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XTD: We chose RaidCall over TS for 1 simple reason. You guys were jerks in TS. I will not support a voice comm for a server where Jerks run the show and people are allowed to throw insults like candy on halloween.

After you left I started making an attempt to get TeamSpeak on track with a more friendly environment and Xivor and Scriptko went above and beyond to make that happen. Yet GSCH still did not use TS primarily for 1 simple reason. They did not want off server people coming to our teamspeak. I run events open to everyone regardless of their server and this would not allow us to continue doing so.

After Season 3, they dropped that mandate and allowed me to invite anyone and everyone into the Community Events channel of our TS. Since then GSCH has been 100% supportive of using TS for all Community Events and WvW.

Simple: Don’t be a jerk, and people might want to hang out with you.

P.S. The SOR Teamspeak is using a 400 person license donated by a Gaiscioch member. Hows that for irony.

Have your pride on a dead server.
I will have fun on an active one.

X T D.6458:

Have your pride on a dead server.
I will have fun on an active one.

khavefunbye

Reading this thread and seeing the responses from these casual SoR players that are now stepping up to the plate on SoR for WvW is seriously frustrating. Most of these people have zero clue about the hard efforts that many went through to revitalize WvW after Java chips left until October. KOGS, RA, FIRE, IQ, EG, MEGA, RISE, and more. All guilds that were born and bred on SoR, some of us, like FIRE, from day 1. These guilds pushed to the limits to build up the SoR community and improve our WvW capabilities, many if us doing so as PvX guilds that just cared just a little too much. But, all these harsh words from those that did not see the strong, positive efforts of those that strove hard to improve SoR and keep our remnants together as we fell and stabilized. Few of these saw the relentless efforts to recruit other guilds.

Sure, we all ended up leaving…for different reasons. But that does not diminish the fact that SoR had a core of guilds that were actively doing exactly the things suggested in this thread… For about a 7 month tenure. So, to see the goodbye, good riddance bugs me. I know of a lot of good people that invested in SoR, that started on SoR from day one, that were finally driven off the server by the if-you-like-organized-wvw-then-you-are-too-elite-for-us group. Maybe this group of people needs to rewind a few months. Not everyone that left SoR had anything to do with T1 elite WvW isolationism. Many of us left because we wanted a strong community that had some semblance of organization, communication, and unity within WvW, and SoR was building that, but eventually just fizzled. Give some consideration to the middle group. Not the elite, not the casual, but the workhorses that cared too much…to a fault.

xivor.8754:

Reading this thread and seeing the responses from these casual SoR players that are now stepping up to the plate on SoR for WvW is seriously frustrating. Most of these people have zero clue about the hard efforts that many went through to revitalize WvW after Java chips left until October. KOGS, RA, FIRE, IQ, EG, MEGA, RISE, and more. All guilds that were born and bred on SoR, some of us, like FIRE, from day 1. These guilds pushed to the limits to build up the SoR community and improve our WvW capabilities, many if us doing so as PvX guilds that just cared just a little too much. But, all these harsh words from those that did not see the strong, positive efforts of those that strove hard to improve SoR and keep our remnants together as we fell and stabilized. Few of these saw the relentless efforts to recruit other guilds.

Sure, we all ended up leaving…for different reasons. But that does not diminish the fact that SoR had a core of guilds that were actively doing exactly the things suggested in this thread… For about a 7 month tenure. So, to see the goodbye, good riddance bugs me. I know of a lot of good people that invested in SoR, that started on SoR from day one, that were finally driven off the server by the if-you-like-organized-wvw-then-you-are-too-elite-for-us group. Maybe this group of people needs to rewind a few months. Not everyone that left SoR had anything to do with T1 elite WvW isolationism. Many of us left because we wanted a strong community that had some semblance of organization, communication, and unity within WvW, and SoR was building that, but eventually just fizzled. Give some consideration to the middle group. Not the elite, not the casual, but the workhorses that cared too much…to a fault.

