Guild Wars 2

First of all, this is NOT a matchup thread. It address the general problem of T2/T3 matchups.

The four servers ranked 4 – 7 have fewer than 20 ratings points between them. The server ranked 8th has more than 250 ratings points fewer than these four.

This means that every week, one of the four is set up with two servers that are extremely overmatched. And because of the small ratings gap between them, it’s basically a toss-up which one of the four gets a boring week.

There is something that players can do to fix this problem: choose one of the four and focus it every single week until its ratings drop to the point that it has significantly more chance of ending up in the T3 matchup.

Which one should be sacrificed? Maybe the one who tower-humps the most? Maybe the one who has the most rude players? Maybe the one that emote-spams the most. It doesn’t matter… but make your alliance now or you may be the target.

TLDR: push one of the T2 servers permanently into T3 by focussing it every week. Within one month it will implode and fall permanently out of T2.

I’m just going to say this now -

This plan only solves the issue of the 4 server rotation in and out of T2. Forcing one of these servers out of the tier, is not going to balance T3.

um, isnt this what the t2 servers have been doing to themselves for awhile now? See the problem with organized double teaming is, that it will come back to bite you in the kitten

The answer is no because

1) the playerbase is divided on which server to focus
2) the playerbase does not all agree on the concept of balance

Are we sure the problem isn’t rampant fundraising and guild buying by certain un-named servers that can’t seem to compete?

Chairface.9036:

Are we sure the problem isn’t rampant fundraising and guild buying by certain un-named servers that can’t seem to compete?

So what you’re saying is DB should have stayed in T3 so that SoS guilds would not have had a reason to leave and stack into FA, DB, and YB.

Chaba.5410:

Chairface.9036:

Are we sure the problem isn’t rampant fundraising and guild buying by certain un-named servers that can’t seem to compete?

So what you’re saying is DB should have stayed in T3 so that SoS guilds would not have had a reason to leave and stack into FA, DB, and YB.

i see what you did there chaba… i sees it.

Heh, well Chairface doesn’t seem to be familiar with the history of server and guild movements that are having a direct impact on decisions guilds make today.

What Lord Kuru said is basically what has already been happening. But it is silly to try to intentionally implode another server by putting them into a T3 match and expect that players on that server are just going to roll over and die.

Chaba.5410:

Heh, well Chairface doesn’t seem to be familiar with the history of server and guild movements that are having a direct impact on decisions guilds make today.

What Lord Kuru said is basically what has already been happening. But it is silly to try to intentionally implode another server by putting them into a T3 match and expect that players on that server are just going to roll over and die.

The only thing I don’t get is why people who say they don’t like PPT, and will not participate in PPT, would decide to move to the #4,5,6 ranked server, other than greed.. wanting to have your zergs and eat them too. Much easier to fix matchups in T3 or lower, or T1 I suppose.

I’ve got a solution as well. You could throw 2v1 to the designated T2 server to massively inflate their rating and get them into the T1 rotation. Meanwhile, the other 2 servers try to lower the ratings of the T1 server week after week, but making sure the second designated server wins every week to try and get them into T1 also. After this point, all bets are off. Down with the T1 Hegemony!!!!

(this is not a real solution)

As bad as tourneys are, I am interested to see how fa would fare. They have gained a lot of peeps – and not all NA prime. They always were a strong server anyway And now they appear to be the t 1.5 server.

Hamster.4861:

I’m just going to say this now -

This plan only solves the issue of the 4 server rotation in and out of T2. Forcing one of these servers out of the tier, is not going to balance T3.

It’ll help balance T3 because the server that goes down will likely implode.

Chaba.5410:

The answer is no because

1) the playerbase is divided on which server to focus
2) the playerbase does not all agree on the concept of balance

Two servers agreeing on which server to focus is probably enough. Maybe even one, but that’d take longer.

As for it not being easy… a month of doubleteams will probably take its toll on the victim server: they may be able to hold out a bit, but burnout will inevitably come with all the overtime put in.

I think DB is scared of the SAC teenage mutant turtles so that won’t work w/ DB in the picture.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Two servers agreeing on which server to focus is probably enough.

But there’s four servers.

