Guild Wars 2

Good day everyone,

Most people reading this will most likely know what the ‘issue’ is, but for those who don’t: In the particular case of Desolation vs Vizunah Square vs Far Shiverpeaks the problem would be that vizunah square server has a group of people who play at night and capture everything while the other 2 servers are on low activity. The common opinion is that this group of people are French Canadian, who’d come to play at vizunah since NA doesn’t have any dedicated French servers.

So far for describing the problem, now over to trying to find a solution, but first:
Is this something that is actually unfair, and so does it even need a fix?

-Possibility 1: If it is correct that the group of nighttime players aren’t from EU then if you ask me, yes it does need a fix. It isn’t logical nor good that people who aren’t from Europe are a decisive factor on the European WvW’s.

-Possibility 2: The nighttime capping group are just people from France or any other french speaking community within the EU who are active at night (for various possible reasons). In this case there isn’t even an issue. It are people from the EU making the difference for their own server. It may not be extremely honorable, but it sure isn’t ‘unfair’ either.

So then the issue comes by that we as players can’t know nor prove if the people playing are or aren’t from Europe, so we’ll have to think of something that leaves this in the middle.

My suggestion for a solution:
Limit the amount of non european players that can play on european wvw(and vice-versa for NA) to maximum 10% of the total player cap of each wvw map. (10% is just a random percentage ofcourse, may vary).
Or in other words:
0% < EU population < 100%
0% < non EU population < 10%
whilst the sum of the 2 at all times can not exceed 100% (of the current population limit ofcourse)

Why this is a good idea:
If possibility 1: this measure would reduce the severity of the effect non european players can have on european wvw, while still offering them the chance to participate in wvw.
If possibility 2: Nothing changes, but then again in this case no change was needed.
Any future variations of this problem would immediately be countered by this.

Why this is a bad idea: This one I’ll leave up to the quite critical thinking mass that is the people who read and post on this forums, you.

Canadians guilds on VS = urban legend.

Your whole point is useless sorry.

Hello Wiluz,

I’d encourage you to read my entire post. As you may have noticed I not once stated that this claim of Canadian players is a fact. If it is an urban legend as you say I still feel my suggestion has certain value to counter any future discussions on this subject or to counter any future issues with players from a different continent dominating wvw.

Yeah sorry about that, the fact is that we read a lot of stuff about our african/canadians hebrew/ players, but there is none, maybe 1% of the server population is canadian and that’s all.

It’s like saying that american people plays on UK servers and south american country plays on spanish server.

So AU/SEA/Oceanic players should GTFO ?

Am I reading that correct ?

Sure limit non EU…..yeah right,how about you fork out the money to pay for Oceanic servers.

Even if we had and playedon Oceanic servers,Oceanic players would be smart enough to deploy for 24/7 WvW.

Once again,not all of us are looking at the BIG picture here,just a minority.

It’s time to step away from the EU/US or bust thing.GW2 dosn’t have national borders.

The only “Big WvW issue” there is, is that the matchmaking hasn’t been going on long enough for servers to be matched properly. That and people keep transferring around making it so the servers WvW progress never actually stabilizes. And also that the queues are not working properly.

Not “night capping”.

Hello Temper,

I hadn’t really considered Oceanic players tbh :x, sorry for that.
But then again you can’t really blame other players for the lack of oceanic servers.

The suggestion you make would have been a good one if gw2 had launched with servers that weren’t eu/us. However now people have settled in on their servers and a non-bordered community/ server is impossible I think.

But would my suggestion really affect your wvw experience at this moment? I’m not sure if the oceanic community is spread out over servers or not. If you are quite spread out the 10% of max shouldn’t affect you too much/ at all. If you are all more or less sticking together on 2-3 servers I guess my suggestion wouldn’t really work for you.

