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Is the PTR server online ? Man you’ve been so lucky to try this new patch before it goes live…

Daendur.2357:

Is the PTR server online ? Man you’ve been so lucky to try this new patch before it goes live...

I rather give my thoughts based on what we already know, than wait until the last moment and only confirm what I suspected. At that point, early feedback is no longer of any meaning.

I didn’t mention small details in my post. If stuff like this was infact in the patch, I would expect them to be listed in the preview, next to other important changes such as level 13 listening posts inside Norn and Charr starting zones.

4 days before the patch is released any feedback is useless.
Btw, the fix to culling itself would be enough to make this the greatest WvW patch ever.

Then the feedback would be, announce changes further than 4 days in advance so feedback can actually mean something.

I won’t disagree with the fact culling is a big deal, I did clearly mention this in my post. But I am in my right to be critical towards ArenaNet for how they handled this update, and WvW in general.

ok but you really don’t know if they’ll add ascended gear in wvw or not (nor anything else).
So this thread is about nothing… it isn’t about what you know, but about what you don’t know. There’s a difference, I think.

They never said anything about ascended gear for this patch.

I make a profit in WvW.

Orbs will never return, thats already been said.

You dont NEED to do progression.

You know what i want?

~ No more skill lag
~ No more culling
~ New maps

All i want

Magnetron.5823:

They never said anything about ascended gear for this patch.

I make a profit in WvW.

Orbs will never return, thats already been said.

You dont NEED to do progression.

You know what i want?

~ No more skill lag
~ No more culling
~ New maps

All i want

They mentioned they would make Ascended gear available in more parts of the game including WvW. Sure, they never said when, but when you mark something as the WvW update, the only one announced, and the only one to date I might add, then it’s only fair to assume people would expect it to be this update. After all, ArenaNet never bothered to jump in and claim this was not the case, they just let the hype build up.

You make a profit in WvW because you don’t buy upgrades or siege equipement. You can not make a profit if you do, and even if you don’t, the level 20 blues you loot from underleveled enemies, and the level 80 grey items, really don’t do much more than cover your repair bill.

The orbs were an example of simple content (re-)additions. They could be adding anything that would then be considered content, from complicated new maps, or simply a new siege weapon.

And I already said a real WvW player doesn’t need a progression threadmill, so I’m not sure why you’re suggesting I claimed you need one.

Raap.9065:

You make a profit in WvW because you don’t buy upgrades or siege equipement. You can not make a profit if you do, and even if you don’t, the level 20 blues you loot from underleveled enemies, and the level 80 grey items, really don’t do much more than cover your repair bill.

You can use badges of honor to buy rams, treb, catas etcetc … and for the repair cost: try to die less…

Daendur.2357:

Raap.9065:

You make a profit in WvW because you don’t buy upgrades or siege equipement. You can not make a profit if you do, and even if you don’t, the level 20 blues you loot from underleveled enemies, and the level 80 grey items, really don’t do much more than cover your repair bill.

You can use badges of honor to buy rams, treb, catas etcetc ... and for the repair cost: try to die less...

I rarely die, but I do deploy more siege and purchase more upgrades than PvE Farmer Bob over there.

Thanks for the attempt to insult my player skill however. Can’t win an argument? Resort to insults instead! Top quality posting.

Your attempt to derail my thread into a low quality flame contest ends here however.

Raap.9065:

Daendur.2357:

Raap.9065:

You make a profit in WvW because you don’t buy upgrades or siege equipement. You can not make a profit if you do, and even if you don’t, the level 20 blues you loot from underleveled enemies, and the level 80 grey items, really don’t do much more than cover your repair bill.

You can use badges of honor to buy rams, treb, catas etcetc … and for the repair cost: try to die less…

I rarely die, but I do deploy more siege and purchase more upgrades than PvE Farmer Bob over there.

Thanks for the attempt to insult my player skill however. Can’t win an argument? Resort to insults instead! Top quality posting.

Your attempt to derail my thread into a low quality flame contest ends here however.

Wait, you spoke about repair costs … if you don’t die you have no repair costs. Sieges can be bought via badges .. so you can sell all your loot and make money.

