Guild Wars 2

Hello there,
I’ll try to be short.
After one year of playing, I still don’t get why we can’t have guild raids.
Maybe I missed the official answer on this matter in the past and I would like to have a clarification.
Why Commanders cannot set their own 30 men raids?
Don’t you think that having only 30men raids instead of a big 100 men blob that follow just one blue icon on the map will greatly reduce the zerg mentality?

Commander Tag should be visible only by people in the raid and Commanders should have their own private chat to coordinate Attacks with other Commanders.

People outside raids cannot see any commander tag, but they should also have better tools for creating their own parties of 5 people. I mean an in game and simple to use LFG tool for newcomers.

In the current state of WvW, people don’t want to make parties with unknowns because they can easily follow the commander tag and farm glory, kill and exp. Who realy needs a party?
That is wrong.
This is a mmo, we should be encouraged to create new parties and socialize.

Commanders of course should have the option to make their tag visible when they want to add pugs to join their raid, if they have free spots., for filling that spot.

I think this isn’t a very big change that requires to modify completely the WvW gameplay and it could be done in a relative short time and then tried for a month and see if it works.
My opinion is it will tone down zergs and will encourage relationship and coordination.

Share opinion

Google : Commander Squads. You’re welcome
Edit: Control T for guild raids. Same as a badge

Acordeon.7134:

Google : Commander Squads. You’re welcome
Edit: Control T for guild raids. Same as a badge

Thank for replying. Even if yours is an easy and quick answer

Of course this is not what I was suggesting\talking about and this is not what Commanders should be.

I know that we have the option to \join Commander Name, but this is not realy what a raid should be, and realy no one use this option cos there is not realy a benefit from joining a squad. You don’t even recognize your own squad members.

A Raid should be:
- 30 people splitted in 6 party of 5 people, all belongingto the same raid.

- People in your raid should be recognizable by having different Names color and dots color on the minimap

- Commaner tag should be hidden for people outside the raid, at the moment everyone can follow the same tag, whether it is in the squad or not.

-Commander should have option and tools for coordinate every single “mini” party in their raid and a private chat between Commanders could be also usefull

-Pugs should be given better option to create their own parties and enjoy the wvw scene even without a commander tag visible on the map.

EDIT: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Commander-squad-not-working/page/2#post2548606

Ok, DevonCarver Answered my doubts here.

Yeah Kolly we need a grouping system that can be used for all types of squads. Public or Private/Guild. We have zergs because there is no other way in game to group over 5 people. Can you imagine how much more dynamic WvW would be with more medium size forces hitting targets on the map?

Changes are coming….. but will they be changes the players actually want?

And will those changes arrive in time? We know that Anet is focusing on PvE. And as Devon said, commander system needs lot of resources. And those are acctually on PvE.

DevonCarver.5370:

The commander system is only the barest hint of what we would like it to be in the long term. There are a lot of things that should be better, including the visibility of squads, and we’ll make sure to not only incorporate feedback we see on the boards but also actively seek out feedback as we flesh the system out in the future.

The future should be now though…. this has been complained about for 9 months (I’ve only played for that long. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a day 1 issue). I realize things move slowly, but you’ve been here for 5 months you said? And all we have to show for it is WXP chests and a poorly implemented WXP skill system.

At some point things need to happen now instead of constantly using Blizzard’s ’SOON’tm where soon is any period from 3 months from now to never, but certainly never now..

I’m just glad to know it will be addressed.

DevonCarver.5370:

…“I’ve got a ball, perhaps you would like to bounce it.”

OH god, is this a riddle? Great, like I haven’t studied the living story enough! haha, just kidding.

My best guess is the orb of power, since that is kind of like a ball…

Deified.7520:

DevonCarver.5370:

…“I’ve got a ball, perhaps you would like to bounce it.”

OH god, is this a riddle? Great, like I haven’t studied the living story enough! haha, just kidding.

My best guess is the orb of power, since that is kind of like a ball…

I think it’s a Simpsons reference…

EDIT: Yeah, okay. I found it.

DevonCarver.5370:

Atherakhia.4086:

The future should be now though…. this has been complained about for 9 months (I’ve only played for that long. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a day 1 issue). I realize things move slowly, but you’ve been here for 5 months you said? And all we have to show for it is WXP chests and a poorly implemented WXP skill system.

At some point things need to happen now instead of constantly using Blizzard’s ’SOON’tm where soon is any period from 3 months from now to never, but certainly never now..

