Guild Wars 2

Balthazzarr.1349:

4days \= overnight

To achieve a 60K lead in four days you would have to have some sort of consistent lead from the beginnning. If you do basic math, that would mean an increase of 15K per day since reset happened. The week is like 60% done and the match was decided on
the second or third day.

Ok, seriously, before we go further, we need to define the variables, starting with the server pairing itself. What should its common or slang name be, so that we don’t have to keep typing cap letters, slashes, etc. to say “CD/BP/ET/Kain”?

Quad?
Quadgate?
Quadmonster?
Fab Four?

Other ideas? (all in jest, of course)

there are still good people on dh, and for them I will not explain what happened between our two servers because if I did there would be no way for dh to ever find people again.

I will say in the end though they are quick to blame lack of numbers for all their problems.

In regards to the matchup however it is too early to assume that the quad server will stay massive because everyone with an alt account on one of those servers is logging in to see what it’s like. Since reset night the numbers have already dropped massively. The tri server got run over by the same giant mobs that dh/eBay did, but we kept playing long enough to watch their numbers slowly level out.

Sweet Sanity.8593:

I will say in the end though they are quick to blame lack of numbers for all their problems.

DH/FC
NSP/SF
HOD/EB

Because we totally were not outnumbered.

It’s clear to see that you don’t actually understand the point. Even with statistics and opinions from players outside of the four server merge. It is still the same “Darkhaven is complaining for no reason.”

Congratulations.

My point is you are judging based on a couple days in which numbers are declining rapidly. Come back to the forum with the numbers in 2 weeks and let’s see the difference

Sweet Sanity.8593:

My point is you are judging based on a couple days in which numbers are declining rapidly. Come back to the forum with the numbers in 2 weeks and let’s see the difference

You mean when they move up? Like my entire point was about? Because they don’t actually belong in this tier?

Again, congratulations

Julius Seizure.4985:

Sweet Sanity.8593:

As much as I rip on dh though, really it is eBay who got the short end of the stick here. They did great with hod at the top of t4. They played very well and had a lot of good fights, but then they got stuck in last place as a guest to a dead server

You indeed have some serious anti-DH bias. Where did it come from? Look at the post above to see just how stupidly unbalanced this matchup is. The 4 server monster is more active than Blackgate…

I was thinking the same thing. HE/She sounds mad because a few ppl might have been mean to them I’m guessing? Guess what? There’s jerks on every server I’ve been on. I have 4 accts. and have been on many servers from gold tier to rust tier, so I can say that from experience. It’s a competitive mode on the internet. With anonymity there are trolls. And sometimes it’s quite entertaining.

People on every server complain, troll, blob, roam, use condi, stack boons, use venom-share, laugh at stupid players, don’t use TS ect ect. It’s not cool to generalise whole servers. I know it’s hard not to, believe me. But I’m willing to bet most of the players that were jerks to FC players(which I didn’t see an abnormal amount of tbh) are gone now anyhow. It’s a ghost town. I can only think of 1 guild that can field over 15 on the regular. It’s a joke that DH is Very High(in population that is).

I’ll actually miss running around with a few of the FC roamers. And lion guild also. Good peeps.

Rastaaa.3752:

Balthazzarr.1349:

4days \= overnight

To achieve a 60K lead in four days you would have to have some sort of consistent lead from the beginnning. If you do basic math, that would mean an increase of 15K per day since reset happened. The week is like 60% done and the match was decided on
the second or third day.

Ah well. You guys have stomped me enough times it should have brought your count up more!! ????

Teon.5168:

Balthazzarr.1349:

@Teon: Kaineng… until now you have always been the enemy! haa… Except for the people I know in game I have no idea who is on what server when I’m in there. Just running around looking for groups and fights.. and yes, there’s lots of action. Seriously all this talk about 1st, 2nd, 3rd… really? Do people really care? I don’t.. I just wanna find people to stomp…. and sadly, be stomped by of course! :P

Aye, it is odd to be linked with some of our old enemies……and yea, I don’t really care much about the score, either……it certainly doesn’t mean anything. My time in EB last night was just hilarious…..stomping and getting stomped galore!!!!

And very few T1 sized blobs. That was really nice.

It was glorious!

It’s an interesting situation, that is for sure.

Stay off the beaten path, and you can roam and havoc. Stay near towers and keeps and you get your zerg fights.

