Guild Wars 2

I should preface this by saying I never met, spoke to, or even knew of Roger “Oldroar” Rall before learning about his story, and the resulting naming of the “Sanctum of Rall” server im Guild Wars 2 to honor him.

However, I had to go and dig into it once I learned about the server’s creation. From everything I gather, he was an honest, brave, friendly human being. A person of obvious integrity, some would say. GSCH, on our server, was the former home of Oldroar so they can most definitely speak to this better than I can.

In any case, I just wanted to say that I find our current obvious strategy- token resistance, no organized defenses, keep up appearances -just so we can drop down to Tier 2 just doesn’t fit with how Oldroar would have done things. Am I wrong?

SoR used to fight all the time, every day, and that’s how we won in the lower brackets. We contested everything, every single opbjective, we sent small teams out simultaneously. None of this “Let them have it, we’ll go take blah instead”. None of this megazerg crap. No constant flipping and trading objectives.

Our borderland was our borderland. We didn’t attack until home was secure.

Ah I digress…bottom line is that I don’t think Oldroar would have approved of SoR players trying to game the rankings system like this. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe it’s not important.

Did you attend the WvWvW server meetings every friday?

Well, a three things…

First, you are up against two incredible servers. It will be tough to compete with them. The reality as well is that when you are in third place, you lose a lot of the more casual WvW players. You will still have your core, but the players who always give you a queue will be gone. That’s to be expected.

Second, everyone in the top 2 or 3 tiers zergs. SoR did it as well in tier 2. It’s a valid gameplay strategy. Hopefully there will be incentives not to zerg in the next update, but who knows.

Three, you are in a tough spot. SoR isn’t at the same level as BG and JQ currently, but is definitely way ahead of all of the tier 2 servers. I do not see any competitive matches for you for awhile.

style.6173:

Well, a three things…

First, you are up against two incredible servers. It will be tough to compete with them. The reality as well is that when you are in third place, you lose a lot of the more casual WvW players. You will still have your core, but the players who always give you a queue will be gone. That’s to be expected.

Second, everyone in the top 2 or 3 tiers zergs. SoR did it as well in tier 2. It’s a valid gameplay strategy. Hopefully there will be incentives not to zerg in the next update, but who knows.

Three, you are in a tough spot. SoR isn’t at the same level as BG and JQ currently, but is definitely way ahead of all of the tier 2 servers. I do not see any competitive matches for you for awhile.

^^This, SoR is a T 1.5 server atm. Really belongs nowhere. Be happy and enjoy the game with your friends and guild mates is probably the best advice I can give you. Most Rallians are having a blast out there, so many laughs in map chat and TS past 2 weeks and the open field fights when our enemies aren’t running have been great.

All of SORs WvW community should move to JQ to fill in our NA afternoon/night time coverage gap, or team up with kaineng somehow to create a third tier 1 server.

wish.3102:

All of SORs WvW community should move to JQ to fill in our NA afternoon/night time coverage gap, or team up with kaineng somehow to create a third tier 1 server.

Never gonna happen. All the hardcore wvw guilds are staying, only way I see a third tier 1 server would be transfers coming to SoR.

dwahvel.7356:

wish.3102:

All of SORs WvW community should move to JQ to fill in our NA afternoon/night time coverage gap, or team up with kaineng somehow to create a third tier 1 server.

Never gonna happen. All the hardcore wvw guilds are staying, only way I see a third tier 1 server would be transfers coming to SoR.

Or to Kaening.

GL in tier 3 and lower then to people who stays in SoR.
SoR are not competitive in T1 at ALL, they are just defending/upgrading NOTHING and let either BG or JQ take all and get maxed ppt. On another side, Kaineng is way stronger than you are but you ll never find out by yourself as you ll switch rank with them in few weeks.
Believe me KN is close to BG strenght and way stronger than SoR. You don’t want to hear it but SoR time in T1 is about to end now for the sake and balance of the overal T1 matchup (JQ would never win almost for free if there would be a real T1 server instead of SOR, atm T1 is a 1vs1 no SoR in view).