There are some big things we will be talking about in the next few weeks that should hopefully help you to understand what we’ve been working on. If that doesn’t satisfy you, well… “I’ve got a ball, perhaps you would like to bounce it.”

Lol Devon <3
I know you have to put up with a lot of anger, most of it overblown, and I respect how you handle it. I know you’d like to tell us more but you often can’t and I also know it’s probably considerably harder to develop WvW content than the other stuff like Living World. However, despite all of that, it’s just really frustrating being a WvW devotee for a year and having the exact same “problems” with it since beta and literally always being told the exact same thing. I haven’t logged into WvW in over a month because it’s just depressing. I had a lot more written and even more after that but I just deleted it because really, I don’t care anymore. It’s not what it promised it’d be and I’ve given it ample time to even head in that direction meanwhile pretending I’ve enjoyed it. Do whatever you want to WvW, I’ve ceased to care.

DevonCarver.5370:

Atherakhia.4086:

The future should be now though…. this has been complained about for 9 months (I’ve only played for that long. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a day 1 issue). I realize things move slowly, but you’ve been here for 5 months you said? And all we have to show for it is WXP chests and a poorly implemented WXP skill system.

At some point things need to happen now instead of constantly using Blizzard’s ’SOON’tm where soon is any period from 3 months from now to never, but certainly never now..

There are some big things we will be talking about in the next few weeks that should hopefully help you to understand what we’ve been working on. If that doesn’t satisfy you, well… “I’ve got a ball, perhaps you would like to bounce it.”

Although it’s great that Anet is finally talking to the WvW community, that comment reminded me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inePC0E_atg
And then the “big things we will be talking about in the next few weeks” will probably be new masteries and other rather worthless stuff. We’re used to being let down.

DevonCarver.5370:

The commander system is only the barest hint of what we would like it to be in the long term. There are a lot of things that should be better, including the visibility of squads, and we’ll make sure to not only incorporate feedback we see on the boards but also actively seek out feedback as we flesh the system out in the future.

I’ve been a bit of a broken record on this issue Devon, but only because it’s very frustrating to run and organize our guild without decent tools. Players will play the way they enjoy, and right now we don’t use the in-game systems because they don’t work for many of us. Many like to run smaller forces with multiple groups and simply don’t want to lead the entire zone by popping a commander pin.

Players are already running private forces, but they are doing so in a way that is frustrating, inefficient and clunky. Making seperate multiple groups, trying to run together by having each group mark the same player with a bullseye and using a 3rd party voice program to communicate is the only option. It’s quite franky a disappointing grouping system for a modern MMO.

Please allow any grouping changes to be flexible enough to be used for public or private/guild functions.

Kolly.9872:

Hello there,
I’ll try to be short.
After one year of playing, I still don’t get why we can’t have guild raids.
Maybe I missed the official answer on this matter in the past and I would like to have a clarification.
Why Commanders cannot set their own 30 men raids?
Don’t you think that having only 30men raids instead of a big 100 men blob that follow just one blue icon on the map will greatly reduce the zerg mentality?

Commander Tag should be visible only by people in the raid and Commanders should have their own private chat to coordinate Attacks with other Commanders.

People outside raids cannot see any commander tag, but they should also have better tools for creating their own parties of 5 people. I mean an in game and simple to use LFG tool for newcomers.

In the current state of WvW, people don’t want to make parties with unknowns because they can easily follow the commander tag and farm glory, kill and exp. Who realy needs a party?
That is wrong.
This is a mmo, we should be encouraged to create new parties and socialize.

Commanders of course should have the option to make their tag visible when they want to add pugs to join their raid, if they have free spots., for filling that spot.

I think this isn’t a very big change that requires to modify completely the WvW gameplay and it could be done in a relative short time and then tried for a month and see if it works.
My opinion is it will tone down zergs and will encourage relationship and coordination.

Share opinion

10 man is cutting it tight with zerging. 30man is just an lol attempt by guilds to pretend that what they are doing is organized pvp and not zerging.

What’s the point? 30 man, 100 man are all zergs favoring bad game play. It’s bad enough we have professions carrying bad players (thieves) and now we want to reward more and more zerging?

Any time you go beyond a 5man group -due to AOE limitations- you step into the zerg and mindless gaming.

XII.9401:

10 man is cutting it tight with zerging. 30man is just an lol attempt by guilds to pretend that what they are doing is organized pvp and not zerging.

