Guild Wars 2

Magnetron.5823:

Desolation is waiting to enjoy for over 2 months already, nothing fun.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Tier-1-EU-needs-assistance-ArenaNet/page/5#post1973156

is likely your next opportunity. And, hm, if I look at
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/15/#history
is only 1 month ago that Deso burned out.
Week 14 was the crash of SFR and week 15 yours.

Actually from a personal view of the one and a half bl’s we deso can fill i play on the half part which is our own bl and despite being outnumbered and no queue our guys work very hard despite losing fights due to the numbers game any Elona that we meet have been great opponents and i would not say those we have encountered are lacking any in open field.

EB may be a different story as traditionally both home bl’s and EB field the greatest amount of pug groups this can amount to all sorts of coordinational mishaps and shenanigans.

I will go as far as saying Viz groups on our bl have an over reliance in pushing the number odds in their favor before engaging similar sized forces and the pugs are too quick to break ranks and flee if things don’t go their way.

The only way many of us hold out as much as we can on Deso bl with our numbers is through pure aggression, those who want to flee are restrained, we die we re-spawn and come back to the fight, if we lose something were straight back on it even if we have to face rub the doors we try to keep the pressure on best we can.

Enough of this defeatism talk Desolation still fights on within it’s capacity to do so if we drop tier we do so with it at the back of our minds. As long as there are people still showing up every evening on the bl’s commanders will continue to lead them to the fight.

Axle.5182:

Actually from a personal view of the one and a half bl’s we deso can fill i play on the half part which is our own bl and despite being outnumbered and no queue our guys work very hard despite losing fights due to the numbers game any Elona that we meet have been great opponents and i would not say those we have encountered are lacking any in open field.

EB may be a different story as traditionally both home bl’s and EB field the greatest amount of pug groups this can amount to all sorts of coordinational mishaps and shenanigans.

I will go as far as saying Viz groups on our bl have an over reliance in pushing the number odds in their favor before engaging similar sized forces and the pugs are too quick to break ranks and flee if things don’t go their way.

The only way many of us hold out as much as we can on Deso bl with our numbers is through pure aggression, those who want to flee are restrained, we die we re-spawn and come back to the fight, if we lose something were straight back on it even if we have to face rub the doors we try to keep the pressure on best we can.

Enough of this defeatism talk Desolation still fights on within it’s capacity to do so if we drop tier we do so with it at the back of our minds. As long as there are people still showing up every evening on the bl’s commanders will continue to lead them to the fight.

Now thats a review I can agree on, because it reflects what I’ve seen from Deso (and Vizunsh). I’m also pretty sure that Elona would be reasonable enough to focus on Vizunah if we don’t get pressure from Desolation. It’s the logical choice. Just sayin…

Finally back in Tier 1… took long enough. Quite happy to see that our “Training” in Tier 2 has paid off. The time with Jade and Kodash really helped us evolve our tactics (especially our Guildgroups, but also our RandomZergs). Worthy Enemies those two.

Also good to see that there is still some life left in Deso, i missed you guys.
I don’t think there is any need for “defeatism”… you proved yourself more then enough during the last few weeks that you’ve been stuck in T1 (and we Elonians know that morale gets low after more then a month). One, maybe two weeks and you can enjoy a few rounds with Kodash, Jade or SFR. Maybe even Piken, who knows. Would like to fight you after you well earned “holidays” in tier 2. And trust me, when i say holidays, i actually mean bloody hard fights cause neither Jade nor Kodash will give you time to rest.

Current match seems to work in our favor, starting to hope we get our second Gold this week. And i really think we deserve it, Elona Reach never has been stronger than now. ok, maybe during our first rise, which was quite a while ago.

Anyway, i can’t wait to get my new computer, install GW2 and get back into the fray.

Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more.
For Elona!