Vlaamsche Leeuw.7598:

My suggestion for a solution:
Limit the amount of non european players that can play on european wvw(and vice-versa for NA) to maximum 10% of the total player cap of each wvw map. (10% is just a random percentage ofcourse, may vary).
Or in other words:
0% < EU population < 100%
0% < non EU population < 10%
whilst the sum of the 2 at all times can not exceed 100% (of the current population limit ofcourse)

this is a fairly convoluted solution
let me simplify it

region IP blocks

American players in US servers
EU players in EU servers
Oceanic players in Asian servers

then, if some players decide to pull an all-nighter, thats perfectly valid, hats off to them. I hope winning a 1 week server matchup is worth risking their jobs/studies after poor performance due to lack of sleep.

but at least the people winning like that are sacrificing themselves for the win, which is the spirit of the whole thing. right now they aint sacrificing absolutly nothing, they go to sleep just the same as their enemies do, and then “someone else” wins the game for them.

so there it is. region blocks. the simpliest solution to the problem.

This is a business for them and money is the first thing in their minds, hence region blocks are going to happen.

ANet arent idiots and Im totally sure they know the amount of peoplekitten over this “internationalization” of some servers is far bigger than the amount of “foreigners” playing in that servers. Keeping the majority of your customers happy is top priority for them.

region block. its a matter of when, not if.

Why not just team up and take down the leader together? sigh

Three main Unnoffocial Oceanic servers to my knowledge Sea of Sorrows,Isle of Janther,Gate of Madness. (correct me if this has changed)

Yes Aussies usually organize which servers to play on and mostly stick together,so we have other players to party with our time zone.

There was a lot of discussion long before the release about this in the AU community,and some AU guilds decided to steer clear of these three servers to promote a more balanced and competitive WvW for all.

So in short,yes your suggestion would affect those three servers greatly.

Also I would probably think that there is a good number of Aussie players,like myself, looking to jump from those servers to others,while transfers are still free/infinite,because of the number of people currently playing on them and to promote competition between same timezone players and servers in general,rather than faceroll WvW and be bored.

I would think that the majority of boat jumpers would be most interested in US servers,rather than EU for their permanant home because 250 latency is beter than 400+ for PvP or WvW.But some dont really care about the latency,as a good home server and guild is far more important. (not all about winning)

Konrad Curze.5130:

ot exceed 100% (of the current population limit
this is a fairly convoluted solution
let me simplify it

region IP blocks

American players in US servers
EU players in EU servers
Oceanic players in Asian servers

its a matter of when, not if.

Not going to happen. You’re forgetting the whole point of WvWvW.

War.

All out, sock-it-to-em, no holds barred war.

War between Guilds, war between Alliances and war between Servers.

War waits for no-one.

War doesn’t stop conveniently at sundown and lets all the combatants go home and have a good night sleep.

War doesn’t give a fig about where you live.

World vs world is a twenty four hour, seven days a week battle – just like real war. That’s the whole point. Anyone anywhere can participate.

You NEED us Oceanics (or anyone who’s not in North America – same goes for the EU).

Seriously, you need us on your server, otherwise who’s going to keep the fight going when you’re asleep?

The real problem is that the server transfers are still free or reasonably easy to obtain. Once that gets locked down, and people can’t server hop at the drop of a hat, then players are going to have to make a lasting choice about where they represent and should knuckle down and start doing the hard yards. Under performing worlds should start doing better too.

I suppose I’m trying to say something really simple – suck it up and play harder and smarter.

Don’t whinge. Don’t cry foul. Don’t scream for change because you aren’t getting your way.

Get better.

There are no asian servers Konrad and as far as I know there are no plans for asian servers.