Look at yourself t2. You were complaining about t1 guild buying , doubleteaming, rating obsessed state. You are now the same , buying guilds to the point where your full state is a problem, 2vs1s , match fixing ,queues……

Every t2 server right now is a sad t1 replica.
What you need to do is destack every of those servers higher than t3.

Dream In A Dream.7213:

What you need to do is destack every of those servers higher than t3.

You can’t destack off-hours players. Spreading them out into far more servers than they have total population for ruins the WvW experience for them. They really need their own set of servers. Literally, the only reason NA servers are in a higher tier has a lot to do with off-hours than with NA.

Coming from a T2 we HATE fighting t3. Just no fun for anyone. We steam roll em. Last month we have come in first place, buy quite a bit, and the still throw us on T3. Makes no sense.

Chaba.5410:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Two servers agreeing on which server to focus is probably enough.

But there’s four servers.

Yes, three agreeing to beat up on one server would work for sure…
but I think two agreeing to double team the same one would be sufficient. It’d take a bit longer because of matchup variances, but in the end, it’d still do it.

It’s not so much that T2 hates one specific server, it’s that before guilds transferred to YB from tier 1 there was barely any siege being built. I transferred from Blackgate to FA back in 2013 because I was tired of fighting with and losing against siege.

When the tier 1 guilds transferred, they brought their heavy siege style gameplay and it’s slowly being adapted into T2. One of the main problem guilds recently transferred back to tier 1, yet the playstyle they brought is still here.

I feel like T2 has never been about PPT except for the last few months. We understand siege is a great mechanic to secure victory especially with smaller numbers, but that doesn’t change the fact that using it and having it used against you is dull.

As for your solution, this has been tried multiple times already. My server (Fort Aspenwood) was the highest Glicko server in tier 2, but instead of us staying in tier 2 we were moved down by freak chance to tier 3. We are not having fun, tier 3 is not having fun. There are clear number advantages not to mention coverage. IoJ and NSP aren’t showing up, meaning that there aren’t fights. I feel like the situation will truly defuse itself when the new leagues are starting, people will transfer to get first place rewards and hopefully that will cause the servers to balance themselves out. Patience is key here, underhanded tactics such as focusing one server have been tried and tried again. It won’t solve anything, and definitely will not stabilize overnight.

eureka.3069:

When the tier 1 guilds transferred, they brought their heavy siege style gameplay and it’s slowly being adapted into T2. One of the main problem guilds recently transferred back to tier 1, yet the playstyle they brought is still here.

I feel like T2 has never been about PPT except for the last few months. We understand siege is a great mechanic to secure victory especially with smaller numbers, but that doesn’t change the fact that using it and having it used against you is dull.

You appear to be having a bit of difficulty discerning the difference between subjective opinion, and objective fact. You, personally may not enjoy it. That doesn’t mean that others do not enjoy the war like tactic’s, and strategy in fighting beyond that of herding a zerg alone.

coglin.1867:

eureka.3069:

When the tier 1 guilds transferred, they brought their heavy siege style gameplay and it’s slowly being adapted into T2. One of the main problem guilds recently transferred back to tier 1, yet the playstyle they brought is still here.

I feel like T2 has never been about PPT except for the last few months. We understand siege is a great mechanic to secure victory especially with smaller numbers, but that doesn’t change the fact that using it and having it used against you is dull.

You appear to be having a bit of difficulty discerning the difference between subjective opinion, and objective fact. You, personally may not enjoy it. That doesn’t mean that others do not enjoy the war like tactic’s, and strategy in fighting beyond that of herding a zerg alone.

There are differences between ‘herding a zerg’ and ‘fighting with your class and synergizing with your group’. There is also a difference between sieging a keep to defend it and building arrow carts in open field fights. Perhaps myself and everyone I associate with ingame is wrong, but is it not more rewarding to work with a group to achieve your results instead of alternating between the buttons 1, 2 and 3?