Daendur.2357:

Raap.9065:

Daendur.2357:

Raap.9065:

You make a profit in WvW because you don’t buy upgrades or siege equipement. You can not make a profit if you do, and even if you don’t, the level 20 blues you loot from underleveled enemies, and the level 80 grey items, really don’t do much more than cover your repair bill.

You can use badges of honor to buy rams, treb, catas etcetc ... and for the repair cost: try to die less...

I rarely die, but I do deploy more siege and purchase more upgrades than PvE Farmer Bob over there.

Thanks for the attempt to insult my player skill however. Can’t win an argument? Resort to insults instead! Top quality posting.

Your attempt to derail my thread into a low quality flame contest ends here however.

Wait, you spoke about repair costs ... if you don’t die you have no repair costs. Sieges can be bought via badges .. so you can sell all your loot and make money.

Repair cost is just one of several expenses in WvW. Badges help, but badges don’t cover all your non-repair cost. Additionally, and perhaps this is a point I didn’t make clear enough, is that the gold obtained in WvW is still a complete joke compared to PvE.

It’s a big difference. WvW players talk Silver per hour, PvE farmers Gold per hour. It’s fine that PvE yields more gold, that’s what PvE is for, but it’s not fine that WvW is probably a bigger mandatory gold sink than PvE is. PvE offers a lot of optional gold sinks, WvW offers a lot of gold sinks that, while technically optional, any serious WvW player who plays "for the team", can not consider optional.

Does that make more sense?

Fully upgrading a tower can take a good chunk of what I make in a day.

John Widdin.9618:

Fully upgrading a tower can take a good chunk of what I make in a day.

Well there is your problem. Wooden towers and more zerging makes for more WvW progression points! Get out that and get zerging!

(The culling is the only good thing about this patch).

John Widdin.9618:

Fully upgrading a tower can take a good chunk of what I make in a day.

Seriously. It’s more profitable for everyone to not play by the designer’s intentions.

Daendur.2357:

4 days before the patch is released any feedback is useless.
Btw, the fix to culling itself would be enough to make this the greatest WvW patch ever.

Probably since we haven’t really had any WvW updates before…
Seriously, fixing something that should have been fixed during the betas is nothing.
I’m so disapointed to this game.

Do you people even know what an upgrade costs? The absolute cheapest upgrades are 10 silver. The higher ones are 1-2 GOLD each. You don’t make that up from the random blues and occasional green drops.

So sure, it may be roughly break even to positive for leaches, but for the responsible player, no, it’s a gold drain.

Thank you, for a moment I was wondering if I was still posting on the WvW forum, or if I accidently placed the thread in some other section.

Master of Timespace.2548:

Daendur.2357:

4 days before the patch is released any feedback is useless.
Btw, the fix to culling itself would be enough to make this the greatest WvW patch ever.

Probably since we haven’t really had any WvW updates before…
Seriously, fixing something that should have been fixed during the betas is nothing.
I’m so disapointed to this game.

k tnx bye.

The game isn’t perfect, and WvW is a neglected part of it; however they are finally working on it, and you ppl are still complaining about thing they may or may not include in a fairly unknown patch.
As I said, wvw is a parte of the game and it’s considered pve … best way to earn money is doing pve, CoF takes about 10 minutes and gives you almost 1g.
You can invest 10 minutes of your time and then upgrade your tower.

Daendur.2357:

As I said, wvw is a parte of the game and it’s considered pve … best way to earn money is doing pve, CoF takes about 10 minutes and gives you almost 1g.
You can invest 10 minutes of your time and then upgrade your tower.

Just highlighting for the devs, who I can’t imagine believe that this is an acceptable answer.

lol so 10 minutes in a PvE dungeon gives your 1g, whilst it takes me on average 6 hours in WvW to make that much!

Also for a WvW patch there sure seems to be a lot of PvE content. For a lot of people this patch was gonna make WvW and in turn GW2 for them; and if the only things we get are the end of culling and character bound achievements then I can see a lot of people leaving GW2.

Daendur.2357:

Master of Timespace.2548:

Daendur.2357:

4 days before the patch is released any feedback is useless.
Btw, the fix to culling itself would be enough to make this the greatest WvW patch ever.

Probably since we haven’t really had any WvW updates before…
Seriously, fixing something that should have been fixed during the betas is nothing.
I’m so disapointed to this game.