Titan.3472:

GL in tier 3 and lower then to people who stays in SoR.
SoR are not competitive in T1 at ALL, they are just defending/upgrading NOTHING and let either BG or JQ take all and get maxed ppt. On another side, Kaineng is way stronger than you are but you ll never find out by yourself as you ll switch rank with them in few weeks.
Believe me KN is close to BG strenght and way stronger than SoR. You don’t want to hear it but SoR time in T1 is about to end now for the sake and balance of the overal T1 matchup (JQ would never win almost for free if there would be a real T1 server instead of SOR, atm T1 is a 1vs1 no SoR in view).

Good going, plug your server and insult another server in said server’s rallying thread.

I don’t recall BG vs KN being particularly close, either. That isn’t too far back, maybe you have memory issues?

ykyk.2740:

Titan.3472:

GL in tier 3 and lower then to people who stays in SoR.
SoR are not competitive in T1 at ALL, they are just defending/upgrading NOTHING and let either BG or JQ take all and get maxed ppt. On another side, Kaineng is way stronger than you are but you ll never find out by yourself as you ll switch rank with them in few weeks.
Believe me KN is close to BG strenght and way stronger than SoR. You don’t want to hear it but SoR time in T1 is about to end now for the sake and balance of the overal T1 matchup (JQ would never win almost for free if there would be a real T1 server instead of SOR, atm T1 is a 1vs1 no SoR in view).

Good going, plug your server and insult another server in said server’s rallying thread.

I don’t recall BG vs KN being particularly close, either. That isn’t too far back, maybe you have memory issues?

Once BG got all the transfers, I don’t remember the matches being particularly close.

There are no insult involved just what i can see ongoing in T1, just saying all because it’s not fair to ask people to pay to transfert over a server that will be depopulated as soon as they ll start loosing their rank in T1 and to present it as it’s not in fact.
This whole wvw week SoR BL and EB side were either all owned by JQ or BG. During a full day playing 24h you ll see SoR for about 2hours… really???? ….

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/SoR-needs-more-Oceanic-EU-players/first#post1638477
Posted by: Titan.3472
Seriously… SoR is no more T1 server.
Kaineng is T1 quality server.
SoR wvw population might have to consider moving from there instead of asking people to pay a transfert to their server that will loose ranks anyway. There is a way to far gap with BG and JQ. T1 will be balance when Kaineng will be in T1.
Sorry SoR your time is about over in high charts, you ll have to consider moving from your own server in a month or two if you dont want to play in lower tiers .
Any EU guild actually considering paying to transfer in NA T1 server from EU would choose KN or BG.

lol

If i wrote it its because i am on a T1 server this week and i just report what i can see ongoing. And yes I pay with my lovely CC some real money to buy gems from Anet to jump server and see what is going on before saying people anything that i haven’t seen by myself. As not everyone can afford paying to server jump every weeks it’s fair to say everyone how things are going really. that s my point. I have nothing against any server from T1 nor T2 just giving an objective opionion based on my observation on the field in a wvw week. As EU player I am just saying that the EU guildmates I am in touch with wouldn’t consider moving actually and paying for whole guild members tranferts to another server than KN or BG as it’s their opinion.

Cicero I think you have a troll to feed. ^^

I think that people forget that this is a game and the points don’t matter. Really, you don’t get anything for being in T1 other than forum cred. I’ve been playing WvWvW since November and I’ve had a great time with Rottenhood and Caramon as commanders just running in to tear stuff up. I’ve had fun with my guild on U.S.A just playing pick-up PvP as we run to hold points or take supply. What I have noticed though is that SoR has never had the “edge” to win that BG or JQ have now. We are a group of people who like to play the game and be competitive on our own time and we have learned to let slide the times that we can’t be competitive. We have had to because you can’t win in T1 without coverage ( a fact KN will come to learn first hand). We have had times of high momentum where we bring our A game and other times where we go work on other alts and that’s to be expected. Burn out will happen for T1 servers that don’t have good coverage and a large well to drawn on as people want to take a break.

SoR’s population has not dropped nor transferred out in large masses. Taking a break for a time is not equal to losing guilds. This is not SoR’s last gasp. What I would say is that when SoR fields, we play hard and we play to win that time we are online. However to the OP’s request, I would say that I will take time from working on my necro to jump back on my Engineer to crowbar some BG and JQ in the face after reset.

