Guild Wars 2

This is the 5th week in total we got matched up to the same two Servers, and the percentages to face these 2 Servers are on a all-time high, getting higher each week consistently.
Even tho we are on a equal footing coverage-wise, the amount of siege-trolling, intentional supply-burning via spies and the overall feeling of stale WvW play is more intense than it was ever before between us.
It’s not like “hey, lets try this this out and see if we can pull it off” anymore, it’s just “Oh, they do A again, so lets do B again, but beware of the inevitable happening of C.” It is not fun anymore and I guess I speak for the sake of the other two Servers as well when I demand a manual re-roll of the matchup-percentages for the next weeks’ reset, so we don’t face the same match-up for at least the next two weeks again.

Yeah..

The entire EU bronze league is locked in their matchups :/

bump.
could maybe a moderator or dev tell us if this issue is at least getting looked at?
My whole guild and a good chunk of our servers’ wvw-community is getting more and more frustrated by this situation, and a flawed mechanic, impacting as many players as this, definitively deserves some attention.

I agree that it might help to spice up a bit rankings on low servers.
While looking on MOS you can clearly see that Arborstone for example http://mos.millenium.org/servers/history/1
from week3 to week 5 was loosing against lower servers and actually went from rank 18 to rank 20. But then Arborstone was lucky to get AG twice in a row and that boosted their points outside of Bronze again.

Dont take this as whining but just as a look how Glicko is broken. How can server that is loosing for few weeks against lower servers get matched against much higher server which will boost their points up and then those lower servers have a huge gap in points that prevents then fighting higher servers because of matchups are made with 3 servers and thus “locked” based on the points?

Arantheal.7396:

could maybe a moderator or dev tell us if this issue is at least getting looked at?

Look at NA-T1 and you have your answer. The Glicko-Matchup TC-BG-JQ now last since Feb 2014 (with short swiss-system season interrupts)

In NA gold the last season has aproved the separation of T1 and T2.

If the servers are that far away in population, any variance in matchup lead only to very imbalanced matches.. Be happy that you aren’t in NA-T3. They have a stale imbalance.

I still hope that HoT also gets rid of the servers for WvW. A never well working concept, but since a year it’s a badly failed concept.

Dayra but in my post you can see in EU at least lower tiers population is not the biggest problem.
Its rating and Glicko.
I dont see the difference between week 07 tier 6 in EU and week 03 EU tier 6 or week 4 same tier.
One server was beaten, but if you check my previous post, weaker server is actually higher tier because of pure luck ,and not lower servers dont have any chance to get up, as they are eve most the time so they wont get 25k of rating every week.

We have the opposite than NA, we have servers that can fight together with their population but are locked in tiers by glicko. Its 2 opposite extremes of same problem.

I don’t know if there will be a spring season 2015. If yes, probably soon. Seasons were of course a way to bridge large rating gaps. However, mostly seasons confirmed most of the rating gaps.

I am from NSP and have only had two match ups in our own tier the past three months. We are constantly matched with T2 servers that we can’t compete with.
This is beyond frustrating and I really hope something is done soon.

Bump.
Do we see a change soon or should we get used to the fact that we will never see other opponents again?

91% chance of the same mathup again.. yay.

Same here.
Slightly reduced, but we all know where this ends again -.-

its intended mechanics of the game. Refer to the gem store to buy a server transfer

Arantheal.7396:

Same here.
Slightly reduced, but we all know where this ends again -.-

Aww, tomorrow might be our lucky day, you never know!

Either this happens some times a year or we have to face servers that have either alot higher or lower rating. It would not be funny to get stomped by a server that has over 300 higher rating.

We just have to wait for the ratings to fluctuate enough so we get higher chances to get other opponents. Patience and play well to make the process faster. Don’t forget to pray for rng gods because there is always a chance to get a different match up.

nope, there isn’t.
6th time in a row the same match-up.
A-net, wake up.