As I said, wvw is a parte of the game and it’s considered pve … best way to earn money is doing pve

You kind of just contradicted yourself there.

I get 1+ gold a day just getting my bloodlust stacks, selling T5 and T6 mats to the TP..

And as stated before, culling fixes will be the greatest addition to WvW since it’s inception.

As for ascended gear, do your laurels and wait it out. I still don’t have a single piece, and I have no competitive disadvantage.

I have no problems making cash in WvW can make 3-4g (Before* upgrading stuff) A night o.0 so that makes me about 2g a night in terms of profit which, sure isn’t much but it doesn’t sink my gold.

KinkyWarrior.1879:

I have no problems making cash in WvW can make 3-4g (Before* upgrading stuff) A night o.0 so that makes me about 2g a night in terms of profit which, sure isn’t much but it doesn’t sink my gold.

You can not pull 3-4g from WvW in ’a night’ (I assume you mean an evening since most players do not play at night outside of friday night resets in EU), not unless you get lucky on the RNG and pull out several rares or exotics from player loot bags, your numbers are not possible otherwise, especially not consistently, unless, and this is in theory, you run around in WvW in a full Magic Find set while using Omnomberry Bars as your WvW food.

Raap.9065:

KinkyWarrior.1879:

I have no problems making cash in WvW can make 3-4g (Before* upgrading stuff) A night o.0 so that makes me about 2g a night in terms of profit which, sure isn’t much but it doesn’t sink my gold.

You can not pull 3-4g from WvW in ‘a night’ (I assume you mean an evening since most players do not play at night outside of friday night resets in EU), not unless you get lucky on the RNG and pull out several rares or exotics from player loot bags, your numbers are not possible otherwise, especially not consistently, unless, and this is in theory, you run around in WvW in a full Magic Find set while using Omnomberry Bars as your WvW food.

Nope but I can wrack up a hundred kills+ a night and then I do my nightly Heavy loot bag lottery of which is normally a good 50+ of em if I save them. I then sell those mats on the TP and after selling all mah greens and blues to the merch I have wracked up 3ish gold normally (With variance of course). Throw in on that the odd rare which you can salvage for ectos or sell by itself.

And Yes I mean evening. Like i said 3-4g if I only have to repair but then more 2gish should I upgrade some stuff. Also I do my daily while running around in WvW so I sell the stuff I get from that.

Lets not forget event cash.. something like 2-3silver a tower/camp? I’m not sure but if you cap and defend enough things that adds up.

Daendur.2357:

4 days before the patch is released any feedback is useless.
Btw, the fix to culling itself would be enough to make this the greatest WvW patch ever.

Yeah, because there have been none.

Shifty.3412:

Daendur.2357:

Master of Timespace.2548:

Daendur.2357:

4 days before the patch is released any feedback is useless.
Btw, the fix to culling itself would be enough to make this the greatest WvW patch ever.

Probably since we haven’t really had any WvW updates before…
Seriously, fixing something that should have been fixed during the betas is nothing.
I’m so disapointed to this game.

As I said, wvw is a parte of the game and it’s considered pve … best way to earn money is doing pve

You kind of just contradicted yourself there.

Start porting from Orr to CoF and back again, and don’t do anything else. Let me know how much golds did you get then.

My point is you can’t focus on a single activity and claim it rewards you as the whole game would.
Maybe I should have written: “best way to earn money is doing some kind of pve”

I think you want to have your cake and eat it.

Daendur.2357:

Shifty.3412:

Daendur.2357:

Master of Timespace.2548:

Daendur.2357:

4 days before the patch is released any feedback is useless.
Btw, the fix to culling itself would be enough to make this the greatest WvW patch ever.

Probably since we haven’t really had any WvW updates before…
Seriously, fixing something that should have been fixed during the betas is nothing.
I’m so disapointed to this game.

As I said, wvw is a parte of the game and it’s considered pve … best way to earn money is doing pve

You kind of just contradicted yourself there.

Start porting from Orr to CoF and back again, and don’t do anything else. Let me know how much golds did you get then.

My point is you can’t focus on a single activity and claim it rewards you as the whole game would.
Maybe I should have written: “best way to earn money is doing some kind of pve”

I think you want to have your cake and eat it.

