As for FA, they have gotten significantly stronger these last few weeks. They have good coverage, good population and several strong guilds. The will likely lay waste to DB and probably beat Mags now.
We really haven’t gotten stronger, we’re just back to our pre-tourney levels (maybe even slightly below.) Tons of people, including me, got bored out of our minds with the tourney and effectively stopped playing WvW.
There will once again be 4 T2 servers and FA and someone else will take turns annihilating IoJ and SBI.
LOL “FA success” Get rolled all season despite at the kitten talk, now buys the guilds they were battling that will leave at the 1st sign of failing.oh jes jes i cant wait. " well you see here…. we didnt want to be in silver league…. for a third time, but our guilds left us…. again
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How many HoD’s are needed to change the lightbulb?
Dunno… they never got that far up the ladder…
The point of this thread is that the majority of the time WvW is not fun. I like to call it a “perfect storm” when each server actually has a balanced match up and the score remains remotely close, WvW is incredibly fun, but it’s pretty kitten 80% of the time.
Sure the fights are fun at times, and many people enjoy the open field battles, but the system does not encourage this type of play, nor reward it so the end result is frustration from the player base.
There’s so many interesting things WvW could do.
I even remember them speaking about changing the scoring system from a week to week basis, for example, camps would be worth more points for a week; but of course we’ve yet to see them do that.
While I can argue that the even fights are a blast, so is winning the defends/battles when you’re outnumbered 3-1. On the other hand, I’ve definitely been there when our server couldn’t even get out of the home base zone… no, that was totally UNFUN. I agree with the person that said though that ANet and NCSoft are motivated by dollars, not really what players hope for. The only time they might really listen is when it hits their bank statement.
We really haven’t gotten stronger, we’re just back to our pre-tourney levels (maybe even slightly below.) Tons of people, including me, got bored out of our minds with the tourney and effectively stopped playing WvW.
There will once again be 4 T2 servers and FA and someone else will take turns annihilating IoJ and SBI.
By returning to FAs former strength they have gotten stronger as most other non-T1 servers have gotten weaker due to attrition.
As for the current state of servers… IMO looks like:
Tier 3 is looking like YB and DB with SBI/IoJ on the bubble as a Tier 3.5.
Then the rest.
I only “follow” the servers FA fights, so it’s hard to comment what’s going on in other tiers. If what you wrote is true we will have pretty good matchups. 3 T1, 3 T2 (even if SoS is really strong should be fun at least) and then a bunch of T3 servers to fiddle around with each other.
I’ve heard this is the result of transfers, but it’s still not very fun.
If I can only play certain times of the day why should I be punished?
Isn’t the whole ideology behind not fixing the WvW population problem based on not wanting to punish players who play certain times?
What’s the difference?
I give all credit in the world to FA for their success, but it’s currently not even remotely fun given the current mechanics of WvW.
It’s not like that just on your server.
Oh, I’m aware. If you look at all the current match-ups in NA currently there’s only one match where each server is within 15k of each-other. Every other match up has one server ahead by miles.
I’ve heard this is the result of transfers, but it’s still not very fun.
If I can only play certain times of the day why should I be punished?
Isn’t the whole ideology behind not fixing the WvW population problem based on not wanting to punish players who play certain times?
What’s the difference?
I give all credit in the world to FA for their success, but it’s currently not even remotely fun given the current mechanics of WvW.
It’s not like that just on your server.
Oh, I’m aware. If you look at all the current match-ups in NA currently there’s only one match where each server is within 15k of each-other. Every other match up has one server ahead by miles.
That’s because the tournament just ended so glicko still has to readjust the server ratings. Ratings always get screwed up due to the league structure of the seasons so it will take time for glicko to “figure out” where each server should really be. Yes, the system moves painfully slowly and does not adjust as quick as it should. A flaw anet needs to look into.
If you want FA to move out of T3 faster, do not cap your stuff back, let them hold it to gain more score to increase their rating even faster. In the mean time, just look for fights.