Well said Xivor, not all of us were wvw elitists who abused people in ts, thats why we stayed and tried to rebuild SoR. We knew the bad reputation those guilds left which is why we tried to repair it, we put in real time and effort to help in many ways. But you guys dont care, and never cared. Because of your shortsightedness and stubborness all you can do is blame everyone else, and never bothered to try to help or say thanks for the effort to those who cared and tried to help. Now you have your graveyard all to yourselves, enjoy it.

X T Not a graveyard, and loving every minute of it. Those that brave this wilderness are having fun. There’s no denying that when you come onto our TS anymore. People are actually enjoying themselves, some of us for the first time in SOR history.

Hey long as people are having fun, all that matters. Things had to be said, but I dont want it to get personal because while I do not agree with your attitudes regarding wvw. You have a lot of nice generous people in GSCH, I hope that wasnt lost in this heated exchange. Breaking up is hard to do

Xivor: buddy, I complimented you, why are you taking insult? That comment wasn’t directed at you at all. Synosius.9876 posted that to the person from HL.

This is the BIGGEST problem i’ve seen with a lot of people lately. Everyone takes everything said and applies it to themselves. I say your elitist and everyone assumes i’m talking to them. Thats not the case

Xivor, you bled SOR. Nobody can take that away from you. I have never in my days see anyone fight so hard for a server. You have nothing to feel bad about. In the history of SOR you’re our Abraham Lincoln. Pretty sure Karaoke is our John Madden, and Peanutt is our Carrot top.

Eh, I was never anything more than a bit player, I don’t deserve any sort of comparison. I thought my experiences as a guild leader who helped introduce a number of PvE-only players to WvW would come in handy, but… outside of the handful of guilds who’ve now moved over to NSP, there wasn’t much interest in hearing my perspective.

Oh, and Ecto.

Same here, I dont consider myself anything special but just someone who cared a lot about helping out, it was a team effort that many of us, like you Timmy took part in, dont sell yourself short. Sometimes things just dont work out for various reasons, and a fresh start is best.

X T D : If you guys cared so much about SOR why do we have 3 pages of you guys baggin on it? Why do you continue to ensure that your better than us? Why do you feel the need to try to kick someone who’s down?

If you have any love and respect for what YOU built, why do you keep kittening on it? Why not let those of us who chose to stay here, and I do mean that we chose to be here, we chose to be in Tier 8, this is “Our Doing” as you so much like to point out.

We are happy here, we are having fun, and enjoying ourselves. Not only that but we are starting to improve. We’ve crawled out of last place and are now moving back up the ranks. How high we don’t know, but the point is that RIGHT NOW, not yesterday, we finally have a Sanctum of Rall community that embraces each other and has started building that unity that X T D, Indo, Javachips, Xivor, Timmy and all of you guys fought for. So perhaps instead of spitting on us and seeing who can sling the most insults, leave us be and see what happens. Maybe it took all this to happen for our server to finally figure out it’s way. Kinda like real life, we all take bumps and bruises but in the end we end up where we need to be when we need to be.

We are trying, and succeeding, to build a new community here around a new premise, one that since has not been explored. We’re no longer fighting for the win, we’re fighting for our kin. Regardless of what happens at the end of the week we know we have each others back.

So please, if you have any pride in anything that you did at one time for Sanctum of Rall please take pride in knowing that you had your part in our story and what we become is because of the chain of events that has transpired.

Lastly Dead Servers don’t tick at 605 PPT.
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That was this Sunday Night. Saturday at noon we were ticking 480PPT.

We may not be able to maintain that 24/7, but saying we’re a Dead Server is so far from the truth. We’re alive and well and finally starting to grow again.

I can’t speak for everyone but with that sale that just happened GSCH has had to start rotating people in and out of roster again on a 14 day window. We’re sitting near capacity now and will most likely have to open up our 2nd room again for people here soon.

The Borderlands seem to be getting more populated every day. Somehow in all this we have found a way to enjoy ourselves.

