Guild Wars 2

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Dude you’ve got 4 sentries in EB. Chill.

Yeah perfect game design.

Imbalance to make the majority happy.

Not that bad, I see almost no upgrades keeps so you or the other server will kill them when your people get online. i suppose it’s the nightcrew that did this?

It’s much better for you than the Green Server who will be bored out of their brains with nothing to fight.

L Step.8659:

It’s much better for you than the Green Server who will be bored out of their brains with nothing to fight.

Well if they capped all that without any resistance and thought it was fun, they can always go to EotM while they wait them to be capped back. You’d be surprised to know how many people there are in WvW that don’t really like fighting other players.

Yessss…. yesssssssss…. this is exactly what WvW is like

Oohhh, lots of targets to capture. >.> Come back when they outscore both the other servers though.

Sadly, low silver/bronze is the place where logging in at night to capture stuff tends to be good.

Well the thing is, you stay in your Tier, this happens. You move down a Tier, your now the dominant server.

Ehmry Bay moves up a Tier and someone from Tier 5 moves down, it’ll be even worse. Someone from Tier 7 moves up while ehmry bay moves down; nothing changes in Tier 6, but Tier 7 gets destroyed.

So what exactly do you want? The only ideal situation is to fuse all the servers together into 3 separate factions where the population will be the same throughout all factions…

Are you up for something like that or are you one of the players that holds too much “server pride”?

DeadlySynz.3471:

Well the thing is, you stay in your Tier, this happens. You move down a Tier, your now the dominant server.

Ehmry Bay moves up a Tier and someone from Tier 5 moves down, it’ll be even worse. Someone from Tier 7 moves up while ehmry bay moves down; nothing changes in Tier 6, but Tier 7 gets destroyed.

So what exactly do you want? The only ideal situation is to fuse all the servers together into 3 separate factions where the population will be the same throughout all factions…

Are you up for something like that or are you one of the players that holds too much “server pride”?

The problem isn’t tier anything….When I took this I was the only one on the map for our side. Our heavy population time is 30 people (all maps). The problem is that once you go out and get rolled by 5 times your numbers you go do something else.

How is this fixed?
// Function to determine if player can log in or not to WvW.
bool CanILogIntoWvW(int mySideMapCount, int opponent1MapCount, int opponent2MapCount)
{
if (mySideMapCount < MIN_PLAYERS)
{
return TRUE;
}
else if ( (mySideMapCount < (opponent1MapCount + NUM_ALLOWED_MORE) ) &&
(mySideMapCount < (opponent2MapCount + NUM_ALLOWED_MORE) ) )
{
return TRUE;
}
return FALSE;
} // —-— End of CanILogIntoWvW —-—

The above allows you to log in if there are less than some minimum number of players allowed. If you have more than this minimum then you compare the other two opponents numbers and only allow logins if you have less than both opponents plus a allowable few more.

The call of this function brackets whatever login code they have now.
Its a simple solution that should have been done a long time ago.

Thanks

Rekt.   

Awww, that’s no fun for anyone… Down in T8, we have not problems, are matchup is hovering about a 1000 difference right now and is very fun and filled with great small group fights and some very long-term sieges. It’s great!

Skeletor.9360:

DeadlySynz.3471:

Well the thing is, you stay in your Tier, this happens. You move down a Tier, your now the dominant server.

Ehmry Bay moves up a Tier and someone from Tier 5 moves down, it’ll be even worse. Someone from Tier 7 moves up while ehmry bay moves down; nothing changes in Tier 6, but Tier 7 gets destroyed.

So what exactly do you want? The only ideal situation is to fuse all the servers together into 3 separate factions where the population will be the same throughout all factions…

Are you up for something like that or are you one of the players that holds too much “server pride”?

The problem isn’t tier anything….When I took this I was the only one on the map for our side. Our heavy population time is 30 people (all maps). The problem is that once you go out and get rolled by 5 times your numbers you go do something else.

