I was thinking about the queue priority. As an almost pure WvW player I am punished atm, because the queues are insanely long. The PvE achievment hunters are basicly blocking my preffered game mode that defines GW2 for me, while they just wanna gather more achievments (of what they have already very much).
So I was thinking (quite egoisticly) about a solution for that until the new Edge of the mists map hits release. Why not order WvW queue priority after the players game priorities? Basicly a player that plays 100% of his time WvW will get a high priority. Players who usually play PvE and are just for the achievments here will have the lowest priority. What this basicly does is that it gives me my game mode back, while the PvE hunters won’t get in WvW, but that won’t be such a big deal for them.
The only thing I am concerned here is what will happen with the players who mix it up and, for example, play PvP, PvE and WvW equally. Because now the WvW players might block their spot. However, they would have other game modes to fall back on, and if the queue priotity is not lineary correlated with WvW game time, it might still work.
You are only screwed, if you want to change your priorities and wanna transition from PvE to WvW… however, the system that we have now is punishing WvW players the worst and will lead for me to quit the game, when I am forced to wait 2 hours in PvE, just to enter a WvW map until the next disconnect occurs.
I would pay for queue priority at this point. Alternative is to quit.
OK well..
1.) How do we establish the difference between a WvW player and a PvE player?
2.) What is stopping a PvE player from masquerading as a WvW player to get priority?
3.) How exactly is this system going to encourage new players to get involved in WvW?
I would pay for queue priority at this point. Alternative is to quit.
we need separate servers. pve only, wvw only, and a few mixed. but until such a day, if your guild needs a home without any wait time, northern shiverpeaks would love some more wvw only players.
I absolutely love (hate) how I have been trying to interest the ex guild where I was an officer of, in WvW, to find that they were not interested whatsoever. Suddenly I see those very people in WvW thanks to the added seasonal achievement point farming.
I will slap anyone who comes with the bullfish excuse of suddenly getting interested in WvW exactly when the achievements arrived.
We need to add queues on PvE too. So, if a map like the one where Tequatl (Or any other dragon or popular event) is in, is full, the PvE players will be forced to wait in LA to get through a queue in order to participate. Why make queue for WvW and not a queue for any other part of GW2? Make the overflow an empty queue map and you will see the PvEers fill the forums with rage.
With the queue being added to PvE, the PvE players will think twice before moving over to WvW just for achievement points farming.
(I am a tad irritated tonight, so don’t take my posts super seriously.)
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OK well..
1.) How do we establish the difference between a WvW player and a PvE player?
2.) What is stopping a PvE player from masquerading as a WvW player to get priority?
3.) How exactly is this system going to encourage new players to get involved in WvW?
1st: That’s an easy one. The game could simply record the time a player spends in PvE and WvW. Spawn and Cities are excluded from this. Maybe it could also count how many events are done in PvE and WvW. It then calculates how much percentage of your time you spend doing what. Some1 like me would get almost 100% WvW time. A PvE achievment hunter might get like 90% PvE time and 10% WvW time (just an example), giving him a low WvW queue priority.
2nd: You have to actually spend time playing WvW. Each time you spend playing PvE it lowers your percentage of WvW time.
3rd: It simply doesn’t. That’s not the aim. The aim is to give the WvW players their game mode back. I already admited the problem with players, who want to transition from PvE to WvW. But a completely new player, who didn’t spend time in any game mode, would have an equal percentage of PvE, PvP and WvW time by default. Please note that the whole queue problem should be solved with the Edge of the Mist map. Until then this system could help to get the WvW dedicated players back into WvW.
OK well..
1.) How do we establish the difference between a WvW player and a PvE player?
2.) What is stopping a PvE player from masquerading as a WvW player to get priority?
3.) How exactly is this system going to encourage new players to get involved in WvW?
1) Any thing that involves the player to have spent time in WvW. World rank? Achievements? total time spent in WvW. I bet anet could dig up approximate figures on this.
2) Redundant due to answer 1. Said PvE player would have had to spend enough time in WvW to out rank WvW players. At that point the person would be considered a WvW player.
3) For high population server, it wouldn’t. But to be frank we aren’t looking to gain new players in masses. The servers and time zones that need and want new players probably won’t be effected by queues like T1 (or high population servers) thus rank priority would not effect them as much.
Also it may be another system to try and force players to lower population servers. If you want to WvW and not only are queues bad but your low ranked, you might be more inclined to move to a different server.
I’m not saying I’m all for this but if this way to be implemented, this is how i would see it.
Just add 3 different ques
All of the ranks would be based across all of your characters (account bound)
WvW Rank 200+ 1st priority
WvW Rank 50+ Receives 2nd priority
WvW Rank 50- Has no priority
I have played WvW from day one, I would not pay for priority Que’ing. You have the option to transfer if your unhappy with your serves situation. Help fix the population imbalance issues, there is more serves without Ques then there is with Ques.
