Guild Wars 2

When you launched eotm you made a big deal about how you will be able to test different things… now you put in changes to live WvW ex: golem kittenent… So why even have eotm? for leveling alts? Please don’t do stupid week long events in wvw that drastically affect the combat and mechanics. ppk has been successfully tested. but golem’s being kittenedly op… meh.

Eotm unfortunately seems to be the testing grounds for more permanent content like the new map design, pve gimmick garbage events, layouts/layers, and ideas for ppt focus…They seem to think eotm is popular because of how its setup for its content, when in actuality people only go there to farm karma/gold/champs/and exp or just to waste time when your server is having a dead time.

People throwing around different theories for why the golem event was implemented, none of them really make much sense to me personally. Since its not a permanent feature, thankfully, it wouldnt make sense to just limit it to eotm.

X T D.6458:

Eotm unfortunately seems to be the testing grounds for more permanent content like the new map design, pve gimmick garbage events, layouts/layers, and ideas for ppt focus…They seem to think eotm is popular because of how its setup for its content, when in actuality people only go there to farm karma/gold/champs/and exp or just to waste time when your server is having a dead time.

People throwing around different theories for why the golem event was implemented, none of them really make much sense to me personally. Since its not a permanent feature, thankfully, it wouldnt make sense to just limit it to eotm.

I would hope that they are able to implement rules to eotm specifically. It would go something like this:
1) Anet Dev says let’s test Golems or play around with event timers etc
2) Anet Dev will announce that during week of ____ eotm has these special rules and wvw mist buff for rewards. give us feedback. what u like and what don’t you like
3) people can ‘test’ stuff out for anet in eotm during ‘off hours’ and help. people that just want to play live in wvw don’t get bugged by stupid ideas without testing.
4) profit!

Well unless I’m missing something about any upcoming wvw changes, the current golem event doesnt have anything thats in testing, so its all just a temporary event therefore its not really a testing trial. In regards to say just having the event test in eotm then trying it in wvw, I cant imagine that ever happening. Implement in eotm, gauge feedback and then determine whether or not to implement for real wvw, sounds like more work then they would want to put in and would probably cause more problems then it currently is.

Personally speaking I would prefer they leave this gimmicky crap in eotm, because I have no desire to login to do anything because if I dont want to do wvw I dont want to play period, but thats just me so I’m basically not gonna bother with it.

X T D.6458:

Well unless I’m missing something about any upcoming wvw changes, the current golem event doesnt have anything thats in testing, so its all just a temporary event therefore its not really a testing trial. In regards to say just having the event test in eotm then trying it in wvw, I cant imagine that ever happening. Implement in eotm, gauge feedback and then determine whether or not to implement for real wvw, sounds like more work then they would want to put in and would probably cause more problems then it currently is.

Personally speaking I would prefer they leave this gimmicky crap in eotm, because I have no desire to login to do anything because if I dont want to do wvw I dont want to play period, but thats just me so I’m basically not gonna bother with it.

I would prefer small changes once a while to spice things up but after feedback. changes like white swords, siege damage/health etc, upgrades etc could be easily tested in eotm so it doesn’t affect normal wvw maps. Especially after expansion. They just need to realize they can’t throw special events in wvw and not get people riled up.

The no white swords/ppk event seemed more like a testing trial to me. I cant see those being properly tested in eotm, those 2 features would essentially be meaningless in eotm so they would really only work in wvw whether tested or implemented permanently. I get that they want to mix things up, but they need to get a clue, maybe if they had just limited the golem event to eb for the weekend.

Well EOTM was supposed to be a testing ground for WvW features, lol.

But if they did anything now then it would upset the PvE karma train on EOTM. PvE players would complain to high heaven and anet would be running around in circles to please them asap.

In regards to the EotM map, I keep wondering if it would have any meaningful impact if they made a PvE version of the EotM map:

* No WvW mode, no PvP, only single team (think Silver Wastes)
* Instead of 5 minutes RI, just have a 5 minute timer before the object self-decaps and goes neutral.
* Other than that keep it as is.

