Guild Wars 2

I don’t think the desert maps got a good run through because there was never an active season while they were out. I think we should have a new Season with the first week all Desert BL, but then active WvW players can ‘vote’ which borderland their servers have before the next match. You already have a system for detecting active players for bonus chests, now you just need an NPC that uses that data to cast a vote.

I know it’ll cause a little chaos with the Alpine buffs but you can change their scaling by how many of those BL maps are active. (1 Alpine controlling the complete buff could make for some intense battles, like I believe you always hoped there would be with those cannons and such being used!)

No. Alpine 100% until they come up with a new map much smaller and less intricate then the desert bls.

I think they should put the bl maps on a rotating basis. Maybe every 2 weeks or once a month. Would keep things interesting.

The desert bls were not hard to get used to, especially if one had spent any time out there. And the changes they made with some of the barricades and such improved it a lot. But, I know that a lot of people enjoy the alpine bls, as well, myself included.

I don’t think there would be any harm in trying to rotate them, and see what the playerbase thinks.

They did have polls/ vote prior to bringing back Alpine and the vote was overwhelmingly pro Alpine. The DBLs were more suitable for EotM or PvE, not WvW.

They really should create a new map with the focus on keeping players engaged in nonstop challenging, strategic, fun large scale PvP action the entire time they are on it and use the desert theme there . You need maps that encourage PvP, not encourage avoiding it. Even the keeps were designed to avoid PvP with too many escape routes, when the goal of a PvP game mode should be to keep people in the action instead of looking for it.

If you have everyone playing on the Alpine BLs when they are there and everyone playing on EBG when the DBLs are there, it has already shown clearly to be the case that many players will not go there and they do more harm than good keeping them in WvW at all. All a rotation would do is ensure all of those players who will not play on the DBLs either do not play WvW while they are there or sit in queue for EBG and still do not get to play WvW due to them. By putting the DBL’s in play at all in WvW is telling all of those players " we do not care if you play or not" which happens to be the majority of the WvW player base. The queues for EBG have already shown the answer, and considering Alpine has the queues now it is quite obvious what the majority of players have asked for.

lil devils x.6071:

They did have polls/ vote prior to bringing back Alpine and the vote was overwhelmingly pro Alpine. They really should create a new map with the focus on keeping players engaged in nonstop challenging, strategic, fun large scale PvP action the entire time they are on it and use the desert theme there . You need maps that encourage PvP, not encourage avoiding it. Even the keeps were designed to avoid PvP with too many escape routes, when the goal of a PvP game mode should be to keep people in the action instead of looking for it.

Its wvw, not pvp……big difference.

Teon.5168:

lil devils x.6071:

They did have polls/ vote prior to bringing back Alpine and the vote was overwhelmingly pro Alpine. They really should create a new map with the focus on keeping players engaged in nonstop challenging, strategic, fun large scale PvP action the entire time they are on it and use the desert theme there . You need maps that encourage PvP, not encourage avoiding it. Even the keeps were designed to avoid PvP with too many escape routes, when the goal of a PvP game mode should be to keep people in the action instead of looking for it.

Its wvw, not pvp……big difference.

WvW WAS advertised as a large scale PvP game mode BTW. In fact, in GW1, when we filled out the surveys they used to create this game we wrote in " Large scale PvP " and Anet TOLD US that they were giving us a Large scale PvP game mode because the majority asked for it. SO whether or not you realize it, they told us this was supposed to be the large scale PvP game mode we asked for, and advertised it as such.

BIG difference than the idea of a PvE are where you can also attack people. We were told we were receiving a large scale PvP game mode, they advertised a large scale PvP game mode so it would be correct to expect it to BE a large scale PvP game mode. People expect to get what they paid for.

99.9% of this game is PvE, they can allow this tiny part of the game to be PvP, as they said. Yes, players should expect them to keep their word.

@OP:

The fact that people didn’t want to play on them says everything we need to know. Having a season and forcing people to play on them does’n’t prove anything.

The maps were a failure. Move on.

style.6173:

@OP:

The fact that people didn’t want to play on them says everything we need to know. Having a season and forcing people to play on them does’n’t prove anything.

The maps were a failure. Move on.

3 things why map was a failure, cummunity after all love low effort stuff, and anet did not want to cut/mess with the map layout, also add some core design issues that will be continued to be ignored.

Still desert map had much more potential, just needed to be more tweaked, after removing those gimmicks and some pve’ish adversities.

Aeolus.3615:

style.6173:

@OP:

The fact that people didn’t want to play on them says everything we need to know. Having a season and forcing people to play on them does’n’t prove anything.