I was thinking about the queue priority. As an almost pure WvW player I am punished atm, because the queues are insanely long. The PvE achievment hunters are basicly blocking my preffered game mode that defines GW2 for me, while they just wanna gather more achievments (of what they have already very much).
So I was thinking (quite egoisticly) about a solution for that until the new Edge of the mists map hits release. Why not order WvW queue priority after the players game priorities? Basicly a player that plays 100% of his time WvW will get a high priority. Players who usually play PvE and are just for the achievments here will have the lowest priority. What this basicly does is that it gives me my game mode back, while the PvE hunters won’t get in WvW, but that won’t be such a big deal for them.
The only thing I am concerned here is what will happen with the players who mix it up and, for example, play PvP, PvE and WvW equally. Because now the WvW players might block their spot. However, they would have other game modes to fall back on, and if the queue priotity is not lineary correlated with WvW game time, it might still work.
You are only screwed, if you want to change your priorities and wanna transition from PvE to WvW… however, the system that we have now is punishing WvW players the worst and will lead for me to quit the game, when I am forced to wait 2 hours in PvE, just to enter a WvW map until the next disconnect occurs.
I dont think its a good idea to have a queue priority, however, if there was one I would like it to be as follows:
All original server inahbitants 1st, regardless of their gaming focus.
All transfers 2nd.
Transfers should be given further priority within themselves from the oldest to the newest, so that those that have transferred most recently get to go in the last.
Awful idea. How would you like it if every time you tried to sell on the TP you got the infamous “Error trying to sell” because players who play the TP get priority so they never have to see that error.
How are you ever supposed to attract new players with a system like yours?
There are zero queues in the lower tier server (NA) servers. After innumerable warnings that this would happen, bandwagoners and stackers are, at this point, simply getting what they deserve.
OK well..
1.) How do we establish the difference between a WvW player and a PvE player?
2.) What is stopping a PvE player from masquerading as a WvW player to get priority?
3.) How exactly is this system going to encourage new players to get involved in WvW?1st: That’s an easy one. The game could simply record the time a player spends in PvE and WvW. Spawn and Cities are excluded from this. Maybe it could also count how many events are done in PvE and WvW. It then calculates how much percentage of your time you spend doing what. Some1 like me would get almost 100% WvW time. A PvE achievment hunter might get like 90% PvE time and 10% WvW time (just an example), giving him a low WvW queue priority.
2nd: You have to actually spend time playing WvW. Each time you spend playing PvE it lowers your percentage of WvW time.
3rd: It simply doesn’t. That’s not the aim. The aim is to give the WvW players their game mode back. I already admited the problem with players, who want to transition from PvE to WvW. But a completely new player, who didn’t spend time in any game mode, would have an equal percentage of PvE, PvP and WvW time by default. Please note that the whole queue problem should be solved with the Edge of the Mist map. Until then this system could help to get the WvW dedicated players back into WvW.
Why would anyone who has been doing WvW want to all of a sudden have to play in the test server. The test server is not WvW, has no bearing on WvW at all.
I’ll log out before playing on the test server.
I have played WvW from day one, I would not pay for priority Que’ing. You have the option to transfer if your unhappy with your serves situation. Help fix the population imbalance issues, there is more serves without Ques then there is with Ques.
And the server you joined originally was the server your real friends joined in the start, so will you move out of that server alone, or pay for your entire family to switch just to “deal with it”, as many other people have told others to do? It becomes problematic when not all want to transfer with you and you really enjoy to play with them, which can be the main reason that many people stay in the servers even though they experience the long queue times.
The issue is that the Q (queueueueueuue) is causing problems even on lower tier servers such as some silver league servers, and telling people to simply transfer is not a way to handle the issue. That is like ducking your head in the sand to avoid the problem.
1st: That’s an easy one. The game could simply record the time a player spends in PvE and WvW. Spawn and Cities are excluded from this. Maybe it could also count how many events are done in PvE and WvW. It then calculates how much percentage of your time you spend doing what. Some1 like me would get almost 100% WvW time. A PvE achievment hunter might get like 90% PvE time and 10% WvW time (just an example), giving him a low WvW queue priority.
2nd: You have to actually spend time playing WvW. Each time you spend playing PvE it lowers your percentage of WvW time.
3rd: It simply doesn’t. That’s not the aim. The aim is to give the WvW players their game mode back. I already admited the problem with players, who want to transition from PvE to WvW. But a completely new player, who didn’t spend time in any game mode, would have an equal percentage of PvE, PvP and WvW time by default. Please note that the whole queue problem should be solved with the Edge of the Mist map. Until then this system could help to get the WvW dedicated players back into WvW.
1.) That would result in players who want to WvW get discouraged from playing PvE. Why would Anet want to do that? People would then start to track the time spent per activity, which isn’t really the spirit of the game.
