Guild Wars 2

Agreed, almost all T2 guilds already moved to T1, so any fight that isn’t JQ/BG/SoR will be complete blowouts. Not sure if we can get Devon to change the system a 2nd time though.

Luiz Swordbreaker.6547:

Agreed, almost all T2 guilds already moved to T1, so any fight that isn’t JQ/BG/SoR will be complete blowouts. Not sure if we can get Devon to change the system a 2nd time though.

we can hope! It really will bring balance to the game and fights in silver/bronze/peewee leagues would be pretty good.

Love this idea! Really sounds like it could make some really balanced WvW.

I wouldn’t necessarily go off of rating points, IOJ is beating bp but you want bp up a league. Likewise CD just lost(or is losing) one of their prime time guilds and their main sea/euro guild. So they won’t be up to par I think

Please do this Anet. I’m sick of walking out of my spawn point with 12 ballistas aimed at me… Realize that fights between T1 and T2 suck for both sides. Quit killing servers WvW morale, and let T1 fight themselves like they should be doing.

@ Anet. If you are worried about variety DON’T! T1 people chose to play on stagnant servers with similar matchups every week. It’s their choice so let them play how they want. They don’t want variety so don’t sacrifice their fun and T2’s fun for variety…

Hate this idea! A large part of the WvW population imbalance issue comes from guilds bandwagoning into T1. People know this, yet no one is willing to spread out.

There’s no incentive to spread out if T1 is always matched with T1 because it’d always be pretty competitive. But the way the Leagues are designed now, T1 is guaranteed to have many weeks of uncompetitive, unfun matches with T2 servers. The incentive to spread out in order to make matches more fun for everyone is much much greater.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Hate this idea! A large part of the WvW population imbalance issue comes from guilds bandwagoning into T1. People know this, yet no one is willing to spread out.

There’s no incentive to spread out if T1 is always matched with T1 because it’d always be pretty competitive. But the way the Leagues are designed now, T1 is guaranteed to have many weeks of uncompetitive, unfun matches with T2 servers. The incentive to spread out in order to make matches more fun for everyone is much much greater.

You give people too much credit. Most people will quit instead of moving to lower tiers to balance. T1 guilds/players want the stagnant ‘competitive’ 24/7 fights with lag/queues. Let them complain in couple months and then tell them to kitten off and transfer or stop kittening Instead T1/T2 players are more likely to stop playing over next 7 weeks because of boring matchups then transferring to the outmanned server.

very much agree with this. im on fa and yes we lost 2 guilds already, but i think the rest of us is gonna stay. people in fa have some pretty tough skin as we were having a pretty rough time in t3 for 12 to 14 weeks vs tc at the time and we are not going down without a fight nor are we a bandwagon server at all. thats why our community has grown a lot and will try to get through this. but i see people not logging in atm as jq just seem like a huge massive bully that zergs everything u own within a couple of minutes. u cant hold anything unless u got a 40 man zerg mass building ac’s.

i do agree with the op though and hope anet will act quickly as the current matchup vs jq for example is taking away all the fun.
its not fun being spawncamped by 70+ man blobs(btw sos awesome move when u flanked them from behind last time)
its not fun when u take an other exit to go and take a camp, being flanked by the same zerg
its not fun owning a keep and sieging it up, but the 70 man zerg rushes it from all sides and builds a ton of siege to counter yours
its not fun that u can only cap something, because the t1 server allows u to so they can karmatrain.

ANET, pleas do something, now.
T1 is killing all servers like this! once tc and sos and fa has lost enough another server will move up and face the same kitten for weeks. t1 is out of control.

Luvpie.8350:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Hate this idea! A large part of the WvW population imbalance issue comes from guilds bandwagoning into T1. People know this, yet no one is willing to spread out.

There’s no incentive to spread out if T1 is always matched with T1 because it’d always be pretty competitive. But the way the Leagues are designed now, T1 is guaranteed to have many weeks of uncompetitive, unfun matches with T2 servers. The incentive to spread out in order to make matches more fun for everyone is much much greater.

