I have been tracking the effect of “GvG” over the past few weeks on wvw north american T1 matchups . I am going to use the “GvG” ranking site along with score updates from the matchup thread to show my findings. This should put an end to the foolish notion that "GvG it doesn’t effect wvw negatively.
Findings for 8/2/13 match up:
If you guys look at the first picture it is a score update from the morning before the first gvg of 8/2/13 matchup and has blackgate ahead by 10k. The matches and scores at the start of each “GvG” are as follows:
1.Mob vs EP 8/4/13(Blackgate vs TC) Blackgate 10k points ahead
2. EP vs Rise 8/6/13 (Blackgate vs TC)
3. Tw vs Re 8/7/13 (Sor vs TC) Sor leads by 3k points
4. Tw vs Tsl 8/8/13 (Sor vs TC) Blackgate leads
the second picture was taken after the 3rd match up and shows the score tied bg then goes to take the lead by 10k. These are obvious examples of the paradigm shift caused by “GvG”.
Could “GvG” become the new form of espionage in gw2?
I will post info from current and future match ups aswell.
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you are probably the only person in the game, that still cares about campaign.
wake up mate, ppt is only about coverage, and hell, gvg is the only thing left in WvW.
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/rolls eyes Science – the state of knowing : knowledge as distinguished from ignorance or misunderstanding. I am just putting the info out there you can perceive it how ever you like.
For the guys talking about how long the gvgs go on if there is an oil spill and you stop the oil from flowing after a day does its effect linger or vanish.
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A lot of us would like a real gvg system implemented, and no one denies that it hurts PPT.
Consider what your PPT would be like without those guilds that participate in GvG being on your server in the first place. Most of the gain is done by those coordinated guilds.
You continuously post negatively about what a lot of people are playing this game solely for now days. What do you expect will come from your posts? Do you think ANet will enforce something against what keeps a high percentage of WvW guilded players interested in the game?
Please be more considerate of others interests. Very low percentage of players still care about score tally considering these week long match formats depend on coverage or insomnia.
/rolls eyes Science – the state of knowing : knowledge as distinguished from ignorance or misunderstanding. I am just putting the info out there you can perceive it how ever you like.
I perceive it exactly the same way the poster above your reply did, which is the same way mos recorded it. Blackgate took the PPT lead for over half the day. That time period is not when any GvGs occur. You call your position “obvious” and the other position “foolish” which is just silly. I’m sorry if you think your scores boil down to such a simple system.
we all have our reasons for playing the game. for others it is only gvg which keeps them playing gw2. it isn’t proper to force them to play how you want to play, but simply find people who play like you; so you can enjoy the game too.
that said, it is weird why this game is called gw2 when there are now guild wars involved except indirectly through spvp tpvp or wvw.
maybe called is world of war? … er something’s a miss. hehehe
anyhow, gvg’s gather all servers not just two, and it is a good way to interact with your competitors. it is the only area where all three servers are in accord and actually cheering for each other. pretty good thing in my opinion.
Listen you guys saying very few people care about ppt "GvG"ers make up 1.4k-5k of 3 million players 0.166666667% if we use the high end.
I am going to take my leave from the thread for the night and hopefully a proper discussion about the info can ensue. Those "GvG"ers are out for my blood as always.
Blackgate lost a T3 garrison mid week a couple of weeks back because we only had around 30 to defend against an 80 man assault. We had the numbers to defend, but we couldn’t get them onto the map because of the GvG (guild and spectators). Yeah it obviously effects WvW. Takes a long time to recover from a garrison reset. With organization and being considerate though, these things should not happen. There are plenty of times where GvG won’t effect WvW.
I think what Silentflute is trying to say is that his server sucks badly without the guild. When they GvG they lose lots of points but when the guild is doing other stuff they’re winning. My server has a minimum of 1 or 2 GvG’s going every night of the week in primetime, yet also we manage to hold the highest ppt in primetime while these GvG’s are going on. So i think Silentflute it’s more a case of stop relying on the guilds to earn all your points and actually get your server to play better.
