Guild Wars 2

I’m doing a survey for my guild that’s taking a peek at T4 and I’d like YOUR opinion of your Tier. This would be Yak’s Bend, Maguuma, and Ehmry Bay.

I’m also curious as to how you rate your communication within your server as far as WvW goes and organization? Also, how bad are the zergs and does anyone actually defend and build things up?

We’re not looking for a winning server, but we’re not going down in Tier’s either. We’re looking for a server that can come through with communication and organizational skills in WvW. Thx for your time.

My opinons below….

Yaks Bend is a good Tier4 server having been in tier3 for the last 3 weeks without being smashed.

We have decent NA prime time coverage and good Oceanic coverage whilst not so good during European time zones.

Defence wise its kind of what we are known for. Our BL’s are always well defended with strong communication between Commanders and tons of siege built and manned.

Attack wise we are ok but that’s it.

To improve we need to work on defending our BL’s more thinly to free up more players to go on the offensive and like everyone else get a larger WvW population.

I do not think it possible to find a server more ogranized than Yak’s Bend.

They have a small population and are sitting where they are completely due to their communication and organization.

That is a double edged sword though. On Yak’s you will find yourself outnumbered every day as they constantly perform above their weight class.

Its not for everyone, but they are absolutely top tier as far as cross-guild communication and organization.

Awwww, you guys! Yo Desirz, when is FOO coming back? I miss diving into 20 with you and making them think twice about advancing. Can’t find another D/D ele on Yak’s to do that with.

Maguuma is where its at in that tier. They only lack coverage.

YB has great attitude and work together.

I would like to think we are better organised than the others, but that might not be true. Certainly it seems we have a better use of siege. The rest is a bit hard to say.

The YBers will follow orders and do what is asked of them. Most pick up supply and carry a couple rams and cats on them. Overall, a mature server.

If Foo hadn’t of left we’d still be in T3 and probably have made life miserable for TC. I miss them too.

Maguuma’s been in tier 4 since basically launch. We are tier 4. Small population, have to defend a lot. Good fun if that’s your bag.

etrigan.4213:

Maguuma is where its at in that tier. They only lack coverage.

Agreed and not just because we’re in the same guild, lol. The FA/Mag/DB fight may have been boring for the most part since FA owned everything during our primetime, but in the skirmishes we had with Maguuma, they were always doing interesting things. If any server should brag about their accomplishments with smaller numbers, it’s Maguuma.

Yak’s Bend has a similar population (or at least they did weeks ago) to Fort Aspenwood during NA primetime. The problem is that their population stops showing up after the weekend. I’m actually surprised they were not winning in the hours after reset in their current match. They only came back at night. Maybe they really do have a lower population now.

Welcome to Tier 4,
Where maguuma has ‘superior tactics but lack the numbers and deserve to win’, Where EBay are constantly getting double teemed and like to let everyone know about it, and where Yaks Bend are dipping their toes in and recovering after dropping down from Tier 3.

EBay are trihard forum warriors..

Maggies are fun loving grub killin’ mofoes…

Yakkies seem to be rather fun and pretty skilled.

Soooo Mag or YB imo

CD here and from my experience fighting against the three servers listed, I would recommend Yaks Bend.

Yaks Bend and Ehmry both have more mature players, and good strategies. Was enjoyable playing against them, win or lose.

I’ve got a guy on Mag checking them out for a week, might have a one or two more head over there and a couple to EB. Unfortunately during our logged in hours Yak’s is always full and untransferrable.

EBay has a decent server forum community, though it’s not strictly WvW-focused of course. It’s taken a long long time to get many EBay guilds agreeing to share voice comms though, and many individuals are still terrified at the prospect mainly because they got yelled at in a past life or something.

When you look past the egos and the whiners there’s a good core here. But personally I don’t expect us to survive in Tier 4 long term as we just don’t have the 24h coverage you need to stay there.

Grav.3568:

But personally I don’t expect us to survive in Tier 4 long term as we just don’t have the 24h coverage you need to stay there.

Your coverage isn’t any worse than Mags, and we’ve been here forever.

Arcadio.6875:

Yak’s Bend has a similar population (or at least they did weeks ago) to Fort Aspenwood during NA primetime. The problem is that their population stops showing up after the weekend. I’m actually surprised they were not winning in the hours after reset in their current match. They only came back at night. Maybe they really do have a lower population now.

