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Posted by: Sunspots.9861

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The t2 matchup is horribly skewed for a couple reasons. SBI is a ghost so this is essentially a 1v1 between the new tier 1 SoR and TC. This means that TC can no longer rely on any sort of third server diversions on SoR bl so people log in there, get farmed at first tower then log out. The Sbi bl is worse, because not only is there a large force of SoR, but the few remaining Sbi forces also attack us because frankly we are easier right now, so people log out there too.

Tcbl had almost a 2 hr q because its the only bl we get a spawn defensive boost, so I’m sure this then leads to all SoR wanting to go there, because there’s just more fighting. Then there’s eb, which again is a 1v1 with TC and SoR trying to split Sbi towers while SoR holds sm quite permanently.

I have to think this is pretty crappy for everyone involved, though the fighting on tcbl is still kind of fun, but only if you enjoy very little property turning and full out defense 24/7 from and endless stream of SoR with like 20 new tags.

I’m not bitter though, it is what it is, as we are prone to saying. It’s just very hard to say where TC is. We are still hugely populated for pve which is awesome, but the bulk of our militia is just doing other things that are more fun.

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Posted by: sostronk.8167

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BlackGate aren’t a certainty to stay in T1 atm. Ive noticed some of their tactics that are quite predictable and the counters are easier when you see them coming. Im not a commander, but I presume the commanders have noticed. Also they had a pretty good start to this week with us going to town on JQ. It wasn’t by choice but we kind of rolled over JQ early whilst allowing BG to take up some of our points. JQ has fought back pretty well to keep close to BG and respectively BG hasn’t done so well not to pull away from them. BG will need to make some changes to stay in T1. Notably their tactics.

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Posted by: Binafus.8153

Binafus.8153

JQ – Kain – SoR

Mark it down.

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Posted by: Sunspots.9861

Sunspots.9861

If SoS lost its way, which frankly could happen, there’s no real way to know who would fill that void because pretty much every guild would jump ship to some place else immediately…and yes, even with a gem cost. They could land anywhere and change the tier landscape drastically. Also, I really dont believe Kain continues being a beast at t4. They will probably bring in more with success, but the minute they don’t wipe the field with their opponents we will get to find out if they are actually there to grow a successfull server, or ride the wave. Kudos to them if they do make it to T1, but I have a hard time imagining any of the tiers will look the same the day Kain actually makes it to t1. Also, I edited to add, I think JQ is just enjoying a point boost from a Euro guild [RG] that came for a week to fight [HB]. I’m not sure they have the intention of sticking around though, so you can’t count on the extra points. I could be wrong though, so don’t quote me on that!

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Posted by: Liquid.9672

Liquid.9672

BG will need to make some changes to stay in T1. Notably their tactics.

I won’t disagree with you about tactics, but I would also argue every server can always improve in that regard. However, BG staying in T1 will still be all about 24/7 numbers, which BG lacks a bit against the two other competitors. It’s not a vast difference in coverage, but it’s there and in the end is the primary factor. Also, BG will likely get pushed out of T1 faster than they would have otherwise this time around, due to SBI losing much of it’s WvW force and TC just not having the coverage. SoR will capitalize on this, and gain rating faster than they would have otherwise. I’m not saying SoR wouldn’t get there, only that it will happen faster now.

Also, to my fellow BG guys, enough with the semantics. The SoR posters here are not saying that they are better than BG, only that they have stronger NA numbers, which is absolutely true, particularly during the EST time zone.

Regarding the rankings in a month, I really don’t have a clue. What I do see is SoS and JQ duking it out for 1 and 2, and BG and SoR swapping places as their red headed step child every few weeks or so. I see FA, DB, Mag and Kain moving up the ranks, CD and TC holding steady somewhere, and the rest moving down. It’ll settle in after a couple of weeks, only to be thrown off again by the February WvW update, which should create a surge in WvW interest for awhile. After that, it will be a battle of attrition.

Finally, don’t think that paid transfers will stop large shocks to the rankings. If a guild isn’t happy with their current situation and they’re still passionate about WvW, I have no doubt that many will pay to transfer. Especially since you can use gold to buy gems.

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Posted by: covenn.7165

covenn.7165

What I do see is SoS and JQ duking it out for 1 and 2, and BG and SoR swapping places as their red headed step child every few weeks or so.