Actually its 7th week now

lost count on it -.-

Im shocked we at BP got stuffed against SF again even though they won the matchup. now we ganna deal with them again because the matchup system is janky

If you want to troll you are doing it wrong way.
And it should be something like: We at BP stomped Kaineng, but even we beated then 2 weeks in a row and they went to lower rank below us Kaineng got lucky draw and was matched againstGate of Madness which created PPT gap we cannot go over.

are you a stupid fk? BP isnt even matched up with Kain. havnt been for a while now. drop the drugs, clear your head of smoke and open your eyes Hule.

Well you started to compare one week against 7 weeks of same matchup.
Specially when Arborstone lost several weeks against lower servers but then got lucky draw and matchup against much higher server boosted its ranks no mather they lost to lower ranks and now we have no chance to overcome that PPT gap because we wont be matched against higher servers because of that PPT gap.
Well we probably found a way how to do it: not play wvw whole week so we will boost one server up enought that RNG will match that server against higher tier. After 7 weeks of same matchup, only way to actually change a matchup is not to win a matchup but to loose hard.
That makes sense for T7 or total 9 tiers.(so not T1 or T9 )

Week 8 here we go

Hule.8794:

Week 8 here we go

At least you guys can see the end of it. With the exception of 1 week we’re now in our 10:th week of the same matchup and nowhere near closing the gap between T8&9.

Underworld is nearly 100 points away pretty close for a roll. Just do fights or something a let the PPT ride.

displayname.8315:

Underworld is nearly 100 points away pretty close for a roll. Just do fights or something a let the PPT ride.

We won with 100k last week and gained 10 points.. it’ll take many more weeks of this matchup.

Reviera.5183:

Im shocked we at BP got stuffed against SF again even though they won the matchup. now we ganna deal with them again because the matchup system is janky

But but but… we like fighting BP. <:C

Just a weekly reminder that the match-up system for EU servers is still broken.

The whole matchup system is just stupid, Gandara vs AR is ok, but why on earth Fsp they just have way more numbers then those two servers together. Just a joke, the old matchup system was alot better.

Halbarz.3854:

The whole matchup system is just stupid, Gandara vs AR is ok, but why on earth Fsp they just have way more numbers then those two servers together. Just a joke, the old matchup system was alot better.

FSP is #5 and Gandara #6 . Why shouldn’t they fight each other? The difference in Glicko was 28 points – almost nothing. The ranking in Europe is so close for the first 10 servers that you have a lot of variety in the mathups. This is not NA.

Agreed, we’re sick of being farmed by a server much bigger than us, who avoid going up a tier by not playing when their ratings go too high.

2-3 months of being spawn camped, laughed at, siege disable spammed and ganked.

Hell, the server in question even went into the forums to say they were the ones outnumbered all the time.

Some grade-A bullkitten going on here. Also, kitten the censor for not letting me rage properly.

Yea as a avid gw2 fanatic .. it has come down to wvw being unplayable not fun or challenging not talking about winning every week but at least having a chance to go against other servers not the same ones months at a time and then they play the game of oh we will go up if we win this week lets all stay off… come on very sad day indeed for gw2 and wvw .. surely it is down to someone in charge to at least do something about it ..
And i’m in the lowest server you can get .. yet the team above us refuses to allow itself to go up .. really what a joke!

Yeah because winning with a score of 300k most weeks clearly shows how we want to keep playing the same match-up over and over and isn’t trying to bridge the gap to T8…

Hell, after week 7 we even ranked past Vabbi and rng screwed us and put us back with you guys again anyway. We’ve been trying to get away from this matchup for a long time, fow was just too busy farming BT to notice.

omegazone.9254:

.. yet the team above us refuses to allow itself to go up ..

Bit silly to say that now that we’re actually ranking up, is it not?

Ranik ranked down and fed wsr+vabbi enough rating to make a big gap between t8&9, that’s why we’ve been stuck with this mathup. End of story.

(A hint: After your wonderful disabler post most people just disable stuff as soon as they see [blub] tag.)