What’s the point? 30 man, 100 man are all zergs favoring bad game play. It’s bad enough we have professions carrying bad players (thieves) and now we want to reward more and more zerging?

Any time you go beyond a 5man group -due to AOE limitations- you step into the zerg and mindless gaming.

Shut up Meg.

A commander tool I’d like to see would be a countermeasure against spys on the server.
There currently is no way to stop a spy on your own server from broadcasting to who-ever your servers movements and team chat.

If a commander could elect to turn off the map and team chat of a single person on their own server while they had the commander label this would be an effective countermeasure.

We need the ability to act agains the spys.

Atherakhia.4086:

DevonCarver.5370:

The commander system is only the barest hint of what we would like it to be in the long term. There are a lot of things that should be better, including the visibility of squads, and we’ll make sure to not only incorporate feedback we see on the boards but also actively seek out feedback as we flesh the system out in the future.

The future should be now though…. this has been complained about for 9 months (I’ve only played for that long. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a day 1 issue). I realize things move slowly, but you’ve been here for 5 months you said? And all we have to show for it is WXP chests and a poorly implemented WXP skill system.

At some point things need to happen now instead of constantly using Blizzard’s ’SOON’tm where soon is any period from 3 months from now to never, but certainly never now..

I support this 100%. I’m in a 40+ players guild who think the same.

Troop.1369:

Atherakhia.4086:

DevonCarver.5370:

The commander system is only the barest hint of what we would like it to be in the long term. There are a lot of things that should be better, including the visibility of squads, and we’ll make sure to not only incorporate feedback we see on the boards but also actively seek out feedback as we flesh the system out in the future.

The future should be now though…. this has been complained about for 9 months (I’ve only played for that long. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a day 1 issue). I realize things move slowly, but you’ve been here for 5 months you said? And all we have to show for it is WXP chests and a poorly implemented WXP skill system.

At some point things need to happen now instead of constantly using Blizzard’s ’SOON’tm where soon is any period from 3 months from now to never, but certainly never now..

I support this 100%. I’m in a 40+ players guild who think the same.

Its not just your 40+ player guild but the 3.2 million GW2 player base that agrees.

The only time blizzard will ever get to see my money will be Warcraft 4. Which we know wont happen until 2016.

Fuzzion.2504:

Its not just your 40+ player guild but the 3.2 million GW2 player base that agrees.

I don’t know anyone who is against having a grouping system that can be used for public squads and private / guild squads. Give us flexible tools and let the players and guilds decide what works best for them.

Ahmrill.7512:

Fuzzion.2504:

Its not just your 40+ player guild but the 3.2 million GW2 player base that agrees.

I don’t know anyone who is against having a grouping system that can be used for public squads and private / guild squads. Give us flexible tools and let the players and guilds decide what works best for them.

I’m pretty sure “what works best for them” will be the theoretical system that they thought up after seeing some perceived design flaw in the “flexible tools” that these guys created for us. Some folks (not necessarily anyone here) will never be happy, or if they do find happiness, they won’t comment on it. There are those who will always complain.

Personally, I’m willing to give the WvW krewe the benefit of the doubt. Remember, they’ve probably invested more time in this than you have, and as passionate as you may be about the state of WvW, these guys know it far more intimately.

They’re probably frustrated by the inability to talk about features currently in development, but that’s unlikely to be the only source here. I do some minor database programming at work (on a ~15-year-old database), and if they’re anything like me, they’re also frustrated by the current state of things. When a project is built and used at length, the flaws become far more obvious, and nobody sees them more clearly (or painfully) than the programmer. But with an established system like this, there is a framework in place that must be considered, and radical changes have to come slowly, painstakingly, and with exhaustively testing.

The more radical the change, the more likely it is to shatter systems— not just the system targeted by the change, but other systems whose connections to the target are sometimes neither immediately visible nor logically advisable. Something that seemed like a great idea at the time (“We can cut data transmission by half if we reuse this variable!”) may cause no end of trouble later (“Where in the world is this value coming from?!”), and can take longer to troubleshoot than you would think (“Why in the world are we using that variable? It’s completely unrelated!”). This is especially true if other changes have been made in the interim (“We don’t have to use this variable for its original purpose now that we’ve added this other system, but we’ll leave it in for now because who knows where else it might be referenced…”).

TL;DR: I can totally understand why it would take more than 5 months to implement bigger changes than the WXP system.