Yak’s has never had FA’s population, it’s not even close now. If it seems like it, it’s because player for player we beat just about anyone. This week is the first I’ve fought Mag’s in a while, but based on this weekend, they out number us. Out numbered in tier 4, yet able to punch into tier 3. All in a day’s work.

Im interested in this as well. Ktith is an old DR resident, and a very good WvW player and strategist. My guild is looking for a change of pace from DR (bickering, widespread disorganization, roflzerging through objectives) but its important for our members to also have access to the other content of the game, dungeons, and a densely packed heart of the mists.

DR has grown stale to us, and while we’ll miss some of the guilds and alliances we’ve made over the past few months, we’re looking at something new a few tiers up.

ktith.6197:

I’ve got a guy on Mag checking them out for a week, might have a one or two more head over there and a couple to EB. Unfortunately during our logged in hours Yak’s is always full and untransferrable.

Yaks has more people than Mag for sure. We’ve played both.

Another option is to check out DB in Tier 5, they just need some more people really.

Tactics and tenacity are topnotch at both Mag and DB.

Of course if you wait a couple weeks us at FA will likely fall back to Tier 4.

Nut.4713:

Yak’s has never had FA’s population, it’s not even close now. If it seems like it, it’s because player for player we beat just about anyone. This week is the first I’ve fought Mag’s in a while, but based on this weekend, they out number us. Out numbered in tier 4, yet able to punch into tier 3. All in a day’s work.

During the FA/YB/ET fight, you guys easily had similar numbers for NA and outnumbered us during off peak. After we got off peak transfers, I’ll admit we outnumber you there. But on weekends, you continued to put out similar numbers to FA during primetime.

The funny thing is, after our week against Mag, we were shocked when fighting your server because you guys weren’t putting out good tactics like they were. You just had numbers. At least with GODS, almost all our skirmishes went our way (obviously when we outnumbered but also when numbers were even or we were slightly outnumbered). Only time we got wiped was when Yaks far outnumbered us. I know another FA guild had a similar experience too. The only thing Yaks really did better is defend what they have.

Note: This post isn’t meant to be an insult to Yaks though it may seem like it. I’m truly baffled by the statements that their people keep making that they are great players who are able to keep up while being outnumbered. In the four matches we were up against them, I never noticed this. In the most recent of the two matches we’ve had with Mag, they made more of an impression on me.

I must agree with my GODS brother again. Dragonbrand in Tier 5 is a great option as well.

The current makeup of T4 is about to be changed. If this week in T4 and T6 end up remotely similar to last week, Borlis Pass will be skipping T5 altogether and jumping into T4. It’s not guaranteed, but it looks pretty likely right now.

We know that a couple guilds just recently moved to Dragonbrand this week and are probably still in the process (from the Kaineng server). We actually got a semi-invite to join but turned it down. According to my guy last night, the guys on Maguuma gave a warm welcome and were of course asking some questions because they’d never been seen around before. Servers like BP are great to fight, we’ve got an awesome rivalry with the guild Krew from BP of which we have a dual respect for fighting back and forth with. The problem comes when your “large” guilds get told to not play in WvW because their “leaders” got roflstomped the first night from a huge population server like BP. It hasn’t been the worst experience ever, but this alliance here makes it very unfair to the rest of the population that may want to learn WvW and can’t because they give up before starting due to seeing the actions of what these guys have done to this server. We’ve been on AR for 6 weeks now and it was great to go there and teach a few things and learn some new stuff, but there’s only so much one can stand.

Like I said above, we’re not about winning or losing, we’re about tactics used, organization and how it’s used, and very communication heavy. Plus we like commanders that aren’t puppets.

Oh and Ender, sent ya a PM as a response, but awesome to see you guys here too. I heard about DR doing IT again and I don’t blame you.

As a person who transferred to several servers at launch, I have been quiet happy with YB since I transferred. We do have a well organized community that simply doesn’t give up and we have won matches outnumbered. I dont think I can add much about what has been said about us…FA continues to argue that we outnumbered them at one point and we have the same numbers, even though we lost one of our biggest guilds 3 weeks ago and kept it low profile. The funny part is our performance did not even change in tier 3; it’s like it gave our players more motivation to fight harder and always kept our scored near even with FA.