Wait. You’re saying that it’s okay for people who only do Dungeons/Orr to have the cake and eat it too, but it’s no okay for WvW player to have that? Great logic there dude.

Can someone point me to where all this patch info is? Link? Anything?

Askavi.6534:

Can someone point me to where all this patch info is? Link? Anything?

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/march-2013/

JaironKalach.4938:

Askavi.6534:

Can someone point me to where all this patch info is? Link? Anything?

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/march-2013/

Alright, seen that. Seen other dev posts in this section of the forums.

Ascended gear: Doesn’t say anywhere if this will or will not be available. It might, it might not. OP stated its absence in the upcoming patch as fact, which confused me.

You do know they haven’t even released the patch notes right. The preview for Mar. 26 =/= all released content changes

Askavi.6534:

Ascended gear: Doesn’t say anywhere if this will or will not be available. It might, it might not. OP stated its absence in the upcoming patch as fact, which confused me.

Considering the comments that were made and not even sure what of the normal sets will be included, I think it is a more then fair guess to assume ascended gear will not be included, but as far as I have seen there has been nothing definitive.

Raege.1069:

Wait. You’re saying that it’s okay for people who only do Dungeons/Orr to have the cake and eat it too, but it’s no okay for WvW player to have that? Great logic there dude.

Their goal is make money … and they do it.
Your goal is kill other player/conquer keeps … and you do it.
Maybe you can’t do both.

I just wonder who thought that WvW players wanted “new abilities” to be able to “take less damage from guards”. Honestly, who was the one that developed that idea? Did they ever play WvW? I imagine it probably went a bit like this:

Yes, let’s add things the players really want… like a progression system that involves rankings that reflect nothing of actual skill, but entirely of time invested. It will make it easier for them to exploit already broken mechanics! Yes, that is a good idea.

I’m just surprised that this is there response to a very broken part of the game, where players have remained patient for months with promises of legitimate fixes. I would be ashamed to have claimed and hyped this up. I honestly couldn’t be more disappointed in the way the “Great WvW Update” is being handled. Literally the most hyped up piece of junk to date.

PvE or GTFO is basically what this patch means.

But don’t worry, one of the new content updates is heralds! Because those aren’t already in the game! facepalm

Vincent Von Demetri.1450:

I just wonder who thought that WvW players wanted “new abilities” to be able to “take less damage from guards”. Honestly, who was the one that developed that idea? Did they ever play WvW? I imagine it probably went a bit like this:

Yes, let’s add things the players really want… like a progression system that involves rankings that reflect nothing of actual skill, but entirely of time invested. It will make it easier for them to exploit already broken mechanics! Yes, that is a good idea.

I’m just surprised that this is there response to a very broken part of the game, where players have remained patient for months with promises of legitimate fixes. I would be ashamed to have claimed and hyped this up. I honestly couldn’t be more disappointed in the way the “Great WvW Update” is being handled. Literally the most hyped up piece of junk to date.

PvE or GTFO is basically what this patch means.

But don’t worry, one of the new content updates is heralds! Because those aren’t already in the game! facepalm

DRAMAAAAAA bring me popcorn plz!

I vaguely remember reading that they were going to make ascended gear more accessble to wvw oriented players, I thought that is why they introduced laurels which did just that. I think it would be cool if they tied ascended gear directly into wvw somehow but I would’t say they didn’t throw a bone to www people regarding gear progression. At least you don’t have to grind dungeons, the effort to finish daily/monthlies is really minor.

Daendur.2357:

DRAMAAAAAA bring me popcorn plz!

Do you realize you’ve been insta-replying to anyone on this topic that had a comment to do with useless comments, failed logic, and just generally childish responses for 4 hours now? (and counting)
Did school get canceled or something? Move on to troll some other topic already.

Vincent Von Demetri.1450:

I just wonder who thought that WvW players wanted "new abilities" to be able to "take less damage from guards". Honestly, who was the one that developed that idea? Did they ever play WvW? I imagine it probably went a bit like this:

Yes, let’s add things the players really want... like a progression system that involves rankings that reflect nothing of actual skill, but entirely of time invested. It will make it easier for them to exploit already broken mechanics! Yes, that is a good idea.