The issue is that T2 didn’t do this before recently, but this isn’t the topic of the thread. Topic here is stacking two servers against one server, which happened as recently as last week. It’s too hard to maintain and without everyone on board it doesn’t work. It’s not that easy to fix.

eureka.3069:

As for your solution, this has been tried multiple times already. My server (Fort Aspenwood) was the highest Glicko server in tier 2, but instead of us staying in tier 2 we were moved down by freak chance to tier 3. We are not having fun, tier 3 is not having fun. There are clear number advantages not to mention coverage. IoJ and NSP aren’t showing up, meaning that there aren’t fights. I feel like the situation will truly defuse itself when the new leagues are starting, people will transfer to get first place rewards and hopefully that will cause the servers to balance themselves out. Patience is key here, underhanded tactics such as focusing one server have been tried and tried again. It won’t solve anything, and definitely will not stabilize overnight.

• The rating difference between the four T2 servers is only around 20 points. With such a small gap, it’s not surprising at all FA was the one that got randomized into the T3 matchup. To prevent this, you need the ratings difference between your server and the number four T2 server to be as large as possible.

• It’s pretty hard for NSP to show up when the matchup is FA-IoJ-SBI. NSP got randomized into the T4 matchup. In fact, NSP is almost 100 ratings points above the servers it got matched up with. Contrast this with the small 20 difference between FA and and SoS.

• We’ve had 3 tournaments. We’ve already seen that they don’t cause the population to balance out. They create bandwagon servers that rise through the ranks overnight and then collapse just as fast. However, a tournament might solve the problem for a completely different reason: there will be a rush for the T2 servers to tank into silver league; tanking always causes internal strife between servermates; perhaps one server will implode from this?

• The alternative is to do nothing and have a roughly one in four chance of ending up in a faceroll matchup every reset.

You T2 servers need to get real. Stop being kitten (looking at you DB) and start thinking in the long term. In the end it’ll be the 3 servers with the best coverage that remain in T2 and the 4th will drop down the tiers. Think long term. SoS might look like it’s the weakest right now but they have a natural ocx population and come expansion it’s gonna balloon in size. Same thing with DB and their SEA. Those two servers are inevitably going to be in T2 in the future.

So now you look at FA and YB. Look at their histories. Which one, historically, has been stronger? Which ones numbers will rise more once expansion hits? Which one has better coverage right now? And of their coverage, which one is ACTUAL coverage and not artificial coverage caused by people playing 24 hours straight? Artificial coverage diminishes faster than real coverage because of burnout.

So you set it out plainly:
- Which server has the best coverage at the moment: FA or DB
- Which server has natural off peak population: DB, SoS and maybe FA (FA ocx was massive in the past and now that they’ve absorbed all of IoJ’s ocx on two separate occasions, they can easily market their server for other potential ocx players/guilds)
- Which of FA or YB has historically had higher coverage: FA

There’s your answer. And it’s already happening. SG (i.e. their pst coverage) is leaving. cA (i.e. 50% of their SEA) is bored and transferring back to T1. That means their remaining coverage lives and dies with NA overtime. That won’t last. No matter how many days they can pull 12 hour shifts, they will always reach a point where they have to stop. And you know that’s already happening because they got 3rd place two weeks in a row.

Stop dilly-dallying. Get kitten done. You want your fights? Purge the server that brought the siege humping, over timing and ppt kitten to the tier. It helps that more than half of their NA will transfer off immediately as well.

tym.3791:

Coming from a T2 we HATE fighting t3. Just no fun for anyone. We steam roll em. Last month we have come in first place, buy quite a bit, and the still throw us on T3. Makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense. Just look at the ratings. The ratings gap between server number 4 and server number 7 was only 25 points at the end of the last matchup. That makes it basically a toss-up which of the four gets put into the T3 matchup.

So if T2 does nothing to address the problem, then your server — every week — ends up with a one in four chance of a bad matchup; or, put another way, it’s roughly a 70% chance you get a T3 matchup at least once every month.

Sharpoon.8197:

You T2 servers need to get real. Stop being kitten (looking at you DB) and start thinking in the long term. In the end it’ll be the 3 servers with the best coverage that remain in T2 and the 4th will drop down the tiers. Think long term. SoS might look like it’s the weakest right now but they have a natural ocx population and come expansion it’s gonna balloon in size. Same thing with DB and their SEA. Those two servers are inevitably going to be in T2 in the future.