Repuran.1859:

Ramic.2346:

Some nice facts about our “blobing” in Elona Reach. We are running at prime time on each Borderland atleast one Guild-Raid besides our Random-Raid. Normally no Guild is runing with more then 35 in a Raid. Yes, sometimes our Random-Raid and our Guild-Raid meet each other but its rly hard not to meet if u only have one target left on the map.
At the moment we are that strong because we organize max. 2 Guild-Raids on each Bl and the rest goes in the “Random-Raid” and normally there are enough other Players from our WvW-Guilds in this “Random-Raids”.
Thats how our server-state is atm. The exception is the EB, where we have pretty often blobs but our guilds normally dont play there so… .

My Experience till now:
Vizu ran, got wiped whole day on the Vizu-Borderlands, we ran with one “Random-Raid” wich was around 30 player big and 2 Guild-Raids(Offensive-Zerg and Aegis) wich were around 20-35 players each. We held the whole map except for one tower for many hours(sry, didnt count). Oh yes, and of my guild-mates got a prec from one of the thousend Vizu baggys, thanks for that. Nice day for us, now u can continue ur trakittenalk.

Not sure if serious, everytime Bay or Hills is attacked by Desolation for example you call your whole zerg on that BL (usually 50+) and make about 10 arrow carts. Not even Viz sit in keeps with 50+ blob’s using AC’s.

Looks like I’m not the only who noticed the overusage of AC. I wonder how they’ll do if AC gets nerfed

olleN.2356:

Repuran.1859:

Not sure if serious, everytime Bay or Hills is attacked by Desolation for example you call your whole zerg on that BL (usually 50+) and make about 10 arrow carts. Not even Viz sit in keeps with 50+ blob’s using AC’s.

Looks like I’m not the only who noticed the overusage of AC. I wonder how they’ll do if AC gets nerfed

Oh that’s easy, if e.g. the damage is halved, you build 20 ACs instead of 10 for your 50+ people. Or increase the % of SACs should you run short on people to use them.

Don’t forgot, we got trained 10 weeks by THE AC specialists of GW2, and most of the time was pre-AC-boost-patch.

Dayra.7405:

Oh that’s easy, if e.g. the damage is halved, you build 20 ACs instead of 10 for your 50+ people. Or increase the % of SACs should you run short on people to use them.

Don’t forgot, we got trained 10 weeks by THE AC specialists of GW2, and most of the time was pre-AC-boost-patch.

I second that. The true Masters of AC Warfare have enlighted us.

A true Kodashi will stay with his AC. Even unbuffed.

And it looks like they will NOT nerf the damage against players, only siege.

Dayra.7405:

olleN.2356:

declan.3968:

When Desu drops to T2, do you think Kodash might overtake to T1? They might gain a bit too much from Desu and SfR point bleed.

Jade Sea will come T1

I guess with the reanimation of SFR in T2 this topic is resolved: No one will switch between T1 and T2 for a while.

Let’s enjoy our current setup until ANet fixes the rating-system.

Hello…someone smart!!!
Dont start dancing in our body, make shure we are dead 1st.
Looks like VS as some serious problems to solve. I told you Troma…
Very happy to know that a strong server like Elona is in T1.
From SFR with love.

Need score update because too lazy to check it for myself.

Also annoyed by Dayra and his impeccable SFR evaluation. It’s nice that you got your opinion and all, but remember that you are an outsider that didn’t even fight against SFR for the longest time. Things may be not as clear-cut as they seem to you, just saying.

Wolfheart.1938:

Need score update because too lazy to check it for myself.

Also annoyed by Dayra and his impeccable SFR evaluation. It’s nice that you got your opinion and all, but remember that you are an outsider that didn’t even fight against SFR for the longest time. Things may be not as clear-cut as they seem to you, just saying.

Everything is good in t1, Elona are the new blob kings and somehow outnumber even the Viz zerg sizes. I’m glad to see SFR doing well again :].

Which open field fights is Vizu talking about?
Vizu is only running away. And if they’re not running → they port to their spawn.