For now I still see this as well. Though, that might change with what has been happening the past few days on SoR

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Posted by: Sunspots.9861

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Oh ya, and BG is tier 1 ready, the problem is SoR is killing the ratings because they are destroying SBI (4th) and TC (6th) at the same time. BG would have to overperform to stay in T1 and its just not happening with so many pick ups from JQ and SoS. What SoR does is anyone’s guess, but I will tell you right now, from a numbers/coverage perspective, they are better than BG was 2 weeks ago. I could really see them hitting T1 with a bang depending on where the fair weathers from BG land when they are forced to drop a tier, and ya, you know thats coming. BG/TC/FA is the most likely scenario for t2 in upcoming weeks.

T1 SoS SOR JQ
t2 BG TC FA
t3 Mag CD DB
t4 Kain DR YB
I don’t know enough about the rest to really comment.

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Posted by: Taras.4367

Taras.4367

Kain is a strange server. i cant way they will be in tier 1 or 2 until they show up at tier 4 where they will actually have to fight all the time. so we will see how they do.

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Posted by: Binafus.8153

Binafus.8153

Kain is a lower pop server with Ques on all four maps at reset this week, most servers can not say this even some of the Tier 1 servers.

Kain has a high WvW to PVE pop.

More people will move to them as they move up, any guild can move there without it taking a week to do.

Some guilds are going to be split up because of full servers, as it gets close to the 28th Kain will make sense to them.

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Posted by: Sunspots.9861

Sunspots.9861

Kain is a lower pop server with Ques on all four maps at reset this week, most servers can not say this even some of the Tier 1 servers.

Kain has a high WvW to PVE pop.

More people will move to them as they move up, any guild can move there without it taking a week to do.

Some guilds are going to be split up because of full servers, as it gets close to the 28th Kain will make sense to them.

Lol, every server T1 T2 and probably T3 is full queues on reset. Not counting SBI of course :p

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Posted by: Churros.7196

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I don’t know how SOR is in non NA time, but unless they can field a minimum of 2.5 maps worth of people at all times(i mean 24/7), they are going to find every single one of their keeps and towers reset daily in T1. This has nothing to do with skill, but thats how it will be.

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Posted by: covenn.7165

covenn.7165

I don’t know how SOR is in non NA time, but unless they can field a minimum of 2.5 maps worth of people at all times(i mean 24/7), they are going to find every single one of their keeps and towers reset daily in T1. This has nothing to do with skill, but thats how it will be.

We really dont know how we are right now either. We just had a serious influx of players from non NA hours. I do know that up until that point, we were used to losing every single thing while while NA slept/worked to BG for weeks on end. Nothing new to us really, the difference though is that it appears we will be able to at least make a fight of it this go around. Before it was just our doors trying to keep people out….

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Posted by: Lanthrudar.1437

Lanthrudar.1437

Just a thread to speculate on the new tiers after all the servers settle.
Tier 3: TC-FA-SBI

I would put SBI in tier 4 maybe even tier 5.

CD and DB will most likely be fighting over tier 3 each week, with FA and TC (Oh boy who can wait) duking it out every week for T3 victory.

I see this too. Except TC will have learned a bit more than we used to from our stint in T-2.. Might be interesting. We’re definitely getting a lot of experience handling zerg’s, and how to counter, deflect, and distract them, that’s for sure.

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Posted by: Hoots.9564

Hoots.9564

I don’t know how SOR is in non NA time, but unless they can field a minimum of 2.5 maps worth of people at all times(i mean 24/7), they are going to find every single one of their keeps and towers reset daily in T1. This has nothing to do with skill, but thats how it will be.

I’d agree but SoR is not afraid to take your fully upgraded towers and keeps each and every night, so whether we lose during off coverage times or not I can guarantee we will be out in force during our coverage brawling with whoever wants a fight. in the end that is really what WvW is all about atm

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Posted by: Ninein.4782

Ninein.4782

It looks like Maguuma is a 4 map queue at reset, 2 map queue during NA primetime and no queues during off hours. I think we’ll be bouncing between T3/T4.

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Posted by: yriafelc.6124

yriafelc.6124

What I do see is SoS and JQ duking it out for 1 and 2, and BG and SoR swapping places as their red headed step child every few weeks or so.

I agree, at least until 2 of the bubbling servers prove to be too good that whoever gets caught as the 4th server when things settle gets stuck in tier 2.