How is this fixed?
// Function to determine if player can log in or not to WvW.
bool CanILogIntoWvW(int mySideMapCount, int opponent1MapCount, int opponent2MapCount)
{
if (mySideMapCount < MIN_PLAYERS)
{
return TRUE;
}
else if ( (mySideMapCount < (opponent1MapCount + NUM_ALLOWED_MORE) ) &&
(mySideMapCount < (opponent2MapCount + NUM_ALLOWED_MORE) ) )
{
return TRUE;
}
return FALSE;
} // —-— End of CanILogIntoWvW —-—

The above allows you to log in if there are less than some minimum number of players allowed. If you have more than this minimum then you compare the other two opponents numbers and only allow logins if you have less than both opponents plus a allowable few more.

The call of this function brackets whatever login code they have now.
Its a simple solution that should have been done a long time ago.

Thanks

Can we also implement a PVP flagging system whereupon I can flag up and kill any friendly who’s standing around afk at the crafters or doing JPs or any other PvE garbage while taking up slots on the map from actual contributing players?

Another complaint from DR. We had it just as bad, we got steamrolled for an entire month by EB (FC/EB/AR) and they won by a long shot every week. Both FC and AR could barely keep stuff on the map off prime and every single night we lost all keep waypoints, towers and camps yet you don’t see either of our servers making forum topics about the lopsided match up. Just wait it out, its already known that DR imploded and their going down.

Wvw is a game of numbers. That’s all there is to it. And since they refuse to bring new fresh content to the game it’s been dying from the start. Remember when even in last tiers 24/25 there were zergs……

Skeletor.9360:

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Nah, this is not WvW, this is PvD

SilverWF.4789:

Skeletor.9360:

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Nah, this is not WvW, this is PvD

Is there a difference anymore?

Dayra.7405:

SilverWF.4789:

Skeletor.9360:

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Nah, this is not WvW, this is PvD

Is there a difference anymore?

in the prime-time

Sad thing, after that, people from the roflstomped servers move to the strongest one, making the difference and imbalance even higher, which transaltes in worse matchups everytime. Scoring system is broken since day 1 of WvW, more population, more scoring and catches population from other lower populated servers

That match-up is not fun for anyone.

This is a Mist war right? Imagine if they introduced Mistlock Instability to the server as they cap more. “As your Server captures more territory the Mists affect you more and more.”

Imagine, the enemy uses an elite and dies!! Or the Mossman stalking the high PPT players across maps! So hilarious See list below:

Mist Stalker: The Mossman stalks you through the fractals.
Impaired Immunity: Conditions applied to you last longer.
Outflanked: Enemies do more damage when attacking from behind or the sides.
Fleeting Precision : Your critical chance is reduced.
Stormy Weather: Lightning periodically strikes.
Losing Control: Outgoing control effects have reduced effectiveness.
Keep Them in Line: Damaged enemies gain boons when unattended.
Ill and Chill: Poison, chill, and confusion have unintended effects.
Last Laugh: Enemies explode when killed.
Agonizing Expedition: You are frequently afflicted with agony.
Playing Favorites: Untargeted enemies take half damage.
Lethargic: Reduced endurance regeneration.
Bloodlust: Combat is agonizing. Get a kill for relief.
Overextended: Take damage when you deal critical damage.
Frosty: Periodically leave a patch of freezing frost.
Social Awkwardness: Nearby allies reduce your healing effectiveness.
Antielitism: Elite skills cause death.
Tainted Renewal: Regeneration, protection, and vigor have unintended effects.
Stamina Outgoing: damage is reduced when endurance is low.
Agonizing Expedition: You are frequently afflicted with agony.

Change server = Problem solved!

Biohazard.7523:

Change server = Problem solved!

Then you have forever queues and the imbalance shifts even more. There was a post higher up that said a very similar thing.

T1 and T2 do not typically have this WvW problem, and I promise you we do not have forever queues.