Play hard when you log and don’t sweat the rest.

Exactly Theifz, people always seem to think that everyone only cares about the all mighty and all powerful Points. The fact is that most of the people on SoR ( and other servers I’m sure) only really care about having fun in WvW.

SoR has T1 quality players in all time slots and people from other servers can say all they want about people going to leave SoR now that we are in 3rd in T1. I’m pretty sure the people who would have left the server because of the all mighty point system where coverage > skill, would all ready have left when we finished 2nd behind BG for those 11 or 12 weeks (short term memory here).

And to the OP about SoRs current tactics, the fact is that WvW atm is going to be wierd until the patch hits. Increased world chests drops have drawn a few people out of WvW for a bit. Some are taking a break until the patch. I for one have stepped back from WvW quiet a bit until the patch hits so I can try to finish this legendary. This can be said about every server atm, and I think the scores show that.

T2 is pretty evenly matched atm. And in T1 NA ( I cant speak for non NA time slot ) it is still a lot of fun regardless of what the score is.

You are wrong, it’s not important. Delete this thread.

I understand the way the OP is feeling atm, as I felt the same way about it last night and even said something about it in chat in EB. Then I shut the hell up.

I ran with Oldroar in his warbands in WAR and the number one best characteristic I can say about him as a field commander is his stoicism in the face of adversity. This may not make him a military genius but it did make for good times in the game since he didn’t worry about little issues like getting squished by overwhelming hoards of Destruction. He’d just pick himself and his warband up and go out and do what needed to be done again.

So if you are actually worried about sullying the “legacy of Rall”, then don’t complain about others and just worry about what you can do to help your side win.

I’m sorry but as a BG player I must say. After playing both KN and SOR recently, SOR is def a T1 server and has much tougher guilds than KN . KN has War Machine which gives them massive Ocean coverage , but that’s it. Choos and TWs core will kick your teeth in. Now if War Machine moved to SOR , points would be dead even every week and T1 would be locked up. I really like Kaining, but don’t try to take anything from SOR

Completely disagree, kain is not just WM, and in my 2 weeks of fighting SoR in t1 I’ve yet to see them field more then 10 players. That isn’t t1 material anymore, maybe before server stacking but not now. Kain would field 60+ during JQ prime and that wasn’t just WM, you had another 40-60 on other maps with Meow tofu and pugs. Toatally different ballgame then what sor is currently bringing to wvwvw.

SOR lacks coverage. That’s their number one problem. I don’t know what nights or time zones you play, but they owned the maps first 2 days of reset. Hard to do that with just 10 people on . Imho pound for pound SOR has tougher guilds

Titan.3472:

GL in tier 3 and lower then to people who stays in SoR.
SoR are not competitive in T1 at ALL, they are just defending/upgrading NOTHING and let either BG or JQ take all and get maxed ppt. On another side, Kaineng is way stronger than you are but you ll never find out by yourself as you ll switch rank with them in few weeks.
Believe me KN is close to BG strenght and way stronger than SoR. You don’t want to hear it but SoR time in T1 is about to end now for the sake and balance of the overal T1 matchup (JQ would never win almost for free if there would be a real T1 server instead of SOR, atm T1 is a 1vs1 no SoR in view).

I must have missed where KN is close to BG when they were getting beat by 150K after BG got their recent transfers.

KN was somewhat close to BG before BG got their transfers. BG and JQ are on a whole different level coverage wise than any other servers ATM. Unfortunately for SoR. There isn’t realy a server on our level ATM. We are no where near the coverage needed for T1 but T2 will probably be a blow out when we are there if we went at full capacity.

Which sucks for TC/FA and KN because they are having a pretty solid matchup. KN might eventually(read 4-5+ weeks) get into T1 because of ELO but they will be in the same boat SoR is in. TC and FA will then have to fight SoR which probably won’t be nearly as close as their current matchup.

SoR shouldn’t make the mistake ioj made when going tiers down believing in an easy win against lower tiers opponents : that didn’t happen.

