Guild Wars 2

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Currently in Tier 2 nobody plays anymore. On reset we had 0 queues on any maps. The tier is dead (see multiple other threads about why it’s dead).
Here’s the problem: Tier 2 will continue to be tier 2 because there is nothing that will change the rating. With the current matchup system tier 2 servers will continue to fight tier 2 servers and have artificially inflated ranks because there is no one to drag them down (see collapse of SoR).
People can hate on matchup variance as much as they want when matchups are complete blowouts, but when multiple servers are ranked higher than they should be, there is nothing else that will fix that besides matching them up against lower (actually more populated) servers.

Tier 2 can’t compete against Tier 1 and no one wants to play against Tier 2 in Tier 3, except for FA maybe.
I blame the PPT system.

Well isn’t that what you t2 servers wanted? A gvg tier without the t1 blobs?
Now that you got it you complain lol……..

Here’s your solution though: transfer.

Also, I believe the lack of queues is because the tournament just ended and it’s that time of the year….. your precious queues will be back, don’t worry

Deli.1302:

Well isn’t that what you t2 servers wanted? A gvg tier without the t1 blobs?
Now that you got it you complain lol……..

Actually they are missing FA, who tanked got pushed to silver by DB getting their rating inflated by SoR’s collapse. Wagonbrand doesn’t belong to the “T2 GvG heaven”.

Deli.1302:

Well isn’t that what you t2 servers wanted? A gvg tier without the t1 blobs?
Now that you got it you complain lol……..

Here’s your solution though: transfer.

Also, I believe the lack of queues is because the tournament just ended and it’s that time of the year….. your precious queues will be back, don’t worry

Here’s the thing: several serious wvw guilds quit/collapsed due to problems mentioned in other posts. This post has nothing to do with what “t2 wants.” And it has nothing to do with wanting queues. No one in any tier wants queues
The problem is that servers that don’t belong in tier 2 will continue to be in tier 2 because matchup system is flawed. That is the point.

Let’s just make SoS a T1.5 server: problem solved.

Solution: give plane tickets to all SoS oceanic players that take them to the USA with complimentary bag of peanuts and temporary room and board so their primary coverage is during NA like nearly every other NA server.

Quick Mouse.7635:

Mods this is NOT a matchup thread. Please read thoroughly before ignoring.

Currently in Tier 2 nobody plays anymore. On reset we had 0 queues on any maps. The tier is dead (see multiple other threads about why it’s dead).
Here’s the problem: Tier 2 will continue to be tier 2 because there is nothing that will change the rating. With the current matchup system tier 2 servers will continue to fight tier 2 servers and have artificially inflated ranks because there is no one to drag them down (see collapse of SoR).
People can hate on matchup variance as much as they want when matchups are complete blowouts, but when multiple servers are ranked higher than they should be, there is nothing else that will fix that besides matching them up against lower (actually more populated) servers.

FA (and other servers – most advertize right here in these forums for gosh sakes!) has effectively, with the buying of guilds and players, ruined WvW.

You want a wasteland? Check out the Silver “winner”.

Lost many guilds.

Lost many players.

PvE community toxically against trying after season ends.

2-10 players against 50+ – what a fun time for dedicated WvW players… //sarc off//

T2 is fine.

- Some people are taking a break
- Some log in less because game mode neglect
- Some have quit because game mode neglect
- Some log in less because of the latest ANet failure
- Some are on holiday
- Some are trying a newly released game (which is a normal occurrence)

Hopefully Wagonbrand will drop soon, and give us our old friend FA back.

Gvgvgvgvgvgvgvgvgvgvgvgvgvgvgvgvgvg

@Atheria, HoD was a free transfer band wagon server purely for #1 silver win. It was never going to last.

thaooo.5320:

T2 is fine.

- Some people are taking a break
- Some log in less because game mode neglect
- Some have quit because game mode neglect
- Some log in less because of the latest ANet failure
- Some are on holiday
- Some are trying a newly released game (which is a normal occurrence)

Hopefully Wagonbrand will drop soon, and give us our old friend FA back.