Nobody made you leave, you chose to leave. You chose to close the book on your chapter on Sanctum of Rall. What you did in that chapter is yours forever. I hope that in your time here you had fond memories, but your chapter here is done. You’ve moved on, we’ve moved on.

The rest of us chose to keep writing, keep fighting, keep believing. No good story is without strife, no victor without defeat. For an epic tale you need a rise, a fall, and a rise again. Sanctum of Rall’s tale isn’t about being #1, it’s about coming together as a group of people, enduring when others gave up, and carrying on the name regardless of the situation.

So is this really about how much you loved Sanctum of Rall, or is it ensuring that we don’t succeed so that you don’t have to wonder what could have been if you never left. With enough patience and perseverance, everyone can recover from defeat.

Hey, theres only 1 guy in the world who can’t point at someone else and say “At least I aint that poor bas%*&$” and we aint that guy anymore. And from my short experience on SoR I can say in all honesty-the GSCH commanders are money.

I think its a bit dramatic to start the whole merger thing over falling down…
Servers come and go in gold/silver all the time…. like any Empire you have your time in the sun they you will get raided back down. As time goes on, you will slowly start to rebuild and climb your way back up the ladder.

Servers that have fluctuated a lot over the last year:
Kaineng
SoS
CD
HoD

Just recruit harder, have a come to jesus type of meeting with your commanders and guild leaders and start moving your base around.

Wow I can’t believed u guys still talking about SOR server. don’t feel bad about SOR just be happy about it like the WF guild, is happy being in SOR server hahahaha. O diba wala kayo doon xD. ops another foreign language my bad.

Having been in SOR when they were in T1, and knowing that they were headed to T2 and the massive blow-out between TW and CHOO after S1 caused the mass exodus.

As a Euro guild, we had no choice but to move. The rest jumped to stay in T1 as long as it wasn’t with TW.

T1 is not as glamorous as most think, facing massive blobs all the time, and guilds constantly jumping servers either to be in T1 or to get away from the Blobs.

The point is, don’t worry about PPT. Have a community meeting of the leaders. Organize yourselves, set raid times, go into WvW and have fun. Create Specific WvW guilds if you need to. (watching Dods rage quit his raid over getting wiped several times by the necro parade was hilarious)

Get the PvE guilds to come to WvW at least one night a week. Eventually these things can build up your WvW base.

The community leaders can encourage their members to do raid nights, also, doing events in WvW can be fun. In Tarnished coast, they have Quaggan races, Golem races, Necromancer parades, Etc. For us, its about having Fun, not winning.

You don’t have to Win, you just need to have fun. The winning will come.

Having fun is winning, winning does not mean you have fun.

"The objective is to win. The goal is to have fun."

@Pagan, I wonder did it depend on what timezone you where in to see who was arguing on SoR back then, me and my friends all left when the backstabbing became to much, we watched people bad mouth commanders etc on TS who where actually tagged up, while the very people who where doing the bad mouthing sat in private channels on TS and ran tagless with there guilds, in an ironic twist of fate, some of them people moved to another T1 server and started the same drama all over again,

I think SoR was just unlucky that they had a stable community that was doing well, they then had a massive influx of players that really pushed there coverage up, with that 6 months of coverage older SoR community members joined newer guilds and forged new friends therefore when the guilds moved on they went with them, so the coverage dropped,

Id say that for SoR its important not to let 1 or 2 people get power crazy like before and ruin it for nearly everyone who uses your TS/Vent/Mumble, but alas I have no doubt SoR community is as strong as ever, as before mega server they always had good coverage, im sure they will move back up as they regroup there community, and I wish them luck.

Ahhhh!!! Good old sor no hassle more fun xD. Keep it up

Well, I must admit that Christmas break has been doing miracles for SoR. We finally live again. WvW is very fun as it hasn’t been in a very long time.

I know that SoR put some decent numbers in WvW during Christmas break, but running from Kaineng and rolling SF, who has a small fraction of your numbers, it’s fun, but doesn’t yet put you in the primetime. Now SoR is hiding from BP while spawn camping SF, classy.