You give people too much credit. Most people will quit instead of moving to lower tiers to balance. T1 guilds/players want the stagnant ‘competitive’ 24/7 fights with lag/queues. Let them complain in couple months and then tell them to kitten off and transfer or stop kittening Instead T1/T2 players are more likely to stop playing over next 7 weeks because of boring matchups then transferring to the outmanned server.

What you say may very well be true. WvW is in a very tenuous position right now and this cure may kill it.

But if T1 becomes its own league, what will happen is that more and more guilds will transfer there. Slowly, servers in other tiers will lose all their core guilds to T1. Without core guilds to hold things together, the gameplay is much diminished. We’d likely see fewer and fewer pugs participating in WvW in the lower tiers as a result.

Why would T1 people care about this? Well, I can see a point where the lower tiers just collapse population-wise so that the overall WvW population becomes so small (T1 can only hold so many players) that it’s no longer worth it for Anet to support it any longer and the whole thing is shut down (or just left to rot with no support).

Of course, it’s also possible that gear treadmilling may kill WvW before this all comes to pass, but that’s a story for another time.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Luvpie.8350:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Hate this idea! A large part of the WvW population imbalance issue comes from guilds bandwagoning into T1. People know this, yet no one is willing to spread out.

There’s no incentive to spread out if T1 is always matched with T1 because it’d always be pretty competitive. But the way the Leagues are designed now, T1 is guaranteed to have many weeks of uncompetitive, unfun matches with T2 servers. The incentive to spread out in order to make matches more fun for everyone is much much greater.

You give people too much credit. Most people will quit instead of moving to lower tiers to balance. T1 guilds/players want the stagnant ‘competitive’ 24/7 fights with lag/queues. Let them complain in couple months and then tell them to kitten off and transfer or stop kittening Instead T1/T2 players are more likely to stop playing over next 7 weeks because of boring matchups then transferring to the outmanned server.

What you say may very well be true. WvW is in a very tenuous position right now and this cure may kill it.

But if T1 becomes its own league, what will happen is that more and more guilds will transfer there. Slowly, servers in other tiers will lose all their core guilds to T1. Without core guilds to hold things together, the gameplay is much diminished. We’d likely see fewer and fewer pugs participating in WvW in the lower tiers as a result.

Why would T1 people care about this? Well, I can see a point where the lower tiers just collapse population-wise so that the overall WvW population becomes so small (T1 can only hold so many players) that it’s no longer worth it for Anet to support it any longer and the whole thing is shut down (or just left to rot with no support).

Of course, it’s also possible that gear treadmilling may kill WvW before this all comes to pass, but that’s a story for another time.

Agreed. Increases queues on stacked servers will balance pop though. Anet should reduce max # players from each server by 25% (100 to 75) to reduce skill lag & increase queue times to make people transfer to balance pop & increase competition.

So wait… you say people, if given the choice between staying in tier 1 or transferring to a lower tier to help balance things out, would rather quit, but then you go on to say that if Anet removes the choice and applies a cap to the amount of players/map on tier 1 to try and balance things out, these very same people who would quit in the other scenario would be all too happy to transfer now? That makes no sense.

A better idea would be remove leagues outright, or better yet, just make 24 leagues. Everyone’s a winner!

Stillsky.2615:

So wait… you say people, if given the choice between staying in tier 1 or transferring to a lower tier to help balance things out, would rather quit, but then you go on to say that if Anet removes the choice and applies a cap to the amount of players/map on tier 1 to try and balance things out, these very same people who would quit in the other scenario would be all too happy to transfer now? That makes no sense.

A better idea would be remove leagues outright, or better yet, just make 24 leagues. Everyone’s a winner!

The queues even with 25% reduced pop with T1 only gold league shouldn’t be that high offpeak hours for each of the servers. During peak hours you might have higher queues which will force new people to move out to lower tiers or yes quit the game. Seeing as it is their choice to play on T1 or quit game they deserve that choice but same T1 stacked servers fighting T2 or below will make kittenty matchups that will make people quit game outside of just T1 servers.

Pop reduc might get people to move, but the big difference is the determination on the different tiers and server morale as a whole. While fighting outnumbered in SoR we still keep on fighting we might disengage from one map but we’ll always be attacking and pushing something else.