Gvgvgvgvgvgvgvgvgvgvgvgvgvgvgvgvgvg

@Atheria, HoD was a free transfer band wagon server purely for #1 silver win. It was never going to last.

Splitting up a winning team somehow doesn’t make logical sense to me, but then again I do think.

Those who left didn’t take advantage of the dedicated players who spent 12-16 hours a day making sure of the win.

They think they are going to find something “better” on another server where they are seen AGAIN as a bandwagon mover?

Get real. Please.

I moved from FA – I’d never move back – it was horrid, horrid, horrid. Now HoD is following in the same fall-apart pattern FA did after its win.

There was community on HoD that FA could never have – and now HoD doesn’t have it either.

Good job players.

And for those who thought that HoD had aspirations to go to a higher tier? Dream on – the core never wanted it anyway.

Woe oh woe is t2. Lol after being in t2 for however long, what were you expecting was going to happen when you guys transferred off fa to sos?

You may think w/e tier your on is special but it’s not, every tier lower experiences the same thing. One sever completely dominates one week, goes up a tier only to get kitten on then. The system works fine, this is the aftermath of people gaming the system by stacking servers to have 24/7 coverage as if it were a life or death situation rather then a simple video game.

If you want more even match ups, start a movement of transfers to balance population out…. Else wise I guess you could say put on sunglasses HOPE is fading ….. Yeaaaaaahhhhhhhh

The game has been neglected by the developers for too long so people are just taking a break until GW2 gets some permanent content added. Megaservers are the logical response to a population decline (most maps areas were totally empty).
WvW will never be balanced until they do like they did with EOTM and merge it all up, but then there are 1000 things to fix there.

WvW will never be able to be an eSport like GW1 GvG was.

Laughing at HoD bandwagoners crying.
Now, If only I could find those posts of HoD people months ago claiming HoD will be next Tier 1 server.

Look guys: ANet already setup the perfect solution for people that think their current (and forever identical ) match is stale: Server transfer

It has only advantages for everyone:

• you can freely choose the match you want
• ANet earns money to develop the game
• the gold-per gem exchange goes up, meaning less profit for gold-sellers, resulting in less of them

@Atheria

The people who transferred to HoD for a free win did so because of how the tournament rewards were structured.

After some FA guilds transferred into gold (for fights/GvG), other FA players thought:
“Why come 3rd or 4th in Silver when I can free transfer to HoD, join the band wagon, get the loot, and transfer back to FA after, reuniting the server once again?”

They were always going to transfer back to their home land. Think of it as a temporary working visa.

Hypothesis:
- Even if HoD “stuck together”, it would of been demolished in T2 by SOS and Mag, the server would split after being demoralized because band wagons are fragile by nature.

- That and HoD would have to adjust to how T2 operates, being a band wagon server, it wouldn’t adjust. The players from lower tiers would pretty much be like “wtf is this?” and leave.
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FA as a server knows what to expect in T2 and can enjoy/deal with what goes on there. (less siege more fight)

SFShinigami.2015:

Solution: give plane tickets to all SoS oceanic players that take them to the USA with complimentary bag of peanuts and temporary room and board so their primary coverage is during NA like nearly every other NA server.

This actually is the solution. Certain servers are too heavy in one time period for the tier they are playing. SoS – OCX, DB – Sea, IoJ, CD, more?

Either more people from NA and other time zones those servers lack need to transfer in – or people in those stacked time zones need to transfer out. That’s the only way you’re going to see anything approaching balance.

thaooo.5320:

Hypothesis:
- Even if HoD “stuck together”, it would of been demolished in T2 by SOS and Mag, the server would split after being demoralized because band wagons are fragile by nature.

- That and HoD would have to adjust to how T2 operates, being a band wagon server, it wouldn’t adjust. The players from lower tiers would pretty much be like “wtf is this?” and leave.
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FA as a server knows what to expect in T2 and can enjoy/deal with what goes on there. (less siege more fight)

Ohhh wow I thought the op denial was strong but kitten you take the carrot.