2.) Same as above
3.) I understand that’s the aim of queue priority but that interferes with the WvW game mode. WvW isn’t exclusive to a certain number of players.
I have played WvW from day one, I would not pay for priority Que’ing. You have the option to transfer if your unhappy with your serves situation. Help fix the population imbalance issues, there is more serves without Ques then there is with Ques.
And the server you joined originally was the server your real friends joined in the start, so will you move out of that server alone, or pay for your entire family to switch just to “deal with it”, as many other people have told others to do? It becomes problematic when not all want to transfer with you and you really enjoy to play with them, which can be the main reason that many people stay in the servers even though they experience the long queue times.
The issue is that the Q (queueueueueuue) is causing problems even on lower tier servers such as some silver league servers, and telling people to simply transfer is not a way to handle the issue. That is like ducking your head in the sand to avoid the problem.
If I was that unhappy yes I would transfer, let me point something out to you that may or may not sting a little but is the reality … Your time is not more important than anyone else’s. That my friend is the bottom line.
OK well..
1.) How do we establish the difference between a WvW player and a PvE player?
2.) What is stopping a PvE player from masquerading as a WvW player to get priority?
3.) How exactly is this system going to encourage new players to get involved in WvW?1) Any thing that involves the player to have spent time in WvW. World rank? Achievements? total time spent in WvW. I bet anet could dig up approximate figures on this.
2) Redundant due to answer 1. Said PvE player would have had to spend enough time in WvW to out rank WvW players. At that point the person would be considered a WvW player.
3) For high population server, it wouldn’t. But to be frank we aren’t looking to gain new players in masses. The servers and time zones that need and want new players probably won’t be effected by queues like T1 (or high population servers) thus rank priority would not effect them as much.Also it may be another system to try and force players to lower population servers. If you want to WvW and not only are queues bad but your low ranked, you might be more inclined to move to a different server.
I’m not saying I’m all for this but if this way to be implemented, this is how i would see it.
1.) That will create a perpetual problem. “I want to WvW to gain ranks/AP so that I get higher queue priority..but I can’t even get in because other people who are ahead in ranks/AP are gaining it at a faster pace!”
2.) Same as above. A fresh PvE player will never outrank a seasoned WvW player since he’ll be stuck in queue.
3.) You cannot think with that mentality, especially when you consider Anet’s perspective. It’s bad business and common sense to discourage new players.
actually server stacking and imbalance are the real issue. people refuse to spread out. there are nearly empty servers and there are ones where nobody can even get in. the only true solution is spread the kitten out people.
transfer costs should be based on wvw rank though, although not without limitation. the first 100 people each month to transfer to a server should get a discount based on rank.
example first 100 people per month get discounted price of:
1800 – 100*(server rank – 6)
Jade Quarry – 2300 gems
Isle of Janthir – 1000 gems
Anvil Rock – 0 gems
The 100 limit is to prevent massively stacking a low tier server and messing up balance even more.
1st: That’s an easy one. The game could simply record the time a player spends in PvE and WvW. Spawn and Cities are excluded from this. Maybe it could also count how many events are done in PvE and WvW. It then calculates how much percentage of your time you spend doing what. Some1 like me would get almost 100% WvW time. A PvE achievment hunter might get like 90% PvE time and 10% WvW time (just an example), giving him a low WvW queue priority.
2nd: You have to actually spend time playing WvW. Each time you spend playing PvE it lowers your percentage of WvW time.
3rd: It simply doesn’t. That’s not the aim. The aim is to give the WvW players their game mode back. I already admited the problem with players, who want to transition from PvE to WvW. But a completely new player, who didn’t spend time in any game mode, would have an equal percentage of PvE, PvP and WvW time by default. Please note that the whole queue problem should be solved with the Edge of the Mist map. Until then this system could help to get the WvW dedicated players back into WvW.1.) That would result in players who want to WvW get discouraged from playing PvE. Why would Anet want to do that? People would then start to track the time spent per activity, which isn’t really the spirit of the game.
2.) Same as above
3.) I understand that’s the aim of queue priority but that interferes with the WvW game mode. WvW isn’t exclusive to a certain number of players.
The thing is right now I simply can’t play the game. As many others of my guild. You guys speek of encouraging and discouraging. You simply speak of a luxary, when the basics are not even down.
There are many ways how to track WvW activity. Why shouldn’t a player, who is dedicated to WvW, be able to play that game mode? A PvE achievment hunter just simply queues for WvW while he can play the other game mode (PvE) he enjoys. Me as a exclusive WvW player, I can not enjoy the game. It’s as simple as that.
It is not about making it exclusive. If designed right a not so much WvW dedicated player can enter WvW eventually, after he has done his PvE. You could implement a counter while queuing. Meaning the game will, after you queued for WvW, temporarily lower your PvE percentage over time in the statisitcs, so your WvW priority rises. After you have entered WvW, the statistics are back to the normal game time destribution.