PS. Nut, I feel offended….I am pretty much the best D/D ele.

Nut.4713:

This week is the first I’ve fought Mag’s in a while, but based on this weekend, they out number us. Out numbered in tier 4, yet able to punch into tier 3. All in a day’s work.

Yaks has had a full online population 24/7 since our match up started. Mag hasn’t had a full total online population since the first week after launch.

I like this match up with you Yakkies, but you’re literally insane if you think you got less or equal numbers with Mag or even EBay.

Maguuma has a population that doesn’t have ambitions for upward movement. We log on because we enjoy to PvP, which means we regularly are 3rd on the weekend, then get 2nd or even 1st throughout the week because we just keep showing up. The public mumble is extremely active and most of the WvW population uses it, which means you’ll meet some cool people even if you’re guildless.

I don’t think any of the t4 servers are really striving to move up in ranks. I’d say try out Maguuma for a week and see if you like the community.

Rhyis.7058:

I like this match up with you Yakkies, but you’re literally insane if you think you got less or equal numbers with Mag or even EBay.

Definitely not insane. A large number of Yak’s Bend population is PvE oriented. Just because our server is full, it doesn’t mean all of them participate in WvW.

Every server has a large PvE population.

When you have more total members to draw from, even if a lower percentage of them join WvW you will more often than not still have the greater presence in WvW simply because of the higher total pop. It’s just basic stats.

Rhyis.7058:

Nut.4713:

This week is the first I’ve fought Mag’s in a while, but based on this weekend, they out number us. Out numbered in tier 4, yet able to punch into tier 3. All in a day’s work.

Yaks has had a full online population 24/7 since our match up started. Mag hasn’t had a full total online population since the first week after launch.

I like this match up with you Yakkies, but you’re literally insane if you think you got less or equal numbers with Mag or even EBay.

Did you just look at the server capacity tag? We’re talking WvW here.

Nut.4713:

Rhyis.7058:

Nut.4713:

This week is the first I’ve fought Mag’s in a while, but based on this weekend, they out number us. Out numbered in tier 4, yet able to punch into tier 3. All in a day’s work.

Yaks has had a full online population 24/7 since our match up started. Mag hasn’t had a full total online population since the first week after launch.

I like this match up with you Yakkies, but you’re literally insane if you think you got less or equal numbers with Mag or even EBay.

Did you just look at the server capacity tag? We’re talking WvW here.

So you’re saying Yak’s and Maguuma and statistical outliers on WvW participation? What reasoning do you have for this?

Going to try and make as much of a non-biased opinion as I can

In my opinion, I really like how tier 4 is sitting right now. If you’re looking to join up any of the servers in this tier, I’m sure you’d have a lot of fun on any of the three. In a non-biased opinion, as it seems maguuma and ehmry have some kind of bad blood going on that I wasn’t there for the start of. The forums is a different battlefield than the borderlands so if you can look past the chest thumping and whining from all the servers, yes all of us have our share of whiners and trolls, this match up looks to be pretty interesting.

In regards to communication, as a Mag I can tell you we have an open public mumble for everyone to use so that we can communicate much more efficiently. The mumble is split into red/blue/green borderlands and eternal so you communicate with only the people in your current borderlands. I don’t know about the other servers, but what ever they use, they have some pretty fast response times. At least the more organized guilds do. Some examples I’ve seen this from are Shadow Moon from Ehmry or KH from Crystal Desert and many others. As for Yak’s sorry guys, I’ve never fought you guys before so I don’t know your guilds yet but throughout this week I’m sure I’ll find out.

As for defending things we upgrade and capture, I think all servers have been doing a pretty good job at this, especially in home borderlands. This weekend, I believe that the main fight has switched to eternal battlegrounds as attempts at other borderlands get shut down after a supply camp or tower. I have seen large yak escorts and sieged up supply camps when any of the servers need to upgrade anything. Any of these servers I think would be fine for you if you enjoy a good fight.
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Now being baised as a Mag, I can say we love a good fight, win or lose. We have lots of experience being on the defensive, as we have grown custom to being outmanned. Holding Anzalias for three hours with all the walls and doors was pretty entertaining vs a full zerg. Ehmry has been putting up a great fight as well this week, which is surprising when we’ve grown used to seeing Ehmry’s big openers on Friday night, then participation goes down during the week. I think we all want this win this week don’t we haha. Its so nice to have room without Crystal Desert’s breathing down on us, no offense to Crystal. That oceanic presence is quite a beast.