The maps were a failure. Move on.

3 things why map was a failure, cummunity after all love low effort stuff, and anet did not want to cut/mess with the map layout, also add some core design issues that will be continued to be ignored.

Still desert map had much more potential, just needed to be more tweaked, after removing those gimmicks and some pve’ish adversities.

There is a difference between tweaking a map to make it " playable" vs creating a map from the ground up to make players want to play it and draw more players to the game because they are having too much fun on it.

The players deserve a map designed from the ground up to keep players engaged in nonstop challenging, strategic, fun PvP action the entire time they are on it. This was the opposite of that. It was not designed to bring players together or keep them IN the action at all and that has to be the primary focus from the beginning. The map is just the backdrop and facilitator, but the PvP action is supposed to be what is focus. They can do that and put the desert skin on it, but that IS what should be done to improve the game mode long term. They are trying to take a map that was designed the opposite of what players want and " make it playable" and that just doe not cut it. It should be much more than just " Playable".

The the alpine bl cant offer that as well, players are there because, it wasn’t there for quite some time, as in a" psychological" effect of hype.
It will return to the same as before, GG we capped a empty tower this was fun, repeat while everything gets reseted, and repeat all again, this was what alpine was about, after all wasnt so different from the desert.

Is this what Gw2 WvW has all to offer?

I remember why I hate alpine. Especially during off hours, it is a ktrain map. DBL took a little more effort so you didn’t have to baby sit as hard as alpine.

lil devils x.6071:

Teon.5168:

lil devils x.6071:

They did have polls/ vote prior to bringing back Alpine and the vote was overwhelmingly pro Alpine. They really should create a new map with the focus on keeping players engaged in nonstop challenging, strategic, fun large scale PvP action the entire time they are on it and use the desert theme there . You need maps that encourage PvP, not encourage avoiding it. Even the keeps were designed to avoid PvP with too many escape routes, when the goal of a PvP game mode should be to keep people in the action instead of looking for it.

Its wvw, not pvp……big difference.

WvW WAS advertised as a large scale PvP game mode BTW. In fact, in GW1, when we filled out the surveys they used to create this game we wrote in " Large scale PvP " and Anet TOLD US that they were giving us a Large scale PvP game mode because the majority asked for it. SO whether or not you realize it, they told us this was supposed to be the large scale PvP game mode we asked for, and advertised it as such.

BIG difference than the idea of a PvE are where you can also attack people. We were told we were receiving a large scale PvP game mode, they advertised a large scale PvP game mode so it would be correct to expect it to BE a large scale PvP game mode. People expect to get what they paid for.

99.9% of this game is PvE, they can allow this tiny part of the game to be PvP, as they said. Yes, players should expect them to keep their word.

I don’t care what they told you in GW1. They gave you pvp in GW2. WvW is different. And they gave you that, too. If you had had any previous experience with that game mode in other mmorpgs, you would know the difference.

But, since I have already had plenty of experience with your mentality on these forums, I don’t expect my wvw/rvr experience with other mmorpgs to carry any weight with you. What a shock…./yawn.

Carry on and keep creating your own realities.

WvW players flee’ing in a massive tidal wave of disgust and the remaining WvW players only playing EB wasn’t a good enough indication for you ?

Nuzt.7894:

WvW players flee’ing in a massive tidal wave of disgust and the remaining WvW players only playing EB wasn’t a good enough indication for you ?

Yea, the game will probably fold tomorrow. /eyeroll

Teon.5168:

Nuzt.7894:

WvW players flee’ing in a massive tidal wave of disgust and the remaining WvW players only playing EB wasn’t a good enough indication for you ?

Yea, the game will probably fold tomorrow. /eyeroll

Good reading comprehension, do you even have a clue what the OP posted ? Clearly you do not or you would have realized no one said the game is ending tomorrow. Your comment is White Knightery at it’s finest.

Did players leave in a tidal wave of disgust with the release of the new BL’s? Yes they did.
Did the remaining players flock to EB rather then participating on the new BL’s? Yes they did.

Both are accurate statements and relevant to the OP’s question.

Nuzt.7894:

Teon.5168:

Nuzt.7894:

WvW players flee’ing in a massive tidal wave of disgust and the remaining WvW players only playing EB wasn’t a good enough indication for you ?

Yea, the game will probably fold tomorrow. /eyeroll

Good reading comprehension, do you even have a clue what the OP posted ? Clearly you do not or you would have realized no one said the game is ending tomorrow. Your comment is White Knightery at it’s finest.