That would simply give PvE players a longer queue.
After the new map has been introduced, the queue priority could still exist, so bringing PvE players to the new map. While the WvW dedicated players can enjoy what they like about the game. A now transitioning player from PvE to WvW can spend his time in the overflow map, until he reaches a high priority to be queued with a high priority for the real WvW maps.
OK well..
1.) How do we establish the difference between a WvW player and a PvE player?
2.) What is stopping a PvE player from masquerading as a WvW player to get priority?
3.) How exactly is this system going to encourage new players to get involved in WvW?1) Any thing that involves the player to have spent time in WvW. World rank? Achievements? total time spent in WvW. I bet anet could dig up approximate figures on this.
2) Redundant due to answer 1. Said PvE player would have had to spend enough time in WvW to out rank WvW players. At that point the person would be considered a WvW player.
3) For high population server, it wouldn’t. But to be frank we aren’t looking to gain new players in masses. The servers and time zones that need and want new players probably won’t be effected by queues like T1 (or high population servers) thus rank priority would not effect them as much.Also it may be another system to try and force players to lower population servers. If you want to WvW and not only are queues bad but your low ranked, you might be more inclined to move to a different server.
I’m not saying I’m all for this but if this way to be implemented, this is how i would see it.
1.) That will create a perpetual problem. “I want to WvW to gain ranks/AP so that I get higher queue priority..but I can’t even get in because other people who are ahead in ranks/AP are gaining it at a faster pace!”
2.) Same as above. A fresh PvE player will never outrank a seasoned WvW player since he’ll be stuck in queue.
3.) You cannot think with that mentality, especially when you consider Anet’s perspective. It’s bad business and common sense to discourage new players.
1)Thats not the point. How do you measure priority? It has to be something that you can only do in WvW and WXP is a measurement that does just that. What else could you use to measure time and placement in WvW other than rank. Regardless if its wanted people farm it.
2) Is that not the point of this post?
3) Based off other complaint posts regarding gear grinds (ascended), WXP not account bound, not alt friendly, gear dependent game play, zerging. This game discourages players that are new and want to be competitive.
I would pay for queue priority at this point. Alternative is to quit.
Well you guys could always move to a lower tier server if you don’t like the queues. I know my server barely ever has queues.
1st: That’s an easy one. The game could simply record the time a player spends in PvE and WvW. Spawn and Cities are excluded from this. Maybe it could also count how many events are done in PvE and WvW. It then calculates how much percentage of your time you spend doing what. Some1 like me would get almost 100% WvW time. A PvE achievment hunter might get like 90% PvE time and 10% WvW time (just an example), giving him a low WvW queue priority.
2nd: You have to actually spend time playing WvW. Each time you spend playing PvE it lowers your percentage of WvW time.
3rd: It simply doesn’t. That’s not the aim. The aim is to give the WvW players their game mode back. I already admited the problem with players, who want to transition from PvE to WvW. But a completely new player, who didn’t spend time in any game mode, would have an equal percentage of PvE, PvP and WvW time by default. Please note that the whole queue problem should be solved with the Edge of the Mist map. Until then this system could help to get the WvW dedicated players back into WvW.1.) That would result in players who want to WvW get discouraged from playing PvE. Why would Anet want to do that? People would then start to track the time spent per activity, which isn’t really the spirit of the game.
2.) Same as above
3.) I understand that’s the aim of queue priority but that interferes with the WvW game mode. WvW isn’t exclusive to a certain number of players.The thing is right now I simply can’t play the game. As many others of my guild. You guys speek of encouraging and discouraging. You simply speak of a luxary, when the basics are not even down.
There are many ways how to track WvW activity. Why shouldn’t a player, who is dedicated to WvW, be able to play that game mode? A PvE achievment hunter just simply queues for WvW while he can play the other game mode (PvE) he enjoys. Me as a exclusive WvW player, I can not enjoy the game. It’s as simple as that.
It is not about making it exclusive. If designed right a not so much WvW dedicated player can enter WvW eventually, after he has done his PvE. You could implement a counter while queuing. Meaning the game will, after you queued for WvW, temporarily lower your PvE percentage over time in the statisitcs, so your WvW priority rises. After you have entered WvW, the statistics are back to the normal game time destribution.
That would simply give PvE players a longer queue.
After the new map has been introduced, the queue priority could still exist, so bringing PvE players to the new map. While the WvW dedicated players can enjoy what they like about the game. A now transitioning player from PvE to WvW can spend his time in the overflow map, until he reaches a high priority to be queued with a high priority for the real WvW maps.
So what about the brand new player that just went out and purchased the game after the free weekend for the sole purpose of playing WvW. Your argument is flawed, as I said a couple posts up, your time is no more important than anyone else’s time … the option to transfer is there.