I know the feeling though, as I temp transferred to Kaineng for a couple weeks and yes, the map the OP showed IS what WvW is like for those tiers. But yes the WvW players on the overpowered/mismatched server do get bored of no fights and then the K-train folks move in. It’s the same thing that happens during WvW Season mismatches. Til something changes you’ll have to do the changing.

This is likely why they are testing an Alliance versus Alliance type matchup in EotM. If they did that in WvW then all servers, even WvW-light, would frequently be alongside plentiful allies. The problem then remains how many maps would be needed to contain populations of that size with a minimal queue if any, without forcing the overflow to EotM. This is why I’m nervous that WvW match lengths may eventually change into as short as 24-hours, if not shorter. At that point WvW turns arcade mode.

Skeletor.9360:

DeadlySynz.3471:

Well the thing is, you stay in your Tier, this happens. You move down a Tier, your now the dominant server.

Ehmry Bay moves up a Tier and someone from Tier 5 moves down, it’ll be even worse. Someone from Tier 7 moves up while ehmry bay moves down; nothing changes in Tier 6, but Tier 7 gets destroyed.

So what exactly do you want? The only ideal situation is to fuse all the servers together into 3 separate factions where the population will be the same throughout all factions…

Are you up for something like that or are you one of the players that holds too much “server pride”?

The problem isn’t tier anything….When I took this I was the only one on the map for our side. Our heavy population time is 30 people (all maps). The problem is that once you go out and get rolled by 5 times your numbers you go do something else.

How is this fixed?
// Function to determine if player can log in or not to WvW.
bool CanILogIntoWvW(int mySideMapCount, int opponent1MapCount, int opponent2MapCount)
{
if (mySideMapCount < MIN_PLAYERS)
{
return TRUE;
}
else if ( (mySideMapCount < (opponent1MapCount + NUM_ALLOWED_MORE) ) &&
(mySideMapCount < (opponent2MapCount + NUM_ALLOWED_MORE) ) )
{
return TRUE;
}
return FALSE;
} // —-— End of CanILogIntoWvW —-—

The above allows you to log in if there are less than some minimum number of players allowed. If you have more than this minimum then you compare the other two opponents numbers and only allow logins if you have less than both opponents plus a allowable few more.

The call of this function brackets whatever login code they have now.
Its a simple solution that should have been done a long time ago.

Thanks

sure
and this system is called “QUEUE”

Biohazard.7523:

Change server = Problem solved!

This has to be the stupidest comment on this thread.

Yeah only tier 1 and 2 are doing well with matchup, as soon as you fall down a tier (like to tier 3) it becomes boring as hell. I’m guessing that in 6 months time WvW will only be interesting in tier 1 because of all the people leaving the game.

Xillllix.3485:

Yeah only tier 1 and 2 are doing well with matchup, as soon as you fall down a tier (like to tier 3) it becomes boring as hell. I’m guessing that in 6 months time WvW will only be interesting in tier 1 because of all the people leaving the game.

Same was said about wvw about 2 years ago still there so i am sry you need a bit more to back up what your saying.

Any way its not a pop. problem its a coverages problem if your world is mostly NA players then they play during NA prime time. So even in T1 and T2 maps can look like that at there worlds off times. You simply CANT force ppl into playing when there are less ppl from your world playing and no pop. going up or fall will changes this.

The only true fix would be no reason lock for worlds so you will have a coverages all the time IF you have ppl from all over the world playing during there prime times. But then the location of these servers will be a major problem for most of the ppl who play on that world.

Its a no win and the biggest flaw about RvR games its not a GW2 flaw alone. So the WvW ppl will only go to other games with a RvR that will have the same problem at the end of the day. To get back to “I’m guessing that in 6 months time WvW will only be interesting in tier 1 because of all the people leaving the game.” only as a temp. fix by the ppl who like rvr because its going to happen agen and agen as a new game comes out to no end.

Jski.6180:

Xillllix.3485:

Yeah only tier 1 and 2 are doing well with matchup, as soon as you fall down a tier (like to tier 3) it becomes boring as hell. I’m guessing that in 6 months time WvW will only be interesting in tier 1 because of all the people leaving the game.

