Guild Wars 2

This isnt a fix, its just a quick and easy adjustment which will punish offpeak-points and makes sure primetime population counts something in a matchup.

6pm-12pm Primetime – PPT value 100% – full PPK
12pm-6pm Offpeak – PPT value 25% – full PPK

6pm every day: “Primetime Reset” – For equal terms in primetime – all borders and EB have their upgrade status reset and belong to their respective owner now (just like the reset we know).

To easy to be good

Collect over all EU-server over all days of the week (last 7 days) how many are playing in which hour.

Set the maximum-hour to 100%, set for every other hour the percentage of players in this hours relative to the maximum hour. In each hour multiply the score with the percentage for that hour.

Manipulation save, every player counts equally whenever she plays.

Yeah it would be more accurate – but then you have a system which can be influenced by players themselves – logging on and off, going afk or not, multiboxing etc. – leaves open a lot of holes for abuse / drama.

Steelo.4597:

Yeah it would be more accurate – but then you have a system which can be influenced by players themselves – logging on and off, going afk or not, multiboxing etc. – leaves open a lot of holes for abuse / drama.

An average over all 27 (24) server over 7 days is very imune to manipulation.
If a server stays off or doubles its presence via multiboxing a whole night the multiplier will be influenced by less of a 1%
A server does that a whole week will influence it by less than 4%.
Most likely the manipulation of different servers will nullify each other.

But they main reason for bein so accurate is:
Every person from every time-zone count equally

And if a EU (NA) player goes and a OCX comes, it adapts automatically.

The problem with your idea is that then players that have there prime time at 12.00 to 16.00 will get peneltys, better to simple give Active Points no passive tick that way if there is few online playing you will gain few Points.

Why do people still want to punish others that play outside their timezone.. Just drop the PPT attitude and enjoy your time online. Log and don’t bother to think about scores. It won’t change annyway so get over it already.

I find games more interesting, if there is a meaningful winning or loosing.

Offair.2563:

23-10-2015, the real death of WvW.

There are also several voices in the forum, saying that the death of WvW isn’t HoT (that was only the last nail, but WvW was already lying in the coffin), but that less and less people have the “PPT attitude”.

Btw.: How can someone by punished by a score-multiplier, if he doesn’t care about PPT? And how can it be punishment, to take someone the advantage he had away to make him equal?

Going by time of day is unacceptable and unfair.

Going by current WvW population compared to full capacity is much, much better and fair for all players no matter the time of day. If you can get all borders capped and queued on at least 2 sides at 03:00 GMT well then you earned 100% PPT. if you cant… see previous point about being fair.

Dayra.7405:

I find games more interesting, if there is a meaningful winning or loosing.

Offair.2563:

23-10-2015, the real death of WvW.

There are also several voices in the forum, saying that the death of WvW isn’t HoT (that was only the last nail, but WvW was already lying in the coffin), but that less and less people have the “PPT attitude”.

Btw.: How can someone by punished by a score-multiplier, if he doesn’t care about PPT? And how can it be punishment, to take someone the advantage he had away to make him equal?

No. Just drop the ppt attitude, have fun while playing so people wont have to come with redicilous proposals to cut off other people fun…

Sometimes i am very happy devs don’t read posts like these.

Offair.2563:

No. Just drop the ppt attitude, have fun while playing so people wont have to come with redicilous proposals to cut off other people fun…

No I will not drop that attitude. I will see what the overhaul will do. If it fixed it. Fine I will play more again. If not I finally stop as many others already did.

And if your fun is PvDing for points in the night (or why do you care?) for victory, I feel sorry for you

Then suck it up. But stop making kittenty proposals to make your time more valuable then another.

Offair.2563:

Then suck it up. But stop making kittenty proposals to make your time more valuable then another.

I did not made a proposal that makes my time more valuable.
I did made a proposal that makes every time equal valuable.
Whereas you seem to insist, that the value of several hundret players should be nothing compared to the value of a handful player.

Fine, you can have WvW for your handful players alone. But do not make HoT resposible for your attitude that killed WvW.