Silver league has massive queues?
I have played WvW from day one, I would not pay for priority Que’ing. You have the option to transfer if your unhappy with your serves situation. Help fix the population imbalance issues, there is more serves without Ques then there is with Ques.
I’m not sure I understand your argument here. First you say you would not pay for queue priority, under the assumption this would be the case if it was even an option (we both know it never will be) and then suggest I transfer. Last time I looked transferring costs money as well.
I started on JQ could not play with my guild and we transferred to SOR when it was ranked 7th almost a year ago. In fact, I was one of the first of several people/guilds to scout SOR.
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1st: That’s an easy one. The game could simply record the time a player spends in PvE and WvW. Spawn and Cities are excluded from this. Maybe it could also count how many events are done in PvE and WvW. It then calculates how much percentage of your time you spend doing what. Some1 like me would get almost 100% WvW time. A PvE achievment hunter might get like 90% PvE time and 10% WvW time (just an example), giving him a low WvW queue priority.
2nd: You have to actually spend time playing WvW. Each time you spend playing PvE it lowers your percentage of WvW time.
3rd: It simply doesn’t. That’s not the aim. The aim is to give the WvW players their game mode back. I already admited the problem with players, who want to transition from PvE to WvW. But a completely new player, who didn’t spend time in any game mode, would have an equal percentage of PvE, PvP and WvW time by default. Please note that the whole queue problem should be solved with the Edge of the Mist map. Until then this system could help to get the WvW dedicated players back into WvW.1.) That would result in players who want to WvW get discouraged from playing PvE. Why would Anet want to do that? People would then start to track the time spent per activity, which isn’t really the spirit of the game.
2.) Same as above
3.) I understand that’s the aim of queue priority but that interferes with the WvW game mode. WvW isn’t exclusive to a certain number of players.The thing is right now I simply can’t play the game. As many others of my guild. You guys speek of encouraging and discouraging. You simply speak of a luxary, when the basics are not even down.
There are many ways how to track WvW activity. Why shouldn’t a player, who is dedicated to WvW, be able to play that game mode? A PvE achievment hunter just simply queues for WvW while he can play the other game mode (PvE) he enjoys. Me as a exclusive WvW player, I can not enjoy the game. It’s as simple as that.
It is not about making it exclusive. If designed right a not so much WvW dedicated player can enter WvW eventually, after he has done his PvE. You could implement a counter while queuing. Meaning the game will, after you queued for WvW, temporarily lower your PvE percentage over time in the statisitcs, so your WvW priority rises. After you have entered WvW, the statistics are back to the normal game time destribution.
That would simply give PvE players a longer queue.
After the new map has been introduced, the queue priority could still exist, so bringing PvE players to the new map. While the WvW dedicated players can enjoy what they like about the game. A now transitioning player from PvE to WvW can spend his time in the overflow map, until he reaches a high priority to be queued with a high priority for the real WvW maps.
So what about the brand new player that just went out and purchased the game after the free weekend for the sole purpose of playing WvW. Your argument is flawed, as I said a couple posts up, your time is no more important than anyone else’s time … the option to transfer is there.
I have answered that already before you even mentioned it. The new player will have an equal distribution between PvE and WvW. Making it more likely for him to join WvW as the PvE achievment hunters. I was at FoW. There was no queues but WvW was boring as hell. I thought moving to a mid tier server woul be a good compromise. Apperently it is not, cuz I can not get into WvW here, since the season started. Why do you think that is?
I would pay for queue priority at this point. Alternative is to quit.
Well you guys could always move to a lower tier server if you don’t like the queues. I know my server barely ever has queues.
This is not a solution it just burns a hole in my pocket. See my response above to the other comment about transferring.
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So if you and me pay the same price for same service, in this case Guild Wars 2 game, why should you get preferential treatment?
Sounds like you are a bit too full of yourself. Everyone else in the game has paid same amount of money for it and deserves equal opportunity to play the content so suck it up and queue like everyone else does.
I have played WvW from day one, I would not pay for priority Que’ing. You have the option to transfer if your unhappy with your serves situation. Help fix the population imbalance issues, there is more serves without Ques then there is with Ques.
I’m not sure I understand your argument here. First you say you would not pay for queue priority, under the assumption this would be the case if it was even an option (we both know it never will be) and then suggest I transfer. Last time I looked transferring costs money as well.
I started on JQ could not play with my guild and we transferred to SOR when it was ranked 7th almost a year ago. In fact, I was one of the first of several people/guilds to scout SOR.
Its not really that hard to understand. It has nothing to due with cost, its more the fact that there are way to many self righteous people who think they should come before anyone else, reality check … you shouldn’t. Feel this way if you like but your just another guy that paid for a game to play like the other however many people that play this game, the world will not change if they get into WvW before you. I know its a hard pill to swallow but, your no more of a delicate snowflake then anyone else regardless of what your family may have told you.
why not boot the inactive players in spawn? why not boot the inactives who set their keyboard to run into the wall continuously so they tricked the system into thinking they are still playing? have these people get back into the ques to play when they are finally at their computer.