I’ve heard this is the result of transfers, but it’s still not very fun.
If I can only play certain times of the day why should I be punished?
Isn’t the whole ideology behind not fixing the WvW population problem based on not wanting to punish players who play certain times?
What’s the difference?
I give all credit in the world to FA for their success, but it’s currently not even remotely fun given the current mechanics of WvW.
Us over on SBI start to smile when super-blobs swarm like 5 of our guys attacking a tower or camp. We hope you guys enjoy your bandwagons because your probably gonna be keeping them until the next season starts…. Which is in the fall and then goes on into the NEXT year! Have fun winning all the time with little effort XD kitten this must be boring for you guys? this may sound like sarcasm but I’m being genuine here, wish we could fight you guys like we used to :’(
Being on the other side of this thread, I can agree, it’s not very fun.
The skill groups have scared away everyone but the WvW guilds, basically leaving a skeleton crew in their place. I still come online and play for 3-4 hours every day, but the scale of how outnumbered we are is pretty intense. I’d love to put up a fight but everyone seemed to have kicked the can by sunday morning…
Isn’t it hilarious watching hardcore WvW guilds stacking up all serious-like and veiling into an unorganized group of skeletons? And since were so spread out and we don’t stack, they only kill like 1-2 people per “drive-by” XD
We need to see how FA does in T2. I’d like to see how they compete.
FA has been to T2 before. The majority of the population isn’t going to be intimidated by SoS or Mag, not when they fought them often before season 2. I’m not saying FA is going to win the PPT battle, but they won’t balk at fights. I can promise that.
If you want FA to move out of T3 faster, do not cap your stuff back, let them hold it to gain more score to increase their rating even faster. In the mean time, just look for fights.
We need to see how FA does in T2. I’d like to see how they compete.
FA has been to T2 before. The majority of the population isn’t going to be intimidated by SoS or Mag, not when they fought them often before season 2. I’m not saying FA is going to win the PPT battle, but they won’t balk at fights. I can promise that.
Mag is home of some pretty good guild groups, FA is going to learn a lot and when they come out bruised and bloody they will learn and only then will I fear them as an SBI player
We need to see how FA does in T2. I’d like to see how they compete.
FA has been to T2 before. The majority of the population isn’t going to be intimidated by SoS or Mag, not when they fought them often before season 2. I’m not saying FA is going to win the PPT battle, but they won’t balk at fights. I can promise that.
Mag is home of some pretty good guild groups, FA is going to learn a lot and when they come out bruised and bloody they will learn and only then will I fear them as an SBI player
Wat.
It’s not like FA is some bottom of silver league server that bandwagonned up. They have probably fought Mag more than most servers. They know what to do against them. Its not like its a secret.
We need to see how FA does in T2. I’d like to see how they compete.
FA has been to T2 before. The majority of the population isn’t going to be intimidated by SoS or Mag, not when they fought them often before season 2. I’m not saying FA is going to win the PPT battle, but they won’t balk at fights. I can promise that.
Mag is home of some pretty good guild groups, FA is going to learn a lot and when they come out bruised and bloody they will learn and only then will I fear them as an SBI player
Wat.
It’s not like FA is some bottom of silver league server that bandwagonned up. They have probably fought Mag more than most servers. They know what to do against them. Its not like its a secret.
Yeah, I’m not entirely sure where this idea started that FA is going to ‘learn’ something by going up to T2. Don’t believe me? Go to MOS and check the matchup history pre-seasons. What servers were FA fighting against before seasons started? No, I’ll wait. … That’s right. Mag and Sauce. Go back further. Yep, you’ll see that FA has a long history of fighting in T2, well before Maguuma jumped up and TC still blobbed with PINK. Most importantly, the FA core are people who’ve been there for the long haul. Sure, they’ve lost a few pretty good skill groups, but they’ve also gained a few. They’ll be fine. Believe me, if SoS and Mag weren’t so sure they’re going to get better fights out of FA, they wouldn’t be lobbying so hard for DB to drop into T3.