I’m just surprised that this is there response to a very broken part of the game, where players have remained patient for months with promises of legitimate fixes. I would be ashamed to have claimed and hyped this up. I honestly couldn’t be more disappointed in the way the "Great WvW Update" is being handled. Literally the most hyped up piece of junk to date.

PvE or GTFO is basically what this patch means.

But don’t worry, one of the new content updates is heralds! Because those aren’t already in the game! *facepalm*

Don’t forget the level 13 radar dishes in the two starting zones, clearly also more important to preview than Ascended items, content additions, and currency income and expense consistency changes for WvW...

How can anyone be serious when they come into this thread and even suggest that these critical WvW updates might still be in the patch, when the preview is practically dedicated to the most insignificant PvE changes. Surely, those critical WvW updates would be spotlight stealers, if they were actually in the patch.

But like I said in my original post, I’d love to be wrong, I’d love to see ArenaNet surprise us and actually show their players they made an effort to match their own hype generation engine. Until then, I keep my feet firmly in the realm of realism.

Daendur.2357:

DRAMAAAAAA bring me popcorn plz!

Thanks for letting everyone know what your mental age is. It certainly saves me the effort of responding to you from now on.

Luiz Swordbreaker.6547:

Daendur.2357:

DRAMAAAAAA bring me popcorn plz!

Do you realize you’ve been insta-replying to anyone on this topic that had a comment to do with useless comments, failed logic, and just generally childish responses for 4 hours now? (and counting)
Did school get canceled or something? Move on to troll some other topic already.

You think it’s failed logic, just because you don’t get it… not my problem.
btw, are you stalking me? omg i’m afraid…

Daendur.2357:

Raege.1069:

Wait. You’re saying that it’s okay for people who only do Dungeons/Orr to have the cake and eat it too, but it’s no okay for WvW player to have that? Great logic there dude.

Their goal is make money … and they do it.
Your goal is kill other player/conquer keeps … and you do it.
Maybe you can’t do both.

Goal? I think everyone’s goal is to have fun. Dungeoneers have fun by doing dungeons and WvWrs have fun by doing WvW. The question is, why is Dungeoneer’s fun worth more than my fun?

Raege.1069:

Daendur.2357:

Raege.1069:

Wait. You’re saying that it’s okay for people who only do Dungeons/Orr to have the cake and eat it too, but it’s no okay for WvW player to have that? Great logic there dude.

Their goal is make money … and they do it.
Your goal is kill other player/conquer keeps … and you do it.
Maybe you can’t do both.

Goal? I think everyone’s goal is to have fun. Dungeoneers have fun by doing dungeons and WvWrs have fun by doing WvW. The question is, why is Dungeoneer’s fun worth more than my fun?

Because they chose the easy way…

btw one of my friends killed an invader a couple of weeks ago and he dropped a precursor (too bad it was a focus) and sold it for 80g…. a lot of upgrades.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/WvW-Rewards-New-Gear/first

So here an Anet employee states that gear variants are being added with this march update.

Magnetron.5823:

You know what i want?

~ No more skill lag
~ No more culling
~ New maps

Same here … except that ANet just stated that skill lag will get no better for a long time (per Habib’s post) and they also pretty much admitted that they have no plans to add more maps to WvW (see Mike Ferguson interview at http://guildwars-2.ru/an-interview-with-guild-wars-2-team/ )

I honestly don’t understand how people are still complaining about making money in WvW… Since the loot patch, I have made at least 7-10g a day in WvW. And I don’t sell rares or t6 mats.

OutspokenAardvark.9781:

I honestly don’t understand how people are still complaining about making money in WvW… Since the loot patch, I have made at least 7-10g a day in WvW. And I don’t sell rares or t6 mats.

That’s because us kainengians drop ya multiple greens not blue’s per kill, and give you something to the tune of 5s per kill with no mf/gold buffs.

Consider it lucky, tagging our zerg = 1g

Where did you see these details about the upcoming patch? I’m having trouble finding them for some reason.

We’re getting a WvW patch. I thought it would take at least a year, or even waiting for the next expansion to get anything new for WvW. I’ll not be complaining lest they take it back.

Actually that “less damage from guards” can be fairly useful for ganker type player like me. Guards are a real nuisance when you are already fighting against impossible odds.