I would pay for queue priority at this point. Alternative is to quit.
Well you guys could always move to a lower tier server if you don’t like the queues. I know my server barely ever has queues.
Exactly! It’s always funny seeing T1 people complaining about queues.
Take your guild and go to a lower tier server. At the end of the day, you have to decide if buying guilds was worth it. If it was, stay and enjoy the queues. If you want to play, move servers.
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So if you and me pay the same price for same service, in this case Guild Wars 2 game, why should you get preferential treatment?
Sounds like you are a bit too full of yourself. Everyone else in the game has paid same amount of money for it and deserves equal opportunity to play the content so suck it up and queue like everyone else does.
Then I want to be able to play the mode, that I bought the game for. And this is WvW. Discussing possible solutions constructivly is one thing. But just snipping comments is another. Why should the PvE achievment hunter be able to play his favourate game mode(s), and I can not. Please, if you don’t like my idea, try smth constructive. I know the forum lacks constructive forum users. But try to be one of them.
Exactly! It’s always funny seeing T1 people complaining about queues.
Take your guild and go to a lower tier server. At the end of the day, you have to decide if buying guilds was worth it. If it was, stay and enjoy the queues. If you want to play, move servers.
i think you may have mistakenly jumped to wrong conclusion. the person complaining about queues on this thread or started this thread isn’t in T1.
I have played WvW from day one, I would not pay for priority Que’ing. You have the option to transfer if your unhappy with your serves situation. Help fix the population imbalance issues, there is more serves without Ques then there is with Ques.
I’m not sure I understand your argument here. First you say you would not pay for queue priority, under the assumption this would be the case if it was even an option (we both know it never will be) and then suggest I transfer. Last time I looked transferring costs money as well.
I started on JQ could not play with my guild and we transferred to SOR when it was ranked 7th almost a year ago. In fact, I was one of the first of several people/guilds to scout SOR.
Its not really that hard to understand. It has nothing to due with cost, its more the fact that there are way to many self righteous people who think they should come before anyone else, reality check … you shouldn’t. Feel this way if you like but your just another guy that paid for a game to play like the other however many people that play this game, the world will not change if they get into WvW before you. I know its a hard pill to swallow but, your no more of a delicate snowflake then anyone else regardless of what your family may have told you.
So I suggest I would pay for a service, and you translate that into I’m self righteous and think I am better than anyone else?
How does insulting someone on the internet make you feel? Better I hope, can you see the irony in your post.
If you would like to discuss why paying for queue priority causes problems then by all means lets discuss. You don’t know me and there is no need for your obnoxious post.
I would pay for queue priority at this point. Alternative is to quit.
Well you guys could always move to a lower tier server if you don’t like the queues. I know my server barely ever has queues.
Exactly! It’s always funny seeing T1 people complaining about queues.
Take your guild and go to a lower tier server. At the end of the day, you have to decide if buying guilds was worth it. If it was, stay and enjoy the queues. If you want to play, move servers.
I moved once already because of this problem. To be honest, it’s not something I would do again.
P.S. I have not paid for any guild.
I moved once already because of this problem. To be honest, it’s not something I would do again.
P.S. I have not paid for any guild.
let him be. he’s just crying because his server isn’t as good in wvw.
No, everyone has just as much right to be there as you.
I have played WvW from day one, I would not pay for priority Que’ing. You have the option to transfer if your unhappy with your serves situation. Help fix the population imbalance issues, there is more serves without Ques then there is with Ques.
I’m not sure I understand your argument here. First you say you would not pay for queue priority, under the assumption this would be the case if it was even an option (we both know it never will be) and then suggest I transfer. Last time I looked transferring costs money as well.
I started on JQ could not play with my guild and we transferred to SOR when it was ranked 7th almost a year ago. In fact, I was one of the first of several people/guilds to scout SOR.
Its not really that hard to understand. It has nothing to due with cost, its more the fact that there are way to many self righteous people who think they should come before anyone else, reality check … you shouldn’t. Feel this way if you like but your just another guy that paid for a game to play like the other however many people that play this game, the world will not change if they get into WvW before you. I know its a hard pill to swallow but, your no more of a delicate snowflake then anyone else regardless of what your family may have told you.
So I suggest I would pay for a service, and you translate that into I’m self righteous and think I am better than anyone else?
How does insulting someone on the internet make you feel? Better I hope, can you see the irony in your post.
If you would like to discuss why paying for queue priority causes problems then by all means lets discuss. You don’t know me and there is no need for your obnoxious post.
