Guild Wars 2

If you arent on the server whos winning and you are thinking of giving up ppt to let them go to tier 1, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A BAD TIME.

If you think your current situation is bad imagine if a real tier 1 server drops to your tier, if i was you i would 1vs2 them and push hard because if you let a tier 1 server drops its gg!

It will be fun to witness. I almost want to drop an alt account onto FA or SoS to see the carnage first hand.

I think even with a SoS/FA alliance there isn’t enough people to 2v1 more than one map.

I really wish FA and SoS would double team us. Those of us that have been on YB since the beginning aren’t happy about the current state of things either. The T1 blob guilds that came down ruined things for everyone and personally i wish they’d never come down. You not only have them, but also the pve fairweather karma trainers that only come out when we’re winning. it was so much more fun when odds were even. You guys should double team the hell out of us and hopefully all the pvers will rage quit and the T1 bandwagon leechers will leave when they realize they cant push us up to T1. I personally have no desire to go to T1 and never have and i keep hoping we’ll implode soon so we can actually have decent evenly matched fights again.

T1 gets bored so they decide to try to push a t2 server up which in turn causes a mass of gvg guilds to leave from all 3 t2 servers to t3, ruining what t3 had in the process. They screwed everyone over just cuz they were bored.

It might be fun to go out, but as soon as we wipe one YB group, three guild groups come on the map and retake everything.

It’s rare that we even get the chance to paper one of your T3 keeps. We’re lucky to drop a gate and before we start hitting inner there’s the map blob to wipe us and repair outer. After the guild groups show up we’ll switch to another map and the scouts you leave in the T3 towers will bring in the same guild groups.

It’s much easier for you to destack your server than for us to organize a 2v1.

kefro.9312:

If you arent on the server whos winning and you are thinking of giving up ppt to let them go to tier 1, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A BAD TIME.

If you think your current situation is bad imagine if a real tier 1 server drops to your tier, if i was you i would 1vs2 them and push hard because if you let a tier 1 server drops its gg!

Says someone from t1 perhaps and not SOS/fa?

kefro.9312:

If you arent on the server whos winning and you are thinking of giving up ppt to let them go to tier 1, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A BAD TIME.

If you think your current situation is bad imagine if a real tier 1 server drops to your tier, if i was you i would 1vs2 them and push hard because if you let a tier 1 server drops its gg!

Not sure what the point is with your post.

1. Everyone knows it’s going to be bad that’s why 15+ guilds have already left the tier.
2. FA and SoS have had a long rivalry that wouldn’t allow an alliance for very long, they tried multiple times.
3. YB is over stacked, the T1 guilds moved there to break the T1 barrier whether it was going to take 3 weeks or 3 months.
4. Don’t worry eventually FA and SoS will drop to T3 and two unlucky T3 servers will take their place and the blob cycle will continue.
5. YB destroyed T2 finally, congratulations, you won the game.

Swamurabi.7890:

It might be fun to go out, but as soon as we wipe one YB group, three guild groups come on the map and retake everything.

It’s rare that we even get the chance to paper one of your T3 keeps. We’re lucky to drop a gate and before we start hitting inner there’s the map blob to wipe us and repair outer. After the guild groups show up we’ll switch to another map and the scouts you leave in the T3 towers will bring in the same guild groups.

It’s much easier for you to destack your server than for us to organize a 2v1.

I guess you’re right. I’ve been trying to make the t1 guilds feel as unwelcome as possible and im pretty sure they all have me blocked by now. i think they got tired of me calling them bandwagon leeches and telling them to go f themselves for ruining t2. The only people really left running around in yb now are the t1 blobs and our pvers that want karma. there’s very few of us roaming around now looking for fights because if we do manage to find an even fight, the t1 guilds swoop in and run everyone over. alot of us hate them as much as im sure SoS and FA do. I still stubbornly roam around on the borderlands hoping to run into other roamers, but when i do find someone to fight, the blob usually shows up and runs them over. its not fun for me anymore. 1 person tries to take one of our camps or fight one of us and 30+ show up to kill them. its sickening.

When my guild was running around back when T2 was the place for fights, we’d pass by roamers (squirrels) and I always wondered what that other player was thinking as 20-30 people ran by them like they were an ambient mob.

I saw three YB guild groups chase a single player, all jumping around. I usually cheer/laugh when I see stuff like that.

The OP reminds me of the scene from the life of Brian where the guy about to be stoned to death started saying Jehovah.

The priest said you are only making worse for yourself.

Condemned guy: Really? Make it worse for myself?