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For many of the guilds, WvW is what they do between the GvGs. You take away the GvGs and you will likely lose them for the WvW as well. It’s a package, you get it all (good and the bad) or you get none of it (just the bad).
Listen you guys saying very few people care about ppt "GvG"ers make up 1.4k-5k of 3 million players 0.166666667% if we use the high end.
I am going to take my leave from the thread for the night and hopefully a proper discussion about the info can ensue. Those "GvG"ers are out for my blood as always.
Well please respond to the bit about Blackgate ticking very highly for over 12 hours when you get back. I’d really like to hear about how GvG did that one since it happened between 12am and 12pm server time, which I highly doubt is when any GvGs took place. Otherwise maybe admit that your information is not as solid as you think it is? Thanks.
it seems fine since it pulls out your enemy guild too.
i played game that had gvg stuffs like castle wars etc…
but idk what make ppl think that a bunch of ppl faceing each other/ pvp deathmatch would define who is better… there is no use of environment or any other tactics.
it seems fine since it pulls out your enemy guild too.
i played game that had gvg stuffs like castle wars etc…
but idk what make ppl think that a bunch of ppl faceing each other/ pvp deathmatch would define who is better… there is no use of environment or any other tactics.
did you read this before u posted ??? any game/sport out there is based off 1 team of equal numbers facing off against another, the one who wins was the better team. The team that gets defeated goes to work trying new strats/class make ups, for the next time they face off
what i mean you can win boxing by hit and run not just knocking people down and etc. if u played other games there is no thing like gvg deathmatch too.
Blackgate lost a T3 garrison mid week a couple of weeks back because we only had around 30 to defend against an 80 man assault. We had the numbers to defend, but we couldn’t get them onto the map because of the GvG (guild and spectators). Yeah it obviously effects WvW. Takes a long time to recover from a garrison reset. With organization and being considerate though, these things should not happen. There are plenty of times where GvG won’t effect WvW.
Ok, so you lost an upgraded keep because a bunch of players were off doing something else instead of defending it. What if, instead of GvG, those guilds had been doing a guild mission during that time instead? Or running fractals? Or playing sPvP? Or doing Living Story content? Would you still be mad at them for not defending the keep?
WvW runs 24 hours a day and it’s not reasonable to expect players to devote 100% of their playtime toward maximizing PPT when the game offers so many other things to do. GvG happens to be player-created content rather than officially sanctioned by Arenanet, but it’s still a potential vector of play that many people enjoy.
The majority of committed WvW players don’t give a crap about PPT anymore. The PPT game, as it stands, is completely boring. People want fights.
WvW is just a training ground for the next GvG for most guilds.
Agreed. Must admit as a GW2 noob last year, PPT seemed important to me back in the day as our server struggled with coverage during the first several months of release. However when our server finally reached the apex and won T1 for 3-4 weeks straight it was the most boring weeks of wvw ever. This is it?!? This is what the top dawg gets?!? The competition gave up days into reset, our little 7 man havoc had no supply camps, opposing dolyaks to burn down or objectives to turn as the map color was all ours. We ran around what seemed like hours looking for fights of which none came (sorry to the solo miner we ganked, btw).
Fast forward today, your statement couldn’t be more true…..
The majority of committed WvW players don’t give a crap about PPT anymore. The PPT game, as it stands, is completely boring. People want fights.
WvW is just a training ground for the next GvG for most guilds.
Naw, the overwhelming majority of WvW players couldn’t care less about GvG. I doubt most players outside the top3 tiers even know it exists.
I’m not hating on the format, but it’s getting a little out of hand with all the threads claiming it’s the “real WvW”tm.. you’re a vocal minority, quit acting like you speak for everyone. This is the exact same nonsense that paxa tried to do with the “small man tier” a few months ago, and that flamed out spectacularly.