I just wish they’d do some sort of megaserver thing so that low WvW pop servers don’t get kicked around every week for someone else’s jollies.

I, from Kaineng, really enjoyed the fights we had with you guys. (We is the SIN guild ). A mega server is the worst idea that has emerged on this forum. No offense to those who proposed it, but it is usually propelled by people from higher tiers who think that high tier roaning/zerging is the only way to enjoy the game. Let me tell you, I have played all play styles of WvW on tier 1,3,5, & 7/8, and t7/8 is the most entertaining and most unique. on average, the skill level of low tiers is higher because everyone is a roamer. The Zergs are generally a lower skill level player group that have numbers, leading to some very interesting and entertaining fights (not all Zergs have low skill average, just most of the pug ones, and a few of the guild groups)

Edit: Special shout out to GSCH and xFx, they gave us some great fights

I only just started playing again after at least a year away from the game and as such know next to nothing about the fall of Sor. However I do want to clarify something that seems o have caused drama within this thread.

The term casual gamer has for some reason changed in meaning over the last half decade to mean something quite different.

A casual gamer used to be someone who played games only a few hours a week socially and often knew little about what they were doing and while they could follow basic directions when told, they rarely would know why these directions were given.

This has somehow changed to someone that is a gamer that understands the game they are playing well but only has time to log in a few times a week.

timmyf.1490:

Casual doesn’t mean ignorant. You can play casually a few hours a week and still take time to update your traits and switch out a few pieces of equipment.

GSCH actually has many of both the definitions of casual gamer. As such many of them actually are ignorant to the finer points of changing trait builds for WvW and while some would be willing to change to a build you specified for them they would not understand why.

To go even further some of those ignorant don;t care about increasing their efficiency they just wan to play with people and have fun. GSCH would never exclude them from an event for that reason because that is not the GSCH way.

My wife is one of those blissfully ignorant. She is a Hunter who refuses to use any weapon but Axe/Axe because they look cool and refuses to swap pets because “I love my panther too much”. She doesn’t care that Axe/Axe is literally impossible to make efficient, nor does she care that by not pet swapping she is ignoring one of the more powerful pieces of her class. I have done my best to help her build a trait build with as many useful traits as possible but she doesn’t understand why I chose half the traits that I did for her and she only slightly cares.

While there are not a ton of GSCH members like my wife there certainly are some and the day GSCH prevents them from joining in on WvW events would be the day I leave GSCH. So while I am sad to see SoR down near the bottom I certainly prefer the bottom to 45min queues and someone trying to tell my wife she can’t join in.

So while I would love to see more people on SoR fighting for the cause again. If they are unwilling to accept the fact there may be some people like my wife there just to have fun, especially during community events, then I would prefer they pick a different server.

I hope no one was offended by this other than my wife, she is welcome to be offended by my portrayal of her. I was just trying to clarify a point that appeared to never have been resolved in this thread.

It’s true that “casual” means different things to different people. And no, I don’t ever expect that EVERYBODY will take the time to learn their class well, run effective builds, and care about winning or not.

But I got the feeling that a lot of people on SoR weren’t just saying “I do not personally care to try to perform better as performance is a metric that does not matter to me” (an opinion that is perfectly fine to have), but rather “you are a bad person for trying to help players who choose to join you be better.”

My own personal breaking point on this was seeing GSCH members laugh at us for running WvW training events. High-ranking members. People important to the WvW community on SoR.

Anyway, I’m glad to see Fog taking a more active role in WvW lately and it looks like it’s doing a lot of good. I keep hearing about how much fun you guys are having over there, so I’m glad you found your niche, even if it’s a niche that is entirely uninteresting to me.

Well I guess I missed a lot of the “doom-and-gloom” days. VIG started on Day 1, but we decided to try out ESO and have returned since the new year and are back to our havoc squad ways. There’s been a lot of great smaller-scale fights in the lower tiers, especially against SIN from Kaineng.

