Guild Wars 2

Folks,

First of all, I posted this on the Guardian tab as well but considering so many of you all in this thread have probably fought against this type of Guardian, I figured it would also be a good spot to ask for advice. I created this Guard simply because I was so bored of my Warrior and really wanted to try a heavy melee class that was similar to my old Paladin from WoW.

I’ve been playing around with this “Legendary Guardian” build created by Nhymx from Tap Dat Mouse and would really like some thoughts from you all as to what I can do to better improve. The build in my link (and in the attachment) is based upon my current gear and somewhat limited because I can’t craft ascended armor and don’t have loads of gold available.

Legendary Guardian 3.0 Build Outline

CONCEPT-The basic idea of this build is to create a great amount of regen (more than the warrior signet), constantly apply blinds, have 4 dodge rolls every 10 seconds, almost ignore conditions, and maintain a high DPS on the target.

MY EXPERIENCE – I’ve been dueling and using this as a roaming build in WvW and I tend to get very well in 1v1 or 1v2 duels but I really struggle against being kited, LB Power Rangers, and a well geared Celestial D/D Ele.

Against LB Rangers - I keep trying to time my “Hold the Line” against Rangers but for some reason, I never am able to reflect their #2 LB ability. Perhaps a bug?

Against Celestial D/D Ele – I just don’t know how to lock them down or interrupt their healing well enough to overcome their massive amounts of regen. I can duel one almost endlessly but at some point, I just can’t maintain enough pressure to down them. I’m pretty sure this is a skill problem on my end and not from the build itself.

Against Kiting – Honestly, I’m at a loss here. Without Traveler’s Runes, I tend to feel rather slow in WvW and have been kited to death a few times by Rangers and even a Thief. Any suggestions?

OVERALL – I’m liking the build as it feels like I can go into almost any situation and be fairly effective but I’m not sure if the problems I’m having are all because of my poor skill or if there are holes in the build that I’m missing. Still, being able to do PvP, WvW, and some PvE questing with the same build/gear is a real nice bonus.

Thanks for the help!

-Lexi

Note that Tap Dat Mouse’s builds are all bad. I mean, all of them.

If you’re roaming in WvW, shout guardian is one of the worst ways to go about it. Instead, you should be using a meditation build which focuses on self sustain and high burst damage.

I personally run a 0/2/6/5/1 medi build in sPvP and WvW with full berserker gear and strength runes (can run PvE with this gear too, just replace sword with scepter). Greatsword and Sword/Focus. 0/6/6/1/1 also works well as a full burst type medi guard, but far riskier in a WvW setting.

edit: just looked more closely at your build. You’ll want to swap out sigil of mischief for hydromancy, battle or doom. Knight’s armor isn’t too bad, but swap out the runes if you’re going to roam/duel. Like I said earlier, shout guardian sucks pretty bad at the whole roaming thing. If you can’t afford Rune of Strength (they’re pretty pricey), rune of the ogre or rune of the pack work well too.

Don’t use the same build/gear between roaming and zerging in WvW. They are two completely different play styles and you need to respect that. If money is an issue, grind dungeons or PvP (whichever you prefer) for your exotic armor while you wait for your ascended trinkets with laurels

Reverence.6915:

Note that Tap Dat Mouse’s builds are all bad. I mean, all of them.

If you’re roaming in WvW, shout guardian is one of the worst ways to go about it. Instead, you should be using a meditation build which focuses on self sustain and high burst damage.

I went back and changed my build around based upon your guidance. Is this pretty much what you’re talking about: DPS Medi

I agree, Shout Builds are kitten poor for dueling/roaming, anyone can come up with a “unique” (though its really not Unique) build and kill a bunch of bads and call it great. People will watch game play and think “wow this build destroys people” when in reality a skilled player will kitten all over you.

Celestial Ele’s are currently pretty powerful, if the player knows what they are doing and with Celestial Gear they are pretty tough for ANY class to take down.

LB Power Rangers are suppose to keep you at a distance, good ones will maintain that distance, with only shouts to rely on, your not going to catch one that half knows how to play the class.

Guardians are slow, always have been, Traveler’s runes help them for roaming but without any assistance for movement speed your going to be slow, its just the way it is.

Finally, as stated above if you want to Roam/Duel then go with a Meditation build, Medi builds shine more so then any other Guardian build in this area. It will also be more effective at gap closing to catch those pesky Rangers, you more then likely will still have issues with Celestial Ele’s.

FinalPatriot.8034:

Reverence.6915:

Note that Tap Dat Mouse’s builds are all bad. I mean, all of them.

If you’re roaming in WvW, shout guardian is one of the worst ways to go about it. Instead, you should be using a meditation build which focuses on self sustain and high burst damage.

I went back and changed my build around based upon your guidance. Is this pretty much what you’re talking about: DPS Medi

I personally take Pure of Heart over Wraithful Spirit trait in Honor, but yeah that’s pretty spot on. You can also take Strength in Numbers rather than Focused Mind since you have a pretty good source of Fury already if you’re going to use Pack runes.

As someone who does pvp/wvw on guard i absolutely love shout virtue guardian. That being said for dueling you can with it but medi is better suited.

Hold the line doesn’t reflect projectiles

double 1 hander setup
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fVAQRArf8dlsApaolDxbI8DRh/Qkj1JVB4cd55HA-TJBFwA12fYxJBoaZAAPBAA

@OP take care of SY in wvw without counter to remove any condition you removed from your allies and took all of them on you

48% precision is way to much …. with 40% is just enough . same result with fury .remove some precision and add ferocity . more useful . gs hits give as weapon many criticals , you need more damage for these criticals

when i saw this build i remembered my zerg build ( 0/1/6/6/1 ) 1 1/2 years ago with gs / staff

If you can’t burst down, you will get outmaneuvered.

The guardian is good at many things, but mobility is not one of them.

Move to a build with more deeps or don’t bother roaming with a guard, its that simple.

Shout guardian is fine, meditation babies…..The biggest problem with guards and Nymhx’s build is of course mobility, but that is easily remedied with either runes of Speed or Traveler(yes they’re expensive -_-). Getting the 25% movement increase negates a lot of THAT problem and the extra cleanse from trooper runes is redundant more than anything, HTL and SYG don’t have long cooldowns. . The other problem with that build IMO is that he/you chose Knights gear over Valkyries, anything over 2600 armor is a waste I think . You need the extra vitality as a guard and the extra ferocity will help give you better “deeps” (lol can’t believe I just typed that XD.)

Looking at the tooltip, sword 3 doesn’t reflect projectiles it just destroys them, and if they’re still damaging you while using it then it must be a bug with the piercing arrows trait. Being kited is always going to be a problem for melee builds/classes, the best thing you can do other than improving mobility is to understand your surroundings, take paths that go behind walls/trees/NPCs and don’t be so bold to chase a ranged player if your’e out of cooldowns, if they wanna run away, let them because if you chase you’ll be right where they want you. The only real exception to this is a talented LB ranger who’s smart enough to keep their distance, in which case you have to remember that classes/professions in MMOs are kinda like rock-paper-scissors, meaning that there’s always a counter build to yours. Know when to fold em bud

Unless you travel in a party, traveler runes are the way to go.

Just grab the Red Guard frontline build and you’ll be fine. roll around 3300 armour, loads of hps and condi cleanse. Although frontlines are a thing of the past, it’s a build where dying doesn’t happen often.