ANet doesn’t know how to handle this game-mode correctly so instead they choose to neglect it.
All that needs to be done to fix WvW has been explained in details on the forum suggestion threads. Progress is terribly slow on the WvW side of things.
Anyway, since this is a matchup thread it will probably be deleted.
Ah well, at least there is a new PvE boss out soon.
If you want FA to move out of T3 faster, do not cap your stuff back, let them hold it to gain more score to increase their rating even faster. In the mean time, just look for fights.
How many HoD’s are needed to change the lightbulb?
Dunno… they never got that far up the ladder…
I love it.
I don’t want FA to move out of T3, I would rather fight FA than DB.
Let me get this straight.
You prefer losing everything during EU and have all your stuff paper during NA, OCX and SEA
Over, losing everything in SEA, being able to re-upgrade everything during EU (DB has zero eu) and starting on even footing for NA prime?
We need to see how FA does in T2. I’d like to see how they compete.
FA has been to T2 before. The majority of the population isn’t going to be intimidated by SoS or Mag, not when they fought them often before season 2. I’m not saying FA is going to win the PPT battle, but they won’t balk at fights. I can promise that.
Mag is home of some pretty good guild groups, FA is going to learn a lot and when they come out bruised and bloody they will learn and only then will I fear them as an SBI player
wtf youre talking about?
FA was the #5/#6 server for I dont know, months and months. There is nothing new on tier2 for FA players. 80% of the players on FA (the core of the server) are on FA almost since launch.
We need to see how FA does in T2. I’d like to see how they compete.
FA has been to T2 before. The majority of the population isn’t going to be intimidated by SoS or Mag, not when they fought them often before season 2. I’m not saying FA is going to win the PPT battle, but they won’t balk at fights. I can promise that.
Mag is home of some pretty good guild groups, FA is going to learn a lot and when they come out bruised and bloody they will learn and only then will I fear them as an SBI player
If you want FA to move out of T3 faster, do not cap your stuff back, let them hold it to gain more score to increase their rating even faster. In the mean time, just look for fights.
How many HoD’s are needed to change the lightbulb?
Dunno… they never got that far up the ladder…
I love it.
I don’t want FA to move out of T3, I would rather fight FA than DB.
Let me get this straight.
You prefer losing everything during EU and have all your stuff paper during NA, OCX and SEA
Over, losing everything in SEA, being able to re-upgrade everything during EU (DB has zero eu) and starting on even footing for NA prime?
I don’t understand you.
This match against FA is not fun. For some reason I remember FA being more fun than DB.
I admit its been a long time since facing DB so maybe I’m not remembering correctly.
Doesn’t matter, either way though. Matches against either will not be fun and we’re likely going to face one of them pretty often.
And facing servers below us is not fun either. Its either steamroll or be steamrolled.
The only matchup likely to be anywhere near good is SBI/YB/IoJ. But what’s the chance of that happening? According to Ken’s probablilities: 0.76%
We really haven’t gotten stronger, we’re just back to our pre-tourney levels (maybe even slightly below.) Tons of people, including me, got bored out of our minds with the tourney and effectively stopped playing WvW.
There will once again be 4 T2 servers and FA and someone else will take turns annihilating IoJ and SBI.
By returning to FAs former strength they have gotten stronger as most other non-T1 servers have gotten weaker due to attrition.
As for the current state of servers… IMO looks like:
Tier 3 is looking like YB and DB with SBI/IoJ on the bubble as a Tier 3.5.
Then the rest.
Off season YB is a T3.5 – 4. When we faced IoJ after season, they had more folks than us but not by much, I would say T3 is DB/SBI and IoJ/YB on the bubble for T3.5 or T4.
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I play on ET and I think WvW is really fun. It’s just not optimally fun because we are stuck at the very bottom… This is bad for us because the fights (not just the match-ups) are super stale as there are really only a couple of WvW guilds amongst the lower servers. What this does as a result is make any guild thats relatively competitive want to leave ET because there are just no fights that they haven’t fought over and over.