People really want the 1 or 2 extra chests for the week

Gideon.6742:

People really want the 1 or 2 extra chests for the week

Funny that you say that to me, who has a whole bunch of unclaimed boxes in the queue and not to the ones that spend a lot of nights to get them by PvD.

Steelo.4597:

This isnt a fix, its just a quick and easy adjustment which will punish offpeak-points and makes sure primetime population counts something in a matchup.

6pm-12pm Primetime – PPT value 100% – full PPK
12pm-6pm Offpeak – PPT value 25% – full PPK

6pm every day: “Primetime Reset” – For equal terms in primetime – all borders and EB have their upgrade status reset and belong to their respective owner now (just like the reset we know).

SO you are suggesting punishing players who paid the same amount for the game as you do for playing when they come home from work to relax? YIKES.

This is a 24/7 game, that means people should have players to play with and against 24/7, and be given the same quality of game play, including points, when it is convenient for them to play. People play from all time zones, different work schedules, some work days, some work nights, some work both. Players play when they have time to play sometimes you are playing at 3 am for them and YOU are the “night capper” to them. punishing players that do not play during your prime time, is not a viable solution to providing the same quality of game play regardless of when you are able to play. What are you doing to compensate those players for providing a " less than" experience by capping their points?

It is the poor game design that allows for players to not have people to play with and against that causes the problem, not the need to punish people for playing when it is convenient for them. Only have enough servers open that have 24/7 coverage. Have more maps in play during busy times to allow for minimal queue to allow players to actually play the game during prime time instead of sitting in queue and remove them from play when it slows down. Problem solved.

Just do not blame players who paid for the game like everyone else for playing when they have time to play, just like everyone else. " nightcapping" is an absurd term to begin with since someone’s day is someone else’s night all the time. Some people work days, some people work nights, some people work weekends some people work on the other side of the planet… and they all paid for the game just the same and should be able to play when it is convenient for them to do so.

Then you make ppl who play off times feel even more pointless. A real fix to nightcapping cant be “when i do not play it dose not count” point of view its a 24hr game type and to think of it any other way if not true RvR.

OK – but if PPT takes a penalty when there are less players on so that a few players don’t influence the outcome of the match unfairly then surely we must also ensure that PPK is scaled UP for people who play at off peak times. After all, it also wouldn’t be right for the big groups to unfairly influence the outcome of a match simply because there were more people around for them to kill – and it so much easier to focus down a target when you have more players around you.

So there’s the other half of your fair solution then – scale PPK right up at off peak times to account for both the lack of players to kill and the fact that it’s harder to kill them.

Steelo.4597:

This isnt a fix, its just a quick and easy adjustment which will punish offpeak-points and makes sure primetime population counts something in a matchup.

6pm-12pm Primetime – PPT value 100% – full PPK
12pm-6pm Offpeak – PPT value 25% – full PPK

6pm every day: “Primetime Reset” – For equal terms in primetime – all borders and EB have their upgrade status reset and belong to their respective owner now (just like the reset we know).

/signed!

What if someone from the other side of the world comes with the exact same proposal.

All proposals are effectively meaningless unless the times quoted are Server time – this is the one constant value that anyone and everyone can set on their mini-map. Thus it is the only sensible point of reference in a world wide game.

I believe the EU servers reset at 6pm(?) server time – which would make the times the OP suggests understandable.

Yuffi.2430:

OK – but if PPT takes a penalty when there are less players on so that a few players don’t influence the outcome of the match unfairly then surely we must also ensure that PPK is scaled UP for people who play at off peak times. After all, it also wouldn’t be right for the big groups to unfairly influence the outcome of a match simply because there were more people around for them to kill – and it so much easier to focus down a target when you have more players around you.

So there’s the other half of your fair solution then – scale PPK right up at off peak times to account for both the lack of players to kill and the fact that it’s harder to kill them.

When ppk matters – this makes sense. Ppk is meaningless right now when compared to the current ppt score.

Super easy night capping fix… Combine NA & EU servers… T1 NA & T8 Eu.. T2 & T7 …. And so on….. Population problem fixed…. Coverage problem fixed… Now let’s all celebrate with a drink, cheers

Knob.6835:

Super easy night capping fix… Combine NA & EU servers… T1 NA & T8 Eu.. T2 & T7 …. And so on….. Population problem fixed…. Coverage problem fixed… Now let’s all celebrate with a drink, cheers

Any volunteers for NA server to learn german?