SOR has been winning the last few weeks and we all seem to be having a lot of fun in the BLs.

If you make it fun others will want to join in > more peeps mean more numbers, fresh blood, fresh talent > more victories

I’m sure eventually we’ll plateau, we may not head back to T1 but this iteration of WvW’ers is in a sweet spot – we are winning AND having fun without having to burn people out.

Speaking personally, that’s a pretty nice niche to be in.

I keep having SoR peeps telling me that I need to come back to SoR. While I think that some on SoR may miss me, I think there will be a lynch mob waiting at my arrival, lol. I have an alt currently on SoR, but I am hesitant to level it. SoR is doing well, and I hope that they rise to T4ish. I want to fight my buds over on SoR if they get faced against NSP. :-) Smitty/Jordyee/Hella, I would love to command against you!

xivor.8754:

I keep having SoR peeps telling me that I need to come back to SoR. While I think that some on SoR may miss me, I think there will be a lynch mob waiting at my arrival, lol. I have an alt currently on SoR, but I am hesitant to level it. SoR is doing well, and I hope that they rise to T4ish. I want to fight my buds over on SoR if they get faced against NSP. :-) Smitty/Jordyee/Hella, I would love to command against you!

Let us know when you’re doing Ranger Night and I’ll bring my Mesmer. :-)

Came back to GW2 after a few months away. I’m still on SoR. Get in with a really great WvW guild [BARD], the fights are great, its fun and light and its not the lag fest of T1/T2. I love it.

aha you reap what you sow. none of us will ever go back, not with all that useless drama you made us go through. rott in tier 8 forever you guys deserve every bit of it especially the crap pve guilds bye and good riddance

Solo.2416:

aha you reap what you sow. none of us will ever go back, not with all that useless drama you made us go through. rott in tier 8 forever you guys deserve every bit of it especially the crap pve guilds bye and good riddance

Us “crap pver’s” are holding our own in tier 6 and giving a tier 5 server a run for their money.

Solo.2416:

aha you reap what you sow. none of us will ever go back, not with all that useless drama you made us go through. rott in tier 8 forever you guys deserve every bit of it especially the crap pve guilds bye and good riddance

Wow, that’s bitter all right. Sadly for you I agree that we deserve what we have and it’s awesome. Your loss…

Solo.2416:

aha you reap what you sow. none of us will ever go back, not with all that useless drama you made us go through. rott in tier 8 forever you guys deserve every bit of it especially the crap pve guilds bye and good riddance

SoR has one of the best MMO communities I have seen……I am extremely happy you are no longer part of it. Enjoy wherever you are, and please stay there.

What T5 server are you talking about CD or IoJ both got their WvW population destroyed by being in T3.

Krustydog.3072:

Solo.2416:

aha you reap what you sow. none of us will ever go back, not with all that useless drama you made us go through. rott in tier 8 forever you guys deserve every bit of it especially the crap pve guilds bye and good riddance

Us “crap pver’s” are holding our own in tier 6 and giving a tier 5 server a run for their money.

That’s nice but until you figure out a way to attract wvw oriented players/guilds you won’t climb beyond t4 for very long. It doesn’t take much more than a little bit of extra covereage to jump up to t4. “Real” dedication starts to make a big difference t3 and above when it comes to wvw.

Kanebrake.6192:

Krustydog.3072:

Solo.2416:

aha you reap what you sow. none of us will ever go back, not with all that useless drama you made us go through. rott in tier 8 forever you guys deserve every bit of it especially the crap pve guilds bye and good riddance

Us “crap pver’s” are holding our own in tier 6 and giving a tier 5 server a run for their money.

That’s nice but until you figure out a way to attract wvw oriented players/guilds you won’t climb beyond t4 for very long. It doesn’t take much more than a little bit of extra covereage to jump up to t4. “Real” dedication starts to make a big difference t3 and above when it comes to wvw.