Bah still skill lag in the big keep fights, instant Alt F4 for me.. wont play WvW anymore, only do my daily and then gone again.

The fights against Deso were mostly fun so far, but Viz made us invent a whole new tactic. In order to fight them properly you have to take a tower but not take it at the same time. Keep the lord alive till the blob has arrived, threaten them a bit so they don’t run into the lord room but not too much so they run away and lay down some AEs but not too much, just enough to keep them from porting back to spawn. Then send out 5 guys to repair the broken door/wall from the outside while you kill the lord and take the tower at the same time. This way the blob is trapped inside the tower when it changes owner and can’t run away.
Due to experiences like that I can’t understand who a Viz player feels entitled to lecture any other server about open field fights.

I’m not saying Viz is bad, they are T1 for a long time now and have proven to be worthy of it, but open field fights seem to be one of their weaknesses. Or they just want to keep the tension up and won’t start to really fight back till two days before the reset.

Kudos to MN and Meta on EB. Great evening, lots of intense fights and some nice tactics.

I even played on ER. ER is fresh and cheeky, ambitious and motivated. This will not forget the Randoms to take with them into battle. The best German guilds compete here
Unschuld vom Lande (UvL), EQUINOX (EqnX), Âegis (Ægis), The Suspects (WvW), Good Old Days (GD) and more.

This little video I found on Youtube. These are the first impressions of a furious start to a new week.

Elona, go, go, go!

Greetz, Marsella

GrandMechantLoup.8201:

nachtnebel.9168:

I can’t understand who a Viz player feels entitled to lecture any other server about open field fights.

I am sure that some Deso or SFR players can explain to you when they will see your video.

i think you missunderstood the point he stated, it wasnt about what deso and sfr thinks about us, it was about how your players feeling entitled to lecture others how to fight in open field
tbh all i read from both deso and sfr about viz is something like “all they do is running away and hide in their t3 keeps” or “viz are nothing more than running bags”, please correct me if im wrong here lol
maybe ppl wanna stop commenting on other ppl playstyle and try to improve their own
cya on battlefields

Interesting to see how arrogant servers become after doing well for 1 week

Benjamin.7893:

Interesting to see how arrogant servers become after doing well for 1 week

As usual.

GrandMechantLoup.8201:

Benjamin.7893:

Interesting to see how arrogant servers become after doing well for 1 week

As usual.

As usual everyone generalize what one single guy said.

Btw shout outs to Meta and MN on EB. Nice flanking strategy. The cooperation worked out for you. It was a nice experience to fight 2 guilds at once. Keep it up.

Good that Vizu and Deso arent arrogant at all, like bad-mouth us for everything that we did this week. U can talk about how we only blob or play like kitten, this is totally not arrogant ^^. Meanwhile Vizus are still running away and deso is mostly active in EB, thats it.
Oh and the Vizu guy, who wrote that we try to avoid Open-field-Fights. Sry, we tried today at Deso-Bl but u kept runing and runing, even when tough we were just runing as a guild-raid with around 30 players. The problem might be on ur side. ^^

Let the trakittenalk and bad mouthing continue, good that nobody expected something else in T1, we wont care, we know how we play and we have fun as a guild-raid or a random-raid.

Benjamin.7893:

Interesting to see how arrogant servers become after doing well for 1 week

so its arrogance now if you tell ppl to look at themselves before trying to judge others?^^ well, go on, call me arrogant, guess i can live with that.

I just want to thank everyone who fought on Desolation side this evening at Deso BL. We were outmanned most of the time. Still managed to take full control of the top half of the map, including Garrison. Hills failed because we had at best 10 people trying to cap it while others were doing something else.

Good work from PuGs, veteran players etc. Just next time stick to me a bit closer and don’t scatter when the heat begins.

Our morning capping was even better, thanks to Loona [AFTL] + PuGs, we got almost all the map, but I guess enemy was sleeping, because we didn’t see much any.