Kungsmurfen.2861:

Yeah because winning with a score of 300k most weeks clearly shows how we want to keep playing the same match-up over and over and isn’t trying to bridge the gap to T8…

Hell, after week 7 we even ranked past Vabbi and rng screwed us and put us back with you guys again anyway. We’ve been trying to get away from this matchup for a long time, fow was just too busy farming BT to notice.

omegazone.9254:

.. yet the team above us refuses to allow itself to go up ..

Bit silly to say that now that we’re actually ranking up, is it not?

Ranik ranked down and fed wsr+vabbi enough rating to make a big gap between t8&9, that’s why we’ve been stuck with this mathup. End of story.

(A hint: After your wonderful disabler post most people just disable stuff as soon as they see [blub] tag.)

Real mature, the reason we have been fighting Bt is because they actually fight instead of camping a tower and disabling/sieging.

Way to prove my kitten point.

Ok lets face it anytime we have had a even group fighting – u.. guys would just zerk us -just no even match up at anytime, and when we have a few players on and went on the offensive you guys run inside your upgraded towers and refuse to fight ..
Always thought you guys where a decent guild with high standards – shame it has obviously went down hill ! when we respected your guild before hand, and now you just mock us .

omegazone.9254:

Ok lets face it anytime we have had a even group fighting – u.. guys would just zerk us -just no even match up at anytime, and when we have a few players on and went on the offensive you guys run inside your upgraded towers and refuse to fight ..
Always thought you guys where a decent guild with high standards – shame it has obviously went down hill ! when we respected your guild before hand, and now you just mock us .

I have a feeling you didn’t read your friends disabler post. He’s the one that came mocking us, not the other way around. I wouldn’t mind having some friendly fights or duels, just say when you have a group going and I’m sure we can do it. We’re all just playing for fun anyway.

We’ve derailed the topic ^^

Lets face it though The siege disabler is BS for all .. And as you say seven weeks for the same match up, really omg so frustrating .
The problem is when you guys go up a tier and i am not mocking you btw, there is a high probability we will be back to square one in 2 weeks time, and have the same stale match ups again for endless weeks! Also we do not have anywhere near the numbers you guys have in wvw anymore because of the system in place And well if there is no close match up then everyone is affected.

Kungsmurfen.2861:

I have a feeling you didn’t read your friends disabler post. He’s the one that came mocking us, not the other way around. I wouldn’t mind having some friendly fights or duels, just say when you have a group going and I’m sure we can do it. We’re all just playing for fun anyway.

We’ve derailed the topic ^^

I didn’t post it intending to mock, I used you as an example because your guild had been spamming disablers and laughing at small groups trying to recap and it was a fitting example as to why I thought the disabler was a flawed addition to the game.

Needless to say, it wasn’t very pleasant. I recognised my error in calling you out in a public forum, admitted my mistake and called for the thread to be closed but your behaviour (and admission that you’ve been targeting my guild for that thread) is disgraceful.

But you are right, we’re derailing so we’ll stop this nonsense.

I agree. There should be something in place to make sure you can’t have more of the same matchup than 3-ish weeks in a row.

We all need a break from this matchup. I’m sure we can have fun in it if it’s less than 10 out of 11 weeks ^^ This many times in a row just makes everything tedious for everyone.

and yeah there’s no way we’ll stay long in T8, we don’t have the numbers, nightcoverage or organisation for that but at least it’ll change things up a little

psizone.8437:

Needless to say, it wasn’t very pleasant. I recognised my error in calling you out in a public forum, admitted my mistake and called for the thread to be closed but your behaviour (and admission that you’ve been targeting my guild for that thread) is disgraceful.

Let’s just say I saw your post as a continuation of that and got tired of it, so I bit back. Everyone that read it knew it was a mocking post of the entire server. So yes, you kittened people off with your post and their revenge was to use extra siege disablers. It’s just taking it with humor really. I guess we missed your apology tho. If you’ve apologised I’m cool with it.