I think you misunderstood his post. SoR has a WvW community that is just now building itself up, they are not PVEers trying to WvW in PVE setups. SoR is very outnumbered in this current matchup, but its core WvW players are better and that’s why it has remained so even.

SoR’s zergs are not even close to being the size that CD can put out on average, and they have beaten them in a large amount of exchanges despite that, because native SoR players have actual WVW guilds teaching people how to WVW now. SoR has always been strong in open field regardless, so it is no surprise that they can perform well there outnumbered.

Coverage is of course a problem because the WVW community there is still smaller than the servers that it’s fighting. It should also be noted that SoR is not terribly interested in attracting “WVW oriented guilds” in order to climb tiers. If they come, they come, but most of SoR’s WVW community would still be okay if they rest in tier 4-5, where there is rarely any drama to be had and lots of fun and close matches.

SoR is rising purely because native SoR players have started getting good at WVW and guilds that are native to SoR have made that possible. It has no queues, it often has the outnumbered buff, but SoR has been competitive against larger servers despite that and everyone is having fun and making friends in the new community. That’s what SoR needs: to build up a strong native base for the server, not to try to attract bandwagons and rely on them. What happens when they leave for the next hot server? The server dies again because the core is too weak. That’s GW2 WVW.

As a previous member of SOR before my transfer off of it, i can honestly tell you with the way the community is over there. It will never see T1 again no, but they will infact be able to hold their own in the tiers they are in. however the loss of guilds and other parts of the community is causing the community to go against their original views, Foghladha would remember me as Igniaz from GSCH. i remember the ceremony we had for Roger we had on the server when it was first obtained and over on Rift, the community has changed since launch and is now much much less like it was planned to be.

Joey.2769:

What T5 server are you talking about CD or IoJ both got their WvW population destroyed by being in T3.

Be that as it may there’s still a whole Texas kitten load more of them than there are of us. They outnumber us AND have better coverage yet we still remain competitive. I am kitten proud of SoR.

Krustydog.3072:

Joey.2769:

What T5 server are you talking about CD or IoJ both got their WvW population destroyed by being in T3.

Be that as it may there’s still a whole Texas kitten load more of them than there are of us. They outnumber us AND have better coverage yet we still remain competitive. I am kitten proud of SoR.

What a load of bull. You guys have similar coverage and numbers. Why do you think the scores are so close? Don’t tell me you actually think it’s because of skill? Some SoR guy mentioned they queued 3 maps last week on reset. Last time CD and IoJ saw anything close to a 3 map queue was during the tournament before both servers’ guilds jumped onto the T2 bandwagon. Interesting tidbit. Mag with a 3 map reset queue absolutely steamrolled both CD + Ebay and would have crushed IoJ too if they were in the same matchup.

Deathdom.8250:

Krustydog.3072:

Joey.2769:

What T5 server are you talking about CD or IoJ both got their WvW population destroyed by being in T3.

Be that as it may there’s still a whole Texas kitten load more of them than there are of us. They outnumber us AND have better coverage yet we still remain competitive. I am kitten proud of SoR.

What a load of bull. You guys have similar coverage and numbers. Why do you think the scores are so close? Don’t tell me you actually think it’s because of skill? Some SoR guy mentioned they queued 3 maps last week on reset. Last time CD and IoJ saw anything close to a 3 map queue was during the tournament before both servers’ guilds jumped onto the T2 bandwagon. Interesting tidbit. Mag with a 3 map reset queue absolutely steamrolled both CD + Ebay and would have crushed IoJ too if they were in the same matchup.

“Some SoR guy” is not a very reliable account. They have never queued three maps since dropping from what I have seen, they have a hard time even defending their own BL past prime hours if a guild isn’t staying up late and have to regain it after lol. They did queue EB at reset, but not any BL.

The scores are so close because their dedicated guilds play long hours in the day despite smaller numbers. If you actually participated in zerg fights you would know how much smaller SoR’s numbers are on average.