Notable difference when fighting T2 and T3, aside from a handful of guilds/people, basically after a few wipes the map becomes a ghost town

After well over a decade playing online games I have seen several gaming companies face major decision points. It is impossible to always get them right…( NGE etc )

I am currently seeing/hearing many WvW players looking for a reason to play while others are already seeking drama to justify leaving servers/GW2.

I am not convinced reducing map caps is appropriate but I understand something needs to be done to encourage destacking as well.

IMHO, a JQ, BG, SOR only gold league is more likely to retain GW2 WvW players over the next 7 weeks.

This happens every time theres a big change in WvW. Bandwagoners always run to the easymode servers. The transfer fee should be real money and not gems/gold.

It’d be funny if they froze rewards to what server you were in when they made the announcement instead.

You talk to the long time T1 folks, they don’t want to face T2 either. Only TC offers them any kind of competition and even TC is starting to bleed guilds to T1.

ANet is ignoring this problem because of the massive amounts of money being made in the gem store to finance these mass transfers.
Yet, who’s left to transfer once the only people still playing are in T1?

Already 5 server communities have been completely decimated, and several more have been hit hard.
There’s still some servers with guts and pride (SoS and Maguuma are both pretty resilient) and some lower servers have done well (SBI and IoJ).
For how long will that last when every new WvW development seems designed to encourage transfers to the highest ranked servers? What if they all stack a single server? (MERC’s transfer last week raised that specter)

To ArenaNet, please save an important and amazing part of your game.

which TC guilds moved to T1 ?

I see problems with T1 and ques in season 1, casuals and semi-casuals may not get to play at all since organized guilds know how to manipulate the map que. No no meta event, no shiny weekly chest, said players will ragequit to lower tiers or servers like FA, Mag and SoS who have some population strength but little in the way of que times or the “winners” of silver. I would like to think that this is how the problem will work itself out but it’s too early to tell.

Truearrow.3527:

I see problems with T1 and ques in season 1, casuals and semi-casuals may not get to play at all since organized guilds know how to manipulate the map que. No no meta event, no shiny weekly chest, said players will ragequit to lower tiers or servers like FA, Mag and SoS who have some population strength but little in the way of que times or the “winners” of silver. I would like to think that this is how the problem will work itself out but it’s too early to tell.

please stop talking about queues in tier 1 if you aren’t actually in tier 1

I agree with this. I have been surprised and disappointed to see guilds who have been on what were T2 servers move to JQ/BG. Sure that servers like Mags and SoS and IoJ still have a resilience and enthusiasm there, but they haven’t been playing against those “T1” servers for most of the last months as TC/FA and DB have.

As players on FA especially, as well as JQ and SoS, have commented in the current matchup thread, the extra players that have joined JQ in the last weeks has meant the disparity between JQ, the #3 ranked server and FA, #5 ranked server make WvW not fun for either side.

azizul.8469:

which TC guilds moved to T1 ?

[WvW], [ZN] (I believe another guild merged into it right before they left, correct me if I’m wrong) and [Dii].

Who exactly wants variety? Answer is, no one. The best matchups are the most competitive because they are balanced. So Anet, we know you realized there is a problem here, the reason why you changed it to 3 leagues, now do us a final favour and change it to 4 leages

And if Anet doesn’t change the leagues, here’s something you guys can do to encourage destacking:

How to kill T1 stacking via boredom: don’t let them karma train.
That’s what they do to keep themselves busy during blowout matches. Deny them that luxury and they have nothing. Of course, that means you can’t karma train as well but for the greater good….

Also, during NA prime time, consolidate ALL your forces into one map (or two). Let the other 2/3 maps be completely capped. They will find that there is only 1-2 maps with things to cap and people to fight. Agonizing queue times will be encountered as their entire wvw population tries to get into one map. Cue the queue QQs.

And for all the oceanics, asians and euros out there who aren’t in T2:
They DO have them. Stop transferring to T1 and head to T2. The foundations have been built…. now come and let it flourish.

TC has : KH, Awe, xTyr, INVC, NAGA -> all oceanic/sea guilds – TC is the RP server and has a large pve community. If you want people to pve with during your wvw down time, TC has you covered. A lot of CD’s old asian community is now on TC. TC also has a solid militia force. No matter what time of day, there WILL be people out in WvW (eu prime time included).