If we keep like this, we can become an efficient PuG server. We just need more co-ordination and sorely lack the night time crew.

Did anybody notice any skill lag? I didn’t notice any lag even during that 1st Garrison fight when about 30 VS rushed in at the last second after we had gotten the lord down and countdown had begun.

No lag + no queue = Tier 1 begins to look better!

Ramic.2346:

Sry, we tried today at Deso-Bl but u kept runing and runing, even when tough we were just runing as a guild-raid with around 30 players. The problem might be on ur side.

Was a very bad night for us on Deso-Bl yeah (was playing with [RAID])… No coordination, bad moves, too much hesitations, some conflicts about leading way. All the good things for a perfect kittenty prime. :p

Sorry for tonight, was a perfect vizu-cliché.
We will make good tomorrow ! :]

Another lesson for our guys to REFRESH THE SIEGE or you won’t be able to defend against golems

oh that was just horrible lol

yiishing.9057:

Kudos to MN and Meta on EB. Great evening, lots of intense fights and some nice tactics.

suprNovae.5410:

As usual everyone generalize what one single guy said.

Btw shout outs to Meta and MN on EB. Nice flanking strategy. The cooperation worked out for you. It was a nice experience to fight 2 guilds at once. Keep it up.

Thank you too! For me it was the best evening in many weeks!
Sunday we was surprised by your number and impressive coordination and efficiency so we developped new strats and approach to fight against you.
Again, it was lots of fun and the teams was very even so both side had his victories =)

Hope to see you again on EB

Come on guys, it was my experience with open field fights. Not a Truth.
If you expect any scientific objectivity in this kind of game, you’ll be disappointed !

I’m just saying, there is no guild that is feared by most of VS guilds (like RG, ZdS, IRON or others could have been).
Some guilds on ER come out as “strong”, but none is “impressive”.
This my experience of the game and the forums. Then again, as I said on my previous post, I don’t mean any disrespect : you’re obviously very good as a server.

The fleeing and porting part has probably nothing to do with organized raids. If I was a commander with 20 people behind me and I saw a huge 60-man zerg, I’d tell everyone to port. Or to run in a tower and use 3 ACs.

Leorcyn.1063:

If I was a commander with 20 people behind me and I saw a huge 60-man zerg, I’d tell everyone to port. Or to run in a tower and use 3 ACs.

Why would you port? If you’re organised then a group of 20 can wipe the zerg and it’s more fun fighting than it is hitting a way point. Basically porting for the sake of a few silver in repair bills, so lame.

Thimill.9162:

Ramic.2346:

Sry, we tried today at Deso-Bl but u kept runing and runing, even when tough we were just runing as a guild-raid with around 30 players. The problem might be on ur side.

Was a very bad night for us on Deso-Bl yeah (was playing with [RAID])… No coordination, bad moves, too much hesitations, some conflicts about leading way. All the good things for a perfect kittenty prime. :p

Sorry for tonight, was a perfect vizu-cliché.
We will make good tomorrow ! :]

Dude… send me a pm where we can meet, we will come with our guild and dance with you. Some time ago we helped one of our randoms to do the jp. He was fairly surprised when he suddenly had 35 friendlys that helped him finishing the jp. We get you motivated again. Because we like to dance, and because, y’know, WE CAN =D

And I have to say it was hell o’ fun to chase you in our bay when you tried to distract us from the fact that you where getting wood-hills back. We noticed that pretty soon but it was just so much fun to see you swim in circles, I just LOVE good comedy like that, keep it up! I just have to ask you dude… why did you open the NE gate, while NW was already open? xD

suprNovae.5410:

Btw shout outs to Meta and MN on EB. Nice flanking strategy. The cooperation worked out for you. It was a nice experience to fight 2 guilds at once. Keep it up.