Dayra.7405:

Gideon.6742:

People really want the 1 or 2 extra chests for the week

Funny that you say that to me, who has a whole bunch of unclaimed boxes in the queue and not to the ones that spend a lot of nights to get them by PvD.

It wasn’t to you specifically, but I’m glad you think the world revolves around you, princess.

Dayra.7405:

Knob.6835:

Super easy night capping fix… Combine NA & EU servers… T1 NA & T8 Eu.. T2 & T7 …. And so on….. Population problem fixed…. Coverage problem fixed… Now let’s all celebrate with a drink, cheers

Any volunteers for NA server to learn german?

They don’t listen to commanders in T7 anyway. Maybe being yelled at in German would help :-)

“Then suck it up. But stop making kittenty proposals to make your time more valuable then another.”

wow you dropping the carver on me? shows you dont understand how the scoring works even after 3 years of playing, babs. offpeak players time IS already more valuable in terms of ppt. ppk is fair.. ppt is not. thats why changes are needed.

I am not dropping the carver on you. Just tired to see proposals that would make other people’s time spend in a game less valuable then another.

I know how this score system works and yes, offtime gives more points then primetime. Esp on our server but i already sucked it up and knowing this system is 3years old i dont see any reason why they would suddenly change it.

your argument was made first by Devon Carver.. thats why i said droppign the carver, yes you did. Lets see: At this moment nightcapping players are way more valuable to ppt then primetime players. You even say that is true. But then you say you dont want to devalue the offpeak players time – ok Babs.. now you just have to explain how you want to make any changes to the ppt system without devaluing one player’s time or another – because thats absolutely impossible. or you can say you dont want any changes to the system – thats fine, your opinion – granted. but then stay the kitten out of this thread and don troll me with the Carver argument.

Ok then i did drop a carver, did not knew was it meant in first place. Anyway as we seem to disagree i’ll just stay away from topics like these. Nothing will happen anyway/wasted energy.

And nope i have no idea how to make it perfectly fair for everyone around the globe.

Steelo still do so there is no passive Points then you cant gain any Points for your server if there is no enemy’s except the Points you gain by capping buildings/upgrading them. And then the other servers can gain back the same amount off points your server gain under the night by capping the Buildings and upgrading them on the day/evening.

Shadow – your idea is interesting, but what would be the purpose of this form of points? How would it gratify? You get more points if you upgrade more stuff compared to your enemy? Its something quite different then owning land.

Steelo if you upgraded “enemy” Buildings that are hard to defend it will be a +-0 Point game so you have to deside what Buildings is it Worth to upgrade becase them you need to defend so the enemy cant get the Points.

if you suggest
6pm-12pm Primetime – PPT value 100% – full PPK
12pm-6pm Offpeak – PPT value 25% – full PPK

then suggest
6pm-12pm Primetime – PPT value 100% – 25% PPK
12pm-6pm Offpeak – PPT value 25% – 400% PPK

reason simple there will be too many kills during prime time so we don’t need too much ppk, instead give bonus to night cappers according to your time..

you guys are just being unreasonable to non prime timers. you want advantage all the time since you guys are strong in fight. so you get ppk & ppt during prime.
& safely go to sleep afterwards.
since we need balance we got balance this way not just 1 way to only prime time players.

Someone proposed having PPT measured by players online on each side and I think that’s a pretty good idea, better than a set time.

I do care about PPT as I don’t really want to fight my ex server (the whispers are annoying when we do). Plus “losing” every week is kind of disapointing. So, it is hard to really “fight for a reason”. I can enjoy the fights and be laid back about the PPT, but in the end that’s one of the plenty reasons I don’t really play wvw anymore as all efforts are wasted anyway – I can be there, I can be elsewhere, I can be afk – it doesn’t really change anything as in the end we’ll lose everything to a few night cappers anyway (not always but mostly).

ETA: But like I said: One of the many reasons. I probably wouldn’t bother if not everything else was broken.