Did players leave in a tidal wave of disgust with the release of the new BL’s? Yes they did.
Did the remaining players flock to EB rather then participating on the new BL’s? Yes they did.

Both are accurate statements and relevant to the OP’s question.

Obviously sarcasm is something foreign to you.
Or maybe it is the lack of some wild, obvious, sarcasm font….I don’t know….I guess the /eyeroll wasn’t enough to alert you.

My third post down in the thread should have shown you that yea, I read the op. And I actually sort of agreed with it.

Your statements about why players left wvw I also sort of agree with. Although I think it had more to do with the fact that Anet had really ignored wvw for so long…..that bled off a lot of players over a long period of time. Now that they are finally paying some attention to wvw has players coming back, and makes me somewhat encouraged about it all.

Teon.5168:

Nuzt.7894:

Teon.5168:

Nuzt.7894:

WvW players flee’ing in a massive tidal wave of disgust and the remaining WvW players only playing EB wasn’t a good enough indication for you ?

Yea, the game will probably fold tomorrow. /eyeroll

Good reading comprehension, do you even have a clue what the OP posted ? Clearly you do not or you would have realized no one said the game is ending tomorrow. Your comment is White Knightery at it’s finest.

Did players leave in a tidal wave of disgust with the release of the new BL’s? Yes they did.
Did the remaining players flock to EB rather then participating on the new BL’s? Yes they did.

Both are accurate statements and relevant to the OP’s question.

Obviously sarcasm is something foreign to you.
Or maybe it is the lack of some wild, obvious, sarcasm font….I don’t know….I guess the /eyeroll wasn’t enough to alert you.

My third post down in the thread should have shown you that yea, I read the op. And I actually sort of agreed with it.

Your statements about why players left wvw I also sort of agree with. Although I think it had more to do with the fact that Anet had really ignored wvw for so long…..that bled off a lot of players over a long period of time. Now that they are finally paying some attention to wvw has players coming back, and makes me somewhat encouraged about it all.

You’re right the largest part of people leaving was neglect, the straw that broke the camels back was the abomination that happened to WvW when HoT dropped. My original post was directed at the OP and his theory about how the new BL’s didn’t get a good run. They had 6 month … that in my mind is more then enough time to distinguish that players had zero interest in playing them, we don’t need a tournament to see that.

Nuzt.7894:

Teon.5168:

Nuzt.7894:

Teon.5168:

Nuzt.7894:

WvW players flee’ing in a massive tidal wave of disgust and the remaining WvW players only playing EB wasn’t a good enough indication for you ?

Yea, the game will probably fold tomorrow. /eyeroll

Good reading comprehension, do you even have a clue what the OP posted ? Clearly you do not or you would have realized no one said the game is ending tomorrow. Your comment is White Knightery at it’s finest.

Did players leave in a tidal wave of disgust with the release of the new BL’s? Yes they did.
Did the remaining players flock to EB rather then participating on the new BL’s? Yes they did.

Both are accurate statements and relevant to the OP’s question.

Obviously sarcasm is something foreign to you.
Or maybe it is the lack of some wild, obvious, sarcasm font….I don’t know….I guess the /eyeroll wasn’t enough to alert you.

My third post down in the thread should have shown you that yea, I read the op. And I actually sort of agreed with it.

Your statements about why players left wvw I also sort of agree with. Although I think it had more to do with the fact that Anet had really ignored wvw for so long…..that bled off a lot of players over a long period of time. Now that they are finally paying some attention to wvw has players coming back, and makes me somewhat encouraged about it all.

You’re right the largest part of people leaving was neglect, the straw that broke the camels back was the abomination that happened to WvW when HoT dropped. My original post was directed at the OP and his theory about how the new BL’s didn’t get a good run. They had 6 month … that in my mind is more then enough time to distinguish that players had zero interest in playing them, we don’t need a tournament to see that.

Some of the changes that they had made to the desert bls had helped improve them, and I would have liked to have seen them continue in that direction with them. The fact that it took them almost the entire 6 months to even address trying to improve them is what hurt…..too little too late.

I would also like to see some sort of bl rotation……I think that might have a good possibility of working well, if they would continue to actively improve the desert bls.(I don’t have a great deal of faith in that)

But, that being said, I don’t mind seeing the alpine bls back, as I enjoyed them a lot.
And it is obvious that a lot of other wvw players enjoyed them, too.

What always struck me as odd about the desert bls……is after so much neglect to the wvw part of this game, they felt that the bls were the priority? Always kind of scratched my head at that decision. At least bringing back the Alpine bls indicates to me that they are willing to at least admit that maybe the desert bls weren’t the wisest choice for wvw.