Thing is, with 4 servers our coverage is even better than I saw while we were with TC. I can be roaming and get in a 1v1 fight, and end up getting support (like, +2 to +4) I didn’t even ask for just because they saw my dot on the map moving funny and came running to the fight.

Unless people are coming to help because my server rep went up and no one told me, but I doubt that. People barely even know that TACO is out there most times with these numbers unlike before.

Balthazzarr.1349:

Ah well. You guys have stomped me enough times it should have brought your count up more!! ????

Are you playing a Revenant that wanders the south CD borderland, cause the other day I killed the same poor Revenant about 6 times in a row down there…. I felt bad, the 7th time I spotted him I left him alone and looked for someone new. Found a theif that we played ‘dash and duel’ for about 7 minutes. Then I got help I didn’t ask for and the fun ended…

Every server comments about their fairweathers, I just feel like nobody could’ve guessed the fairweather population of four servers combined, we’ll see I guess!

Regular SF WvWer here. I must admit that the matches are great fun, and both Ebay Haven and Crystal Borlis Crossing Terrace give us good fights. However, as someone said earlier (too lazy to quote) most of DH’s invades tend to fall short because they tend to get outnumbered as soon at the reinforcements run to the locations. Some also tend to run midfight, but that’s another story :P

When our main zerg is stuck in a life-or-AoE fight with 4W’s own zerg, team/map chat is covered with “help at this place” messages. They clearly have many more roaming teams than we do (which is excellent) and very efficient ones i may say. i remember seeing our 3 top alpine camps being seized in the span of 2 minutes while our main force kept losing ground to te invaders.

So yes, part of our troubles is not enough roaming split teams, but in the end if we sent half our population as roamers/defenders, we would get curb stomped and stuck to rely on AC and trebs to do anything.

The “Fantastic Four” will have a very hard time as it faces stronger servers. Organizing is difficult. We could also use a good pugmander. Haven’t seen a t1 quality tag yet

FC was really the one getting shafted for the past 2 months, not so much DH, considering there were hardly any DH playing WvW to GET shafted.

As soon as the matchup took a dive and it was a guaranteed loss every week, DH’s guilds left the server, and most of their pugs quit playing aside from a few minutes each day for dailys. FC’s wvw core continued to play throughout the entire link, which is really not a whole lot of people, but in the end pretty much the only people doing anything were the little FC guilds, who spent the whole time fighting without the support of our “larger” server ally DH.

The DH players complaining are the ones who didn’t jump ship with the rest of thier server and suffered along with the rest of us for it.

Although you can imagine FC’s frustrations when we got DH, and mapchat trolls started talking trash, making it seem like the guest server was useless, then all thier guilds bailing out of the matchup and leaving FC to fight alone essentially.

Not sure what the history is with peeps rippin’ on DH, but the truth is, prior to any of these joint server teams and as some state the departure of many guilds off DH for BG, DH was 8th on the chart, even though most often outnumbered even then.

Great battles with EBay, HoD, CD, SF, NSP when we were all solo servers, and guess what, DH was ahead most of the time in standings, with Mag being the regular one DH couldn’t beat. All fun times though.

Any way you look at it, 4 servers “should” always have an advantage. I still like playing WvW, but it is getting really old being overwhelmed on every map, at every camp and so on.

I appreciate the efforts ANET is trying to better WvW, and was originally thrilled to join with FC; however, neither of us could compete in server pops with the other server teams. Likewise it is great to be teamed with EBay now; however, again, how do you compete as 2 servers against 7???

Anyway, will keep playing WvW, and enjoy playing with EBay until the next swap. Hope they get it right eventually, cause I’m missing the old days of solo server pride, and they were certainly not perfect either.

Kylden Ar.3724:

Teon.5168:

Balthazzarr.1349:

@Teon: Kaineng… until now you have always been the enemy! haa… Except for the people I know in game I have no idea who is on what server when I’m in there. Just running around looking for groups and fights.. and yes, there’s lots of action. Seriously all this talk about 1st, 2nd, 3rd… really? Do people really care? I don’t.. I just wanna find people to stomp…. and sadly, be stomped by of course! :P

Aye, it is odd to be linked with some of our old enemies……and yea, I don’t really care much about the score, either……it certainly doesn’t mean anything. My time in EB last night was just hilarious…..stomping and getting stomped galore!!!!

And very few T1 sized blobs. That was really nice.

It was glorious!

