Blackgate
Zikory – Retired Thief
Zikkro – Zergling Necromancer

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Posted by: swilkers.5938

swilkers.5938

I played 4 hours WvW on thief today, didn’t notice the 1 more second having any difference. I was still easily winning 1v2 battles, even with the fixed culling(or escaping by chaining stealth, again no problem). However, this 1 second broke pve for me(s/d 30 sa build) great balancing, anet.

LOL so zero thief stealth change. What a phuckin joke. The WvW thief stealth keeps alot of potential WvW players at bay since it is RIDICULOUSLY op. Say what you want..“Spam AOE whatever” you are wrong. The Thief stealth in WvW is inherently wrong. It is OP and requires zero skill in WvW at this point. It is a zero honor class to play and zero skill to rule. I have a level 9 thief that can dominate players in WvW. It’s a joke playing a backstab thief in WvW. If you take ANY damage as a thief in WvW, you should unstealth. If you attack in WvW, you should have a LARGE cool down with that. Thieves are MEANT to be opportunists. Not Predators. That is inherently unfair.

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Posted by: Yams.6082

Yams.6082

I have a level 9 thief that can dominate players in WvW. It’s a joke playing a backstab thief in WvW.

I’d like to report this nincompoop for hacking. Either that, or he owns up to the drivel that he’s spouting.

Yams One/Two/Three/Four/Five/Six
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Posted by: swilkers.5938

swilkers.5938

I have a level 9 thief that can dominate players in WvW. It’s a joke playing a backstab thief in WvW.

I’d like to report this nincompoop for hacking. Either that, or he owns up to the drivel that he’s spouting.

Really? Wearing ZERO armor I can kill several in a mob. If you can’t kill much then maybe you should LTP.

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Charr – Ranger
Human – Guardian

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Posted by: Terrahero.9358

Terrahero.9358

Assuming Culling change has fixed this issue where Thieves remain invisible for much longer then intented.

Its only if you actually have the hardware to run without culling. A lot of people still have their culling on or else WvW becomes unplayable for them. These people are still getting gibbed by ghosts.

This will be an interesting dynamic….

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Posted by: Zikory.6871

Zikory.6871

I played 4 hours WvW on thief today, didn’t notice the 1 more second having any difference. I was still easily winning 1v2 battles, even with the fixed culling(or escaping by chaining stealth, again no problem). However, this 1 second broke pve for me(s/d 30 sa build) great balancing, anet.

LOL so zero thief stealth change. What a phuckin joke. The WvW thief stealth keeps alot of potential WvW players at bay since it is RIDICULOUSLY op. Say what you want..“Spam AOE whatever” you are wrong. The Thief stealth in WvW is inherently wrong. It is OP and requires zero skill in WvW at this point. It is a zero honor class to play and zero skill to rule. I have a level 9 thief that can dominate players in WvW. It’s a joke playing a backstab thief in WvW. If you take ANY damage as a thief in WvW, you should unstealth. If you attack in WvW, you should have a LARGE cool down with that. Thieves are MEANT to be opportunists. Not Predators. That is inherently unfair.

I would like to see video of your level 9 dominating in WvW. I’ll leave it at that since its quite obvious where this thread is going to go.

[KnT] – Knight Gaming – Blackgate
Zikory – Retired Thief
Zikkro – Zergling Necromancer

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Posted by: Cactus.2710

Cactus.2710

I have a level 9 thief that can dominate players in WvW. It’s a joke playing a backstab thief in WvW.

I’d like to report this nincompoop for hacking. Either that, or he owns up to the drivel that he’s spouting.

Really? Wearing ZERO armor I can kill several in a mob. If you can’t kill much then maybe you should LTP.

Like Yams says … nincompoop.

D/D Thief who prefers mobility to stealth … so yeah, I die a lot
Stormbluff Isle [AoD]

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Posted by: Victory.2879

Victory.2879

Reveal debuff..so CnD no longer puts you in stealth?

Funny to read a thief moaning about this one second change- they can still escape easily from any fight whenever they feel like it, nothing reveals you out of stealth, your macro still downs players (and even more of them atm as we’re flooded with pve’rs with paper for armor) and now you’re qqing as you actually have to play a bit more like a real toon…only a bit mind, stealth is still a deeply flawed idea without any real counter.

Victory, Beings Lost On Borderlands (BLOB), SFR & Gandara (inactive)

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Posted by: swilkers.5938

swilkers.5938

I have a level 9 thief that can dominate players in WvW. It’s a joke playing a backstab thief in WvW.

I’d like to report this nincompoop for hacking. Either that, or he owns up to the drivel that he’s spouting.

Really? Wearing ZERO armor I can kill several in a mob. If you can’t kill much then maybe you should LTP.

Like Yams says … nincompoop.

Are you really asking for video of thief play?? I assumed that it was general knowledge that backstab thieves were OP steath. My bad if not. ANET is seriously missing this point aparently. ANET, you do realize that WvW thief stealth is entirely OP? Why should a thief be able to crawl away from a failed attack??? Answer…they should not. There is ZERO penalty for thief bad play. If you play a thief, you can ALWAYS get away.

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Charr – Ranger
Human – Guardian

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Posted by: Pavel.8531

Pavel.8531

Cry me a river swilkers.

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Posted by: Heijincks.9267

Heijincks.9267

I have a level 9 thief that can dominate players in WvW.

Dominate already downed people you mean?