But seriously, those who remain on SOS and FA will figure out what is best for them and their server. Consideration for the other tiers is not really a high priority at this point.

People seem to have this notion that T1 still means long queues and giant super-blobs but that just isn’t the case anymore. T1 queues are small or non-existent. The blobs from each server just take turns karma training (I’ve never seen Garrisons flip so easily and often as they do now). There are times when a server has virtually nobody on on almost any map. I don’t think there would be any noticeable different for FA and SoS to face a current T1 server for a week.

Well odds are T3 may become over pop. and you will see a die off to guild coming back to T2. There this weird cycle of ppl move and it tends to happen the same way over and over.

In all fairness, FA and SoS have tried to double-team YB – not on purpose, but by playing the map. There’s even been situations where SoS has opened a tower and let FA take it while SoS fights off the YB mega blob. The problem, however, is that if SoS or FA attempts to take anything on a map from an evenly matched YB group, that YB group whines in TS that someone is trying to take a precious camp and a full map queue will show up to take down 20 people. That’s why no one wants to bother and would rather let YB get fat on cake and exit the tier. It’s true that whatever T1 server comes down will be bored and do the same thing, but at this point the guilds that dropped down have ruined 9 servers in the process so it’s worthless to play right now. All the guilds I followed or were in have left for lower tiers except one, and I can only follow on days I don’t have to wake up early because it’s a PST/OCX guild. The remaining players on FA and SoS do try to find fights where they can, but YB just bunkers down in 80 million arrowcarts and doesn’t want to fight so… I play dungeons mostly. Stacking on a boss is a better fight at the moment.

On the plus side, FA went to “very high” and SoS to “high”. Somewhere someone in one of those YB guilds is crying that YB shouldn’t be “full” but alas, those map queues are quite clear as to why that is the case.

T3 is tanking hard, so FA/SoS will not drop as easy as people think. Be ready for more weeks and weeks of miserable WvW. This is a kittening mess and will take a long time to fix.

Problems with suggestion
1) At this stage this might no longer be possible as both FA and SoS seems to be deserted in WvW most of the time. Like really deserted. People get out of the safe area, get stomped by a huge zerg and leave.
2) What will this accomplish? It will take a huge amount of effort to coordinate and maintain, and at best it’ll result in stalemate where neither YB will move up, nor FA/SoS will move down.
3) It really doesn’t matter whether it’s YB or a T1 server at this point. Most of the time its YBvD karma train anyway.
4) From the point of view of FA/SoS its better to drop down to T3/4 and rebuild. At this point I don’t think either server is even going to be able to hold their own in T3, the maps look that empty.
5) Lack of participation in WvW should make server populations drop making them more competitive in the future.

So yeah, upper tiers of NA WvW are in for a long bumpy ride unless either YB or a T1 server implodes.

Nikkinella.8254:

Swamurabi.7890:

It might be fun to go out, but as soon as we wipe one YB group, three guild groups come on the map and retake everything.

It’s rare that we even get the chance to paper one of your T3 keeps. We’re lucky to drop a gate and before we start hitting inner there’s the map blob to wipe us and repair outer. After the guild groups show up we’ll switch to another map and the scouts you leave in the T3 towers will bring in the same guild groups.

It’s much easier for you to destack your server than for us to organize a 2v1.

I guess you’re right. I’ve been trying to make the t1 guilds feel as unwelcome as possible and im pretty sure they all have me blocked by now. i think they got tired of me calling them bandwagon leeches and telling them to go f themselves for ruining t2. The only people really left running around in yb now are the t1 blobs and our pvers that want karma. there’s very few of us roaming around now looking for fights because if we do manage to find an even fight, the t1 guilds swoop in and run everyone over. alot of us hate them as much as im sure SoS and FA do. I still stubbornly roam around on the borderlands hoping to run into other roamers, but when i do find someone to fight, the blob usually shows up and runs them over. its not fun for me anymore. 1 person tries to take one of our camps or fight one of us and 30+ show up to kill them. its sickening.

Having been around the GvG scene… the toxic map chat I’ve been hearing about on YB rivals anything I’ve ever seen or heard out of the fight guilds, and those guys could really rile up a borderland. Sorry that you feel the way most of us do; our anger is less directed at most YB natives and instead at guilds who fancy themselves to be the gods of WvW and want to tell everyone else what to do and how to play.

So ATM, neither SoS or FA is full. In fact SOS has dropped to “high”

Why is there no concerted effort to stack these servers out of balance; I thought there was a sentiment to break the t1 wall for more variety. Or is variety just having 4 stacked servers overrun the other two and deciding which is the fourth one?