The majority of committed WvW players don’t give a crap about PPT anymore. The PPT game, as it stands, is completely boring. People want fights.
WvW is just a training ground for the next GvG for most guilds.
Naw, the overwhelming majority of WvW players couldn’t care less about GvG. I doubt most players outside the top3 tiers even know it exists.
I’m not hating on the format, but it’s getting a little out of hand with all the threads claiming it’s the “real WvW”tm.. you’re a vocal minority, quit acting like you speak for everyone. This is the exact same nonsense that paxa tried to do with the “small man tier” a few months ago, and that flamed out spectacularly.
Agg are bad people and like to transfer to tier 2-4 servers. We know about it. And from the only guild we’ve seen it from, Agg, its terrible what it does to the community.
The majority of committed WvW players don’t give a crap about PPT anymore. The PPT game, as it stands, is completely boring. People want fights.
WvW is just a training ground for the next GvG for most guilds.
Naw, the overwhelming majority of WvW players couldn’t care less about GvG. I doubt most players outside the top3 tiers even know it exists.
I’m not hating on the format, but it’s getting a little out of hand with all the threads claiming it’s the “real WvW”tm.. you’re a vocal minority, quit acting like you speak for everyone. This is the exact same nonsense that paxa tried to do with the “small man tier” a few months ago, and that flamed out spectacularly.
I kind of agree here, except with the analogy to PAXA. I don’t think we’re a majority by any means, certainly not in NA, but we are starting to get more interest. PAXA’s thing was a very specialized thing and this has broader appeal due to larger fights.
The majority of committed WvW players don’t give a crap about PPT anymore. The PPT game, as it stands, is completely boring. People want fights.
WvW is just a training ground for the next GvG for most guilds.
This times 1000. It’ll be interesting to see if Anet has the insight to just toss ppt out the window and create a new fun system that allows all 24 servers to fight each other competitively.
The majority of committed WvW players don’t give a crap about PPT anymore. The PPT game, as it stands, is completely boring. People want fights.
WvW is just a training ground for the next GvG for most guilds.
Naw, the overwhelming majority of WvW players couldn’t care less about GvG. I doubt most players outside the top3 tiers even know it exists.
I’m not hating on the format, but it’s getting a little out of hand with all the threads claiming it’s the “real WvW”tm.. you’re a vocal minority, quit acting like you speak for everyone. This is the exact same nonsense that paxa tried to do with the “small man tier” a few months ago, and that flamed out spectacularly.
True the casual fanbase and/or those players that are not accustomed to #1 within their tier will undoubtedly find frustration with ppt and could care less about gvg. Having said that, I really do hope they get to experience a few faceroll one sided matches for weeks on end cause I am sure a good chunk of them will be converted and realize it’s not the Grand Poobah of gaming experiences they expected it to be.
yes and no, the number of guilds that can field a cohesive 20player team on a given night is a very small number, and they’re mostly on the same servers.
how many tiers do you guys think can actually participate in this? because i’d be very surprised if you can have this happen on the bottom half servers with any kind of frequency.
The majority of committed WvW players don’t give a crap about PPT anymore. The PPT game, as it stands, is completely boring. People want fights.
WvW is just a training ground for the next GvG for most guilds.
Naw, the overwhelming majority of WvW players couldn’t care less about GvG. I doubt most players outside the top3 tiers even know it exists.
I’m not hating on the format, but it’s getting a little out of hand with all the threads claiming it’s the “real WvW”tm.. you’re a vocal minority, quit acting like you speak for everyone. This is the exact same nonsense that paxa tried to do with the “small man tier” a few months ago, and that flamed out spectacularly.
You missed where I said “committed” WvW players. You’re talking from the point of view of a casual here, I’m sure of it. Anyone deeply into WvW understands how prevalent the GvG obsession is now. Chances are, the vast majority of the organized WvW guilds you see on the map every day are either into it already, or working on getting ready for it.