FA has: uA, AVTR, NV, DPS, Meow, BKB -> all oceanic/sea guilds – If you’re oceanic, you should know that FA absorbed a lot of IoJ’s oceanic community. That includes several pvx/pve guilds which I did not list. And let’s not forget the asian community DPS/BKB (malaysians, filipinos) as well as quite a number of Japanese pvx guilds.

Both TC/FA have enough of their NA online during EU prime so if any euro guilds transfer to them, you won’t be alone. Some brave guilds just need to get the ball rolling. Take the first leap. Do what IRON did for SoR that eventually lead to KISS and AFTL moving over.

TC does not want this. Every match up we’d have would be a 100k+ stomp that’d kill our server.

Deli.1302:

And if Anet doesn’t change the leagues, here’s something you guys can do to encourage destacking:

How to kill T1 stacking via boredom: don’t let them karma train.
That’s what they do to keep themselves busy during blowout matches. Deny them that luxury and they have nothing. Of course, that means you can’t karma train as well but for the greater good….

Also, during NA prime time, consolidate ALL your forces into one map (or two). Let the other 2/3 maps be completely capped. They will find that there is only 1-2 maps with things to cap and people to fight. Agonizing queue times will be encountered as their entire wvw population tries to get into one map. Cue the queue QQs.

And for all the oceanics, asians and euros out there who aren’t in T2:
They DO have them. Stop transferring to T1 and head to T2. The foundations have been built…. now come and let it flourish.

TC has : KH, Awe, xTyr, INVC, NAGA -> all oceanic/sea guilds – TC is the RP server and has a large pve community. If you want people to pve with during your wvw down time, TC has you covered. A lot of CD’s old asian community is now on TC. TC also has a solid militia force. No matter what time of day, there WILL be people out in WvW (eu prime time included).

FA has: uA, AVTR, NV, DPS, Meow, BKB -> all oceanic/sea guilds – If you’re oceanic, you should know that FA absorbed a lot of IoJ’s oceanic community. That includes several pvx/pve guilds which I did not list. And let’s not forget the asian community DPS/BKB (malaysians, filipinos) as well as quite a number of Japanese pvx guilds.

Both TC/FA have enough of their NA online during EU prime so if any euro guilds transfer to them, you won’t be alone. Some brave guilds just need to get the ball rolling. Take the first leap. Do what IRON did for SoR that eventually lead to KISS and AFTL moving over.

Have you faced any T1 in a while? Because if you have you know you need a queued map to hold off a determined T1 assault to stop the karma train. It’s the reality that it’s hard to get any PuGs into WvW outside of that night.

Chris.3290:

Deli.1302:

And if Anet doesn’t change the leagues, here’s something you guys can do to encourage destacking:

How to kill T1 stacking via boredom: don’t let them karma train.
That’s what they do to keep themselves busy during blowout matches. Deny them that luxury and they have nothing. Of course, that means you can’t karma train as well but for the greater good….

Also, during NA prime time, consolidate ALL your forces into one map (or two). Let the other 2/3 maps be completely capped. They will find that there is only 1-2 maps with things to cap and people to fight. Agonizing queue times will be encountered as their entire wvw population tries to get into one map. Cue the queue QQs.

And for all the oceanics, asians and euros out there who aren’t in T2:
They DO have them. Stop transferring to T1 and head to T2. The foundations have been built…. now come and let it flourish.

TC has : KH, Awe, xTyr, INVC, NAGA -> all oceanic/sea guilds – TC is the RP server and has a large pve community. If you want people to pve with during your wvw down time, TC has you covered. A lot of CD’s old asian community is now on TC. TC also has a solid militia force. No matter what time of day, there WILL be people out in WvW (eu prime time included).

FA has: uA, AVTR, NV, DPS, Meow, BKB -> all oceanic/sea guilds – If you’re oceanic, you should know that FA absorbed a lot of IoJ’s oceanic community. That includes several pvx/pve guilds which I did not list. And let’s not forget the asian community DPS/BKB (malaysians, filipinos) as well as quite a number of Japanese pvx guilds.

Both TC/FA have enough of their NA online during EU prime so if any euro guilds transfer to them, you won’t be alone. Some brave guilds just need to get the ball rolling. Take the first leap. Do what IRON did for SoR that eventually lead to KISS and AFTL moving over.

