Guild Wars 2

Sebyos.4089:

There is absolutely no reason why a Thief can spend 90% of a fight stealthed while having the best mobility in the game.

It’d be more like 25-30% of a longer, more drawn-out fight. (well technically 90% if the fight if over in under 3 seconds, lmao!)

Divinorium.8952:

I play as a thief…
and IMO
one way to stop the mimimi about thieves is:
Make the “invisibility” just translucent, i mean from afar would and should still hard to get the thief, but at blank point a good player would see the difference on colors.

There’s also the lack of targetting, but completely invisible while not moving and a faint outline while moving would probably help a lot of people. I can state for a fact that I would no longer be able to poke a mob of 10+ WvW’ers in the butt, and then make a clean get away.

Sebyos.4089:

Those who play Thief and are honest about it like Sylosi and me know that the Thief has the best survival in the game despite lower armor and hp. People have to stop using these lame excuses like hp and toughness and start talking about the real deal : stealth and mobility.

There is absolutely no reason why a Thief can spend 90% of a fight stealthed while having the best mobility in the game.

While it’s true, if a thief get CC he is done for. Mobility in a, most of time, melee character with no hard cc it’s not a plus is what make him viable.

Once a warrior begin to run, you can’t get him. While a elementalist have more mobility from x to y but can’t run at all.

So the “best mobility” take credit of your point.

I do believe they could do something about the restealth 20x in a fight. but saying “thiefs don’t need stealth” is flat dumb.

Anyway. Most of times I kill pretty much everything in W3 but some players just show why, it’s not because my class is OP is because most of players on this game are WoW raid’s players.

As a example:
I use steal, and the player instantly dodge 2 times in a row.
What’s the point? well after that is dancing dagger, CnD and backstab.

Raid’s players dont think ahead. they are gettin hit NOW, they want it stop and spend all their defenses in this moment. while i keep my burst for after that.

While good players, are a hell to kill. i steal, he begin to attack back.(their normal attack hit WAY harder than mine), when i used CnD they dodge once and dont let me get in his back.

That’s just a simple example, what ppl need to understand is: Thief do damage under some conditions(he is on your back, you get your health too low, etc) and while most of classes have one CD for everything(one for damage, one for CC, one to run, etc)
We have one “bar” for all. So we can use the “burst” 3 times in a row but after that no CC, and no way to run.

And i still get their point about thief being annoying to chase down. That’s why, IMO, Changing for complete invisi to just transluced, while giving it more time in this state, is a way of cutting down the thief’s fleeing ability but not turning it flat useless.

Felidire.2861:

Sebyos.4089:

There is absolutely no reason why a Thief can spend 90% of a fight stealthed while having the best mobility in the game.

It’d be more like 25-30% of a longer, more drawn-out fight. (well technically 90% if the fight if over in under 3 seconds, lmao!)

Divinorium.8952:

I play as a thief…
and IMO
one way to stop the mimimi about thieves is:
Make the “invisibility” just translucent, i mean from afar would and should still hard to get the thief, but at blank point a good player would see the difference on colors.

There’s also the lack of targetting, but completely invisible while not moving and a faint outline while moving would probably help a lot of people. I can state for a fact that I would no longer be able to poke a mob of 10+ WvW’ers in the butt, and then make a clean get away.

In this game, you dont need target to use ability, and actually hit with that…. so….

The culling issue is exacerbated when fighting against thieves as they have a lot of stealth skills. I’d say this is just as important as any skill imbalance.

Not had too much problem with thieves myself, unless I ignore them. Only real problem is when there are two or more thieves multi-boxing, then there is definitely an unfair advantage. Multi-boxing is when one player controls more than one character. Allowing a single player to control their own gank squad. Each server needs to start policing their own in this regard.

When a player controls two thieves at a time that is twice the hit points and twice the damage, now up the number and multiply…

If ANet would just fix the rendering issue…

Thieves are fine.

I’ll state again, I have zero problems with the amount of burst Thieves have…I have an issue when that amount of burst is combined with the in-combat stealth and high mobility they currently possess. There has to be some downside for the class, currently there doesn’t seem to be.

jc could u guys whine about something else pls??? Ew!! that class is to strong!! ew!! Ew that class has to many cool things!! Can’t beat ’em, join ’em!! Every WvW post should come w/ cheez n crackers & a trip to the proctologist, pathetic honey boo boos.