Same was said about wvw about 2 years ago still there so i am sry you need a bit more to back up what your saying.

Any way its not a pop. problem its a coverages problem if your world is mostly NA players then they play during NA prime time. So even in T1 and T2 maps can look like that at there worlds off times. You simply CANT force ppl into playing when there are less ppl from your world playing and no pop. going up or fall will changes this.

The only true fix would be no reason lock for worlds so you will have a coverages all the time IF you have ppl from all over the world playing during there prime times. But then the location of these servers will be a major problem for most of the ppl who play on that world.

Its a no win and the biggest flaw about RvR games its not a GW2 flaw alone. So the WvW ppl will only go to other games with a RvR that will have the same problem at the end of the day. To get back to “I’m guessing that in 6 months time WvW will only be interesting in tier 1 because of all the people leaving the game.” only as a temp. fix by the ppl who like rvr because its going to happen agen and agen as a new game comes out to no end.

SoS has no problems with coverage, we just can’t find fights on tier 3.

The game is shifting towards upper tier. I’m not talking about balance but about population. It’s easy to predict that in a year the only real action worthy of how this game was on release will be in tier 1, when tier 2 dies only tier 1 will remain.

Xillllix.3485:

Jski.6180:

Xillllix.3485:

Yeah only tier 1 and 2 are doing well with matchup, as soon as you fall down a tier (like to tier 3) it becomes boring as hell. I’m guessing that in 6 months time WvW will only be interesting in tier 1 because of all the people leaving the game.

Same was said about wvw about 2 years ago still there so i am sry you need a bit more to back up what your saying.

Any way its not a pop. problem its a coverages problem if your world is mostly NA players then they play during NA prime time. So even in T1 and T2 maps can look like that at there worlds off times. You simply CANT force ppl into playing when there are less ppl from your world playing and no pop. going up or fall will changes this.

The only true fix would be no reason lock for worlds so you will have a coverages all the time IF you have ppl from all over the world playing during there prime times. But then the location of these servers will be a major problem for most of the ppl who play on that world.

Its a no win and the biggest flaw about RvR games its not a GW2 flaw alone. So the WvW ppl will only go to other games with a RvR that will have the same problem at the end of the day. To get back to “I’m guessing that in 6 months time WvW will only be interesting in tier 1 because of all the people leaving the game.” only as a temp. fix by the ppl who like rvr because its going to happen agen and agen as a new game comes out to no end.

SoS has no problems with coverage, we just can’t find fights on tier 3.

The game is shifting towards upper tier. I’m not talking about balance but about population. It’s easy to predict that in a year the only real action worthy of how this game was on release will be in tier 1, when tier 2 dies only tier 1 will remain.

The population wants to be in the higher tiers then? That another problem with RvR not GW2. I am talking about why maps can be flipped all one way.

Short of a complete redesign there is sadly no real fixes for it.

If they were willing to do a redesign however I have heard of several good ideas that could fix the majority of the problems. Ideas like

1: Getting rid of the “home world” idea * instead go of alliances that are tiered on numbers & how well they perform.

2: You can leave your current alliance at any time for free & if not in an alliance you are put into a randoms group at every reset, the randoms groups have their own tier separate from alliances. Joining a new alliance however costs gems, or karma.

3: The numbers cap for each tier of alliance is definite & even the largest would be smaller then the number of people who belong to the T1 servers. This is to ensure a wider variety of match ups, prevent long que.

4: Create reward lines similar to actual PvP, that reward every so many towr caps, keep caps, player kills, & camp caps.

5: Create new maps that encourage large groups to split up & attack targets from different directions at once (via use of cliffs, choke points etc…)

6: Redesign of defensive siege & towers/keeps so that they grant small bonuses to defenders (Iron hide becoming a staple for all defensive siege etc…)

There are lots of other good ideas I have heard as well, these are just some of the best.