RoyHarmon.5398:

Personally, I’m willing to give the WvW krewe the benefit of the doubt. Remember, they’ve probably invested more time in this than you have, and as passionate as you may be about the state of WvW, these guys know it far more intimately.

I guess I’m a little disappointed that some of these things were not in at launch. GW2 did so many things right but seem to ignore basic group functions in WvW. Stuff I thought they would address soon after launch is still unchanged almost a year later.

How can the complete lack of UI group functions have gone on this long? Social grouping in a modern MMO should be easy….. it’s nothing but frustrating atm.

Ahmrill.7512:

RoyHarmon.5398:

Personally, I’m willing to give the WvW krewe the benefit of the doubt. Remember, they’ve probably invested more time in this than you have, and as passionate as you may be about the state of WvW, these guys know it far more intimately.

I guess I’m a little disappointed that some of these things were not in at launch. GW2 did so many things right but seem to ignore basic group functions in WvW. Stuff I thought they would address soon after launch is still unchanged almost a year later.

How can the complete lack of UI group functions have gone on this long? Social grouping in a modern MMO should be easy….. it’s nothing but frustrating atm.

Its not like every other recent game has had a functioning squad style system on release. They really are inventing something totally new and original here so it takes time… lol

Niim.9260:

Its not like every other recent game has had a functioning squad style system on release. They really are inventing something totally new and original here so it takes time… lol

Actually…. I CAN’T think of any MMO’s I’ve played in the last few years that didn’t have a functioning squad/raid system at release that worked for whatever players need.

We’re not even asking for something new and original. GW2 already has a group UI system that works in any PvE zone…. but NOT in WvW. At what point after launch does it become “to long” to fix basic functions?

When you quit and don’t come back.

Think they will have a working and flexible grouping system before the 2 year anniversary?

I am thinking late October. That is my guess.

Urrid.4593:

I am thinking late October. That is my guess.

I wish I was as optimistic as you Urrid. But after posting about this issue since BW1 it’s hard NOT to be a pessimist. When the game went live I figured they’d at least fix the group UI bugs in 3 months or so. After 3 months I figured it would never go past 6 months.

Almost a year later…. I really have no idea. I can understand revamping the commander and squad system might take some time…. but fixing the group UI to match the one they already have in any PvE zone. How could that take a year?

I am optimistic because I will make it a priority.

DevonCarver.5370:

Atherakhia.4086:

The future should be now though…. this has been complained about for 9 months (I’ve only played for that long. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a day 1 issue). I realize things move slowly, but you’ve been here for 5 months you said? And all we have to show for it is WXP chests and a poorly implemented WXP skill system.

At some point things need to happen now instead of constantly using Blizzard’s ’SOON’tm where soon is any period from 3 months from now to never, but certainly never now..

There are some big things we will be talking about in the next few weeks that should hopefully help you to understand what we’ve been working on. If that doesn’t satisfy you, well… “I’ve got a ball, perhaps you would like to bounce it.”

I got a ball you can bounce too… LoL

If the biggest thing you have is bringing back an orb buff that you took guys took away to begin with… forum rage fest….than mass exodus from game to play minesweeper -.-

Upcoming changes for Sept if we are really lucky!!!!

They are removing the Borderlands lake and adding something else. Maybe orb related.

They might bring orbs back before the end of Sept.

Two new masteries. Golem mastery and something else festive!

Urrid.4593:

Upcoming changes for Sept if we are really lucky!!!!

They are removing the Borderlands lake and adding something else. Maybe orb related.

They might bring orbs back before the end of Sept.

Two new masteries. Golem mastery and something else festive!

It comes to what players think are priorities and what dev’s think are priorities. Those things above are on the bottom of my list. A functional grouping system that meets the needs of ALL play styles is first for most players. I don’t know how the players can say this any clearer.

The C&S system and non-working group UI in WvW is the worst system I’ve seen in the last 6 years of MMO playing.

This should be the #1 priority to get changed before “new content”.

DevonCarver.5370:

we’ll make sure to not only incorporate feedback we see on the boards but also actively seek out feedback as we flesh the system out in the future.

Glad the CDI didn’t go to waste.

DevonCarver.5370:

“I’ve got a ball, perhaps you would like to bounce it.”

Can I still have your ball?