Titan.3472:

SoR shouldn’t make the mistake ioj made when going tiers down believing in an easy win against lower tiers opponents : that didn’t happen.

We get it, your server(Kaineng) isn’t dominating T2 and you want SoR to move to KN. That isn’t happening.

The SOR community is probably one of the strongest out there, no guild is going to move from SOR to the bandwagon server.

Darkjoy.3092:

I’m sorry but as a BG player I must say. After playing both KN and SOR recently, SOR is def a T1 server and has much tougher guilds than KN . KN has War Machine which gives them massive Ocean coverage , but that’s it. Choos and TWs core will kick your teeth in. Now if War Machine moved to SOR , points would be dead even every week and T1 would be locked up. I really like Kaining, but don’t try to take anything from SOR

Agree. Always been impressed with SoR (and Kain) so hopefully they keep plugging away and don’t get discouraged. Both SoR and Kain have some of the best guilds in NA. All they need is coverage.

On my NA account, I was YB first. I went CD then I left to go to KN, now …(atm) I am on BG… So I don’t suppose things I give objective point of view.
I have also an EU account where I play on Vizunah Square (I am EU, French).
I can post each hour pic’ of the wvw map and ppt on a 24h day in T1 to proove what i just said about the fact that atm , and you recognised it, T1 is more a 1vs1 than a 3 way fight that makes it completely unbalance for both 1st and 2nd and just a “spvp-like” experience for 3rd.
Overal conclusion is that if the 3rd server were able and willing to play the way it s intended in wvwvw T1 matchup JQ wouldn’t be 1st still but any other server involved in the match could be. So I pointed that the ability and will is in KN server for the T1 3rd place atm.

Interesting comments on SoR I have to say. The core W3’ers would most likely never transfer, even if that meant playing in T3. Or T4. Or 5… We just look at W3 a little different is all. I mean, sure there are some of us who reeeeally want to be relevant in T1, but I would say the vast majority just favor good, fun fights. Wherever they may be.

I could be wrong, but I doubt it. So snarkily bidding us adieu from T1 really doesn’t have an effect on us. If it giggles yer gander though, knock yerself out.

hex.3218:

dwahvel.7356:

wish.3102:

All of SORs WvW community should move to JQ to fill in our NA afternoon/night time coverage gap, or team up with kaineng somehow to create a third tier 1 server.

Never gonna happen. All the hardcore wvw guilds are staying, only way I see a third tier 1 server would be transfers coming to SoR.

Or to Kaening.

SoR already has a larger WvW population than Kaineng. It would make more sense for Kaineng to move here. Kaineng also has more large guilds so it would be easier for them to coordinate moves than the guilds on SoR.

Also @Titan, you are sorely mistaken if you think that KN is stronger than SoR. You’re playing in tier 1 on a week where SoR is pretty much taking a break and having fun goofing off (heck we were running a full zerg of all necros and mesmers for fun last night, over half of them were lowbies). I feel confident when I say that pound per pound SoR has the strongest players.

If you had watched the numbers on prior weekends, SoR is very competitive. We only drop due to coverage issues. We have some of the best commanders in the game and a very unified front.

Okay so I ll see what is going this next week, hope to see SoR in action most of time.

To the OP.
You assume that is all which is going on.

What you are missing is some key information on “why” and reasons to the actions.

In addition to that you don’t seem to realize right now SOR is training new commanders and testing new things out. Also having a bit of fun here and there.
SOR is getting new players accustomed to WvW, along with some newer guilds we have gained in the past month. Not to mention welcoming new guilds, and getting them accustomed to the SOR community.

Where as if nothing changed we would be split 90% of the time, with older SOR guilds in a community vs newer sor guilds, and as a server SOR doesn’t want anyone split. All need to work together.

As for the fun, last night SOR was doing an all Necro/Mesmer play on 1 borderland. It was fun, Many enemies came out to make serious pushes against the necro/mesmer army, and got wiped tons of time. While most of the characters in the field on SOR were levels 2-20. (Versus the lvl 80’s trying to defend a keep.) We didn’t do it as in “HAVE TO GET POINTS” but more of a “Lets have fun”.