So now you look at FA and YB. Look at their histories. Which one, historically, has been stronger? Which ones numbers will rise more once expansion hits? Which one has better coverage right now? And of their coverage, which one is ACTUAL coverage and not artificial coverage caused by people playing 24 hours straight? Artificial coverage diminishes faster than real coverage because of burnout.

So you set it out plainly:
- Which server has the best coverage at the moment: FA or DB
- Which server has natural off peak population: DB, SoS and maybe FA (FA ocx was massive in the past and now that they’ve absorbed all of IoJ’s ocx on two separate occasions, they can easily market their server for other potential ocx players/guilds)
- Which of FA or YB has historically had higher coverage: FA

There’s your answer. And it’s already happening. SG (i.e. their pst coverage) is leaving. cA (i.e. 50% of their SEA) is bored and transferring back to T1. That means their remaining coverage lives and dies with NA overtime. That won’t last. No matter how many days they can pull 12 hour shifts, they will always reach a point where they have to stop. And you know that’s already happening because they got 3rd place two weeks in a row.

Stop dilly-dallying. Get kitten done. You want your fights? Purge the server that brought the siege humping, over timing and ppt kitten to the tier. It helps that more than half of their NA will transfer off immediately as well.

QFT. Best long-term projection I’ve seen.

Chaba.5410:

Sharpoon.8197:

You T2 servers need to get real. Stop being kitten (looking at you DB) and start thinking in the long term. In the end it’ll be the 3 servers with the best coverage that remain in T2 and the 4th will drop down the tiers. Think long term. SoS might look like it’s the weakest right now but they have a natural ocx population and come expansion it’s gonna balloon in size. Same thing with DB and their SEA. Those two servers are inevitably going to be in T2 in the future.

So now you look at FA and YB. Look at their histories. Which one, historically, has been stronger? Which ones numbers will rise more once expansion hits? Which one has better coverage right now? And of their coverage, which one is ACTUAL coverage and not artificial coverage caused by people playing 24 hours straight? Artificial coverage diminishes faster than real coverage because of burnout.

So you set it out plainly:
- Which server has the best coverage at the moment: FA or DB
- Which server has natural off peak population: DB, SoS and maybe FA (FA ocx was massive in the past and now that they’ve absorbed all of IoJ’s ocx on two separate occasions, they can easily market their server for other potential ocx players/guilds)
- Which of FA or YB has historically had higher coverage: FA

There’s your answer. And it’s already happening. SG (i.e. their pst coverage) is leaving. cA (i.e. 50% of their SEA) is bored and transferring back to T1. That means their remaining coverage lives and dies with NA overtime. That won’t last. No matter how many days they can pull 12 hour shifts, they will always reach a point where they have to stop. And you know that’s already happening because they got 3rd place two weeks in a row.

Stop dilly-dallying. Get kitten done. You want your fights? Purge the server that brought the siege humping, over timing and ppt kitten to the tier. It helps that more than half of their NA will transfer off immediately as well.

QFT. Best long-term projection I’ve seen.

so the TL:DR solution is to keep begging for 2v1 alliances, keep throwing gold at people, and talk up SoS like that have the staying power of DB or YB.

A proper 1v1v1 would look like this week in T2 where there is no alliance of any kind. SoS is clearly the weakest of all four and will most likely destack. Their glicko is highly inflated due to help they received last week.

Chairface.9036:

so the TL:DR solution is to keep begging for 2v1 alliances, keep throwing gold at people, and talk up SoS like that have the staying power of DB or YB.

There was no 2vs1 a week ago when they beat YB and came in second.

There’s no reason to believe otherwise.

etrigan.4213:

Chairface.9036:

so the TL:DR solution is to keep begging for 2v1 alliances, keep throwing gold at people, and talk up SoS like that have the staying power of DB or YB.

There was no 2vs1 a week ago when they beat YB and came in second.

There’s no reason to believe otherwise.

Is that what El Lider told you? Pay more attention to the map its pretty obvious.

Sharpoon.8197:

You T2 servers need to get real. Stop being kitten (looking at you DB) and start thinking in the long term. In the end it’ll be the 3 servers with the best coverage that remain in T2 and the 4th will drop down the tiers. Think long term. SoS might look like it’s the weakest right now but they have a natural ocx population and come expansion it’s gonna balloon in size. Same thing with DB and their SEA. Those two servers are inevitably going to be in T2 in the future.