It’s an interesting situation, that is for sure.

Stay off the beaten path, and you can roam and havoc. Stay near towers and keeps and you get your zerg fights.

Thing is, with 4 servers our coverage is even better than I saw while we were with TC. I can be roaming and get in a 1v1 fight, and end up getting support (like, +2 to +4) I didn’t even ask for just because they saw my dot on the map moving funny and came running to the fight.

Unless people are coming to help because my server rep went up and no one told me, but I doubt that. People barely even know that TACO is out there most times with these numbers unlike before.

Balthazzarr.1349:

Ah well. You guys have stomped me enough times it should have brought your count up more!! ????

Are you playing a Revenant that wanders the south CD borderland, cause the other day I killed the same poor Revenant about 6 times in a row down there…. I felt bad, the 7th time I spotted him I left him alone and looked for someone new. Found a theif that we played ‘dash and duel’ for about 7 minutes. Then I got help I didn’t ask for and the fun ended…

lolol… Well one of my classes is a Rev but if there’s one thing I definitely won’t do and that’s come back for a 3rd time to get pounded, let alone 6! I could be “that” Ranger, or Guardian, or Rev, or Necro… then again I could be the really baaad Ele or Thief.. haa..
I main Ranger because I just like it best. I use Guard if I am leading a group for a little better support. I’m not a great 1v1 fighter but I won’t shy from a fight… win or lose.. it’s fun! If you see a Gold Veteran Sylvari Ranger it’s most likely me… but you won’t often see my back unless I’m repositioning to try not to die..

Ehmry After Dark can’t even hope to stand up to the menagerie of CD and friends for a few reasons. Some of the biggest being tome-zone coverage of 4 servers being much better than that of 2, and the combined population being hilariously over-saturated for T4. I really hope ANet either manually messes with glicko to get that 4 headed Hydra (hail) out of T4 or rethinks the linking soon.tm.

Dipdoo.4861:

Ehmry After Dark can’t even hope to stand up to the menagerie of CD and friends for a few reasons. Some of the biggest being tome-zone coverage of 4 servers being much better than that of 2, and the combined population being hilariously over-saturated for T4. I really hope ANet either manually messes with glicko to get that 4 headed Hydra (hail) out of T4 or rethinks the linking soon.tm.

I wouldn’t be surpised if it moves to t3 next week. Not sure how well it can do there. It has a really impressive ebg queue that went straight from na prime and into sea time without going away. However, the other maps are less fortunate, so it will be hard to say whether or not the Confederation For Exciting Battles (CFEB) will be able to win against jq.

it’s not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog in the dogfight

BordeL.1283:

When our main zerg is stuck in a life-or-AoE fight with 4W’s own zerg, team/map chat is covered with “help at this place” messages. They clearly have many more roaming teams than we do (which is excellent) and very efficient ones i may say. i remember seeing our 3 top alpine camps being seized in the span of 2 minutes while our main force kept losing ground to the invaders.

Before the links Kaineng’s population for WvW had fallen pretty low. We never had numbers to fight a zerg, so the guilds that remained got very good at splitting into Havoc Teams and hitting multiple targets at once. One team would probably get steamrolled by the enemy zerg, but that allowed the other 2 or 3 to get their objectives.

This tactic is serving us VERY well with the new 5 minute tick. 15 was too long, but 5 may be too short. Not sure. Think maybe there should be a small window to flip it back before the tick. Maybe 7 minutes… or reduce RI to 3 or 4 minutes.

Cecilia.5179:

The “Fantastic Four” will have a very hard time as it faces stronger servers. Organizing is difficult. We could also use a good pugmander. Haven’t seen a t1 quality tag yet

Yes. I’m still asking for a TS in Team/Map and no one has one. Right now we are getting by mostly on guild teams knowing what they are doing a sheer numbers. I see tags, and they know what they are doing in team chat, but we still don’t get any voice going.

I’ve considered adding a 2-month expiring link to the TACOtalk Discord server and advertising that just to see if I can get us into one chat… but being as TACO is still a tiny little known guild, I doubt it would work.

Maybe if [Owls] set one up…

Actually, when I was logged in, the commander kept putting the CD TS into chat and trying to get everyone into it and verified and so on. There was even one person who, in encouraging people from non-CD servers in the link, pointed out in map chat that they themselves were Kaineng and still used the CD TS for now. Maybe the fact that you did not see such a thing is “time zone strikes again”, only this time in a less advantageous way?