Lulz fa is a server that can hold it’s own in t2, but when faced with a bloated t6 server they got absolutely destroyed. Oh god this delusional top tier skill brings tears to my eyes.

Lol at that guy who left FA to bandwagon to HoD. FA gets the last laugh huh.

At the moment the current T2 servers are rightfully there. FA doesn’t have the coverage for T2 and HoD can’t even keep up with FA. You have only three courses of action:
1)Transfer to FA and help push them to T2 strength/numbers
2)Get the ocx/sea from either Mag or DB to leave
3)Wait for a T1 server to implode

Quick Mouse.7635

several serious wvw guilds quit/collapsed

I’ve heard/read about what you are talking about and my interpretation of it is that these guilds collapsed because they couldn’t roll over other guilds/pugs with ease anymore and had become inadequate in the gvg scene. There is such a thing as taking the game too seriously and these guilds met their demise because of it.

echo.2053:

thaooo.5320:

Hypothesis:
- Even if HoD “stuck together”, it would of been demolished in T2 by SOS and Mag, the server would split after being demoralized because band wagons are fragile by nature.

- That and HoD would have to adjust to how T2 operates, being a band wagon server, it wouldn’t adjust. The players from lower tiers would pretty much be like “wtf is this?” and leave.
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FA as a server knows what to expect in T2 and can enjoy/deal with what goes on there. (less siege more fight)

Ohhh wow I thought the op denial was strong but kitten you take the carrot.

Lulz fa is a server that can hold it’s own in t2, but when faced with a bloated t6 server they got absolutely destroyed. Oh god this delusional top tier skill brings tears to my eyes.

If it’s in one’s preference to not improve or be better, fine… don’t hinder others.
Besides, this thread is about the state of Tier 2.

echo.2053:

thaooo.5320:

Hypothesis:
- Even if HoD “stuck together”, it would of been demolished in T2 by SOS and Mag, the server would split after being demoralized because band wagons are fragile by nature.

- That and HoD would have to adjust to how T2 operates, being a band wagon server, it wouldn’t adjust. The players from lower tiers would pretty much be like “wtf is this?” and leave.
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FA as a server knows what to expect in T2 and can enjoy/deal with what goes on there. (less siege more fight)

Ohhh wow I thought the op denial was strong but kitten you take the carrot.

Lulz fa is a server that can hold it’s own in t2, but when faced with a bloated t6 server they got absolutely destroyed. Oh god this delusional top tier skill brings tears to my eyes.

Carrot accepted.

Let me help you understand why they “lost” (?) to a “bloated T6 server”.

1) ANet announced the rewards will be better for 1st place at the end.

2) ANet allowed free transfers to some servers (HoD being one)

3) When FA knew it was going to be stuck in Silver League because of SoR crash boosting DB rating:

3a) Some guilds transferred to SOS/Mag to stay in Gold League for GvG/fight scene.

3b) Some guilds/players transferred to HoD for easy #1st place rewards.

4) FA now has less players, and minus their strong GvG/zerg busting guilds.

5) HoD steamrolls the league because of the super free-transfer pug stacking blotting out the sun. (Many people from many servers free-transferred to HoD)

6) Season finishes, original FA players return to FA (Leaving gold, leaving HoD). The others that free-transferred to HoD for rewards went back to their original server too.

7) HoD-originals upset that the band wagon dispersed.

TL;DR

HoD beat FA during tournament because FA guilds transferred to Gold or HoD. HoD had super free-transfer blob from many servers combined. If you cannot see this logic, none of us can help you.

Halo.8976:

Let’s just make SoS a T1.5 server: problem solved.

That’s already been done.
T2 is boring since sos has coverage in everytime slot..they can fight well against t1 servers but ofc it’s a fairweather server. They have the population, but sos rather fight doors.

I’ll break it down even further for you echo because I’m bored.