So now you look at FA and YB. Look at their histories. Which one, historically, has been stronger? Which ones numbers will rise more once expansion hits? Which one has better coverage right now? And of their coverage, which one is ACTUAL coverage and not artificial coverage caused by people playing 24 hours straight? Artificial coverage diminishes faster than real coverage because of burnout.

So you set it out plainly:
- Which server has the best coverage at the moment: FA or DB
- Which server has natural off peak population: DB, SoS and maybe FA (FA ocx was massive in the past and now that they’ve absorbed all of IoJ’s ocx on two separate occasions, they can easily market their server for other potential ocx players/guilds)
- Which of FA or YB has historically had higher coverage: FA

There’s your answer. And it’s already happening. SG (i.e. their pst coverage) is leaving. cA (i.e. 50% of their SEA) is bored and transferring back to T1. That means their remaining coverage lives and dies with NA overtime. That won’t last. No matter how many days they can pull 12 hour shifts, they will always reach a point where they have to stop. And you know that’s already happening because they got 3rd place two weeks in a row.

Stop dilly-dallying. Get kitten done. You want your fights? Purge the server that brought the siege humping, over timing and ppt kitten to the tier. It helps that more than half of their NA will transfer off immediately as well.

Nice story.

As for the guilds, yes SG may leave but AFAIK, they haven’t yet decided where they will go, so they are staying for now. As far as cA goes, the members here on YB merged with Qss and having a blast here. Your attempt to spread rumors has failed unfortunately. Lastly, its already “happening” because we got 3rd place in a row twice? Lol nice try. I wish you luck in whatever you hoped for

For the rest if your post, I won’t even bother replying to the kitten comments lol

Chairface.9036:

Is that what El Lider told you? Pay more attention to the map its pretty obvious.

By your logic, YB and DB are 2v1’ing SoS this week. So obviously we can’t tell how strong/weak they really are.

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Nice story.

As for the guilds, yes SG may leave but AFAIK, they haven’t yet decided where they will go, so they are staying for now. As far as cA goes, the members here on YB merged with Qss and having a blast here. Your attempt to spread rumors has failed unfortunately. Lastly, its already “happening” because we got 3rd place in a row twice? Lol nice try. I wish you luck in whatever you hoped for

For the rest if your post, I won’t even bother replying to the kitten comments lol

Thanks, I’m great at writing non-fiction. You seem extremely defensive so I’m going to conclude that everything I’ve written was logical and made sense. If cA really isn’t leaving then I’ll take that back. Doesn’t change anything about my analysis as YB’s SEA was non existent for the past 2 weeks based on in game and out of game evidence. This indicates that it easily fair weathers which is not an attractive trait to have or the NA overtime that filled that timezone got burnt out. It’s almost certainly a combination of both.

And since you failed to provide a counterargument to my points, I must be right which I know I am anyway.

Sharpoon.8197:

Chairface.9036:

Is that what El Lider told you? Pay more attention to the map its pretty obvious.

By your logic, YB and DB are 2v1’ing SoS this week. So obviously we can’t tell how strong/weak they really are.

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Nice story.

As for the guilds, yes SG may leave but AFAIK, they haven’t yet decided where they will go, so they are staying for now. As far as cA goes, the members here on YB merged with Qss and having a blast here. Your attempt to spread rumors has failed unfortunately. Lastly, its already “happening” because we got 3rd place in a row twice? Lol nice try. I wish you luck in whatever you hoped for

For the rest if your post, I won’t even bother replying to the kitten comments lol

Thanks, I’m great at writing non-fiction. You seem extremely defensive so I’m going to conclude that everything I’ve written was logical and made sense. If cA really isn’t leaving then I’ll take that back. Doesn’t change anything about my analysis as YB’s SEA was non existent for the past 2 weeks based on in game and out of game evidence. This indicates that it easily fair weathers which is not an attractive trait to have or the NA overtime that filled that timezone got burnt out. It’s almost certainly a combination of both.