SoR was outnumbered often vs Gate of Madness’ top zergs too, just fyi. The difference is that CD is capable of outnumbering SoR like that for longer periods of time and CD are better players than GaoM. SoR was losing to servers like Kaineng and Ferguson Crossing as early as February, you can’t honestly believe they got a massive influx of players in one month that made it capable of evenly matching CD. SoR is running purely on the tenacity of three or four small to medium sized guilds that have gotten together and started teaching people what to do.

I’m honestly sorry if it bothers you to hear that SoR’s WVW community is not large, but it really is not and you would realize that if you had experience on the server rather than taking the account of “some sor guy” as fact. If I had to give you any advice, it would be to not take things so seriously and enjoy the match. SoR is still very much in its early recovery stages and it will take time to get more players into WVW than they have now, and from what you said CD is not in top form either.

SoR is doing better because of a LOT of returning players. They were once a T1 server. You don’t get to T1 without the pug population. That population is being reactivated on SoR due to the expac announcement.

Reverence.6915:

SoR is doing better because of a LOT of returning players. They were once a T1 server. You don’t get to T1 without the pug population. That population is being reactivated on SoR due to the expac announcement.

Still wont be nearly as high as it originaly was if TC opens up again or JQ & BG for that matter.

Foghladha.2506:

XTD: We chose RaidCall over TS for 1 simple reason. You guys were jerks in TS. I will not support a voice comm for a server where Jerks run the show and people are allowed to throw insults like candy on halloween.

After you left I started making an attempt to get TeamSpeak on track with a more friendly environment and Xivor and Scriptko went above and beyond to make that happen. Yet GSCH still did not use TS primarily for 1 simple reason. They did not want off server people coming to our teamspeak. I run events open to everyone regardless of their server and this would not allow us to continue doing so.

After Season 3, they dropped that mandate and allowed me to invite anyone and everyone into the Community Events channel of our TS. Since then GSCH has been 100% supportive of using TS for all Community Events and WvW.

Simple: Don’t be a jerk, and people might want to hang out with you.

P.S. The SOR Teamspeak is using a 400 person license donated by a Gaiscioch member. Hows that for irony.

One thing you and i agree on for once, SOR is not dead. but its barely afloat, as it stands. its rebuilding, but do you honestly believe it will ever be at the population it was once at Fog? think clearly on this.

^pretty sure fog had me confused with someone else, I was on sor till after the 3rd season and never trolled anyone in TS, its true though that there was a lot of abuse and trolling going on in the ts during sor’s t1 days, after they all left I was one of the first people to work on the new one with java, papa bear, and fog, setting up channels and stuff and outlining the new rules for behavior as we were all very aware of the past behavior. Wanted to throw that out there to clear up any confusion to fog.

In terms of SoR’s current status, its very similar to what happened prior to season 3, where we were winning matchups and started rising up a bit in ranks and tiers. But the difficulties in getting the coverage and staying competitive during the 3rd season took its toll and eventually led to the 3rd exodus, so the current rise its more likely due to casual attitude regarding matchups among enemy servers. Next season comes along, its anyones bet.

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^pretty sure fog had me confused with someone else, I was on sor till after the 3rd season and never trolled anyone in TS, its true though that there was a lot of abuse and trolling going on in the ts during sor’s t1 days, after they all left I was one of the first people to work on the new one with java, papa bear, and fog, setting up channels and stuff and outlining the new rules for behavior as we were all very aware of the past behavior. Wanted to throw that out there to clear up any confusion to fog.

In terms of SoR’s current status, its very similar to what happened prior to season 3, where we were winning matchups and started rising up a bit in ranks and tiers. But the difficulties in getting the coverage and staying competitive during the 3rd season took its toll and eventually led to the 3rd exodus, so the current rise its more likely due to casual attitude regarding matchups among enemy servers. Next season comes along, its anyones bet.

Realized these posts were two months ago xD sounds like a firestorm, but i left SOR and went to TC. however i found a guild on my other account on Piken Square so i ditched the NA servers entirely.