FatFuzzy.2659:

jc could u guys whine about something else pls??? Ew!! that class is to strong!! ew!! Ew that class has to many cool things!! Can’t beat ’em, join ’em!! Every WvW post should come w/ cheez n crackers & a trip to the proctologist, pathetic honey boo boos.

Says the Thief. My posts have been informed and not just whining for the sake of whining. I’m sorry you play a Thief and disagree…shocking! Grow up and get over yourself dude.

not hear to argue w/ ya crew…tired of seeing complaining posts……ya we hit hard, hard as hell…we also have a ton of weaknesses that good players know how to exploit. I’ll never grow up & get over myself tho, you’ll have to lay alot more sarcasm on me to get under my skin!! lol…Keep trying tho, it’s entertaining.

ya, mesmer’s are the worst, seriously hate those guys, more than I hate kyle brovloski

Yama.9376:

crewthief.8649:

FatFuzzy.2659:

jc could u guys whine about something else pls??? Ew!! that class is to strong!! ew!! Ew that class has to many cool things!! Can’t beat ’em, join ’em!! Every WvW post should come w/ cheez n crackers & a trip to the proctologist, pathetic honey boo boos.

Says the Thief. My posts have been informed and not just whining for the sake of whining. I’m sorry you play a Thief and disagree…shocking! Grow up and get over yourself dude.

says the mesmer .

/point
/laugh

Zibzab OP Thief

Mesmer’s been brought in-line quite alot. Here’s a tip; CTRL + T, reapply if Mesmer stealths. Good players can give me a very tough time and very rarely get confused by the clones. I listed the reasons that I hold the opinion I do. You’re doing nothing to refute what I posted. I patiently await your tears when you get nerfed, LOL!

FatFuzzy.2659:

not hear to argue w/ ya crew…tired of seeing complaining posts……ya we hit hard, hard as hell…we also have a ton of weaknesses that good players know how to exploit. I’ll never grow up & get over myself tho, you’ll have to lay alot more sarcasm on me to get under my skin!! lol…Keep trying tho, it’s entertaining.

It isn’t about how hard you hit dude, if you’d bothered to read the rest of this thread you’d see that. My issue isn’t with Thief burst…it’s with in-combat stealth and their mobility. That combination of very high burst AND survivability is unmatched by any other profession.

I’ve beaten plenty of Thieves, but that really has nothing to do with whether or not the profession is in-line with the others.

FatFuzzy.2659:

kittenin sweet, that’s y i picked it.

Well, I don’t hate you for it man. It is what it is…but I do think they need toned down. In pretty much every other MMO i’ve played, I mained the stealther…wish i’d done the same in GW2 sometimes, LMAO.

FatFuzzy.2659:

kittenin sweet, that’s y i picked it.

plus you seem very argumentative & confrontational….may i suggest some aromatherapy? Or a few minutes in a hot tub???

Something about ignorance makes me confrontational…what can i say.

Yama.9376:

crewthief.8649:

Yama.9376:

crewthief.8649:

FatFuzzy.2659:

jc could u guys whine about something else pls??? Ew!! that class is to strong!! ew!! Ew that class has to many cool things!! Can’t beat ’em, join ’em!! Every WvW post should come w/ cheez n crackers & a trip to the proctologist, pathetic honey boo boos.

Says the Thief. My posts have been informed and not just whining for the sake of whining. I’m sorry you play a Thief and disagree…shocking! Grow up and get over yourself dude.

says the mesmer .

/point
/laugh

Zibzab OP Thief

Mesmer’s been brought in-line quite alot. Good players can give me a very tough time just fine. I listed the reasons that I hold the opinion I do. You’re doing nothing to refute what I posted. I patiently await your tears when you get nerfed, LOL!

This is how i read your arguments:

A bad mesmer (you) needs a good player to be able to kill them.

hmm

A bad thief kills no one (unless they are so bad they dont move away, refer to most posters in this thread).

Thank you I see clearly. Mesmer OP. Nerf whaaaa

Zibzab OP Thief

Well, you make alot of assumptions there. Pretty sure you and I have never fought in-game. Also, you clearly either haven’t read or have failed to comprehend my argument in this thread, your reply has nothing do with it. I do great on my Mesmer. Your class is overpowered dude. And you’re trolling for the sake of trolling.

crewthief.8649:

Yama.9376:

crewthief.8649:

Yama.9376:

crewthief.8649:

FatFuzzy.2659:

jc could u guys whine about something else pls??? Ew!! that class is to strong!! ew!! Ew that class has to many cool things!! Can’t beat ’em, join ’em!! Every WvW post should come w/ cheez n crackers & a trip to the proctologist, pathetic honey boo boos.