What amaze me is why Anet wont do anything about it? Ok you can clearly see the gap in rating. You can figure out that no RNG can overlap this gap.
So why not just manually update matchups afre 5 same matchups?
Its not hard to figure out what matchups are the same for 5 weeks. Then you just need to change matchup manualy with system one up one down.
Thats it. Rating will be solve by itself, those gaps will disappear. Yes people will whine about being farmed, but its also hapening right now and people are being farmed for months now.
Ring of Fire for example have good matchup, but in this matchup we all know that what decideds is if RoS or RoF can make enought points in prime time and night than dzag in the mornings.
Yes fights are still good, even after 9 weeks we can find good fights, but it gets repetive and boring.

PLEASE ANET, MAKE MANUAL CHANGE FOR NEXT WEEK. I BEG YOU.

Kungsmurfen.2861:

Let’s just say I saw your post as a continuation of that and got tired of it, so I bit back. Everyone that read it knew it was a mocking post of the entire server. So yes, you kittened people off with your post and their revenge was to use extra siege disablers. It’s just taking it with humor really. I guess we missed your apology tho. If you’ve apologised I’m cool with it.

It’s hard to take things with humour when we’ve been having a genuinely terrible experience in WvW. Siege spammed and laughed at by 10~ people when you’re a 4 man roaming guild isn’t pleasant.

You must have, as soon as someone called it out, I instantly apologized and admitted it was worded poorly and edged more on insulting rather than an example of poor implementation of the disabler. I posted that thread at 2am after spending 3-4 hours trying to retake our borderland and being siege disabled throughout, it wasn’t the best time to be writing anything.

Hule.8794:

What amaze me is why Anet wont do anything about it? Ok you can clearly see the gap in rating. You can figure out that no RNG can overlap this gap.
So why not just manually update matchups afre 5 same matchups?
Its not hard to figure out what matchups are the same for 5 weeks. Then you just need to change matchup manualy with system one up one down.
Thats it. Rating will be solve by itself, those gaps will disappear. Yes people will whine about being farmed, but its also hapening right now and people are being farmed for months now.
Ring of Fire for example have good matchup, but in this matchup we all know that what decideds is if RoS or RoF can make enought points in prime time and night than dzag in the mornings.
Yes fights are still good, even after 9 weeks we can find good fights, but it gets repetive and boring.

PLEASE ANET, MAKE MANUAL CHANGE FOR NEXT WEEK. I BEG YOU.

A “one up, one down” system wouldn’t be awful either. It would at least give a little variety in the matchups.

This is the 3rd week SoR got stuck with GoM and AR…who basically double team us even though GoM should not even be in our tier with their numbers. If this happens again kitten Arenamet and this game.

Hule.8794:

So why not just manually update matchups afre 5 same matchups?

psizone.8437:

A “one up, one down” system wouldn’t be awful either. It would at least give a little variety in the matchups.

Yeah something like these would be nice.

psizone.8437:

Siege spammed and laughed at by 10~ people when you’re a 4 man roaming guild isn’t pleasant.

We all get that, sadly. Fight on /salute

How long is it gonna take for FA to get to NA T1, anyway? Feels like it’s taking forever…

Dear Anet,
9 weeks of same MU was enought. Specially when we are so close in points for Arborstone.
Manually adjusting calculation would be great so we can end this endless streak of matchups between RoF-RoS and DZ.
Thanks

Speaking of stale match-ups, here on SBI we’re entering our 5th week against Dragonbrand and 3rd week against Maguuma alongside them, with no end in sight…

gg anet, 10 week of same matchup for servers in the middle of the serber roster.
gg anet

can’t really blame Anet. when they vary the opponents, people complain about the large disparities in matchups that result in lots of blowouts. when they pair up the closest ranking servers, people complain about it getting boring fighting the same people.

But the stale matchups are balanced because we all know Arena Net specializes in keeping things balanced right? Right? lol.

The matches are mostly blowouts anyway, might as well add more variety…..