And since you failed to provide a counterargument to my points, I must be right which I know I am anyway.

Yeah DB and us are 2v1’ing SoS which is why DB lost all their WPs to us 2 hours back.

What seems overtime to you can be normal playing time from other’s perspective. Whether they are burning out themselves isn’t your concern and clearly you know nothing of. Therefore you shouldn’t be spreading rumours.

I am happy to not provide counterargument a.k.a feeding the forum troll

Sharpoon.8197:

Chairface.9036:

Is that what El Lider told you? Pay more attention to the map its pretty obvious.

By your logic, YB and DB are 2v1’ing SoS this week. So obviously we can’t tell how strong/weak they really are.

I’m talking about playing the map when your in WvW, not just being a zergling…

If you were in the matchup looking at the map you would see YB owns 5 waypointed keeps, DB owns none, SoS owns none.. Just popped both DB and SoS waypoints in EB..

When YB lets DB have all their waypointed keeps all week long and stays off their BL.. then its a 2v1.

@sharpoon
Except we queued dbbl last night not SOsbl. How many times was sosbl queued by fa when ybbl was not last week? So maybe not 2 v 1, but fa focus which is nearly as strong as 2 v 1 considering fa is the new t 1.5.

I don’t think SOS is nearly as strong as you think (especially the OCX coverage), but we all can have opinions…..
Not sure how thIs wasn’t locked……

It’s the weekend. Pretty sure a mod is not going to look at this until someone reports a post.

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Yeah DB and us are 2v1’ing SoS which is why DB lost all their WPs to us 2 hours back.

What seems overtime to you can be normal playing time from other’s perspective. Whether they are burning out themselves isn’t your concern and clearly you know nothing of. Therefore you shouldn’t be spreading rumours.

I am happy to not provide counterargument a.k.a feeding the forum troll

I don’t think you understand what “by your logic” means.

Clearly my original post was a troll. Truth hurts, I know. Go to response for when you realize that you cannot provide a meaningful counter is to write it off as a troll attempt so your reaction was not unexpected. Hope you have a great day.

edit: If you decide to grow a pair, please point out which part of my original post you think is a rumor. I have already acknowledged my mistake regarding cA.

Lets be real here, no one likes Yaks, DB, FA, SoS, none of them enjoy playing against them and their turtle tactics. If these 4 (T2) servers had the option to vote out one server, YB would be gone.

Nick.6972:

Lets be real here, no one likes Yaks, DB, FA, SoS, none of them enjoy playing against them and their turtle tactics. If these 4 (T2) servers had the option to vote out one server, YB would be gone.

Already voted for: http://www.gw2wvw.net/content/between-four-t2-size-servers-who-do-you-think-deserves-be-finally-locked-t3

Everyone needs to step out of the spin room and look at a few things:

First off, SoS just gained some muscle that will be apparent in coming days; the current glicko disparity is going to lessen and they will be staying in the rotation.

Second, DB is going to get tired of playing for YB. They have their own ambitions and helping YB is not on their “to do” list.

Third, everyone hates YB and they are losing significant coverage. Only SG has announced they are leaving, but it looks like IX and Ts will go with them. [Qss] had a great showing….in NA; so if they merged then that means cA is not playing SEA?

Fourth, no matter which server gets focused down; neither SoS nor YB (DB and FA for that matter as well) will destack to the point where the T4-T5 servers that moved up to T3 can realistically compete against them.

YB was a beast before their T1 transfers and will still stomp T3. I know the entire list (it’s a very small one) of people thinking of moving if SoS gets “stuck” in T3 and SoS will still enjoy a large coverage and numbers advantage over T3.

I just want to emphasize to the long suffering folks in T3 range that if you think the current situation has a happy ending; you haven’t been paying attention.

Sharpoon.8197:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Yeah DB and us are 2v1’ing SoS which is why DB lost all their WPs to us 2 hours back.

What seems overtime to you can be normal playing time from other’s perspective. Whether they are burning out themselves isn’t your concern and clearly you know nothing of. Therefore you shouldn’t be spreading rumours.

I am happy to not provide counterargument a.k.a feeding the forum troll

I don’t think you understand what “by your logic” means.