This is directed at this quote of yours:

Lulz fa is a server that can hold it’s own in t2, but when faced with a bloated t6 server they got absolutely destroyed.

Read each line separately.

This is a chronological order of before season 2, during season 2, and after season 2.

1) …….. rewards …… better…….. 1st place…..

2) ….. Free Transfers…… HoD……

3) ……. FA ……. stuck …… Silver league……

3a) …… Some FA guilds …. transfer …… Gold league …. GvG/fights ….

3b) ……. Some FA guilds …. free-transfer …. HoD …..

3c) ….. FA …… has less players…. compared to before season 2 …….

3d) …….. Many non-FA players ……. free-transfer ……. HoD

4) ….. HoD ….. omniblob …..

5) …… FA …… deliberately depleted during season 2 …… means nothing that HoD ‘beat’ them

6) ….. Season finishes ….

7) …. HoD …. upset …… band wagon dispersed ……

And to reiterate:
If the HoD super pug blob came to T2 it would be wiped all day every day by SOS/Mag 20 man guild groups and then the band wagon would break anyway.

Lol stillll blaming db for tanking in to silver league… Again.

The rating of the beginning week prior to seasons:

Mag 1878
Fa 1873

When it comes down to the wire fa chokes
Gets super soaker salty and claims #‘s despite their season 1 performance as well as wiping any season 2 matchup that didn’t include hod.

Now fa gets some numbers back, suddenly tier higher skill lolololol

You actually have me curious how season 3 when your back again in silver league despite this tier 2 skill

Tier 2 has the same problem as tier 3 as tier 4, as tier 5 and so on

The differences as fa has been so nice to say is #’s

There’s problems with the structure of T1 and T2 that won’t be solved by anet, and can’t be solved by players.

If you’re unhappy with the situation, transfer to a lower tier where you can actually make a difference, and also have the opportunity to play against a variety of opponents because the random match roll chance is higher.

FA wants to go back to tier 2. This will probably bring out the teeth and fairweathers of SoS and Mags, but, ‘get busy living or get busy dying’.

If you want to QQ about it that’s your weekend man.

atheria.2837:

I moved from FA – I’d never move back – it was horrid, horrid, horrid.
There was community on HoD that FA could never have

Atheria never got involved in the FA community. Practically every post by this person includes some mention of how much they hate FA. Very toxic person.

Quick Mouse.7635:

Here’s the thing: several serious wvw guilds quit/collapsed due to problems mentioned in other posts.

I made posts pre-season on the unofficial forum that GvG guilds stacking onto a single tier was unhealthy for the GvG scene. Only a GvG game mode can provide a solution to what GvG guilds are looking for, not stacking into a single tier. In the meantime, there’s a GvG scene growing in T3 while the one in T2 is stagnating. If you want access to it, you gotta transfer.

All the more reason to abolish the Server vs Server idea and replace it with color vs color or faction vs faction. Then allow players to freely choose whatever color or faction then wan’t to play on when they log on. Anet loses money due to server transfers but could easily make it all back and then some by monetizing other things within WvW

The best part about it is, because there would have to be multiple instances of each map, those who wanted to specifically GvG could easily do so, even their own server, by simply moving to an un-populated map.

- No more stacking
- No more ques
- Even match-ups

Isn’t that what everyone wants? Or are most people still happy with the stale uneven match ups?

echo.2053:

You actually have me curious how season 3 when your back again in silver league despite this tier 2 skill

Tier 2 has the same problem as tier 3 as tier 4, as tier 5 and so on

The differences as fa has been so nice to say is #’s

Ya, I’m from SOS not FA.

Yes, you’re right T1 – T8 all have something in common, the top server in each tier has more population or coverage or both than the other 2. That’s what the server ranking is based off in GW2. That doesn’t mean it’s a problem in every tier.

If some Tiers are more PPT/score focused then they should 2v1 the top server in the tier, like what happened in T1 Gold. Complaining about one server winning all the time but not working together to dethrone them is where the PPT complaints stem from. Then population/coverage comparisons come into question.

