Guild Wars 2

Looking at this since already several weeks as someone not takin part in that tier.
As the first rated server in that tier you can hardly gain any points (to get to t8) by yourself even if you completly dominate the 2 last ranked servers. Those servers HAVE TO totaly rely on the t8 results that someone is dominated there and falls one rank and all because Vabbi in this case only got half of the points the 3rd last server got.
Taking the actual results, whiteside ridge even loosing points of 1k while clearly winning the match-up with 234k to 97k and 51k.

Imo there should be sth like a minimum of points you will get as first placed or sth in your calculation that treats the server with a max of e.g. 200k point difference. Otherwise those servers down there can barely recover themself.

This is the flaw with the system Anet uses, upward mobility is not there for most tiers.

pot.6805:

This is the flaw with the system Anet uses, upward mobility is not there for most tiers.

I think the only issue is that the #1 server in a tier needs to win by too many points to gain rating, and the #3 needs to lose by too many points to lose rating. At certain point, you have to stomp or get stomped to move up or down. This phenomenon has caused TC, for example, who is obviously capable of being competitive in T2, to remain stuck in T3 for 5 weeks. IoJ moved down one and TC moved up one and neither tier had a blow out. So I think there’s some room in the ratings formula that shakes up the server rankings a bit more each week to more easily bring some fresh match ups from time to time.

Liquid.9672:

pot.6805:

This is the flaw with the system Anet uses, upward mobility is not there for most tiers.

I think the only issue is that the #1 server in a tier needs to win by too many points to gain rating, and the #3 needs to lose by too many points to lose rating. At certain point, you have to stomp or get stomped to move up or down. This phenomenon has caused TC, for example, who is obviously capable of being competitive in T2, to remain stuck in T3 for 5 weeks. IoJ moved down one and TC moved up one and neither tier had a blow out. So I think there’s some room in the ratings formula that shakes up the server rankings a bit more each week to more easily bring some fresh match ups from time to time.

I agree, that is also the main issue in my opinion. I am not a math wiz so I can barely understand what all the data Anet has given us on how their system works but I think it needs to be tweaked slightly. Blowouts were more common 2 months ago when there was alot more people playing GW2 and the tiers weren’t as “balanced” as they are now. But with the current way servers are, you shouldn’t need to win by 100k every week to actually have upward mobility, it just isn’t feasible.

edit: It actually was a blowout for IoJs last week in tier 2. They were behind first place by 130k points causing them to lose over 40 rating.

Maybe all the bandwagoners should transfer to Vabbi, stomp that tier completely and get an instant jump to t1, noone could then say they just hopped on the back of a server that was already comfortable in t1

Until servers are locked down, no amount of tweaking will solve anything.

Adaneshade.2409:

Until servers are locked down, no amount of tweaking will solve anything.

actually tweaking the numbers to allow servers ranks to change a little faster than they are now would help mitigate the issue.

If the same score differential caused a greater rank change then Eredon Terrace for example could have fallen from T1 to T8 in a couple of weeks instead of months for example. They may not have even fallen all the way to T8 if they had been allowed to move down faster.

The other issue of Kaening having large transfers and winning by a huge margin would not be as big of an issue if they were actually moving out of the bracket this week.

So yes, I contend a more rapidly changing ranking system would help mitigate some of the issues caused by large server transfers.

I’ll probably get infractioned for saying There’s a T9?? But seriously there is a T9?

Think he is referring to the EU bracket.

Yeah was meant for EU, but of course same/similar things happen to US servers as well.

Liquid.9672:

pot.6805:

This is the flaw with the system Anet uses, upward mobility is not there for most tiers.

I think the only issue is that the #1 server in a tier needs to win by too many points to gain rating, and the #3 needs to lose by too many points to lose rating. At certain point, you have to stomp or get stomped to move up or down. This phenomenon has caused TC, for example, who is obviously capable of being competitive in T2, to remain stuck in T3 for 5 weeks. IoJ moved down one and TC moved up one and neither tier had a blow out. So I think there’s some room in the ratings formula that shakes up the server rankings a bit more each week to more easily bring some fresh match ups from time to time.

IOJ lost one of its major oceanic guilds as well as a few other guilds during last weeks match up with Sor and BG. Two or Three weeks ago, it would have been a blow out if we were in T3, but now, it’s a pretty good match up. I don’t think that has anything to do with the shortcomings of the ranking system.

Flashlegend.2941:

IOJ lost one of its major oceanic guilds as well as a few other guilds during last weeks match up with Sor and BG. Two or Three weeks ago, it would have been a blow out if we were in T3, but now, it’s a pretty good match up. I don’t think that has anything to do with the shortcomings of the ranking system.

well its impossible to say for sure.

if your server had not been stuck so long in 3rd place and had been allowed to yoyo between having that blow out victory followed by a modest defeat (and you guys were doing fine in T2) you may not have lost people to the top server.

maybe you would have. its impossible to say though for certain as thats not the world we live in.

i can say it seemed to wear down our population when i was on a server that was coming in last week after week. It also seemed that BG only grew and grew while i was there winning week after week.