Silentflute is the same guy that posts thousands of posts in the PVE section; he probably plays this a few times per week. Although I respect that, please, don’t come in here and try to tell the hardcore WvW players how to play their game.
The majority of committed WvW players don’t give a crap about PPT anymore. The PPT game, as it stands, is completely boring. People want fights.
WvW is just a training ground for the next GvG for most guilds.
Naw, the overwhelming majority of WvW players couldn’t care less about GvG. I doubt most players outside the top3 tiers even know it exists.
I’m not hating on the format, but it’s getting a little out of hand with all the threads claiming it’s the “real WvW”tm.. you’re a vocal minority, quit acting like you speak for everyone. This is the exact same nonsense that paxa tried to do with the “small man tier” a few months ago, and that flamed out spectacularly.
If we are only a vocal minority, how come our impact on the ppt is supposed to be so massive?
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The majority of committed WvW players don’t give a crap about PPT anymore. The PPT game, as it stands, is completely boring. People want fights.
WvW is just a training ground for the next GvG for most guilds.
Naw, the overwhelming majority of WvW players couldn’t care less about GvG. I doubt most players outside the top3 tiers even know it exists.
I’m not hating on the format, but it’s getting a little out of hand with all the threads claiming it’s the “real WvW”tm.. you’re a vocal minority, quit acting like you speak for everyone. This is the exact same nonsense that paxa tried to do with the “small man tier” a few months ago, and that flamed out spectacularly.
If we are only a vocal minority, how come our impact on the ppt is supposed to be so massive?
If we are only a vocal minority, how come our impact on the ppt is supposed to be so massive?
You’re confusing Grandma with the OP, Grandma never said that GvG had a “devastating affect” on the PPT, just that GvG is (still just) a minor part of (NA) WvW.
That said, NYS was GvGing all last week and SoR came second, NYS isn’t GvGing this week and SoR is coming third, so clearly GvG improves a server’s score.
Its a fact that most of the guilds that GVG also have a massive presence in WvW in general, and for the other 90 percent of the week when they are not GVG’ing are working hard for their server.
A lot of the complaints come from fairweathers who want these guilds to carry them all the time, or the ultra try hards who kitten and complain but rarely step up.
For those of us who have been here a while and find WvW PPT a bit stale, i think its pretty unfair to say we shouldnt be able to take a few hours out of a week for some good competitive gvg fun.
If it werent for the rise of the gvg scene a lot more of these mainstay guilds would probably be dying, and so to would wvw.
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Its a fact that most of the guilds that GVG also have a massive presence in WvW in general, and for the other 90 percent of the week when they are not GVG’ing are working hard for their server.
A lot of the complaints come from fairweathers who want these guilds to carry them all the time, or the ultra try hards who kitten and complain but rarely step up.
For those of us who have been here a while and find WvW PPT a bit stale, i think its pretty unfair to say we shouldnt be able to take a few hours out of a week for some good competitive gvg fun.
If it werent for the rise of the gvg scene a lot more of these mainstay guilds would probably be dying, and so to would wvw.
Tru dat and I guarantee QQ posters like flute here has never laid a silver out of his own pockets for structure upgrades …..
yes and no, the number of guilds that can field a cohesive 20player team on a given night is a very small number, and they’re mostly on the same servers.
how many tiers do you guys think can actually participate in this? because i’d be very surprised if you can have this happen on the bottom half servers with any kind of frequency.
Well, it must have broader appeal because it didn’t fizzle out in a few weeks like PAXAs 5 man thing. GvG has already been around for longer and not all of it is 20 man.
Of the valuable guild on the “GvG” site each has only around 20 players that “GvG”; try not to take credit for your WvWers work though I don’t see any of those guilds in this thread.
I am not saying you should not be able to do anything I am tracking its effect and wanted to discuss it’s potential use for espionage.
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