Says the Thief. My posts have been informed and not just whining for the sake of whining. I’m sorry you play a Thief and disagree…shocking! Grow up and get over yourself dude.

says the mesmer .

/point
/laugh

Zibzab OP Thief

Mesmer’s been brought in-line quite alot. Good players can give me a very tough time just fine. I listed the reasons that I hold the opinion I do. You’re doing nothing to refute what I posted. I patiently await your tears when you get nerfed, LOL!

This is how i read your arguments:

A bad mesmer (you) needs a good player to be able to kill them.

hmm

A bad thief kills no one (unless they are so bad they dont move away, refer to most posters in this thread).

Thank you I see clearly. Mesmer OP. Nerf whaaaa

Zibzab OP Thief

Well, you make alot of assumptions there. Pretty sure you and I have never fought in-game. Also, you clearly either haven’t read or have failed to comprehend my argument in this thread, your reply has nothing do with it. I do great on my Mesmer. Your class is overpowered dude. And you’re trolling for the sake of trolling.

Thief has been brought in line as well. Thief is the class that got the most nerfs. Now stop complaining because your getting crapped on by thieves.

SmokeyNYY.7841:

crewthief.8649:

Yama.9376:

crewthief.8649:

Yama.9376:

crewthief.8649:

FatFuzzy.2659:

jc could u guys whine about something else pls??? Ew!! that class is to strong!! ew!! Ew that class has to many cool things!! Can’t beat ’em, join ’em!! Every WvW post should come w/ cheez n crackers & a trip to the proctologist, pathetic honey boo boos.

Says the Thief. My posts have been informed and not just whining for the sake of whining. I’m sorry you play a Thief and disagree…shocking! Grow up and get over yourself dude.

says the mesmer .

/point
/laugh

Zibzab OP Thief

Mesmer’s been brought in-line quite alot. Good players can give me a very tough time just fine. I listed the reasons that I hold the opinion I do. You’re doing nothing to refute what I posted. I patiently await your tears when you get nerfed, LOL!

This is how i read your arguments:

A bad mesmer (you) needs a good player to be able to kill them.

hmm

A bad thief kills no one (unless they are so bad they dont move away, refer to most posters in this thread).

Thank you I see clearly. Mesmer OP. Nerf whaaaa

Zibzab OP Thief

Well, you make alot of assumptions there. Pretty sure you and I have never fought in-game. Also, you clearly either haven’t read or have failed to comprehend my argument in this thread, your reply has nothing do with it. I do great on my Mesmer. Your class is overpowered dude. And you’re trolling for the sake of trolling.

Thief has been brought in line as well. Thief is the class that got the most nerfs. Now stop complaining because your getting crapped on by thieves.

We’ll see, won’t we? Only people really defending Thieves are people who play Thieves. Does that tell you anything?

@SmokeyNYY

Also, if you had read my other posts in this thread…you’d see that i’m not just blindly complaining about Thieves. Funny that you’d assume that since I disagree with you, I must be getting crapped on by Thieves. Is it possible that I just feel they’re a bit overpowered because they are?

Webley.1295:

More bads QQing about simple mechanics that can be understood in around 10mins of study

Read the rest of the thread before commenting. Nothing you’ve typed pertains to the debate. Funny, two people in this thread have commented that i’m “bad”, LOL. I’d happily duel and dominate both of you, positive of that. I’m on Sorrows Furnace, we’re playing Emhry Bay and Northern Shiverpeaks this week. PM me.

Bunzy.8674:

In terms of survival thieves can run faster then any other class, they can port with shortbows not to mention stealth. They have one of the best if not the best survival options.

Engineer has perma swiftness

port with shortbow. burst you down fast… pick ONE because thieves sure can’t do both

best survivability… guardian and mesmers would like a word with you.

As a reminder to everyone, please keep this discussion civil, friendly and productive.

Multiple ways to disengage and get into stealth.
Multiple ways – some spammable to close.
Insane burst damage.

You can play a thief with 1 button and own.

It needs much more work to reduce it.

They will without a doubt nerf thieves into the ground due to everyone asking for nerfs. The only acceptable change in thieves should be that you can’t precast CnD before steal.

They already took care of the biggest issue people should stop crying. Yes I’m a thief, no I don’t play a backstab build. Yes I sometimes die to Thieves that catch me off guard or when my CD’s are down. A full glass cannon backstab thief has 1 chance to kill you. If that fails you should win, if you don’t you shouldn’t come to the forums asking for nerfs but you should reflect on your playstyle and realize you just got outplayed.