Pointing out the obvious doesn’t make me feel anything, if you find what I said insulting it must have hit close to home. The problem with Que priority is, your are asking to be put before others who have been waiting patiently for their turn. Wait your turn.
Are you sure this isn’t a troll arguing with his sockpuppet? Honestly, Dese vs Nuzt? Those names can’t just be a hilarious coincidence….
Are you sure this isn’t a troll arguing with his sockpuppet? Honestly, Dese vs Nuzt? Those names can’t just be a hilarious coincidence….
Touche, but I left my sock puppet at home today, he prefers evening troll wars.
OK well..
1.) How do we establish the difference between a WvW player and a PvE player?
2.) What is stopping a PvE player from masquerading as a WvW player to get priority?
3.) How exactly is this system going to encourage new players to get involved in WvW?1st: That’s an easy one. The game could simply record the time a player spends in PvE and WvW. Spawn and Cities are excluded from this. Maybe it could also count how many events are done in PvE and WvW. It then calculates how much percentage of your time you spend doing what. Some1 like me would get almost 100% WvW time. A PvE achievment hunter might get like 90% PvE time and 10% WvW time (just an example), giving him a low WvW queue priority.
2nd: You have to actually spend time playing WvW. Each time you spend playing PvE it lowers your percentage of WvW time.
3rd: It simply doesn’t. That’s not the aim. The aim is to give the WvW players their game mode back. I already admited the problem with players, who want to transition from PvE to WvW. But a completely new player, who didn’t spend time in any game mode, would have an equal percentage of PvE, PvP and WvW time by default. Please note that the whole queue problem should be solved with the Edge of the Mist map. Until then this system could help to get the WvW dedicated players back into WvW.
Not going to work.
If you are anywhere waiting for WvW you are in PvE and so you are going to tick up PvE time until eventually is more PvE time than WvW and you would be complaining again.
And additionally you can’t be functional as a lvl 1 player, so all your time is in some form of PVE until someone has enough skills and exp to be functioning in WvW (estimated lvl 30) – otherwise you would be complaining about upscaled players.
The aim should be getting more active players in. If you don’t then your beloved WvW will die from attrition and boredom.
Just let the people play the game the way they want to play, and you play how you want to play. It’s not that difficult. Quit thinking you are so important and exclusive that you deserve a spot more than the person standing next to you.
This entitled attitude is ridiculous. If someone queues before you, they have priority. That is the queue priority. Don’t like it you have some options:
1. Change to a server who has no queue. Those of you willing to spend money to screw other players, instead use it to help other players and go to a server who could use you.
2. Wait it out and work on other achievements, story missions, farm supplies to sell on trade broker, etc. Just be functional in some aspect. WvW is only part of the game, not the sole existence.
3. Quit. Fewer people trying to queue makes it better for every one else.
4. Queue earlier/different time. Rearrange something. Play after dinner instead of before, or go to bed earlier and play in the morning before work/school/your day time soaps.
There has always been achievements in WvW. Always! Just because ANet made them part of the living story is not that drastic a change. They have always been part of the dailies in some degree too. You have the same type of people as before. Learn to embrace them. They could be your saving grace once they learn how to do it.
And finally, get over yourselves. You are not making the game, nor will your leaving break the game. The game will continue on. You can choose, but whining and moaning about how you have to queue up now isn’t going to change a thing.
This entitled attitude is ridiculous. If someone queues before you, they have priority. That is the queue priority.
This isn’t true and please don’t believe it. The queue is closer to a lotto roll plus the issue with the queue getting “bugged” or something. <- I can’t prove it bugs out side of hearsay.
Here’s a example: I logged on around 9pm server queued up. While my guild mates were talking about 2-3 hour queues and not in yet, my queue pops after 30 minutes. There is no priority in place.
And for the entitled attitude, its quite hilarious really. Any half brained player on a high populated server should have saw this coming. JQ/BG have huge PvE populations as well as WvW. Also new content like this brings back players. Ridiculous queues were expected. All the no queues stuff in recruitment threads were just selling points to get guilds to fill coverage gaps, while it wasn’t a lie at the time, every one should have known this was going to happen.
Are you sure this isn’t a troll arguing with his sockpuppet? Honestly, Dese vs Nuzt? Those names can’t just be a hilarious coincidence….
You sir win the thread, and no it was not coordinated.
1st: That’s an easy one. The game could simply record the time a player spends in PvE and WvW. Spawn and Cities are excluded from this. Maybe it could also count how many events are done in PvE and WvW. It then calculates how much percentage of your time you spend doing what. Some1 like me would get almost 100% WvW time. A PvE achievment hunter might get like 90% PvE time and 10% WvW time (just an example), giving him a low WvW queue priority.
2nd: You have to actually spend time playing WvW. Each time you spend playing PvE it lowers your percentage of WvW time.