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Posted by: hammer.9721

hammer.9721

Just like to thank the op for a laugh.I’m on jade so one day i might get to meet your awesome lv 9 thief.I just hope i can handle the 1000 or so damage your backstabs do.Just in case you dont get what im saying learn how upscaling works in this game before making outrageous claims.

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Posted by: Maladon.5760

Maladon.5760

Reveal debuff..so CnD no longer puts you in stealth?

It works exactly the same now as it did before the patch. You get the revealed debuff when you hit CnD. You can easily wait it out prior to exiting stealth, at which time you are instantly ready to CnD again and re-enter stealth. The revealed debuff went from 3 seconds to 4 which means nothing to WvW thieves who all have points in Shadow Arts.

Malzarius – Guardian
Malzerius – Thief
Dark Covenant (SBI)

(edited by Maladon.5760)

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Posted by: Dakarius.3284

Dakarius.3284

umm, what?

You get revealed from attacking from stealth. this change affects thieves with full shadow arts trait line the most.

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Posted by: Maladon.5760

Maladon.5760

umm, what?

You get revealed from attacking from stealth. this change affects thieves with full shadow arts trait line the most.

Sorry, talking about still being able to chain CnD for near perma stealth.

ps – Post edited for clarity

Malzarius – Guardian
Malzerius – Thief
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Posted by: Taobella.6597

Taobella.6597

1 extra second of reveal is a good change it help newer player learn how to punish thief. that choose to not have high meter regen. but really if we talking about pvp here you just be baiting out there dodge right at the end there a frame trap you can CnD on it it unavoidable hit.

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Posted by: Dasorine.1964

Dasorine.1964

got bored yesterday and rolled a ranger, bought a longbow of TP and went into WvW at level 4 with no utilities and no skills unlocked on bow, headed to find certain pets a thief popped up and we duel, them throwing out dagger storms and such I know they were at least level 30, at this point I’d unlocked rapid fire and hunter’s shot.

Not only did my tiny little level 4 ranger not get instant gibbed, I managed to fight back enough to allow them to dagger storm three times before attempting to flee as a second person arrived to back me up… now does this mean my level 4 ranger is imba and OP nope? Does this mean the thief is underpowered and ruined forever? Nope just means that the thief player wasn’t as good going against someone that knows the thief mechanics well (honestly no idea about the ranger ones mind ><)

Every steal step to CnD was dodged and every utility stealth/smoke field stealth was rapid fired through, I almost felt sorry for the thief till I remembered that I was level 4 and shouldn’t have been able to go 1 v 1 with anyone with all their utilities with only 3 attack skills and a heal (plus pet I guess)

So stealth change mostly negligible in wvw situations (though slightly lower survivability in group fighting due to loss of shadow arts trait reuse and more visible time but little to no effect in 1v1) but stealth itself isn’t half as dangerous as it seems anyway so…

Culling change has a far bigger effect on the thief (mainly the bad thief) than the actual stealth change does in wvw.

(edited by Dasorine.1964)

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Posted by: Rayya.2591

Rayya.2591

It is a zero honor class to play and zero skill to rule. I have a level 9 thief that can dominate players in WvW.

wich elite skills you use ?
and what traits ?
Can you post an video ?

http://imgur.com/a/fKgjD
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Posted by: Cactus.2710

Cactus.2710

I have a level 9 thief that can dominate players in WvW. It’s a joke playing a backstab thief in WvW.

I’d like to report this nincompoop for hacking. Either that, or he owns up to the drivel that he’s spouting.

Really? Wearing ZERO armor I can kill several in a mob. If you can’t kill much then maybe you should LTP.

Like Yams says … nincompoop.

Are you really asking for video of thief play?? I assumed that it was general knowledge that backstab thieves were OP steath. My bad if not. ANET is seriously missing this point aparently. ANET, you do realize that WvW thief stealth is entirely OP? Why should a thief be able to crawl away from a failed attack??? Answer…they should not. There is ZERO penalty for thief bad play. If you play a thief, you can ALWAYS get away.

Again … nincompoop. The entire concept of a thief as outlined by ANet is based upon stealth. Attack from stealth, have access to high burst damage, and retreat in stealth if the attack fails. A thief who cannot stealth is a dead thief .. every .. kittening .. time. A thief who failed in his attack and had to stealth away is a thief who didn’t kill you. That makes him really annoying … but not necessarily OP. If you pretend he was never there you have the same end result.

I’ve seen a marked improvement in the ability of enemies to counter me as a thief the last few weeks. Apparently these whining threads like yours have served at least that useful purpose as some players appear to have learned from them … yourself excluded, of course.

D/D Thief who prefers mobility to stealth … so yeah, I die a lot
Stormbluff Isle [AoD]

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Posted by: Samhayn.2385

Samhayn.2385

Well I don’t currently play my Thief I can say it is a hell of a lot easier to fight them with culling fixed, I don’t even know if reveal needed to be changed. The newest tactic I have seen is Thief attacks me, gets his kitten pushed in, runs away till he can drop combat and ports out.


It was 2 vs 20 but its ok we got’em both!

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Posted by: swinsk.6410

swinsk.6410

My biggest problem with the nerf is not the repercussions of the nerf in combat but the fact that I have to relearn how to play my class all over again.

It used to be that after a full auto-attack chain from sword or dagger, at the end is when you hit the cnd button to stealth.

Now, it’s somewhere in the middle of the chain, so we have to stop our auto-attack chain in the middle of it, and stealth.

Just freaking stupid if you ask me.

Culling was the only fix thief needed. Anyone else who thinks otherwise needs to “L2P.”

Just another noob thief…