Kylden Ar.3724:

Yes. I’m still asking for a TS in Team/Map and no one has one. Right now we are getting by mostly on guild teams knowing what they are doing a sheer numbers. I see tags, and they know what they are doing in team chat, but we still don’t get any voice going.

I’ve considered adding a 2-month expiring link to the TACOtalk Discord server and advertising that just to see if I can get us into one chat… but being as TACO is still a tiny little known guild, I doubt it would work.

Maybe if [Owls] set one up…

Kylden, Kaineng has TS and we use it all the time, just hit up any Owls for the address. I can verify you and even setup a channel for TACO if you like, message me or Nanesh. I have also seen CD and ET advertise their TS so you must just be missing the broadcasts…

-Krim

aristotle.2813:

Kaineng and ET both formerly linked to the 2 top tier servers did learned a thing or 2 from their peers during their time together. The overwhelming hospitality and friendly environment enjoyed makes it an memorable experience. The same cannot be said for the others like DB and YB who from personal experience were quite hostile and not sharing TS and some even made nasty comments about their partners.

That said, maybe others from Kaineng and ET would like to comment on the above?

I’m sorry if you had a bad experience on YB. It would, I am certain, have been the exception. Anvil Rock players were welcomed with open arms from day one. Everyone was immediately invited into TS on that first day. I was playing and I heard the invitations being extended and accepted.

Anvil Rock were extremely welcome guests and great fighters. I don’t play NA hours so I can’t speak for what happened while I was asleep but in OCX and EU the only regrets about I heard about the link were that there weren’t more AR players and that we had to separate from them at the end of the trial.

I know some have chosen to stay because I’ve seen them on YB in this match. I hope the rest return, either as transfers or in a future link. The players I came across, mostly from EYE, KAOS, and METL would be an asset to any server and I’m certain most on YB would be delighted to see them again.

Many of the criticisms of Yaks Bend when it comes to strategy, tactics and gameplay preferences may have some basis in fact but one thing has always been immediately apparent to most who actually come and play there – the YB core community is open, friendly and welcoming to anyone who wants to be a part of it.

It is strange that they paired DH and Ebay together and SBI and HoD together. Both SBI and HoD were host servers last time. And DH is smaller than both I think.

But the way McKenna posted the pairings it would seem DH has a larger pop than SBI and HoD.

jason.9548 #justFIERCEthings

Hopefully the blob matches rearrange before people begin to leave the lower tiers (and game) because of prolonged blobbing. You guys are lucky they at least can move up as opposed to sitting on top to PPT to T0.

We are the Wood League All Stars. I know some of the CD TS admins are trying to get things setup. If you have questions or need more info can just goto the cd website. usually can post a comment on the shoutbox and they’ll get back to you in game when they can. www.crystal-desert.com

SBI was the host server, CD’s wvw pop is quite low. This is more of a fairweather phenomenon for all 4 servers. Ones that haven’t tasted “winning” so to say in the ppt game for probably over a year. You can’t blame anet for not being able to account for fairweather pop.

back to the subject line… the disparity in the scores continues to explode…. All of this doesn’t make a lot of sense to me since in the next round the linked servers will likely be tossed around again. How in the heck can you determine any server’s actual tier level when they will never be guaranteed to have the same groups in the next term? Or is it just that each term everything gets switched around regardless of the so called ratings since at the end of the day they don’t even have validity.

The scoring, the ranking, etc… none of it really makes sense to me in an environment where servers get swapped around. As I have said before, I don’t give a rats butt about the score anymore. The only thing that matters these days is having some good encounters with the enemy, win or lose.

Yay … go Kaineng and friends!

That is all.

Kylden Ar.3724:

BordeL.1283:

When our main zerg is stuck in a life-or-AoE fight with 4W’s own zerg, team/map chat is covered with “help at this place” messages. They clearly have many more roaming teams than we do (which is excellent) and very efficient ones i may say. i remember seeing our 3 top alpine camps being seized in the span of 2 minutes while our main force kept losing ground to the invaders.

Before the links Kaineng’s population for WvW had fallen pretty low. We never had numbers to fight a zerg, so the guilds that remained got very good at splitting into Havoc Teams and hitting multiple targets at once. One team would probably get steamrolled by the enemy zerg, but that allowed the other 2 or 3 to get their objectives.