Kolly.9872:

Acordeon.7134:

Google : Commander Squads. You’re welcome
Edit: Control T for guild raids. Same as a badge

Thank for replying. Even if yours is an easy and quick answer

Of course this is not what I was suggesting\talking about and this is not what Commanders should be.

I know that we have the option to \join Commander Name, but this is not realy what a raid should be, and realy no one use this option cos there is not realy a benefit from joining a squad. You don’t even recognize your own squad members.

A Raid should be:
- 30 people splitted in 6 party of 5 people, all belongingto the same raid.

- People in your raid should be recognizable by having different Names color and dots color on the minimap

- Commaner tag should be hidden for people outside the raid, at the moment everyone can follow the same tag, whether it is in the squad or not.

-Commander should have option and tools for coordinate every single “mini” party in their raid and a private chat between Commanders could be also usefull

-Pugs should be given better option to create their own parties and enjoy the wvw scene even without a commander tag visible on the map.

Commanders should be more. Commanders should be able to command and talk to larger groups of people…

Your suggestions and many others are so needed… now.

Atherakhia.4086:

At some point things need to happen now instead of constantly using Blizzard’s ’SOON’tm where soon is any period from 3 months from now to never, but certainly never now..

Quoting this for pure truth.

Oh crap…toooo sloooooooow WvW features update…

Funny all these necro’d threads with fake promises of a year ago, proves how much they care about wvw game mode and its players ( customers? )

Offair.2563:

Funny all these necro’d threads with fake promises of a year ago, proves how much they care about wvw game mode and its players ( customers? )

There’s a reason the search function is a bit broken. Smart, don’tcha thing? ;p

FearedbytheGods.8617:

DevonCarver.5370:

we’ll make sure to not only incorporate feedback we see on the boards but also actively seek out feedback as we flesh the system out in the future.

Glad the CDI didn’t go to waste.

DevonCarver.5370:

“I’ve got a ball, perhaps you would like to bounce it.”

Can I still have your ball?

this./s They are on the ball with big wvw updates I am sure.

These dev quotes are absolutely priceless.

Flytrap.8075:

These dev quotes are absolutely priceless.

Best part is when these posts were made…..7 MONTHS ago….

The developers must be coding the matrix..

Whole systems have been built in the time frame they have made WvW changes.

maybe someday there will be a game where the mode we all love is the one and only focus of the devs.

maybe someday i will CU guys there…..

;)

DevonCarver.5370:

Atherakhia.4086:

The future should be now though…. this has been complained about for 9 months (I’ve only played for that long. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a day 1 issue). I realize things move slowly, but you’ve been here for 5 months you said? And all we have to show for it is WXP chests and a poorly implemented WXP skill system.

At some point things need to happen now instead of constantly using Blizzard’s ’SOON’tm where soon is any period from 3 months from now to never, but certainly never now..

There are some big things we will be talking about in the next few weeks that should hopefully help you to understand what we’ve been working on. If that doesn’t satisfy you, well… “I’ve got a ball, perhaps you would like to bounce it.”

Hahaha. Tears, that’s made my day. Thanks Devon.

mcarswell.3768:

maybe someday there will be a game where the mode we all love is the one and only focus of the devs.

maybe someday i will CU guys there…..

;)

I C what U did there

mcarswell.3768:

maybe someday there will be a game where the mode we all love is the one and only focus of the devs.

maybe someday i will CU guys there…..

;)

I’d also like to come. A lot.

with a quick glance at the forums, all these threads with developer responses actually make it look like they are engaged with their community.

then you look closer and realize they are as terrible and non responsive as always. good job dev(on)s, we are proud of u

meep.2601:

with a quick glance at the forums, all these threads with developer responses actually make it look like they are engaged with their community.

then you look closer and realize they are as terrible and non responsive as always.

And 6-12 months old.

DevonCarver.5370:

There are some big things we will be talking about in the next few weeks that should hopefully help you to understand what we’ve been working on. If that doesn’t satisfy you, well… “I’ve got a ball, perhaps you would like to bounce it.”

From 8 months ago. That ball bounced onto a freeway, got hit by a semi truck and fell into a gully. It was covered in dirt and dug up 2000 years from now by the survivors of the human race. And just like those survivors looking at the remains of the ball, WvW players also have no idea what they are expecting to see.

That 2000 year old ball would have a better chance to get fixed…

Comedy Gold, I’m glad someone dug this Gem up. If there was ever any doubt about how little they care or the lack of attention given to WvW vs. every other aspect of the game this post from Devon should put that to rest.