The current WvW population on SoS is equivalent to that of FC or SF NA prime from about a year ago + some OCX.

A-Nets system is extremely misleading as this server is not even close to being “high” its actually just below medium at this point. Same as as ET and DR are indicated as “medium” but are actually very low.

Many people are quitting WvW or game altogether, including some decent commanders which is a real blow.

Congrats Yak’s bend, you have won. now we have even less people in WvW.

Boysenberry.1869:

People seem to have this notion that T1 still means long queues and giant super-blobs but that just isn’t the case anymore. T1 queues are small or non-existent. The blobs from each server just take turns karma training (I’ve never seen Garrisons flip so easily and often as they do now). There are times when a server has virtually nobody on on almost any map. I don’t think there would be any noticeable different for FA and SoS to face a current T1 server for a week.

This person knows.

TC and BG are small. They are significantly smaller than YB, we need to get past this notion that because they are in T1 they have lots of players. They are in T1 because glicko forces them to stay there, but both servers have shrunk to the point they no longer have queues.

JQ is really the only bloated server left and their excess is in off-hours period, they have virtually no one playing during NA. Honestly, every T1 server would be a better fit in T2 than YB.

ArchonWing.9480:

So ATM, neither SoS or FA is full. In fact SOS has dropped to “high”

Why is there no concerted effort to stack these servers out of balance; I thought there was a sentiment to break the t1 wall for more variety. Or is variety just having 4 stacked servers overrun the other two and deciding which is the fourth one?

Because there aren’t 4 stacked servers, there are 2 stacked servers: JQ/YB…… BG/TC are virtually dead, neither server can queue map except for reset where they can queue 1.

ArchonWing.9480:

So ATM, neither SoS or FA is full. In fact SOS has dropped to “high”

Why is there no concerted effort to stack these servers out of balance; I thought there was a sentiment to break the t1 wall for more variety. Or is variety just having 4 stacked servers overrun the other two and deciding which is the fourth one?

It has been traditionally difficult to attract guilds to a tier that is very unbalanced.

kefro.9312:

If you arent on the server whos winning and you are thinking of giving up ppt to let them go to tier 1, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A BAD TIME.

If you think your current situation is bad imagine if a real tier 1 server drops to your tier, if i was you i would 1vs2 them and push hard because if you let a tier 1 server drops its gg!

I’m on TC. My brother is on FA. Sometimes I play his account. Yb is running larger zergs than Jq and much larger than anything I’ve seen from Bg or even Tc. The funny thing is I prefer Tier 1 because it’s easier than Tier 2 and has been. Siege up and bunker down against the Jq blob. Bg and Jq are bros and right now seems Bg lost so many that they are getting a bit of help. In Tier 2 there used to be more open field fights and when Db was in the mix at least you had different matchups every now and then.

To be honest if Yb and Jq were in Tier 1 it would be great. No deals, just fights. If Tc goes down then I see them Fa and Sos having great fights like tier 2 used to have. Fa has no Ocx and Sos has decent Ocx so it would be fun. But if Bg goes down then I think they will get hammered. No more protection.

Boysenberry.1869:

People seem to have this notion that T1 still means long queues and giant super-blobs but that just isn’t the case anymore. T1 queues are small or non-existent. The blobs from each server just take turns karma training (I’ve never seen Garrisons flip so easily and often as they do now). There are times when a server has virtually nobody on on almost any map. I don’t think there would be any noticeable different for FA and SoS to face a current T1 server for a week.

I totally agree. The rarified air of Tier 1 is a farce. I’m on Tc and my bro is on Fa. It’s easier on Tc. There were times on Fa when he had Qs of 140 for eb and 40s plus for the Bls. Never like that on Tc. And now with the mindless Yb blob not allowing you to breathe anywhere in the matchup its so much easier in Tier 1.

Fa could have been Tier 1 when they rolled Tier 2 for months. They are a great fight server or were. Not big on siege which is paramount for Tier 1 but they would have learned. Yb is and was all about siege so if they move up, and they should, they would fall back into the siege capped towers and open field fight siege.

But as for anyone thinking Tier 1 is so much better, nope it ain’t. I’ve played for three years and other servers. They just keep it fixed like the wizard had his curtain drawn. Once Toto exposed the wizard then all hell broke loose lol

Nikkinella.8254:

T1 gets bored so they decide to try to push a t2 server up which in turn causes a mass of gvg guilds to leave from all 3 t2 servers to t3, ruining what t3 had in the process. They screwed everyone over just cuz they were bored.

i lof so hard LEL

Jarrix.8234:

TC and BG are small. They are significantly smaller than YB, we need to get past this notion that because they are in T1 they have lots of players. They are in T1 because glicko forces them to stay there, but both servers have shrunk to the point they no longer have queues.