This tactic is serving us VERY well with the new 5 minute tick. 15 was too long, but 5 may be too short. Not sure. Think maybe there should be a small window to flip it back before the tick. Maybe 7 minutes… or reduce RI to 3 or 4 minutes.

Cecilia.5179:

The “Fantastic Four” will have a very hard time as it faces stronger servers. Organizing is difficult. We could also use a good pugmander. Haven’t seen a t1 quality tag yet

Yes. I’m still asking for a TS in Team/Map and no one has one. Right now we are getting by mostly on guild teams knowing what they are doing a sheer numbers. I see tags, and they know what they are doing in team chat, but we still don’t get any voice going.

I’ve considered adding a 2-month expiring link to the TACOtalk Discord server and advertising that just to see if I can get us into one chat… but being as TACO is still a tiny little known guild, I doubt it would work.

Maybe if [Owls] set one up…

I seem to remember us having a Kaineng TS channel on a large TS server awhile back.
Does that not exist anymore?

Edit: Nevermind. I just saw Oldnick’s post.

If the SF combo was doing as badly as we are (DH/EB) I would just outright suggest we let CD own all of EBG until everything becomes fortified….then we screenshot it and send it to anet.
I mean Anet would HAVE TO do something about that, no way around it. Nothing would be more insulting and humiliating to them than that…especially if it was on the first week of ‘balanced’ matchups.

I mean if this carries into another week and the 4 servers get organized…it could happen. They’ve owned all of ebg at least once so far that ive seen.

Cecilia.5179:

The “Fantastic Four” will have a very hard time as it faces stronger servers. Organizing is difficult. We could also use a good pugmander. Haven’t seen a t1 quality tag yet

I mean its easy to talk down on them like that…..
But honestly I think if they were paired against Blackgate or the other T1 they would be holding their own if not outright winning. Look at those STATISTICS..the size….the uptime.

Can’t wait to see them climb the ladder to T1.

Lol. We will be split up long before any climb happens.

You guys think one week of being overran with a stacked opponent is bad? Try having to deal with this scenario for three months straight!

Do not count on Anet to intervene and change what has already been put in place. You’ll have to wait it out until they move up (lucky for you that can happen) or until they change links in two months.

Too early to cry wolf just yet, we have to see what happens when the 4way shed some fair-weathers, and the other servers fair-weathers comes back.

SF was overtaking CD’s PPT multiple times yesterday. Not by a huge enough amount and regular enough consistency to make up for the early lead and even up the totals, but they’re certainly not suffering so dramatically. And throwing the match is hardly a legitimate result.

(Kaineng already faced BG last matchup while linked with TC. BG and ET dominated that trio.)

The odd thing is, is that our opponents are only attempting to ppt on swc and sec with an occasional nwc nec. I was in CD BL for well over six hours and only twice were there attempts at capturing swt and set. I lost swt defending it alone and took it back alone five minutes later. A couple of skirmishes with the group running around I want to say six or seven of them(players that is) toyed with them for a good 30 min on and off. Finally got some backup defenders and ran them off the map. I was a bit confused at the group play and the actual fights. easily winning 1v3’s 1v2’s. I thought it a fluke and tried dh. I ran solo taking towers myself and camps easily. little to no resistance. Its odd popping down from kitten see servers so quickly demoralized. I hear all this talk of TS. I haven’t seen the links, maybe I’m napping or something. That being said there is little to no coordination when I am playing. The issue seems to be the caliber of players on the servers. Idk what builds are being run but 95% of the players I come across melt like butter. The rest are super experienced roamers who can hold there own. (or a group of necros that like to run together) It has to be our coverage. which is sad because day one and two sf had a scary blob running around, which I assume had to be plastered to ebg. I was looking forward to a little more push. I was really looking forward to finally using ts again but there is really no point.

(side note) look at our kdr. Figure in the points for stomps. remember slapping dolyaks wont get you that far anymore.

I am appreciating the fight scene though. seems like friendly players from both sides, little havoc groups are annoying being a roamer but heck it sure beats a 70 man blob running me over!

sorry I got sidetracked. my main point was. Although we are clearly the dominant pairing. I appreciate the fight! I really mean it, it takes guts to roam or havoc group when you are clearly the minority. I applaud the efforts, don’t give up. Learn and learn quickly. A big portion of us had our stomping in t 1 but let me tell you when the odds are stacked against you, in no time you will improve. Keep your chins up and hope to see you guys keep coming out to fight, cheers!

joneirikb.7506:

Too early to cry wolf just yet, we have to see what happens when the 4way shed some fair-weathers, and the other servers fair-weathers comes back.