NA T2 however is/was mostly happy not worrying about PPT and Score, opting for more fights and relaxed play, even if SOS has less NA but more other coverage in comparison to the other 2.

The PPT stress some other tiers suffer from is not an issue in T2.

SOS could start coming 6th and it wouldn’t matter, as long as it isn’t enough to drop to T3 siege wars, in which case we’d PPT focus and be right back up there.

As it stands currently, barring a T1 implosion, if a server T3 or lower (besides FA) wants to survive in T2, they are going to need to have T1 level numbers/coverage, or lots of small guilds that are fight oriented to match SOS/Maguuma, having only pug blobs will struggle to compete here, for the foreseeable future.

FA will be back in T2 soon and all will be whole again.

DeadlySynz,
Only a GvG mode, like having guild halls where guilds can have their own private battles, would really make sense. We already have the Obsidian Sanctum for that “unpopulated map” and griefers come sometimes and interfere. There’s also complaints between guilds sometimes when they think there are “adds” turning 15v15 into 17v15 for an unfair advantage. A GvG mode would allow guilds to prevent those sorts of things.

BTW, I can’t imagine how Anet loses money to server transfers.

Chaba.5410:

DeadlySynz,
Only a GvG mode, like having guild halls where guilds can have their own private battles, would really make sense. We already have the Obsidian Sanctum for that “unpopulated map” and griefers come sometimes and interfere. There’s also complaints between guilds sometimes when they think there are “adds” turning 15v15 into 17v15 for an unfair advantage. A GvG mode would allow guilds to prevent those sorts of things.

BTW, I can’t imagine how Anet loses money to server transfers.

He meant ANets revenue from transfers would be extinguished if WvW turned into Alliance v Alliance or Colour v Colour.

And I 100% agree on GW2 needing GvG or Guild Halls to organize game wide guild fights.

thaooo.5320:

The PPT stress some other tiers suffer from is not an issue in T2.

Unless there’s a WvWvW tournament coming up. Then T2 ramps up into hardcore PPT mode, except for FA. :p

Edit: Ah, yea they would lose money on server transfers, but they’d probably convert it to transfers between alliances. I don’t see how AvAvA would not get stale either. How does EU servers keep rating closer between tiers than NA?

Chaba.5410:

thaooo.5320:

The PPT stress some other tiers suffer from is not an issue in T2.

Unless there’s a WvWvW tournament coming up. Then T2 ramps up into hardcore PPT mode, except for FA. :p

I think we get scared of being booted to silver or something.. its strange.

As for EU, I can’t say for certain. My guess is the language specific servers play a big role, and they probably have less “off hours” coverage/players (NA/OCX/SEA). Where here we have all 4 time zones running about, as well as server stacking issues.

Oh wow the way you were defending fa’s honor had me fooled.

thaooo.5320:

Yes, you’re right kitten all have something in common, the top server in each tier has more population or coverage or both than the other 2. That’s what the server ranking is based off in GW2. That doesn’t mean it’s a problem in every tier.

And yet every tier below is an exact mirror of tier 2, tell more how they should care solely for this 1 tier. For GvG? Tell me more how its such a thriving scene. Yet here you are complaining about match staleness.

• SOS could start coming 6th and it wouldn’t matter, as long as it isn’t enough to drop to T3 siege wars, in which case we’d PPT focus and be right back up there. *

BWHAHAHAHAHA who are you trying to fool? The moment you stop producing ppt, people will leave you and youll lose your edge over the next server. Surprise!!! your viewed nothing more then a simple tool. This has been seen in Sor, Fa, etc.

Lol using T1 disgrace as reason to 2v1, I dont care one way or another about ppt but what purpose would that really serve? So next week you can face off with 2 even more populated/covered servers, something the T1 servers dont have to worry about. Bag of nasties.

echo.2053:

Oh wow the way you were defending fa’s honor had me fooled.

thaooo.5320:

Yes, you’re right kitten all have something in common, the top server in each tier has more population or coverage or both than the other 2. That’s what the server ranking is based off in GW2. That doesn’t mean it’s a problem in every tier.