JQ is really the only bloated server left and their excess is in off-hours period, they have virtually no one playing during NA. Honestly, every T1 server would be a better fit in T2 than YB.

Justify the statement that JQ is bloated cause it isn’t true. JQ has the smallest NA out of the 4 top servers, we are strong in other timezones but even in SEA BG has been doing very well lately. In fact the last few weeks appear to show BG still has a huge latent population that simply hadn’t been coming out.

YB would be roflstomp in T1. Simple as that. Everything those T1 guilds achieved in YB is one week of pvd and one week of being spawn camped.

This shouldn’t even be possible. Take a look at this and then maybe someone will realise how broken T2 really is..

https://i.gyazo.com/0c8b77a83aec7b76cd050ad5ed95f074.png

http://imgur.com/SKwOkaY

TwistedFate.8705:

This shouldn’t even be possible. Take a look at this and then maybe someone will realise how broken T2 really is..

https://i.gyazo.com/0c8b77a83aec7b76cd050ad5ed95f074.png

Interesting estimated population where does this come from?

It’s going to take some time before T2 gets back to how it was months ago. People need to understand that it’s not YB’s fault for destroying T2/or WvW in general. The people in Fort Aspenwood and Sea of Sorrows chose to leave. Now, if those suckers would’ve still been around then yes T2 would’ve still been fun. The guilds from T1 chose to come to YB on their own. We didn’t want them here, we never asked for them to come and no we didn’t pay a single gold/silver/copper to bring those guys. Some people in YB don’t like the idea of moving up to T1, and others do prefer to move up to T1. Yaks Bend knows they’re going to get stomped in Tier1 and they’re ready/preparing for it, it’s not going to be an easy fight. Now, I’ve been in YB for a long time and I’ve witnessed 2v1 matches and oh boy, YB sure knows how to defend themselves, even when our numbers were very low. I honestly don’t get why YB gets so much hate.

JDilla.3150:

The guilds from T1 chose to come to YB on their own … and no we didn’t pay a single gold/silver/copper to bring those guys.

Sounds like you should read this:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Matchup-wishlist/page/7#post5372018

“Yes, it was YB guilds and players who helped to fund our move over. "

Which is fine. Lots of servers do it.

The end days are near!!!
It only takes one tier1 server to drop to your tier and all your wvw is lost!

JDilla.3150:

The people in Fort Aspenwood and Sea of Sorrows chose to leave. Now, if those suckers would’ve still been around then yes T2 would’ve still been fun.

Consider that the GvG guilds on YB could no longer raid due to the queues and GvG guilds don’t necessarily care about which server they are on outside of a tier’s ability to be a good place for fights. So the entire scene packed up and left. If they had stayed, no, it would not have been fun for any of them, especially the GvG guilds on YB.

So-called “fights tier” requires servers to cultivate good action in multiple timezones, have minimal NA queues outside of reset, and militia commanders/zergs doing a mix of PPT and fights so that GvG players don’t get bored outside of their raids.

RIP BG…
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Welp have fun yb! gonna be nice to get some fresh fights in T2 finally!!

Wow it happened but it is BG that went down, feel sorry for FA and SOS

ArchonWing.9480:

So ATM, neither SoS or FA is full. In fact SOS has dropped to “high”

Why is there no concerted effort to stack these servers out of balance; I thought there was a sentiment to break the t1 wall for more variety. Or is variety just having 4 stacked servers overrun the other two and deciding which is the fourth one?

Just about every fight guild left FA and SoS has mostly done the same once the kittenters from T1 came to YB.

Chaba.5410:

JDilla.3150:

The guilds from T1 chose to come to YB on their own … and no we didn’t pay a single gold/silver/copper to bring those guys.

Sounds like you should read this:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Matchup-wishlist/page/7#post5372018

“Yes, it was YB guilds and players who helped to fund our move over. "

Which is fine. Lots of servers do it.

Hey Chaba, thanks for the reply. I’ve read somewhere in the YB forums mentioning that none of the YB’ers helped fund the new transfers. But if it did happen then that’s fine, and yeah just about every server does it.