Only way that’s going to happen is if the 4way gets bored with no pins showing up. The fair weathers stick around as long as they’re winning, which the 4way will do for the rest of the link. The losing sides shed more players as they get bored being outnumbered and outscored all the time, they take the week off.

They come back for reset and see how it goes, then by the end of the weekend if the score is close they gain morale and stick around, if it isn’t then another week off, hoping the 4way gets bored. For an example, see t1 the past few months.

Dhemize.8649:

You guys think one week of being overran with a stacked opponent is bad? Try having to deal with this scenario for three months straight!

Do not count on Anet to intervene and change what has already been put in place. You’ll have to wait it out until they move up (lucky for you that can happen) or until they change links in two months.

I’m assuming you’re on Yaks Bend? The issue is that your population is actually not that far off from BG/TC, its just that your players on your server are disorganized and have little to no skill in WvW. With PPK being a bigger factor now, YB could PPT as hard as they want and still lose because they aren’t good at the fights game.

Cerby.1069:

I mean if this carries into another week and the 4 servers get organized…it could happen. They’ve owned all of ebg at least once so far that ive seen.

Yeah, the other night, I had just left defending on EB to go help out on our BL, since everything looked like it was holding okay in EB, but after about 20 mins, I checked on the EB map to see how things were going, and CD had taken over all of SF’s holdings, including our T3 keep. Never got a shout out on our BL to help defend it, so that speaks to lack of organization and a population spread too thin across the maps. The quad server seems to have a significant late-night population that does a lot of damage as some NA time zones start shutting down for the night, after about 10pm PST (1am EST).

Rastaaa.3752:

Sweet Sanity.8593:

The majority of the posters upset about this pairing are from darkhaven/eBay. Both of these servers were in t4 already. The other two server groups fighting in t4 have people who were in different tiers before this week, but the ones who are upset were.

As much as I rip on dh though, really it is eBay who got the short end of the stick here. They did great with hod at the top of t4. They played very well and had a lot of good fights, but then they got stuck in last place as a guest to a dead server

Courtesy of kandle.2367’s post with numbers that are up to date as of now from wvwintel.com

Blackgate
Kills: 17,750
Deaths: 14,540
Ratio: 1.22

Kaineng & Eredon Terrace & Borlis Pass & Crystal Desert
Kills: 26,777
Deaths: 21,115
Ratio: 1.27

Ehmry Bay & Darkhaven
Kills: 11,456
Deaths: 14,739
Ratio: 0.78

Ferguson’s Crossing & Gate of Madness & Sorrow’s Furnace
Kills: 18,149
Deaths: 22,234
Ratio: 0.82

These servers together have generated more kills AND have a higher kd than BG/AR. People are not complaining without a reason. Not to mention the fact that we are four days in and they are 60K ahead of everyone. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t they say they wanted ppt this way to prevent a winner from being chosen overnight?

I am not saying they should be matched against BG/AR, but they just should not be here.

JQ + AR
Kills: 34,009
Deaths: 20,344
Ratio: 1.67

Just adding that to the conversation to correct that AR is paired with JQ.

Josh XT.6053:

Dhemize.8649:

You guys think one week of being overran with a stacked opponent is bad? Try having to deal with this scenario for three months straight!

Do not count on Anet to intervene and change what has already been put in place. You’ll have to wait it out until they move up (lucky for you that can happen) or until they change links in two months.

I’m assuming you’re on Yaks Bend? The issue is that your population is actually not that far off from BG/TC, its just that your players on your server are disorganized and have little to no skill in WvW. With PPK being a bigger factor now, YB could PPT as hard as they want and still lose because they aren’t good at the fights game.

Yes, my main account is on YB.

Population that’s “not that far off from BG/TC”?? I literally checked a few seconds before posting this and YB is currently on high status while TC is very high and of course BG is full. Try again.

BG blobs. If you believe balling everyone under one tag and then face rolling equates to organizing and having skill I have some bad news for you.

After having to put up with it for so long it bored many players until they permanently left the game. Looking at the quad stack in T4 I see a lot of similarities. I don’t expect players to fix anything; they never have. It’s up to Anet to monitor the players and adjust unbalanced matches in a timely manner. Two months is IMO too long and I suspect more players will permanently leave before they’re spared from such lopsided game matching. The blobbers will kill this game off before beta is even complete.