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Posted by: Predator.7321

Predator.7321

Haha that will be ironic WM on Kaineng crushing their former server, SBI

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Posted by: Truearrow.3527

Truearrow.3527

Just a thread to speculate on the new tiers after all the servers settle.

Tier 2: SoR-Mag-Kain

Not going to happen, I’m pretty sure our oceanic presence consists of one modest (very good) Aussie guild, unless we get oceanic transfers this will never happen. If we got a sizable amount of oceanic transfers I could see us bouncing between t2 and t3, maybe even better than that.

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Posted by: reQuiem.5986

reQuiem.5986

FA vs. Mag….who would win?

That should be interesting match-up..

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Posted by: LieutenantGoogle.7326

LieutenantGoogle.7326

I think
T1 BG, SoS and JQ
T2 SoR, CD and TC
T3 Kaineg, Magumma and FA

All it takes is 1 loss for most bandwagoners to give up.

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Posted by: morrolan.9608

morrolan.9608

Maguuma are now above CD and Dragonbrand

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Posted by: azizul.8469

azizul.8469

lol… the recent mass transfer mess up has screwed up our progression. i wonder why people would predict CD to be in Tier 3…. most likely Tier 4 or Tier 5 even….. we can’t even beat DB….

CD is full most of the time but most players are content PVEr….. unless these PVEr come out and play WvW, we won’t stay in Tier 3 for long…. honestly.

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Posted by: morrolan.9608

morrolan.9608

CD is looking like tier 4 most likely DB as well with Maguuma and Kaineng squeezing them out.

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Posted by: Pinko.2076

Pinko.2076

FA vs. Mag….who would win?

That should be interesting match-up..

FA should. They’re isle of FA now and our night crew is really, really small. If it’s NA based, probably FA again.

We might be a match in several months time, but our influx of transfers from t5 need some work. We also don’t know how hardy they are yet, because they’ve only been with us winning, and the core of Mag is used to losing for 16 hours of the day and fighting to come in 2nd. We might move up to t3 and suddenly be down 40% of our population because we need to start trying again.

t3 will be interesting in 2 weeks. The way I see it working, Mag moves up, FA gets a gigantic point lead from beating us because our glicko is way overinflated, and then FA will be in t2, SBI t3, kain T3, mag T3. It’s weird to think that t3 that’s been stable for so long with be 100% different so quickly.

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Posted by: kreese.9461

kreese.9461

Just a thread to speculate on the new tiers after all the servers settle.

Tier 1: SoS-BG-JQ
Tier 2: SoR-Mag-Kain
Tier 3: TC-FA-SBI
Tier 4: DB-YB-CD
Tier 5: DR-AR-EB
Tier 6: HoD-BP-NS
Tier 7: DH-GoM-IoJ
Tier 8: SF-FG-ET

well HoD would need a good number of transfers to leave T7 as we have THE LOWEST server population of any US server, we did get a good number of holiday new comers which has help us considerably – strangely our main issue is with low numbers during US primetime but we have two large off hour guilds which is the main reason we won last week

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Posted by: Dyroth.5063

Dyroth.5063

I think we are headed for a decently long period of the Big 4. SoR, SoS, JQ, and BG will be fighting for T1 wins constantly. Currently I see 1st place a battle between JQ and SoS, unless BG has some magic up their sleeves. T2 is going to be one of the worst tiers to be in I’m afraid as the current loser from T1 beats up on the other two servers, coverage alone will be a nightmare for T2 red and blue slots. I see TC holding onto T2 for awhile, they fight pretty well and don’t have a completely desolate server unless this current match up kills that. My knowledge is pretty limited outside of that.

The one server I really do want to watch is Kaineng. For lower tiers they are a power house and a half and I think man to man they will give one of the best fights out there. Issue is as they climb population will be an issue, even if most are WvW players the first real wall they hit can stop a climb if people get discouraged or put off by not a blowout. I will say I expect T3 or T4 out of them right now as from what I read the WM coverage will be a huge asset up until T2, since off hour coverage is smaller.

By the way great thread. A very good pre/post football game show feel with very little trolling. Though now that I say that I’m afraid it will be gone.

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Posted by: azizul.8469

azizul.8469

last i heard few SbI guild transferred over to Kaineng. is this true ? if it is then it is just the same zerg with different brand name….