Yak’s Bend is a little closer to Tier 3 so if you want to pop into Tier 3 every once in a while, that might be your place. Maguumans are eternally Tier 4 so we won’t be moving for a while. Looks like Ehmry is going to be our buddies here so I get to still use the nickname Ebay for them. Its too amazing to pass up. All in all, best way to find out is to hop on one of our servers and give it a try.

Arcadio.6875:

Nut.4713:

Yak’s has never had FA’s population, it’s not even close now. If it seems like it, it’s because player for player we beat just about anyone. This week is the first I’ve fought Mag’s in a while, but based on this weekend, they out number us. Out numbered in tier 4, yet able to punch into tier 3. All in a day’s work.

During the FA/YB/ET fight, you guys easily had similar numbers for NA and outnumbered us during off peak. After we got off peak transfers, I’ll admit we outnumber you there. But on weekends, you continued to put out similar numbers to FA during primetime.

The funny thing is, after our week against Mag, we were shocked when fighting your server because you guys weren’t putting out good tactics like they were. You just had numbers. At least with GODS, almost all our skirmishes went our way (obviously when we outnumbered but also when numbers were even or we were slightly outnumbered). Only time we got wiped was when Yaks far outnumbered us. I know another FA guild had a similar experience too. The only thing Yaks really did better is defend what they have.

Note: This post isn’t meant to be an insult to Yaks though it may seem like it. I’m truly baffled by the statements that their people keep making that they are great players who are able to keep up while being outnumbered. In the four matches we were up against them, I never noticed this. In the most recent of the two matches we’ve had with Mag, they made more of an impression on me.

Strange comments you make here. Even on reset day at best we can fill 2 maps and put a token presence on a third. That might last a couple hours a week just after reset. The rest of the week we can’t even fill 2 maps, it’s been this way for a while. Meanwhile we know FA is still able at times to put queues on all 4 maps during NA prime time. That’s not some small difference you can get confused about. I’m honestly baffled that you could fight us for 4 weeks and not have a general idea of relative numbers. Were just not noticing the persistent out manned buff on Yak’s?

Also a strange comment about GODS. I’ve been part of wiping the GODS zerg more times than I can count, and almost never with equal numbers.

Having queues on four maps happened once and that was on reset. We mostly have light queues on two maps during our primetime. Sometimes only EB has a queue. Also, GODS hasn’t done zerging for a while now. We split into smaller squads when we have higher numbers.

It’s clear to me now that you just like to exaggerate. Anyone listening to the Yaks claims that their players are better than those of other servers and they manage to match the strength of servers with higher populations should take those claims with a grain of salt. They have the numbers to fight Fort Aspenwood and they have the numbers to win in T4. Exaggerated claims are being made by those who want to inflate their own ego and also justify any losses.

Nut.4713:

Arcadio.6875:

Nut.4713:

Yak’s has never had FA’s population, it’s not even close now. If it seems like it, it’s because player for player we beat just about anyone. This week is the first I’ve fought Mag’s in a while, but based on this weekend, they out number us. Out numbered in tier 4, yet able to punch into tier 3. All in a day’s work.

During the FA/YB/ET fight, you guys easily had similar numbers for NA and outnumbered us during off peak. After we got off peak transfers, I’ll admit we outnumber you there. But on weekends, you continued to put out similar numbers to FA during primetime.

The funny thing is, after our week against Mag, we were shocked when fighting your server because you guys weren’t putting out good tactics like they were. You just had numbers. At least with GODS, almost all our skirmishes went our way (obviously when we outnumbered but also when numbers were even or we were slightly outnumbered). Only time we got wiped was when Yaks far outnumbered us. I know another FA guild had a similar experience too. The only thing Yaks really did better is defend what they have.

Note: This post isn’t meant to be an insult to Yaks though it may seem like it. I’m truly baffled by the statements that their people keep making that they are great players who are able to keep up while being outnumbered. In the four matches we were up against them, I never noticed this. In the most recent of the two matches we’ve had with Mag, they made more of an impression on me.