Clearly my original post was a troll. Truth hurts, I know. Go to response for when you realize that you cannot provide a meaningful counter is to write it off as a troll attempt so your reaction was not unexpected. Hope you have a great day.

edit: If you decide to grow a pair, please point out which part of my original post you think is a rumor. I have already acknowledged my mistake regarding cA.

It wasn’t an argument to begin, just some rant spewing hatred towards us lol
If you honestly believe what you’ve written, fine with me. I just corrected you on the guild transferring off part. What a server was 2 years ago has nothing to do with what a server is now. So your point is moot anyway.

Have a good day!

To be fair, T1 has been trying to push one of their servers down to T2. We want new blood.

Chris.3290:

Fourth, no matter which server gets focused down; neither SoS nor YB (DB and FA for that matter as well) will destack to the point where the T4-T5 servers that moved up to T3 can realistically compete against them.

YB was a beast before their T1 transfers and will still stomp T3. I know the entire list (it’s a very small one) of people thinking of moving if SoS gets “stuck” in T3 and SoS will still enjoy a large coverage and numbers advantage over T3.

I just want to emphasize to the long suffering folks in T3 range that if you think the current situation has a happy ending; you haven’t been paying attention.

Once it’s clear which server is staying in T3, that server will implode. I wouldn’t be surprised if that server ended up lower than T3 in the end.

Dream In A Dream.7213:

What you need to do is destack every of those servers higher than t3.

If you think people go to Tier 1 because they want to win or to “stack”, you’re sorely mistaken. People in Tier 1 for the most part don’t care about winning.

They go there because they want to play WvW – which means enemies need to populate the other two servers as well. It’s very rare that queues even exist in Tier 1 except for reset night and a few hours during the weekend.

If we took the population of all of WvW and spread them evenly among the servers, we’d have a very, very empty WvW. Not enough participate in it anymore, and haven’t for a while. I’m sure you’d know that if you actually played though.

now wouldn’t it be hilarious if his story wasn’t actually bs

The funny part of this whole thread is that its all oriented around T2, which is actually doing just fine as a tier. T3 is where the problem lies.

Kuru, the OP said to me " It’ll help balance T3 because the server that goes down will likely implode."

However, if history tells us anything, any implosion is going to drive players back into T2. Those players are not going to distribute themselves into T3.

NiloyBardhan.9170:

It wasn’t an argument to begin, just some rant spewing hatred towards us lol
What a server was 2 years ago has nothing to do with what a server is now. So your point is moot anyway.

Thanks for your opinion. The great thing about opinions is that they can be wrong, which is the case here.

The only reason DB keeps coming back up to T2 even after three implosions is because of what it was 2 years ago. It was chosen as a server for Taiwanese players and since launch new Taiwanese players go to DB and help counter any attrition.

Nice try.

Sharpoon.8197:

The only reason DB keeps coming back up to T2 even after three implosions is because of what it was 2 years ago. It was chosen as a server for Taiwanese players and since launch new Taiwanese players go to DB and help counter any attrition.

This is actually a major part of the problem. Same for SoS and their OCX population. One timezone keeps their Glicko artificially inflated. Same used to be the case with FA, not sure about now.

Even if they fall because of all other time zones. That one timezone will destroy the competition. Thus making the matches no fun.

DB and SoS will never fit below T2 because of their huge one time zone coverage that is different from the rest of the servers below.

Hamster.4861:

The funny part of this whole thread is that its all oriented around T2, which is actually doing just fine as a tier. T3 is where the problem lies.

Kuru, the OP said to me " It’ll help balance T3 because the server that goes down will likely implode."

However, if history tells us anything, any implosion is going to drive players back into T2. Those players are not going to distribute themselves into T3.

It’d be fine if the implosion sent players into the remaining T2 servers. It’d mean three T2 servers, which I think should be the ultimate goal.

FA have a lot of new guilds, they must have gone on a spending spree. I took a break from GW2 with the steam after Christmas specials came back and was like wtf are all these guilds?

I think T2 is fine, it is a really competitive tier, anyone can get dunked to play the kitten T3 servers. T1 is too static, T4 and below servers are probably just tumbleweeds for the most part in WvW.