Merging servers is a really bad idea imo. Not everyone is looking for huge populations. Mega servers basically ruined any enjoyment in PvE because it was believed that more players is good. Well, it’s not for everyone.

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^pretty sure fog had me confused with someone else, I was on sor till after the 3rd season and never trolled anyone in TS, its true though that there was a lot of abuse and trolling going on in the ts during sor’s t1 days, after they all left I was one of the first people to work on the new one with java, papa bear, and fog, setting up channels and stuff and outlining the new rules for behavior as we were all very aware of the past behavior. Wanted to throw that out there to clear up any confusion to fog.

In terms of SoR’s current status, its very similar to what happened prior to season 3, where we were winning matchups and started rising up a bit in ranks and tiers. But the difficulties in getting the coverage and staying competitive during the 3rd season took its toll and eventually led to the 3rd exodus, so the current rise its more likely due to casual attitude regarding matchups among enemy servers. Next season comes along, its anyones bet.

I honestly don’t see how you could believe that is the more likely cause if you spend any time at all on SoR. I don’t spend a lot of time on SoR WVW myself, but the new WVW guilds that were made and old commanders getting back into the game are absolutely the cause for their rise.

As I said, last month they were losing in tier 7, this month they are giving larger tier 5 servers a competitive fight. That does not happen simply because other servers are treating it casually. Whether or not the new guilds have the motivation to keep it up, or if other new guilds are made to support them, remains to be seen. However, judging from your posts in this thread, you do not want to see it succeed on its own and that is where this post stems from.

SoR’s WVW is quite active despite not being able to field massive raids currently.

pokes the bees nest again while giggling maniacally

GOOD TIMES!

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^pretty sure fog had me confused with someone else, I was on sor till after the 3rd season and never trolled anyone in TS, its true though that there was a lot of abuse and trolling going on in the ts during sor’s t1 days, after they all left I was one of the first people to work on the new one with java, papa bear, and fog, setting up channels and stuff and outlining the new rules for behavior as we were all very aware of the past behavior. Wanted to throw that out there to clear up any confusion to fog.

In terms of SoR’s current status, its very similar to what happened prior to season 3, where we were winning matchups and started rising up a bit in ranks and tiers. But the difficulties in getting the coverage and staying competitive during the 3rd season took its toll and eventually led to the 3rd exodus, so the current rise its more likely due to casual attitude regarding matchups among enemy servers. Next season comes along, its anyones bet.

I honestly don’t see how you could believe that is the more likely cause if you spend any time at all on SoR. I don’t spend a lot of time on SoR myself, but the new WVW guilds that were made and old commanders getting back into the game are absolutely the cause for their rise.

As I said, last month they were losing in tier 7, this month they are giving larger tier 5 servers a competitive fight. That does not happen simply because other servers are treating it casually. Whether or not the new guilds have the motivation to keep it up, or if other new guilds are made to support them, remains to be seen. However, judging from your posts in this thread, you do not want to see it succeed on its own and that is where this post stems from.

SoR’s WVW is quite active despite not being able to field massive raids currently.

Being brutally honest with you Axo, i don’t want to see SOR succeed nearly as much as it used to. that would mean ONCE AGAIN going against the memory of roger in hopes of being the top server, i remember the mindset we had back when i was there while SOR was falling from grace.

well thats prob the biggest issue for sor currently because the higher up the the tiers the more competitive it gets, and more so with seasons. This will cause problems with those, especially in GSCH who prefer the more casual wvw setting, and never got along with the more hardcore wvw’ers. If sor goes to high it will basically self destruct again because its will have an essential identity crisis like before. And @axo I spent 22months on SoR I know the server and many people there very very well, which is why I said what I did. Some of my previous posts were not intended to be set in that tone, but the posts made by some other people kind of angered me to the point where my tone was less then civil, but hey how many of us never did that.

What gives the impression that the SOR wants to get to t1?
I can’t speak for all, but i know i don’t want it.