And yet every tier below is an exact mirror of tier 2, tell more how they should care solely for this 1 tier. For GvG? Tell me more how its such a thriving scene. Yet here you are complaining about match staleness.

• SOS could start coming 6th and it wouldn’t matter, as long as it isn’t enough to drop to T3 siege wars, in which case we’d PPT focus and be right back up there. *

The moment you stop producing ppt, people will leave you and youll lose your edge over the next server. Surprise!!! This has been seen in Sor, Fa, etc.

Lol using T1 disgrace as reason to 2v1, I dont care one way or another about ppt but what purpose would that really serve? So next week you can face off with 2 even more populated/covered servers, something the T1 servers dont have to worry about. Bag of nasties.

Defending FA’s honour? No. Explaining what happened. Feel free to continue drawing false conclusions and meanings though.

Some senseless rambling I can’t understand or respond to.

I’ve never once “complained about match staleness”, because “match staleness” doesn’t exist.

People like you fail to realise that as soon as you match servers from random ranks together, the match ups are gigantic blow outs, and no one has fun.

“Yay match up variance!”.
5 days later.
“THIS ISNT FUN FOR ANYONE, GET RID OF VARIANCE!”

Rank 4 vs Rank 7 vs Rank 11, that’ll be a fun match for everyone involved. NOT.

And the rest is more senseless rambling that makes no sense.

Ps. FA will be in T2 again in 2-4 weeks.

Ya know with all these GvG craze going on in your tier, has anyone ever wondered the health of each server’s militias? Guilds come and go to greener pastures for its own health and well being. That is a fact, the militias however are the ones that will always be left behind.

This T2 “project” was bound to fail from the get go. :p A competitive WvW server needs a healthy balance of militias and guilds in order for it to be sustainable.

Maguuma’s Pugs have probably been the most consistent since release. The Pugs that are here want to be here for fights knowing that we will consistently “lose” at PPT and be outnumbered a lot of the time.

SoS an DBs pugs are very fairweather however.

Oh? mind explaining what happened during season 1? * gets popcorn dis should be gud*

Yes now that the carrot in front of hod’s face, now fa gains sudden skill. Fa is going to be that server that bounces back and forth between T2/T3

LOL it becomes senseless rambling that when it comes to the things that you don’t want to admit, that your a ppt machine at the mercy of the puggles. Remind me again what happened to sor and mag when they were only in it for the fights, i seem to have drawn a blank.

yeah the 2v1 part is a weird rant because Im confused as why you even brought that up. The put in better terms the T1 servers can 2v1 because they don’t have to worry about in a server with a larger population/better coverage.

k with that in mind hypothetically if mag and db/fa/whatever were to 2v1 sos, what purpose would that really serve? If they didn’t work together they wouldn’t be able to beat you, geeez that sounds like fun or better yet they would risk getting thrown into a T1 match up. Fa or DB or Mag vs 2 t1 servers— what do you think such outcome would be? Thats the same concept for each tier down.

Careful life outside protection of your population/coverage is a scurry place

Chaba.5410:

How does EU servers keep rating closer between tiers than NA?

Interesting question. It really boils down to the fact that EU guilds and players don’t care what rank and tier their server is. They are quite happy to drop down a tier or two. In NA, the majority of servers implode after dropping just one tier.

Other than the upper echelon of the gvg scene, eu guilds don’t take this game very seriously either. You win some. You lose some. kitten happens. Move on. In NA, if you lose a waypoint all hell breaks lose. Refer to the several “incidents” that happened in SoR.

So you don’t see things like stacking happen. No one wants to be the best. In fact there have only ever been three bandwagon servers in eu. Blacktide back in 2012, SFR in early 2013 and most recently Gandara.

And yea, the language specific servers help a lot. No matter how many guilds an international server has, it can’t beat the superior communication and organization of the french/german servers.

thaooo.5320:

Ps. FA will be in T2 again in 2-4 weeks.