SOR’s fight hasnt gone anywhere, however SOR’s community has plans, and though a lot mistake what they are, plans are plans. No SOR isn’t dropping ELO just to play the system and hit a lower tier. It goes way beyond that, and if people are very active in the WvW community they know. (I don’t feel like going into details or anything as to the reasons why, on a public forum or anything.) All I can say is it’s not because we are out coveraged, or having towers and stuff taken. SOR isnt going to drop tier for an easy win or anything such. There is a whole other reason as to why the community decided to take it easy in WvW a bit.

I honestly think Old Roar would be proud of SOR’s community working to get everyone together, accustomed to one another, help people in learning/training and working together as a community. I think he would be proud of how welcoming SOR community and how much the community is trying to help many people.I think he would also be proud of what SOR is doing and “why”, though I won’t go into that in a public forum, or chat. I think he would be proud we call Sanctum Of Rall home, and how every guild works together and never gives up, along with how we don’t have drama and such.

Another note is SOR WvW community guilds arent planning on moving. In fact many are still recruiting inside and outside of SOR server.

I do think this thread seems to be made in haste and assumptions. There’s a lot more going on then what’s just on stage so to speak.

Also, this past weekend we had Queue’s the same as every other time, same with the week. Just right now SOR is training new commanders, players, and also testing new things. So instead of xxx leading who knows 100% what to do at all times, you might have yyy leading who knows what to do 70% of the time, and is learning with xxx teaching.

wish.3102:

All of SORs WvW community should move to JQ to fill in our NA afternoon/night time coverage gap, or team up with kaineng somehow to create a third tier 1 server.

This mentality is what’s wrong with the NA bracket, and honestly, the whole point system we have.

Well said Mishi.

I have to agree with the OP.

reality check here :

1. i believe KN and SoR are of equal strength on different time zone.

2. KN would get beat in T1 just like SoR if they move up.

3. SoR would beat TC/FA in T2 if they decide to go down (i believe, not sure about their SEA/Oceanic).

4. KN is loving T2 match up very much since it is pretty much balanced. No urge to move to T1.

…so, fight on SoR people. win or lose, have fun in the game. there’s no need to implode.

yours,
Cutie Phantasmer – Kaineng Mesmer

kidbs.8920:

hex.3218:

dwahvel.7356:

wish.3102:

All of SORs WvW community should move to JQ to fill in our NA afternoon/night time coverage gap, or team up with kaineng somehow to create a third tier 1 server.

Never gonna happen. All the hardcore wvw guilds are staying, only way I see a third tier 1 server would be transfers coming to SoR.

Or to Kaening.

SoR already has a larger WvW population than Kaineng. It would make more sense for Kaineng to move here. Kaineng also has more large guilds so it would be easier for them to coordinate moves than the guilds on SoR.

Also @Titan, you are sorely mistaken if you think that KN is stronger than SoR. You’re playing in tier 1 on a week where SoR is pretty much taking a break and having fun goofing off (heck we were running a full zerg of all necros and mesmers for fun last night, over half of them were lowbies). I feel confident when I say that pound per pound SoR has the strongest players.

If you had watched the numbers on prior weekends, SoR is very competitive. We only drop due to coverage issues. We have some of the best commanders in the game and a very unified front.

Naw… Kaineng is a better landing spot. They have WM. The gaps are easier to fill there. Everyone… stack on kaineng!

KN would get utterly destroyed by SoR or any other server in tier one. They have even worse coverage than SoR. KN can hardly even win tier two lol.

And to replay to the OP I think old roar wouldn’t care whether we defended our keep or if we are not tyring 100% if we are having fun. That’s the only thing that matters in games.

Kain is a fine server, don’t talk trash about it unless you play us … we’re happy where we are, and yeah, maybe might get beat down by t1 if/when we come. But a date with SoR would be welcomed just to stop the heresay and smack talk. In any event we’re happy and enjoying our wvw battles, and someday looking forward to seeing more guilds and servers … remember we know nothing of t1, yet. But learn fast.

Is there a reason why KN needs to steamroll T2? to goto T1? LOL.
Most guilds in KN do WvW from reset night to monday and go do pve
or guild stuff after tuesday. I bet many KN people dont want to switch
places with SoR so have fun SOR in T1.