Have you faced any T1 in a while? Because if you have you know you need a queued map to hold off a determined T1 assault to stop the karma train. It’s the reality that it’s hard to get any PuGs into WvW outside of that night.

Often when defending against a T1 karma train (because I’ve done this a lot in TC for the week), you’ll defend hard against one mega blob and if you wipe them then mega blob #2 comes in during repairs and flips whatever you’re defending.

Very, very, very frustrating.

EQUALIZE T2!

Deli.1302:

And if Anet doesn’t change the leagues, here’s something you guys can do to encourage destacking:

How to kill T1 stacking via boredom: don’t let them karma train.
That’s what they do to keep themselves busy during blowout matches. Deny them that luxury and they have nothing. Of course, that means you can’t karma train as well but for the greater good….

Also, during NA prime time, consolidate ALL your forces into one map (or two). Let the other 2/3 maps be completely capped. They will find that there is only 1-2 maps with things to cap and people to fight. Agonizing queue times will be encountered as their entire wvw population tries to get into one map. Cue the queue QQs.

And for all the oceanics, asians and euros out there who aren’t in T2:
They DO have them. Stop transferring to T1 and head to T2. The foundations have been built…. now come and let it flourish.

TC has : KH, Awe, xTyr, INVC, NAGA -> all oceanic/sea guilds – TC is the RP server and has a large pve community. If you want people to pve with during your wvw down time, TC has you covered. A lot of CD’s old asian community is now on TC. TC also has a solid militia force. No matter what time of day, there WILL be people out in WvW (eu prime time included).

FA has: uA, AVTR, NV, DPS, Meow, BKB -> all oceanic/sea guilds – If you’re oceanic, you should know that FA absorbed a lot of IoJ’s oceanic community. That includes several pvx/pve guilds which I did not list. And let’s not forget the asian community DPS/BKB (malaysians, filipinos) as well as quite a number of Japanese pvx guilds.

Both TC/FA have enough of their NA online during EU prime so if any euro guilds transfer to them, you won’t be alone. Some brave guilds just need to get the ball rolling. Take the first leap. Do what IRON did for SoR that eventually lead to KISS and AFTL moving over.

ty deli. yeah we capped 1 tower today and sieged it up until it was siege caped. their megablob kept throuing insane numbers at us over and over but we ended up holding it for over an hour, which is a lot if u fight t1. but i agree if u wanna stop their stupid 60 man blob form attacking, just leave the map. they are usually spawncamping eb with 70 people but honestly just leave and go pve. do the new dungeon. if they cant fight or cap they will log off.
during oceanics they usually hold around 600 ppt. anet, how is that kitten fun?. anything else than t1 cannot fight t1. i wouldnt recommend anyone to go there as atm all u see is huge zergs of random guilds that flood the maps uncoordinatedly. there is only very few skilled t1 guilds that actually dont need the other 50 people to fight with them.

how do u think they are gonna get their achievement? they wont if they fight t2 and we refuse to givem caps during down times.
u wanna transfer, go t2 or lower. if i was to transfer out of t2 id go to a lower server t3 or t4. better fights, better skills, no massblobbing, not just chees warrior/guardian/necro trains that spam cc for the win. what u call a zerg in t3 is a havoc group in t1. o.0

It’s absolutely bizarre how after 14 months this issue only gets worse. Top servers get bigger and the bottom servers get smaller. It’s honestly the way the game is designed. All the incentives (transfer costs, balanced match ups, coverage, gold, WvW ranks, and apparently now leagues too) point to “go to T1”.

ArenaNet needs to be sittin down and thinking hard find ways to get people to move down tiers and fast instead of doing the opposite (ranks and leagues have only made the issue worse!).

Rank 3: Jade Quarry: 335 380
Rank 5: Fort Aspenwood: 102 384
Rank 7: Sea of Sorrows: 96 653 (Rank 6 next week)

ANet, if rank 3 is annihilating rank 5 and 6, rank 1 and 2 will do exactly the same, if not worse.

Thank you in advance for making Season 2 into four leagues, with BG SoR and JQ battling it out together as it should be.