JDilla.3150:

It’s going to take some time before T2 gets back to how it was months ago. People need to understand that it’s not YB’s fault for destroying T2/or WvW in general. The people in Fort Aspenwood and Sea of Sorrows chose to leave. Now, if those suckers would’ve still been around then yes T2 would’ve still been fun. The guilds from T1 chose to come to YB on their own. We didn’t want them here, we never asked for them to come and no we didn’t pay a single gold/silver/copper to bring those guys. Some people in YB don’t like the idea of moving up to T1, and others do prefer to move up to T1. Yaks Bend knows they’re going to get stomped in Tier1 and they’re ready/preparing for it, it’s not going to be an easy fight. Now, I’ve been in YB for a long time and I’ve witnessed 2v1 matches and oh boy, YB sure knows how to defend themselves, even when our numbers were very low. I honestly don’t get why YB gets so much hate.

You are wrong.
It is YB’s fault. T2 wasn’t fun after the YB stack even before the guilds quit. Not only YB leadership had meetings with the T1 guilds before they moving, but YB did pay partially for their transfers.
I’m not even in T1 or T2, but its pretty clear whose fault is.

all i can say is..t1 yesterday was one of the most fun reset nights in a few months…
laughed hard plenty of times and had some 3 way fights..something that never happens when BG and JQ are on same tier…
thats really awesome..

lmperdigao.2567:

JDilla.3150:

It’s going to take some time before T2 gets back to how it was months ago. People need to understand that it’s not YB’s fault for destroying T2/or WvW in general. The people in Fort Aspenwood and Sea of Sorrows chose to leave. Now, if those suckers would’ve still been around then yes T2 would’ve still been fun. The guilds from T1 chose to come to YB on their own. We didn’t want them here, we never asked for them to come and no we didn’t pay a single gold/silver/copper to bring those guys. Some people in YB don’t like the idea of moving up to T1, and others do prefer to move up to T1. Yaks Bend knows they’re going to get stomped in Tier1 and they’re ready/preparing for it, it’s not going to be an easy fight. Now, I’ve been in YB for a long time and I’ve witnessed 2v1 matches and oh boy, YB sure knows how to defend themselves, even when our numbers were very low. I honestly don’t get why YB gets so much hate.

You are wrong.
It is YB’s fault. T2 wasn’t fun after the YB stack even before the guilds quit. Not only YB leadership had meetings with the T1 guilds before they moving, but YB did pay partially for their transfers.
I’m not even in T1 or T2, but its pretty clear whose fault is.

YB needs to realize that the only way they are going to get matches worth playing is to destack down to VERY HIGH level to balance out the population between FA/SoS/YB. YB can’t get any more players to be competitive in T1. Your alliance got you into a T1 match but you can’t compete.

FA and SoS are to the point where if nobody shows up they won’t lose much glicko, whether its a matchup with YB or one of the T1 servers.

T2 will be stuck with FA/SoS/YB and there’s only one way for it to be fixed.

WvW is just bad.

2+ years and Anet can’t figure the imbalances out? Please.

I mean, seriously…. TWO kitten"N YEARS and you can’t get it right? Really?

I dont understand why this tier9 quality server came to tier1, did the other servers let them win?

Amins.3710:

WvW is just bad.

2+ years and players can’t figure the imbalances out? Please.

I mean, seriously…. TWO kitten"N YEARS and we can’t get it right? Really?

Fixed that for you.

It would appear that T1’s “talent” is to double team and supply troll. At one point last night YB with 50+ deep queues on all maps we could only hold 1 camp on our borderlands. Meanwhile a supply troll was building flame rams along the upper wall of the only tower we were holding in EBG.

Double teaming has been one of the issues that has been considered fair play in the world of war.

That being said, expect to continue seeing that, but the seige supply trolls.. report them

No one was double teaming you. In fact there was a few times in the raid last night that we actually tried to help YB keep their hills from JQ. First night in T1 and you guys are complaining about being double teamed? I agree with what Swarmurbi.7890 said above, your alliance got you into T1 but you cant compete.

for real?? the server comes up to t1 after what? 1 year of stacked up t1. and 12 hours later is already crying for double teamed??
grow up kid…
it’s the same when you go with your other 13 year old buddies to the kinder garden and some random group of strangers come join the playtime..
you will instantly want to give them a “wellcome”
thats what happened..
you were the “NEW FIGURE” on t1.. everyone excpet you have been fighting each other for 1 year+… so they decided for at least some hours to go check your capabilities..
and you just proved it:
when you have something besides npcs to fight.. you gonna cry…
there was no double team at any time..there was some big fights and 3 way fights..and if you knew T1 from before you joined..you would know that 3 way fights just DIDN’T happen at all..
so please…grow up..get a pair of balls..and fight..stop crying…or destack and and move down a few tiers…
if you cant handle pressure..don’t step up to fight…