Strange comments you make here. Even on reset day at best we can fill 2 maps and put a token presence on a third. That might last a couple hours a week just after reset. The rest of the week we can’t even fill 2 maps, it’s been this way for a while. Meanwhile we know FA is still able at times to put queues on all 4 maps during NA prime time. That’s not some small difference you can get confused about. I’m honestly baffled that you could fight us for 4 weeks and not have a general idea of relative numbers. Were just not noticing the persistent out manned buff on Yak’s?

Also a strange comment about GODS. I’ve been part of wiping the GODS zerg more times than I can count, and almost never with equal numbers.

FA hasn’t had a 4 bl queue for ages, way before we reached tier 3 even during Friday rushes

Even the low end servers get queues on rematch nights, I think that’s a given or at the very least an expected part of what happens with the weekend crews.

LieutenantGoogle.7326:

FA hasn’t had a 4 bl queue for ages, way before we reached tier 3 even during Friday rushes

You did last week actually.

Arcadio.6875:

Having queues on four maps happened once and that was on reset. We mostly have light queues on two maps during our primetime. Sometimes only EB has a queue. Also, GODS hasn’t done zerging for a while now. We split into smaller squads when we have higher numbers.

It’s clear to me now that you just like to exaggerate. Anyone listening to the Yaks claims that their players are better than those of other servers and they manage to match the strength of servers with higher populations should take those claims with a grain of salt. They have the numbers to fight Fort Aspenwood and they have the numbers to win in T4. Exaggerated claims are being made by those who want to inflate their own ego and also justify any losses.

Exaggerate my kitten Light queues on 2 maps is what we do for an hour during peak time on a reset day, often not even then. Last week when FA had 4 maps queued, Yak’s had one map queued and out manned in a second. What you call typical is our maximum. It’s been over a month since we’ve even had a significant presence on a third map, forget about putting anyone on a fourth. This is a stupid argument. Head back to the match up threads from the past 3 weeks if you’re still confused.

Thanks for all of the replies this week thus far, we’ll know for sure either way by the time this next matchup comes up.

btw the EU T4 WvW Community is great, no drama, lots of back slapping and nice chats about the game and fights o/

Well isn’t this a silly little argument showing the great rivalry between Yak’s and FA. Point is Yak’s is full during EOH’s peak hours as he stated near the top of this thread, so even if that is 99.9% PVE point is his guild can’t join Yak’s so lets not drag this thread off topic into yet another argument between two heated, and usually greatly matched up servers. Hey FA can you do us a favor and take it to CD this week? Would love to get to fight against you in tier 3 again soon.

Ekove.4586:

As a person who transferred to several servers at launch, I have been quiet happy with YB since I transferred. We do have a well organized community that simply doesn’t give up and we have won matches outnumbered. I dont think I can add much about what has been said about us…FA continues to argue that we outnumbered them at one point and we have the same numbers, even though we lost one of our biggest guilds 3 weeks ago and kept it low profile. The funny part is our performance did not even change in tier 3; it’s like it gave our players more motivation to fight harder and always kept our scored near even with FA.

PS. Nut, I feel offended….I am pretty much the best D/D ele.

3 weeks ago we lost a big guild Foo to Blackgate. Some others followed suit. Since then I think FA has us beat in prime time. Especially during the week where our community is often at work. They think our Off Peak is better, maybe it is, but its close. We’ve lost players there too. TOG, for instance, has lost about 1/3 or more of our force to Planetside 2.

Such is life. We just have to keep getting better individually to make up for the losses.

Relentliss.2170:

Ekove.4586:

As a person who transferred to several servers at launch, I have been quiet happy with YB since I transferred. We do have a well organized community that simply doesn’t give up and we have won matches outnumbered. I dont think I can add much about what has been said about us…FA continues to argue that we outnumbered them at one point and we have the same numbers, even though we lost one of our biggest guilds 3 weeks ago and kept it low profile. The funny part is our performance did not even change in tier 3; it’s like it gave our players more motivation to fight harder and always kept our scored near even with FA.

PS. Nut, I feel offended….I am pretty much the best D/D ele.

3 weeks ago we lost a big guild Foo to Blackgate. Some others followed suit. Since then I think FA has us beat in prime time. Especially during the week where our community is often at work. They think our Off Peak is better, maybe it is, but its close. We’ve lost players there too. TOG, for instance, has lost about 1/3 or more of our force to Planetside 2.