Dhemize.8649:

Josh XT.6053:

Dhemize.8649:

You guys think one week of being overran with a stacked opponent is bad? Try having to deal with this scenario for three months straight!

Do not count on Anet to intervene and change what has already been put in place. You’ll have to wait it out until they move up (lucky for you that can happen) or until they change links in two months.

I’m assuming you’re on Yaks Bend? The issue is that your population is actually not that far off from BG/TC, its just that your players on your server are disorganized and have little to no skill in WvW. With PPK being a bigger factor now, YB could PPT as hard as they want and still lose because they aren’t good at the fights game.

Yes, my main account is on YB.

Population that’s “not that far off from BG/TC”?? I literally checked a few seconds before posting this and YB is currently on high status while TC is very high and of course BG is full. Try again.

BG blobs. If you believe balling everyone under one tag and then face rolling equates to organizing and having skill I have some bad news for you.

After having to put up with it for so long it bored many players until they permanently left the game. Looking at the quad stack in T4 I see a lot of similarities. I don’t expect players to fix anything; they never have. It’s up to Anet to monitor the players and adjust unbalanced matches in a timely manner. Two months is IMO too long and I suspect more players will permanently leave before they’re spared from such lopsided game matching. The blobbers will kill this game off before beta is even complete.

My time on Blackgate was not spent in a blob personally, and I met several guilds and several others that also did not run with the blob. I’m not saying they don’t blob, but I am saying that isn’t ALL they do. I also want to remind you of why they HAD to do that against YB when YB was 1st place every week – it was because YB would run 80 pugs on a tag and there was no 20 man groups that could take that alone. They had to take their 3-4 20 man groups and get together in order to take down that blob lol.

Now maybe it is just more the norm for them to start blobbing up more often, I’ve seen TC blobs and YB blobs as well, they’re just as bad. Your blobs just aren’t as good at fighting lol. The KDR speaks for that alone.

Josh XT.6053:

Dhemize.8649:

Josh XT.6053:

Dhemize.8649:

You guys think one week of being overran with a stacked opponent is bad? Try having to deal with this scenario for three months straight!

Do not count on Anet to intervene and change what has already been put in place. You’ll have to wait it out until they move up (lucky for you that can happen) or until they change links in two months.

I’m assuming you’re on Yaks Bend? The issue is that your population is actually not that far off from BG/TC, its just that your players on your server are disorganized and have little to no skill in WvW. With PPK being a bigger factor now, YB could PPT as hard as they want and still lose because they aren’t good at the fights game.

Yes, my main account is on YB.

Population that’s “not that far off from BG/TC”?? I literally checked a few seconds before posting this and YB is currently on high status while TC is very high and of course BG is full. Try again.

BG blobs. If you believe balling everyone under one tag and then face rolling equates to organizing and having skill I have some bad news for you.

After having to put up with it for so long it bored many players until they permanently left the game. Looking at the quad stack in T4 I see a lot of similarities. I don’t expect players to fix anything; they never have. It’s up to Anet to monitor the players and adjust unbalanced matches in a timely manner. Two months is IMO too long and I suspect more players will permanently leave before they’re spared from such lopsided game matching. The blobbers will kill this game off before beta is even complete.

My time on Blackgate was not spent in a blob personally, and I met several guilds and several others that also did not run with the blob. I’m not saying they don’t blob, but I am saying that isn’t ALL they do. I also want to remind you of why they HAD to do that against YB when YB was 1st place every week – it was because YB would run 80 pugs on a tag and there was no 20 man groups that could take that alone. They had to take their 3-4 20 man groups and get together in order to take down that blob lol.

Now maybe it is just more the norm for them to start blobbing up more often, I’ve seen TC blobs and YB blobs as well, they’re just as bad. Your blobs just aren’t as good at fighting lol. The KDR speaks for that alone.

Ah yes, the “they did it first” argument. I’d go into other things but I think we’re done here. LOL

BS josh … you guys farmed YB the night before somehow increasing your lead while you had little amount of structures. in fact your K:D ratio has gone down slightly since the original posting down to 1.17, while TC’s stayed par or slightly up to 1.10 … and YB’s still down floating around 0.65 or so.