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Posted by: fivekiller.1432

fivekiller.1432

Towards the end of their matches BG was consistently pulling higher PPT in NA than SOR and today there is no telling who has the stronger NA team)

Consistently is a large stretch there. Every night when I logged out, we were well ahead in PPT during prime time NA hours. The only except seemed to be reset night where everything is a mad scramble and that kept bouncing back and forth.

Anyways, why are you trolling? You are just going to get the thread locked.

why are you accusing me of trolling? you obviously misunderstood my point. my main points being i disagree that SOR has a greater NA team than BG and that SOR is primed to be a competitor in T1.

I think they are probably the 4th or 5th most powerful server at this time.

Trolling has nothing to do with this. The thread is about what servers belong where and those are my opinions. You’re obviously free to make a baseless claim that “SOR has a better pime time” any time you want. The fact of the matter is though unless you have any evidence its just a baseless claim and speculation, which is fine as this is a speculation thread.

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Posted by: Dyroth.5063

Dyroth.5063

last i heard few SbI guild transferred over to Kaineng. is this true ? if it is then it is just the same zerg with different brand name….

Some did, but as far as I know most went JQ and SoR. So it’s not like Kaineng is SBI 2.0.

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Posted by: akanibbles.6237

akanibbles.6237

Many guilds left SBI for SoR, a few went to JQ and some to Kaineng.

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Posted by: Riddickk.7091

Riddickk.7091

Towards the end of their matches BG was consistently pulling higher PPT in NA than SOR and today there is no telling who has the stronger NA team)

Consistently is a large stretch there. Every night when I logged out, we were well ahead in PPT during prime time NA hours. The only except seemed to be reset night where everything is a mad scramble and that kept bouncing back and forth.

Anyways, why are you trolling? You are just going to get the thread locked.

why are you accusing me of trolling? you obviously misunderstood my point. my main points being i disagree that SOR has a greater NA team than BG and that SOR is primed to be a competitor in T1.

I think they are probably the 4th or 5th most powerful server at this time.

Trolling has nothing to do with this. The thread is about what servers belong where and those are my opinions. You’re obviously free to make a baseless claim that “SOR has a better pime time” any time you want. The fact of the matter is though unless you have any evidence its just a baseless claim and speculation, which is fine as this is a speculation thread.

In my Opinion SoR had a greater NA team than BG when they played IOJ. their PPT was consistantly higher during that time slot. BG, however, had better overall coverage.

With the addition of a few guilds to finish out their NA presence and fill up their weaker time slots, I think SoR is poised to do much better than it has in the past.
The real test will be when SoR does get it’s shot at T1; that they belong there. If not, BG will likely take that slot back and SoR will just have to get better.

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Posted by: Shaojack.3871

Shaojack.3871

I don’t know how SOR is in non NA time, but unless they can field a minimum of 2.5 maps worth of people at all times(i mean 24/7), they are going to find every single one of their keeps and towers reset daily in T1. This has nothing to do with skill, but thats how it will be.

Nothing new to us really, so we gotta pull our corner back every day.
Sounds like what we dealt with for two months, we fought with SoS and BG with little to no Oceanics or EU population.

We learned how to deal with these situations….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SeVpY8Pxx4

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Posted by: fivekiller.1432

fivekiller.1432

In my Opinion SoR had a greater NA team than BG when they played IOJ. their PPT was consistantly higher during that time slot. BG, however, had better overall coverage.

i can agree with that.

but things have changed on each server since that day. BG has increased their NA quality a great deal.. and since the IOJ matchups they’ve even gotten a SOR guild or two. not to mention what they’ve picked up this past week.

i would very much like to see a BG/SOR matchup in these modern times.

unfortunately, it looks like this matchup is a long way off. the only possibility i see is if kaening actually pushes to T1. this will be a very hard push for them if SOR is actually T1 capable.

We know BG is competitive in T1 (maybe not winning overall score but they aren’t losing rating either), IF SOR actually is competitive in T1 as well then kaening would have to punch their way through T2 fighting a T1 capable server… not an easy feat! its hard enough to break from T2 into T1 when you outmatch your opponents by a large margin (as evidenced by the BG/SOR/TC/IOJ matches, and now the SOR/TC/SBI matches).

only then would we see a SOR/BG rematch.

or something absolutely crazy could happen out of nowhere that none of us expect :P

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