What happens if they give us a timetable for season 3 in 2-4 weeks?

9 week tourney made the ratings gap big enough not to have silver/gold league crossover match-up this month.

xfer’d to t1. realized that was a mistake since roaming is “mini zerging”. know i see this. guess ill just stay in pvp and roam wvw when i can get at least the minimum of 6 people to “roam” with

Shrouded.6450:

This T2 “project” was bound to fail from the get go. :p

It hasn’t failed, and isn’t failing, and it is showing no signs of failing.

Shrouded.6450:

A competitive WvW server needs a healthy balance of militias and guilds in order for it to be sustainable.

SOS and Mag have both. Both servers militia are happy here. Can’t comment on post season FA for obvious reasons.

Before Season 1 when SOS got stuck with SBI and YB in T3 for a while, the entirety of SOS hated the T3 siege wars (Open field AC’s, camping towers with AC’s, SBI and YB rarely coming to fight). Entire server is much happier in T2.

Not relevant, but, back then YB were a fantastic defensive server, one of the best I’ve seen (if not the best), but their offensive capabilities let them down, they simply weren’t good at open field combat. Had YB received transfers of zerg busting guilds they would have been a force to be reckoned with in higher tiers. I have no idea what they’re like any more. SOS defence has always been garbage, we get ninja’d so often its not even funny.

Kigera.9584:

thaooo.5320:

Ps. FA will be in T2 again in 2-4 weeks.

What happens if they give us a timetable for season 3 in 2-4 weeks?

Depends on when the leagues are locked in.
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@Echo

Season 1? Here’s what I think happened.
- Only 5th and 6th spot were open for grabs in Gold.
- All of Maguuma wanted gold, and pushed hard for it.
- SOS/FA militia both wanted Silver for easy win.
- SOS/FA guilds both wanted Gold for fights.
- SOS OCX guilds kept the rating high, even with militia dropping off.
- FA militia dropped off, FA guilds couldn’t match SOS OCX guilds at scoring points.

Top 4 was BG JQ SoR and TC, only 2 of the 3 servers could make Gold. FA didn’t make it. One server was always going to miss out.

FA was also weaker around Season 1 time. Since then they’ve gained some SoR guilds amongst others, and correctly belong in T2 now.

All the SoR guilds are on TC and SoS, not FA.

echo.2053:

k with that in mind hypothetically if mag and db/fa/whatever were to 2v1 sos, what purpose would that really serve? If they didn’t work together they wouldn’t be able to beat you, geeez that sounds like fun or better yet they would risk getting thrown into a T1 match up. Fa or DB or Mag vs 2 t1 servers— what do you think such outcome would be? Thats the same concept for each tier down.

Careful life outside protection of your population/coverage is a scurry place

These hypothetical arguments are absurd.
Maybe you can ask YB to help you because these points are quite true but don’t apply to FA…

thaoo,

FA had a few guilds leave prior to season 1. Same thing happened pre-season 2.

Kigera.9584:

thaooo.5320:

Ps. FA will be in T2 again in 2-4 weeks.

What happens if they give us a timetable for season 3 in 2-4 weeks?

Ohhh oww we pulled a hammy, go on without us. we’ll catch up with you guys later

WvW is a dying game-mode because ANet’s lack of attention has left us in a state of perpetual stagnancy.

Maybe they’ll throw us a bone for Season 3, but I honestly doubt it.

thaooo.5320:

Long story short FA tanks for leagues but this time got outplayed by Anet – GG

Lulz Fa is the home base for the bandwagoners.

Yeah we all know YB would put out regardless what it was for, but why would I ask Yb?

Winner moves up, loser moves down solves this specific problem. I know their randomization code was meant to resolve this issue but T2 and T3 are too far apart. It also doesn’t help when there are clearly 4 top servers with one rotating down into significantly less populated servers.

IMO they should offer X amount of free transfers to perpetually losing servers each week in an effort to balance populations. The primary goal of ANet at this point should be mitigating population discrepancies.