What’s a bummer to me is the more I think about it, there are like 20+ things Anet could try that would really help. Some would be easy and some would not be as much but I would really appreciate something. Unfortunately its about to get a lot worse on ET but a lot of us are going to keep trying anyways.
I’ve heard this is the result of transfers, but it’s still not very fun.
If I can only play certain times of the day why should I be punished?
Isn’t the whole ideology behind not fixing the WvW population problem based on not wanting to punish players who play certain times?
What’s the difference?
I give all credit in the world to FA for their success, but it’s currently not even remotely fun given the current mechanics of WvW.
You want not fun?
Check out Henge of Denravi’s fall from the top - similar to FA’s last year - but FA learned their lesson and started buying guilds by the dozen.
We have had guilds leave, people very discouraged and players non-existent on a server that won Silver not even two weeks ago.
It’s after the season ends that there are serious issues in WvW - this kind of inequity is not fun and will turn players to the real world and other gaming events.
I hate sPvP and I don’t like PvE.
I do not watch TV.
I do not go to movies.
I socialize through social media - but only intellectually.
I do have a life but it’s very limited to what I can do - I am disabled.
This is my social outlet, my fun, my "brainstorming" fun and my only outlet that has people in it - I have no family like you sitting there snickering about some of us "complaining". Please imagine having no family to support you - ever.
Add to that the fact that I am filled with tumors and are in an enormous amount of pain 24/7 --- any outlet that gives one something constructive to do is a welcome relief.
I am sick, I am not stupid, this game is WvW, not PvP and the gaming world wants WvW and they are moving to other venues to find what Anet has but will not improve with or without our input, at all, -even after almost two years.
I’m sorry to hear that, and I feel your pain in being disgruntled with how WvW has become a transfer fair for servers to rise and fall.
It’s a kitten shame because they came pretty kitten close to a competitive scene but failed so hard to make the correct changed needed.
If they don’t make major changes in the next year I see the WvW community pretty much moving on to the next best thing.
Every single intelligent, critically thinking person would tend to agree with you.
It seems that Anet has not just forgotten about WvW, they have snubbed WvW so much that the next update has zip in it for us.
WvW is hurting - and it’s getting worse by the week.
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For sure there is a large drop in numbers across a range of servers. My server which got up to 12th is now struggling against the 16th ranked side and will continue to drop down the ranks. My old server slid from 18th to 24th.
To put another perspective on all this. The game is close to two years old. All online games suffer the same; people get tired of a game, lose interest & move on to other games.
More or less stopped playing after the third week of the latest season. My interest in world vs world died a natural death after 17 months of play. Same can be said for the pve side too.
People running around squawking that the sky is falling is kind-of self prophetic anyway. WvW numbers are very dependent on morale. When people lose, they quit.
When map chat is full of emos complaining about low turnouts, what happens? More people leave!
People running around squawking that the sky is falling is kind-of self prophetic anyway. WvW numbers are very dependent on morale. When people lose, they quit.
When map chat is full of emos complaining about low turnouts, what happens? More people leave!
You forgot the main one: when nothing is changed/improved/added/fixed, people quit.
ALL IS VAIN.
PvP modes are the “endgame” in every MMO.
Stop failing at PvE, start fixing PvP/WvW. Thank you.
People running around squawking that the sky is falling is kind-of self prophetic anyway. WvW numbers are very dependent on morale. When people lose, they quit.
When map chat is full of emos complaining about low turnouts, what happens? More people leave!
You forgot the main one: when nothing is changed/improved/added/fixed, people quit.
They do quit.
And the rest wait for a better game – hoping some gaming company will get it right AND listen to players.
See my earlier posting in this thread – I added to it after a year of waiting for “fixes” and “tickets” to be answered – most were closed without a single thing done but that’s Anet for you, their lack of customer service and broken processes will doom those who ahve a paycheck today or tomorrow to a few decades of what the rest of us are going through right now.
Oh well.
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