This is not over

scanz.4536:

Why would you port? If you’re organised then a group of 20 can wipe the zerg and it’s more fun fighting than it is hitting a way point. Basically porting for the sake of a few silver in repair bills, so lame.

It probably wasn’t clear in my post, but I’m talking PU group. As a PU group with limited coordination you can’t face 20v60.

And no, it’s not about repair bills, I don’t think it ever came to anyone’s mind, it’s about time and motivation.
Getting your kitten kicked takes usefull seconds and destroys morale. Something we absolutely don’t need atm.

If the values are 20vs60 everyone would say, ok maybe its a good idea to run. But on the borderlands (Deso BL, Vizu BL) you experience nearly the opposit 40 running because of 20. Except if the Blobb is moving.

I think it is really hard to evaluate numbers (you always tend to minimize your number and overestimates the ennemies number), but I don’t believe anyone is running away with twice the numbers.
Or something much more important came up. Like a tower under attack.

nice fighting today viz bl 3 hours long we kept the garrison with only 14 people cheers to every other who deffended it with me there, then of course some clown meant to use the resolution bug and destroy our whole deff .. rly poor play there guys .. and anet PLS FIX THIS… whole keeps fall because of this!

Good to see ER stronger than ever, we have some challenge now on the maps.

You have your own playstyle and are very good at defending towers with siege weapons, which is good to learn new tactics, thanks for that.

Also since you are in T1 I regularly see some of your bus not moving at all when we charge you and wipe you, I have no idea why, it looks like you don’t react very fast in open fields, so probably the reason why you can read that some of us consider you as weak on open fields, but you are learning as well so it should get balanced soon.

Xispeo.1706:

Good to see ER stronger than ever, we have some challenge now on the maps.

You have your own playstyle and are very good at defending towers with siege weapons, which is good to learn new tactics, thanks for that.

Also since you are in T1 I regularly see some of your bus not moving at all when we charge you and wipe you, I have no idea why, it looks like you don’t react very fast in open fields, so probably the reason why you can read that some of us consider you as weak on open fields, but you are learning as well so it should get balanced soon.

Or then they will just get bored of wiping and start playing the Viz Hide ’n Seek game.

I wonder in what some Viz are dreaming. I was killed 4 times by a Vizu blobb this week, and I was part of wiping 23 Viz blobbs who were NOT less players than we were. On the first day a Viz zerg ran away from 15- ppl. We all saw it. We all laughted on TS.
I was part of wiping Viz-zerg who got the high ground. So pls Vizs stop only saying “We wipe ER” and forget the “but we get wiped two times for that”
Maybe Viz can learn sth from ER in open field fights.

I know Viz is a good server. Noone can deny this. But stop changing realitiy ’cause ur loosing after Points.

Greetz to ER & DESO & VIZ !

Deso and ER dont fear the blob. They are bad and even RiOT scared them off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LMYfHvfsYpg

JackyCorus.6915:

I wonder in what some Viz are dreaming. I was killed 4 times by a Vizu blobb this week, and I was part of wiping 23 Viz blobbs who were NOT less players than we were. On the first day a Viz zerg ran away from 15- ppl. We all saw it. We all laughted on TS.
I was part of wiping Viz-zerg who got the high ground. So pls Vizs stop only saying “We wipe ER” and forget the “but we get wiped two times for that”
Maybe Viz can learn sth from ER in open field fights.

I know Viz is a good server. Noone can deny this. But stop changing realitiy ’cause ur loosing after Points.

Greetz to ER & DESO & VIZ !

Please please don’t start the same bashing here than in the previous thread.
We all, on every server, can describe the same behaviors in game.
Yes I also saw some much larger ER bus running away of our much smaller guild raid bus.
Yes we all laughed when it happened.