Such is life. We just have to keep getting better individually to make up for the losses.

Yeah and we still fought as good…and FA is still makes the same claims about numbers they always have. I think it already says a lot about us losing that much of our population and just performing as good as we have, TC and FA didnt even notice we lost population.

We have made a decision and will be transitioning to the Maguuma server over the course of this week as we find the server open to move onto. Thanks again for all the feedback and a peering into the rivalry that exists here.

ktith.6197:

We have made a decision and will be transitioning to the Maguuma server over the course of this week as we find the server open to move onto. Thanks again for all the feedback and a peering into the rivalry that exists here.

Maguuma is a great choice. They are one of my favourite opponents.

From my experience playing against both Mag and Yaks I’d say Mag’s numbers are quite a bit lower than Yaks. However, Mag have some great (and sometimes weird) tactics and are almost like the gate keepers for tier 4.

wombat.6123:

Mag are almost like the gate keepers for tier 4.

Maguuma is the Gandalf of our generation.

I would vote Mag as well, just out of personal taste and seeing them as an opponent. DB is also a good choice. Both servers from my point of view only really need numbers.

well glad to have you, as a former t8 player, itll be weird seeing you as a friendly guild, but i guess not as weird as seeing noqq and larp from my old server on ehmry bay.

Thx for all the welcomes guys and it’ll be great working with old enemies. Looks like another DR guild will be head up to Mag as well and will be great working with old friends.

/bow

Yak’s is a displaced tier 3 with good night coverage but seem kinda “meh” during the day with a lot of mindless zerging. They are actually going to lose a bunch of rank points this week because while they are beating Maguuma and Ehmry, they are not beating them by that much.

Maguuma never seems to play smart. They have a lot of “hit and run” squads but no “capture and hold” squads that I ever seem to notice. They usually fight for 2nd place and leave the 1st place team largely untouched which is why they are stuck in tier 4. Goons + AoN, nuff said.

Ehmry is probably a tier 5 server that got bumped up after beating Hedge by like 300,000 points as they fell past. Ehmry does seem to be holding in Tier 4 though. They recently got some new guilds and seem to be hanging in there.

Next week will be a rematch between these three since Yak’s failure to bring in a resounding stomping means they are losing points and the other two are gaining.

Slamz.5376:

Yak’s is a displaced tier 3 with good night coverage but seem kinda “meh” during the day with a lot of mindless zerging. They are actually going to lose a bunch of rank points this week because while they are beating Maguuma and Ehmry, they are not beating them by that much.

Hmm, a lot of mindless zerging? seems like a vague accusation. We are actually a highly organized server and that’s why people always think we have more numbers than we do. We do have an organized zergs every now and then just like any other server…But a lot?

Slamz.5376:

Yak’s is a displaced tier 3 with good night coverage but seem kinda “meh” during the day with a lot of mindless zerging. They are actually going to lose a bunch of rank points this week because while they are beating Maguuma and Ehmry, they are not beating them by that much.

Maguuma never seems to play smart. They have a lot of “hit and run” squads but no “capture and hold” squads that I ever seem to notice. They usually fight for 2nd place and leave the 1st place team largely untouched which is why they are stuck in tier 4. Goons + AoN, nuff said.

Ehmry is probably a tier 5 server that got bumped up after beating Hedge by like 300,000 points as they fell past. Ehmry does seem to be holding in Tier 4 though. They recently got some new guilds and seem to be hanging in there.

Next week will be a rematch between these three since Yak’s failure to bring in a resounding stomping means they are losing points and the other two are gaining.

wow, Yak is far from mindless, they are coordinated and know this stuff unlike a certain server whom i won’t name, granted they have numbers sometimes, but during na we all have about equal pressence spread across all bl. Maybe maguuma doesn’t want to move to t3 where zerging is necessary to have any kind of fun? TC has massive populations as well as CD, unsure about FA but i hear they are very coordinated and i would actually like to see them in our tier for fun fights. So far EB and Mag is t4 material, YB and CD is T3.5 material as well as FA, or maybe TC is just 2.5. Also from the looks mag just attacks whoever they feel like it, because if we attacked CD all the time, we would never hear the end of your qq about us focus firing on you for days.