What I’m curious about is, would 90% of the players notice much difference ? And would it keep those players away from those that cares ? Basically a lot of players are there just to level, and many of them hate that it is a WvW/PvP map at all, and would prefer that nobody played PvP on it. Might as well give them that.

It would probably depopulate the "traditional" EotM pretty hard, but at the same time it should remove a lot of the situations where people get angry at you for ruining their karma-train etc. Might actually make EotM into something that could actually be played like a WvW map again, might even be useful to test WvW features on again ?

Uhm, that was a bit off topic.

I agree with X T D that PPK/No White Swords wouldn’t make much sense in EotM, so that would have to be tested in WvW or not at all (glad they did, was fun).

I would love to see them adding something like a "test week" once a month, where they tried out different things and ideas, or even silly events etc. And before anyone starts on it, yes lock down glicko for the week, so you don’t get affected by the match. (Personally don’t get this, but I don’t treat WvW as competitive because of its structure and design. PPT and Coverage/Population ruins any impact of competitiveness to the game mode).

Orochimaru.4730:

Well EOTM was supposed to be a testing ground for WvW features, lol.

But if they did anything now then it would upset the PvE karma train on EOTM. PvE players would complain to high heaven and anet would be running around in circles to please them asap.

Eotm was originally designed to provide a place to do wvw while waiting out queues (which were very heavy at the time the concept was conceived) w/o affecting your world or matchup. Based on Anet’s actions and plans, legitimate speculation grew that Eotm was being used as a testing grounds for future wvw content. And yea any disruption in the eotm farm would annoy many of the people who go there, even when players are doing normal stuff for a pvp map like fighting…Hell some of them come on the forums to complain as if there is something illegal going on lol. But ironically if you take away the farm, and try to keep eotm for its original intent it would probably die off.

Luvpie.8350:

When you launched eotm you made a big deal about how you will be able to test different things… now you put in changes to live WvW ex: golem kittenent… So why even have eotm? for leveling alts? Please don’t do stupid week long events in wvw that drastically affect the combat and mechanics. ppk has been successfully tested. but golem’s being kittenedly op… meh.

But this was not a test event so it has no relevance to anything in this post. If it was a test event, it would be something that anet would be considering bringing into wvw later. This is just a “for fun” event that will not be in wvw later. I am not saying that anet has done a good job using eotm as a testing ground but this golem event has nothing to do with testing.

Radian.2478:

Luvpie.8350:

When you launched eotm you made a big deal about how you will be able to test different things… now you put in changes to live WvW ex: golem kittenent… So why even have eotm? for leveling alts? Please don’t do stupid week long events in wvw that drastically affect the combat and mechanics. ppk has been successfully tested. but golem’s being kittenedly op… meh.

But this was not a test event so it has no relevance to anything in this post. If it was a test event, it would be something that anet would be considering bringing into wvw later. This is just a “for fun” event that will not be in wvw later. I am not saying that anet has done a good job using eotm as a testing ground but this golem event has nothing to do with testing.

yes but if they ‘tested’ the golem even in eotm they would have seen how golemy & ktrainy & kittenty it is and maybe it wouldn’t affect wvw?

Well this is what happens when a company has little understanding of their own game mode and the player-base that plays that game mode. Heck anet seems to be the only ones who couldn’t see the fiasco that would emerge from this event. What I never understand is when they post their own wvw test/preview videos with 20 people running around, when in reality wvw can have hundreds of people within map range of each other. Well no wonder they never seem to understand the lag and balance problems. Proper testing and a little common sense would go a long way.

X T D.6458:

Well this is what happens when a company has little understanding of their own game mode and the player-base that plays that game mode. Heck anet seems to be the only ones who couldn’t see the fiasco that would emerge from this event. What I never understand is when they post their own wvw test/preview videos with 20 people running around, when in reality wvw can have hundreds of people within map range of each other. Well no wonder they never seem to understand the lag and balance problems. Proper testing and a little common sense would go a long way.