Chris.3290:

Deli.1302:

And if Anet doesn’t change the leagues, here’s something you guys can do to encourage destacking:

How to kill T1 stacking via boredom: don’t let them karma train.
That’s what they do to keep themselves busy during blowout matches. Deny them that luxury and they have nothing. Of course, that means you can’t karma train as well but for the greater good….

Also, during NA prime time, consolidate ALL your forces into one map (or two). Let the other 2/3 maps be completely capped. They will find that there is only 1-2 maps with things to cap and people to fight. Agonizing queue times will be encountered as their entire wvw population tries to get into one map. Cue the queue QQs.

Have you faced any T1 in a while? Because if you have you know you need a queued map to hold off a determined T1 assault to stop the karma train. It’s the reality that it’s hard to get any PuGs into WvW outside of that night.

You do not stop the karma train, you give them nothing to take. You leave it mostly capped. Pick something to defend, defend the crap out of it and when it gets over-run bail out the back, quickly take another target, rinse and repeat. No train for them, all they get is being farmed while most of them sit in que waiting for their turn to be farmed.

Of course getting our own Karma train to not run around capping will be next to impossible, but Deli’s ideas are good ones none the less, and lets face it after a few days of pounding most of the karma train will take the week off anyways.

Have No Faith In Me.1840:

Rank 3: Jade Quarry: 335 380
Rank 5: Fort Aspenwood: 102 384
Rank 7: Sea of Sorrows: 96 653 (Rank 6 next week)

ANet, if rank 3 is annihilating rank 5 and 6, rank 1 and 2 will do exactly the same, if not worse.

Thank you in advance for making Season 2 into four leagues, with BG SoR and JQ battling it out together as it should be.

no one is gonna be left for season 2.
all u will have left is t1 and all other servers were absorbed by it. the servers that fell apart simply quit playing. 7 weeks of spawn camping is no fun.

also the class balance in wvw is a disaster but anet stated that they dont wanna split spvp and wvw balance. if my class doesent get the well deserved wvw buff and a certain godmode class gets nerfed, i dont see a reason why even playing. i chose this class i chose this server. i wanna play, have fun and have balance. anet failed with all those points atm.

i cant play as there is nothing but 70 man zergs on each and every map. u wanna cap something anf get portalbombed by a zerg even if u are only 5 people. is it fun. no. we are working so hard and have no chance. t1 buys our guilds and we will be facing this for 7 weeks or more. are the classes balances? no, not at all. its not fun being forced to be a veilbot because anet took all our aoe away while mass buffing a certain other godmode class.
anet u failed me soo much, can u please fix it? i used to have fun and couldnt wait to log in every day. now i feel weak on my mesmer(because u dont wanna put the effort into wvw balance separation form kitten SPVP esport kitten)and now all my class will get is a stupid mantra. im getting spawncamped by a t1 server and u even force me to do this for 7 weeks in a row.
hell kitten NO.

The real problem is the mentality of “we want fights so we’re moving up”. For a year this made some sense, but with the league starting and T2 getting caught up in this carnage it’s simply not true for non-NA prime time anymore. You will be PvDing for 7 weeks, and if you fight each other in a match up it’ll be the ultimate coverage war with no one to cover or double team in your “weaker” timezones. Fact is without a strong 3 server in your match ups it’ll be map jumping galore in a mad attempt to cap PPT to win the league. Less fights than ever before in T1.

selan.8354:

also the class balance in wvw is a disaster but anet stated that they dont wanna split spvp and wvw balance. if my class doesent get the well deserved wvw buff and a certain godmode class gets nerfed, i dont see a reason why even playing. i chose this class i chose this server. i wanna play, have fun and have balance. anet failed with all those points atm.

Class balance will never be perfect. While I am generally pretty negative about this game and about ANET in general, I think in this case they have done a pretty reasonable job at balancing and I like that they make a lot of little class changes rather then big sweeping changes once a year, like in say WAR.

Super Kruegs.8967:

The real problem is the mentality of “we want fights so we’re moving up”. For a year this made some sense, but with the league starting and T2 getting caught up in this carnage it’s simply not true for non-NA prime time anymore. You will be PvDing for 7 weeks, and if you fight each other in a match up it’ll be the ultimate coverage war with no one to cover or double team in your “weaker” timezones. Fact is without a strong 3 server in your match ups it’ll be map jumping galore in a mad attempt to cap PPT to win the league. Less fights than ever before in T1.

lots of truth in that. lets see if the bandwagoners are still happy when they cannot get their achievement chests because they are stuck in endless queues!