SmokeyNYY.7841:

crewthief.8649:

Webley.1295:

More bads QQing about simple mechanics that can be understood in around 10mins of study

Read the rest of the thread before commenting. Nothing you’ve typed pertains to the debate. Funny, two people in this thread have commented that i’m “bad”, LOL. I’d happily duel and dominate both of you, positive of that. I’m on Sorrows Furnace, we’re playing Emhry Bay and Northern Shiverpeaks this week. PM me.

I would destroy you kid. But I would never be matched against your garbage server anyway.

I’m sure you would. Care to prove it? I’m 37, far from a kid. Wasn’t your server beaten by my ‘trash’ server a month or so ago? We were matched against SoR and DH. Your amazing server has little if anything to do with you, transfers sound familiar? LOL!

All thieves can escape easily. Not all thieves can kill easily. I’ve run into a lot of bad thieves that jump on the band wagon because they got killed by a good thief.

Mesmers on the other hand. I have problems with every single one of them. If it’s not unbelievably damaging phantoms. It’s exploding clones, retaliation and/or confusion. Add to the fact with the stealth render bug, you’re going to have a hard time trying to locate the mesmer. By the time you’ve found them. You’re almost dead while they’re still full health.

crewthief.8649:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

crewthief.8649:

Webley.1295:

More bads QQing about simple mechanics that can be understood in around 10mins of study

Read the rest of the thread before commenting. Nothing you’ve typed pertains to the debate. Funny, two people in this thread have commented that i’m “bad”, LOL. I’d happily duel and dominate both of you, positive of that. I’m on Sorrows Furnace, we’re playing Emhry Bay and Northern Shiverpeaks this week. PM me.

I would destroy you kid. But I would never be matched against your garbage server anyway.

I’m sure you would. Care to prove it? I’m 37, far from a kid. Wasn’t your server beaten by my ‘trash’ server a month or so ago? We were matched against SoR and DH. Your amazing server has little if anything to do with you, transfers sound familiar? LOL!

Flexing and challenging others on the internet at your old age?? You should know better, shame on you. As the mod said, keep this thread productive and useful. Many here are complaining that thieves are OP…for the millionth time….repetition is not useful nor productive. I’m here to tell you there are MANY ways you can kill us, but I will not divulge those secrets, you must find them out for your own grasshopper. Until then, I guess all you can do is complain here & cross your fingers. Crewthief, just give it up man…move on…..let’s keep this civil and not ‘meet me after school’ kinda mentality.

Thank you, & good day, happy gaming to all!!

aside from the poor necro I don’t think theirs a class that doesn’t have some kind of OP talent talk but with mes and thief we escape more where as others do not, but that’s what our classes are made to do. They are similar in their sneaky/stealthy aspects which can be frustrating as crap but you cant field a siege of 50 thieves and break the doors down imo.

Thieves make good scouts, stall tactics, and on occasion distraction because imo its kind of their job. Can’t judge the OPness of a class simply on it’s 1v1 talents imo, because wvw is not a majority of 1v1 but small to large group warfare with 1v1 scattered in.

Most the time these days I’m on a mission and no time to stop for a 1v1 with a thief so I’ll lose em to get back on my mission rather than try to kill him and maybe win or lose em if I win… the 1v1 isn’t the big picture imo.

It’s pretty simple a class or in the case of this game any build of any class should. Either have burst and be easy to kill or hard to kill and have no damage or somewhere in between. Can’t have both. The problem with thieves is that they can stealth when fights turn south vs them, burst fine but if you don’t kill me with the burst you should not be able to run away. It really gets old when I have a thief beat only to have him stealth and be out of range by the time he reappears. Heck I think even without stealth they can get way just with speed.

Mogar.9216:

It’s pretty simple a class or in the case of this game any build of any class should. Either have burst and be easy to kill or hard to kill and have no damage or somewhere in between. Can’t have both. The problem with thieves is that they can stealth when fights turn south vs them, burst fine but if you don’t kill me with the burst you should not be able to run away. It really gets old when I have a thief beat only to have him stealth and be out of range by the time he reappears. Heck I think even without stealth they can get way just with speed.

The problem with thieves is toughness and vitality doesn’t really help them too well. I ran toughness and vitality as a thief for while to be destroyed by burst and outlasted by non-burst. Went full precision, crit and crit damage gear to have a fighting chance against those with exotic gear.

Thieves really don’t have much of a choice. They’re made to deal high amounts of damage and be squishy.

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