I know that many did not know Roger, but to say that he cared about scoreboards would be a very invalid judgement. Roger was all about having fun. We once rode into battle in chicken form with him just for a good laugh. We zerged Tier 4 in Warhammer with Tier 2 characters and even locked a zone with them. He didn’t care about winning, he cared about people. He cared about entertaining people and showing them a great time.

Now as to a plot to purposely drop to tier 2, I don’t think I’m aware of that one. Every week we’re out there fighting our backsides off. Are we destine to drop to tier 2? Yeah probably. Does that mean our server is a failure? No not at all.

The thing you need to understand is that Sanctum of Rall was not founded on the idea of being a Tier 1 PvP Server. It’s named after a fan who passed away before he ever got the chance to enjoy the game he loved. Those of us that knew him and played with him came from a casual, laid back, non-competitive pvp background. We weren’t about min/maxing or what item gave you the advantage this week. We were and always will be about having fun. People didn’t join Sanctum of Rall because they were the best PvPers. They joined because of the community and legend behind the name of this server.

We started out rank 17. We’ve climbed our way all the way up to where we are now. We’ve had friends from far and wide come to join us on Sanctum of Rall since launch. Our server was based off of casual gamers, social gamers, and the occasional pvper thrown in. To go from 17 to 2 or even 3 is quite a feat regardless of what anyone thinks. I’m proud of Sanctum of Rall and I know Roger would be baffled by our success.

Memories are not made by winning the battles you should have won, their made by winning the battles you should have lost. On Sanctum of Rall there’s no shortage of these battles. In the end whether you play this game to win or just to have fun, the only thing that should matter to you is what’s on your face as you log out. If it isn’t a smile you’re doing it wrong.

Bottom line… Tier One or Tier None have fun and enjoy Guild Wars 2, The Sanctum of Rall (or your server), and your choice of gaming communities. In the end being top dog only means that you have someplace to fall from. However making friends, memories, and spending time with people you enjoy to be with is something that regardless of what place you’re in always comes first. It’s the only thing you will take with you from this game when you leave.

Someday people will realize it isn’t the grind, ranks, loot, or stats that make an MMO experience, it’s the people you share the journey with, and the friendships you forge which last beyond a single game that is the real reward for playing MMOs.

You say Roger would not be happy with Sanctum of Rall, but I tell you he could never be prouder. Sanctum of Rall has forged friendships between guilds that previously were enemies. Look at TW and GSCH. Talk about trial by fire. TW was the arch-rival of GSCH in Warhammer. There was bad blood all around on both fronts. But somewhere on the Sanctum of Rall both Indo and I have come to an understanding and what was once conflict has now turned to cooperation and teamwork. The Gaiscioch and Tempest Wolves now fight as brothers and sisters for the same cause. Sure we both approach the game differently but in the end both of us want the same result. Unity. That is something Sanctum of Rall has and is in no short supply of. I am certain that in time you all will see that Sanctum of Rall is the strongest community in Guild Wars 2, perhaps not in numbers or in skill but in friendship, comradeship, and unity. We fight hard and know when to step back and just have some fun.

I implore everyone to seek out fun, smiles, and laughter. If you aren’t finding that in your current community perhaps it’s time to look for one that you can find enjoyment. There’s a lot of good people here as well as good communities. You should never sacrifice enjoyment for victory. I know some think you can’t be happy without victory, but I can assure you there is more to gaming that winning and losing.

In Re to the OP: There’s nothing wrong with some guilds taking a break after nearly 9 months of straight non-stop wvw. Hell listen to the meeting last week and Indo didn’t even know where something in the norn city was. Some of these guys haven’t stepped out of WvW at all yet. They deserve a chance to experience some of the rest of the game. Last thing we need is guilds like CDS, TW, Choo, Hire, FEAR, etc to hit burn out and stop playing altogether. If they need a week break I say take it. If we drop to Tier 2 so be it. They deserve a break once in awhile too.

To Sanctum of Rall: I salute all of you. We may not have always seen eye to eye but I stand by all of your side and am proud of all of you. Thank you for making Sanctum of Rall home. Roger would be proud.

Foghladha