Deso outnumbered on EB atm with no commander and Elona and Vizunah decide to not attack each other and just take Deso towers and keep pretty much sums up the 2 servers in one.

dude. nobody, and i mean nobody, runs from viz. they are just too easy to loot to run from them. why would someone pass on all those lootbags?

buttski.6135:

dude. nobody, and i mean nobody, runs from viz. they are just too easy to loot to run from them. why would someone pass on all those lootbags?

Elona are taking deso outnumbered and avoiding Viz atm on EB though.

yeah, we get double teamed at the moment. and i don’t respect elona either.
i have 0 respect to lowskill zergservers.
it’s a pity that wvwvw all about who brings more people and not who brings better players.

buttski.6135:

…it’s a pity that wvwvw all about who brings more people and not who brings better players.

Yep it is, gw2 favors quantity over quality, and casual players against hardcore ones since you can decently stuff a toon quite fast and you don’t even need that much the best stuff to get your character able to perform in WvW. But I still prefer that option than farming during months the same instances in the hope of that 0.00001% droping rate item that you do need to get an ’acceptable" character ^^

@buttski… the problem is, you cant manage a monolanguage server in an other way then pug zerg spam… it’s simply not possible because the second you start winnig with good players.. well see what happend to sfr, though we have a high population so no transfer needed for the wannabe wvw players… they are already here!

buttski.6135:

yeah, we get double teamed at the moment. and i don’t respect elona either.
i have 0 respect to lowskill zergservers.

i have 0 respect for your opinion, only because they have many players doesn’t mean they are bad. If you want fair pvp play sPvP -_-.

buttski.6135:

yeah, we get double teamed at the moment.

That’s a pity and I always feared it happens.

In fact I don’t really think it’s double teaming against you, this is a match Elona vs Vizu with Deso spectating the match, so I guess it’s more a race between Vizu and Elona to grab your under-garrisoned possessions before the opponent does.

I think it speaks for fairness and discipline of both Vizu and Elona, that they managed to mostly avoid this for 4 days!

Let me come back to why “I feared that this happens”: I think Elona is winning the current match because it is a 1 vs 1 with spectators and not a 1 vs 1 vs 1.
This is good for Elona as it allows Elona to counter Vizu’s night advantage with Elona’s day advantage.

In a normal 1 vs 1 vs 1 like we had it February, this balance is less given.
Vizu still has night-advantage as all others sleeping, but Elona has a reduced day advantage as Deso (or any other third) is awake as well, i.e. while Vizu is capping anything in the night unopposed, the other two have to fight each other instead of being able to cap everything back.

So I feared that this happens because it may let Deso drop out of T1, replacing Deso maybe with someone Elona has to fight during the day, destroying the balance that currently favours Elona.

Xispeo.1706:

Also since you are in T1 I regularly see some of your bus not moving at all when we charge you and wipe you, I have no idea why, it looks like you don’t react very fast in open fields, so probably the reason why you can read that some of us consider you as weak on open fields, but you are learning as well so it should get balanced soon.

Many servers consider Vizunah worst in any part but playing for points and organising PU, especially failing in open field combat (and you haven’t learned since day 1 of Blacktide), but nice to see you’re riding your high horse.
—-
Leocryn, Viz running with twice numbers, I’ve seen it too often.

• sigh * always the same never ending story.
  How about a ZvZ? Zerg vs Zerg with same numbers (maybe a 60 vs 60 ?). So we can find out which pug zerg is the best on open field. There is enough space in the north of bay.
  Anything else has no sense. I want to get rid of this topic.
  Anyway…I don’t want to sound arrogant but the matchup is over and Vizunah has no chance to get first. Let’s try this kittening unique project on all borderlands.
  Could be an amazing event!
  For the truth! :p

Dayra.7405:

In fact I don’t really think it’s double teaming against you, this is a match Elona vs Vizu with Deso spectating the match,

We’re not spectating, we’re actively doing your work for you. Like doing all the hard work to take Bay on Vizunah BL only for you to take over when it gets easy.

You’re welcome, by the way.

An entire map full of green towers and you go for ours. So frustrating.