I think I remember reading something about “If we see a population decrease we have reason to do something about it” (paraphrased, of course). I really think, that if we continue on with having the top 6 servers fight each other, morale will decrease on the T2 servers and you may start losing even the more dedicated players. It’s quite demoralizing for players currently in T2, fighting a T1 server. I’ve spoken with a few people on my server (Sea of Sorrows), we’re all starting to feel beaten down and tired after just one week against a T1 server.

T2 servers are already starting to bleed guilds over to T1 already, imagine how bad it’ll get after we are stuck fighting against a T1 server every week. I can’t help but think a lot of the people who are stacking on the top 3 servers only want easy wins (because if they favoured competition it would make more sense to spread the population out over the 6 servers who would be in the gold league).

It’s not fun anymore. Playing against someone you KNOW will beat you with barely any competition is NOT fun. This is a game → Games should be fun. Please don’t take the fun out of WvW by making us play boring matches where the outcome is already known before we even start fighting.

It might even be too late for this solution to work if BG is starting to crack as well.

7 weeks of JQ and SoR beating up on each other and everybody else will be so much fun… in that “no fun at all” kind of way

SpiceTrader.1859:

I think I remember reading something about “If we see a population decrease we have reason to do something about it” (paraphrased, of course). I really think, that if we continue on with having the top 6 servers fight each other, morale will decrease on the T2 servers and you may start losing even the more dedicated players. It’s quite demoralizing for players currently in T2, fighting a T1 server. I’ve spoken with a few people on my server (Sea of Sorrows), we’re all starting to feel beaten down and tired after just one week against a T1 server.

T2 servers are already starting to bleed guilds over to T1 already, imagine how bad it’ll get after we are stuck fighting against a T1 server every week. I can’t help but think a lot of the people who are stacking on the top 3 servers only want easy wins (because if they favoured competition it would make more sense to spread the population out over the 6 servers who would be in the gold league).

It’s not fun anymore. Playing against someone you KNOW will beat you with barely any competition is NOT fun. This is a game -> Games should be fun. Please don’t take the fun out of WvW by making us play boring matches where the outcome is already known before we even start fighting.

yeah for us fa this is our 3rd week in a row vs t1 servers. it is very demoralizing. a lot of players are playing other games atm as they dont feel like leaving the server. it is not fun being spawn camped in eb and seeing that an other part of the zerg is doing the same to u guys (ty btw for flanking them once for us).

many people are tired of the endless zergs. when we come up with soemwhat even numbers in eb when jq has a little down moment=only 50 man zerg and not 70 man zerg, then we get to at least play the game a little.

but anet need to step in right now and fix this nonsense! dont pushfor the leagues in this state. u will destroy t2 servers like this

selan.8354:

then we get to at least play the game a little.

THIS. I’m generally not a complainer, I was fine with the random match-ups from the start. I didn’t even mind the orb buffs too much. But this is getting to the point where we can’t even get to play the game mode properly anymore. I just want to WvW and have fun with my guildies, servermates and friends. But, sadly, less and less people seem to be turning up in TS3 or showing up in the BL’s. It’s just getting more and more boring each passing day.

Anet dropped the ball on WvW population imbalances when they decided to keep free transfers open for 5 months longer than they promised when the game came out. It’s pretty clear a large overhaul is required to fix it, that anet doesn’t have the inkling of ever doing so, and this problem will go with this game to its grave.

melodey.4652:

Anet dropped the ball on WvW population imbalances when they decided to keep free transfers open for 5 months longer than they promised when the game came out. It’s pretty clear a large overhaul is required to fix it, that anet doesn’t have the inkling of ever doing so, and this problem will go with this game to its grave.

My hope is if we ring the bell enough, they’ll pay attention and finally get on it.