This alone says BG’s big fat blob last night was not as skilled as the night prior and lost ratio. Which was hard to believe considering the encounters last night, and the fact they basically omni-blobbed everything they could to paper. This tells me, omni blobs good for 1 job … papering keeps. That is all, throwing bodies to overwhelm opponents.

Thankfully you guys chose watergate at EB Keep last night – probably wasn’t the best choice, considering we were all riled up after the home BL papering.

I’m not on Blackgate anymore and haven’t been for a few months lol.. I’m speaking from how things were when I was there, sure things may have changed since, but Blackgate was consistently bottom of T1 for quite some time until Alpine returned and people returned back to the game because WvW would be fun again.

My mistake I should have read your footer, or known from other threads where it was already mentioned.

So…..week is half over. I propose SF, GoM, and FC unites with DH and Ebay to serve justice and put down the wicked monstrosity that has become CD.
Any takers?
I usually don’t attack SF tags anyway because I fear I may accidentally hit a FC SNKY that is mingled in there…and I love those guys too much.

Ur friend-
Green Lantern

Dhemize.8649:

You guys think one week of being overran with a stacked opponent is bad? Try having to deal with this scenario for three months straight!

Do not count on Anet to intervene and change what has already been put in place. You’ll have to wait it out until they move up (lucky for you that can happen) or until they change links in two months.

Considering it seens Anet intent to keep CD original glicko, the pairing will be over even before the quadserver can get out T4 unless a T3 server dies.

Also, you think 3 months of loopsided matches are tough? Try 2 years rotting at the bottom of T8 with no hope of going up.

joneirikb.7506:

Too early to cry wolf just yet, we have to see what happens when the 4way shed some fair-weathers, and the other servers fair-weathers comes back.

The quadserver will only shed players that are interested in going back to T1. However, the massive dominance will bring out loads the fairweather who are in for a easy ride to victory.

In the other hand you have servers like DH who been losing guilds even before the pairings start (and multiple of them are on the quadserver such as CCS, Myth and zAp) and fairweather pugs that will not return until they see they have a chance of winning.

Akkeros.1675:

So…..week is half over. I propose SF, GoM, and FC unites with DH and Ebay to serve justice and put down the wicked monstrosity that has become CD.
Any takers?
I usually don’t attack SF tags anyway because I fear I may accidentally hit a FC SNKY that is mingled in there…and I love those guys too much.

Ur friend-
Green Lantern

Unlikely to happen… My guess is that FC wants a piece of DH as some kind of revenge for the last pairing where DH was pretty much inexistent and our population was pretty much 90% FC. Guilds like Maki, DRK and even LION seen to spend more time in DHBL than defending their own stuff from the angry quadserver blob.

Akkeros.1675:

So…..week is half over. I propose SF, GoM, and FC unites with DH and Ebay to serve justice and put down the wicked monstrosity that has become CD.
Any takers?
I usually don’t attack SF tags anyway because I fear I may accidentally hit a FC SNKY that is mingled in there…and I love those guys too much.

Ur friend-
Green Lantern

Sounds like fun! I can’t make promises for the rest on my server, but I’ll certainly not initiate an attack on DH/Ebay targets or personnel, unless they shoot first, of course!

Anyone ever play the boardgame “Risk”? A lot of diplomacy and strategy going on there, overt and covert alliances, spies, double agents, backstabbing, etc. Kind of reminds me of WvW, as we know we already have spies among us, except that we’d need a little better communication to make more of it happen within a matchup.

Sylvyn.4750:

Ok, seriously, before we go further, we need to define the variables, starting with the server pairing itself. What should its common or slang name be, so that we don’t have to keep typing cap letters, slashes, etc. to say “CD/BP/ET/Kain”?

Quad?
Quadgate?
Quadmonster?
Fab Four?

Other ideas? (all in jest, of course)

I like Quadgate even though it makes it sound like BG is one of the servers.

Borlis Eredon Crystal Kaineng = B.E.C.K. (Or PECK if you stat with pass)
Bronze4 Alliance/Way/Lyfe/Quaggan
Or my personal favorite: "Finally out of T1!"
"Quadjump" After an old friends of mine fascination with Rocket-Jumps in Quake 1 using the Quad-Damage boost. Mutually-Assured-Destruction.

How about LOSERS once we unite our forces and spank them

hehe, jk

And, let’s “risk” this union between dh/sf et al
I firmly believe it will decrease entropy in the universe.