Konrad Curze.5130:

Vlaamsche Leeuw.7598:

My suggestion for a solution:
Limit the amount of non european players that can play on european wvw(and vice-versa for NA) to maximum 10% of the total player cap of each wvw map. (10% is just a random percentage ofcourse, may vary).
Or in other words:
0% < EU population < 100%
0% < non EU population < 10%
whilst the sum of the 2 at all times can not exceed 100% (of the current population limit ofcourse)

this is a fairly convoluted solution
let me simplify it

region IP blocks

American players in US servers
EU players in EU servers
Oceanic players in Asian servers

then, if some players decide to pull an all-nighter, thats perfectly valid, hats off to them. I hope winning a 1 week server matchup is worth risking their jobs/studies after poor performance due to lack of sleep.

but at least the people winning like that are sacrificing themselves for the win, which is the spirit of the whole thing. right now they aint sacrificing absolutly nothing, they go to sleep just the same as their enemies do, and then “someone else” wins the game for them.

so there it is. region blocks. the simpliest solution to the problem.

This is a business for them and money is the first thing in their minds, hence region blocks are going to happen.

ANet arent idiots and Im totally sure they know the amount of peoplekitten over this “internationalization” of some servers is far bigger than the amount of “foreigners” playing in that servers. Keeping the majority of your customers happy is top priority for them.

region block. its a matter of when, not if.

Who will you blame your loss on then ?the jobless ? The pro- gamers ? kids on holiday ? Bored housewives ?

Once again,you may like to step out of your us and them state of mind.We are all foriegners on the internet,nobody resides here.

Adapt or die,it’s really quite a simple solution.

I guess Australian gamers are lucky that we dont really have to adjust,since we’ve been international team players from the get go of online gaming

Just 3 things need to be implemented:

1. Give guilds information. Separate the day into three 8 hour blocks (EU PRIME, NA PRIME, ASIAN/OCEANIC PRIME). Then rank the servers according to queue times during those 3 hour blocks. This gives guilds information on where to move and move away from high populated servers to less populated servers.

2. Don’t penalize guilds for transferring. All of the guilds progress and buff accumulation should go with them – don’t take this away when a guild wants to transfer from a high populated server in their Prime Time playing zone to another less populated server.

3. Match servers that go up against each other according to their prime time 8 hour playtime clock. Pit the Oceanics/Asian strong pop servers that have weak NA Prime pops against each other. Don’t just use point totals to tally up the score – take population balances and server profile into consideration.

I believe with those 3 fixes – we should see a smoother time in WvW. Also, people need to have patience – the smoothing out process takes time so hang in there, but give the guilds information and don’t penalize them when they try to move out of high pop servers.

There is hardly any “war” or “fighting” about night-capping vs a thin populated server.

Borderlands: What happens, at about 24-02 at night, is that Gandara is starting to log off, though not all. People are still around. Suddenly people realize that the other servers are just zerging those 50 people still around. Those 50 people realize that getting molested without a shred of a chance, is not fun in any way, and go to Eternal BG. When EBG thins out too, same stuff happens, and people realize that this isn’t fun either, and goes to PvE.
Current mechanics create a catch-22 situation.

When morning rises, Gandara comes back online, and realizes that a steep uphill fight is about to take place. It is not fair in anyway, despite OP’s claim.

Something needs to be done to fix this issue. I love PvP, but getting steamrolled because you are vastly outnumbered at night, is not fun in anyway.

nidwin.6731:

There are no asian servers Konrad and as far as I know there are no plans for asian servers.

um, my mistake then. I tot they had already opened the chinese korean and SEA servers

anyway they are coming in the short term afaik, so soon enough they should be able to do it

Temper.7265:

Who will you blame your loss on then ?the jobless ? The pro- gamers ? kids on holiday ? Bored housewives ?

and why would you care? I play against other people on my same zone in prime time, you do the same. early birds are rarer than you think, and chances are there’s the same (scarce) amount of all-nighters in all 3 servers. doubtful they cap many objetives like that, let alone map domination.

everyone’s happy.

why do you act as if this was some kind of punishment? afraid that your winning streak will go down to a full stop if the other side isnt empty?

This is funny, because if those French Canadians were on your server you wouldn’t be posting!
We are having the same problem this week against 2 French servers, but tbh who cares? At least we have something to do all day would be boring having it all and nothing to do.