Luvpie.8350:

PS: I know you probably can’t do this before Season 1 but THINK about it atleast… Please try to do this for Season 2 and maybe reduce the duration of the season… 7 weeks of imbalanced Gold league will drive players away from game…

Your suggestions don’t fix the issue of stacking problem. Right now Anet has incentivized server stacking for coverage wars with their scoring system. Off hour coverage is low risk/low effort/high reward, which is terrible game design.

If Anet doesn’t change how matches are scored before Seasons start. The blowout predictions will happen, people will stop playing till seasons are over, and move on to other up coming games.

SpiceTrader.1859:

selan.8354:

then we get to at least play the game a little.

THIS. I’m generally not a complainer, I was fine with the random match-ups from the start. I didn’t even mind the orb buffs too much. But this is getting to the point where we can’t even get to play the game mode properly anymore. I just want to WvW and have fun with my guildies, servermates and friends. But, sadly, less and less people seem to be turning up in TS3 or showing up in the BL’s. It’s just getting more and more boring each passing day.

yep i feel u. i love running with my guild and we usually run in a smaller group and we love to get into fights, but with this t1 madness, we actually have to try to kite the zerg and avoid being discovered which is kitten the small map with 70 man zergs running around.
our ts i very very quite atm during oceanics as many many people dont even log on.
my guild is also feeling the boredom and are playing other games to compensate. and jq is not only capping and leaving, they stay there all the time and even build siege at eb spawn because they were bored.

and all they run is hammer/guardian/necro trains with a few eles as support….u run into a big blob mass cc condition bomb and get insta downed…man i even had 30 people chasing me after 50 people portalbombed us 5 plus the 1 cata we built……o.0
they are bored, we are bored….something needs to be done.

make maps bigger, create alliances. so for example if the current matchup is a blowout u could alliance with the other server. if FA could have an alliance with sos atm, jq would still beat us, but we could at least put up a fight. when im roaming in ebcamouflaged with my cat tonic(XD, u wont believe how many zergers thing u actually are a rangerpet) and see jq trying to take sos’s last eb tower ogrewatch, i go and place a supply trap behind the jq zerg so whe they come out of pangloss they hit it. not much but good for laughs.
but it would be great to be able to join forces with them. seriously sos and fa together would at least have a blast.
please anet make alliances during blowout matchups happen!

lets say 1 server has a certain lead over both of the other servers, it would trigger a voting system for the losing servers if they wanted to join forces. boom, done.

Lower map population caps and allow free transfers off of T1 servers while locking T1 from incoming transfers for one week.

Problem solved; good fight, good night.

Chris.3290:

Lower map population caps and allow free transfers off of T1 servers while locking T1 from incoming transfers for one week.

Problem solved; good fight, good night.

Then you’ll just have an organized transfer to another server situation… been there done that cough, cough Kaineng cough, cough

Traxien Cion.9261:

TC does not want this. Every match up we’d have would be a 100k+ stomp that’d kill our server.

I’d like to see a matchup of TC, FA, and either SoS or Mag this coming week. I’m not convinced that TC is as strong anymore with the various guild moves and breakups.

style.6173:

Traxien Cion.9261:

TC does not want this. Every match up we’d have would be a 100k+ stomp that’d kill our server.

I’d like to see a matchup of TC, FA, and either SoS or Mag this coming week. I’m not convinced that TC is as strong anymore with the various guild moves and breakups.

It’d be interesting to see for sure…

My fear is we will still draw queues on that kind of match while remaining borderline outnumbered against T1 opponents :P

style.6173:

Traxien Cion.9261:

TC does not want this. Every match up we’d have would be a 100k+ stomp that’d kill our server.

I’d like to see a matchup of TC, FA, and either SoS or Mag this coming week. I’m not convinced that TC is as strong anymore with the various guild moves and breakups.

I’d like to see this, especially with Novus off of FA

^ Not sarcasm, I’d really like to fight FA and see if the servers are becoming more even-footed in T2.

This is what should have happened when they decided against 12-server leagues. At least under 12-server leagues each server had a much lower chance of playing T1, and the boredom of rolling terrible matchups all the time would have encouraged T1 servers to destack (stacked T1 is the FUNDAMENTAL problem with the WvW ladder).

Under the new kittened system those in #4-5-6 are emptying out because they will get approximately ONE close matchup per season. If you want to segregate the top “few” servers, that number should be THREE.