3rd: It simply doesn’t. That’s not the aim. The aim is to give the WvW players their game mode back. I already admited the problem with players, who want to transition from PvE to WvW. But a completely new player, who didn’t spend time in any game mode, would have an equal percentage of PvE, PvP and WvW time by default. Please note that the whole queue problem should be solved with the Edge of the Mist map. Until then this system could help to get the WvW dedicated players back into WvW.1.) That would result in players who want to WvW get discouraged from playing PvE. Why would Anet want to do that? People would then start to track the time spent per activity, which isn’t really the spirit of the game.
2.) Same as above
3.) I understand that’s the aim of queue priority but that interferes with the WvW game mode. WvW isn’t exclusive to a certain number of players.The thing is right now I simply can’t play the game. As many others of my guild. You guys speek of encouraging and discouraging. You simply speak of a luxary, when the basics are not even down.
There are many ways how to track WvW activity. Why shouldn’t a player, who is dedicated to WvW, be able to play that game mode? A PvE achievment hunter just simply queues for WvW while he can play the other game mode (PvE) he enjoys. Me as a exclusive WvW player, I can not enjoy the game. It’s as simple as that.
It is not about making it exclusive. If designed right a not so much WvW dedicated player can enter WvW eventually, after he has done his PvE. You could implement a counter while queuing. Meaning the game will, after you queued for WvW, temporarily lower your PvE percentage over time in the statisitcs, so your WvW priority rises. After you have entered WvW, the statistics are back to the normal game time destribution.
That would simply give PvE players a longer queue.
After the new map has been introduced, the queue priority could still exist, so bringing PvE players to the new map. While the WvW dedicated players can enjoy what they like about the game. A now transitioning player from PvE to WvW can spend his time in the overflow map, until he reaches a high priority to be queued with a high priority for the real WvW maps.
So what about the brand new player that just went out and purchased the game after the free weekend for the sole purpose of playing WvW. Your argument is flawed, as I said a couple posts up, your time is no more important than anyone else’s time … the option to transfer is there.
Since he is a new player and he will start with 0 WvW and 0 PVE. Does WvW once and magically he now has a higher ratio of WvW to Pve. And gets in the priority list.
Simple.
Or they could just do it in the order people Que which is much more simple. It’s been argued that Que’s don’t work as intended and maybe thats true but if they are working as intended as in first come first serve then theres no need to start figuring out ratio’s ect.
The solution to Queue’s, patience. Patience in the moment and for the future. Because last week there wasn’t much issues with Queue. Soon, there won’t be issues with Queue’s again.
GW2 players devour content rabidly. (<—- not a typo) Once done, they’ll shuffle off to the next thing.
@magicweaver.2695
I find it funny, when some1 tells me to change to a lower populated server. I came from there (FoW) and was experiencing super boring WvW. I am not overstating when I say I was one of the better players in that tier. I was roaming arround, mostly doing PvE stuff (camps, soloing towers etc.) Then occasionally I met an enemy group. Killed them and moved on. That was boring as hell.
I changed to a mid tier server in the hopes to have more action. But as soon as the season started, I couldn’t get inot WvW. Yesterday I waited 2h to go into WvW, could play for 30 min and then I went to bed. You rather want to force me playing more PvE, what I don’t enjoy at all, while there are others, that enjoy PvE, but because of their achievment hunting, they now block my favorite game mode. Just so that they can farm in WvW to get their stuff.
Also, you have not seen that I wrote later, that cities and spawns don’t count for WvW or PvE time in my suggestion, so waiting in LA for WvW would not tick up ur PvE time.
Quick judgements are typical for this forum. I am not suprized. And yes, I find it unfair, that the Achievment hunters block my game mode. As a more casual player, not having time to wait hours for the game to start for me, this situation is horrable. What did ANET promis before release? No need to wait for hours to find that Healer before you go in somehwere? Now you have to wait hours for the queue to let you play… and you are aproving this system. Good work.
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We all paid the same amount to get in the zones we wish to be in, you simply cannot give people a special treatment just because they play XX mode more often then other people, would be unfair and completely stupid to do as a game host/developer.
We all paid the same amount to play the game. Everyone enjoys the game differently. some PvE. Some WvW. Some want to grind for achievements. You are saying because you play WvW only then people who don’t play the same as you should not be given priority. If you are que’d then I can promise you other people are too. I would either transfer or just wait it out. I play in bronze league and have experienced Que’s myself (maybe not as long) but I waited it out. Sorry, but can not do much else.
This thread is rich.
All it boils down to is. I transferred to/stayed on a server that is top ranked (ie. stacked) in WvW and now I cannot play. Please give me special treatment.
You already have an option if you’re sick of WvW queues and want to play. Transfer.
If you’re willing to pay for “priority”. You’re willing to pay for a transfer.
Problem solved.
it is not a queue anymore.
IT IS A POOL
everyone paid the same amount of money for this game so please explain why you think you should be treated special again?
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