Guild Wars 2

I agree with you but giving ideas to A-net is like trying to push a ping pong ball through a brick wall, though they will deny it every time. Your time would be better spent somewhere else I’m afraid.

They already said they won’t do this. They increased the amount WXP you get so you can rank up faster, they added liquid WXP to rank chest (though the drop rate is garbage, I got one in 40 ranks) also they said they will add a way to buy liquid WXP with (i think) badges. I don’t think that last part is 100% confirmed though.

The problem is that Anet views WXP as a proper character advancement system.

Does any in WvW actually share this view? Most people just see it as some siege-buffing perks.

Increasing the amount of Wexp you get doesn’t help alts, it means they will be even further behind in ranks.

Already enough things to buy for people with alts with badges- having to use them to buy ranks would just mean people without alts can increase the difference between their toon and my 8 even more.

Every idea they have come up with so far is anti-alt, including time gated account bound materials for ascended weapons and armors.

Wont happen, they stated it many times. Reasoning? None.

Thrumdi.9216:

The problem is that Anet views WXP as a proper character advancement system.

Does any in WvW actually share this view? Most people just see it as some siege-buffing perks.

This is wrong, it assumes they think. They said the same crap about karma and they back peddled on that. If they had done the ranks right they would be account wide, right now it is simply to soon for them to admit they screwed up again.

Bailey.6892:

Thrumdi.9216:

The problem is that Anet views WXP as a proper character advancement system.

Does any in WvW actually share this view? Most people just see it as some siege-buffing perks.

This is wrong, it assumes they think. They said the same crap about karma and they back peddled on that. If they had done the ranks right they would be account wide, right now it is simply to soon for them to admit they screwed up again.

karma can be used to buy a gear crafting mats and strait up gold threw orrian jewelery boxes…what exactly can you buy with wexp again? they wont do it like karma because it is nothing like karma its more like exp and exp isnt shared between toons so why in the world would you think just because there is a w in front of exp that it would be shared…its ment to be a character progression you know..just like…exp

Charak.9761:

The game is to alt unfriendly, I would like to be able to swap between different classes w/o being punished for having no rank levels on an alt.

Wouldn’t this promote activate strategies, where a lack of class roles can be filled, more mesmars/thieves/guardians where needed?

WvW ranks should be equal to all toons on an account, each can play different roles with the rank points… This will great incentive for the upcoming WvWvW season start.

Yes, they should do this. A lot of people have been asking for it for a while now. So far they have said no, and given very unconvincing reasons for why not.

The current system heavily discourages playing alts. It’s also a lot harder/longer to level up an alt on low ranked servers who don’t field 24/7 wxp/karma trains.

It definitely should be account bound. It sucks if you decide you want to play another character. I forget what my rank was on my ele, but I got pretty kitten high. But after they nerfed that class into an unplayable mess I switched to my warrior and now have to grind to get all the crap I had before. What happens if they nerf warrior into crap and i’m forced to reroll again? Then i’ll have to grid all that wxp AGAIN and be even further behind everyone else than I already am.

When I can cap WxP levels in 80-100 hours of game play THEN it will be like character levels. Right now it takes a typical player over a thousand hours to cap WxP levels on ONE toon. That is Silver Legend territory.

I support account bound ranks too, but as others have said it’s probably not going to happen.

Zikory.6871:

They already said they won’t do this. They increased the amount WXP you get so you can rank up faster, they added liquid WXP to rank chest (though the drop rate is garbage, I got one in 40 ranks) also they said they will add a way to buy liquid WXP with (i think) badges. I don’t think that last part is 100% confirmed though.

This is all just lip service and doesn’t come anywhere near close enough to compensate for not being account bound.

They said they would introduce liquid karma to help people like me who play 2+ toons, strange thing is that I just got 2 boost since, I made like 10 ranks with the ranger and 6/7 ranks with the ele, that doesn’t help much!

Each rank up with the main toon should give 100% chance to receive a wxp boost for your next rank with the second toon ( not quit sure if its understandable ), this would help a little Anet

Liquid karma does the exact opposite to what they advertised it would do- and it’s so rare as to be insignificant anyway.

Liquid karma helps mains level their rank, so it does nothing to address the widening gap between one toon players and multiple toon players.

This horse is dead. Please stop flogging it.

I think allowing people to have account bound ranks would make it far too easy to specialize their alts in many tasks. You could even go so far as to delete and recreate an alt on demand depending on the situation.

The solution is to make the WvW rank, AND the unlocks account bound.

I like the idea, but it’s not going to happen. They want each character to progress separately. this means that you WvW ranks are going to be individual for the forseeable future.

Pick whichever character you like the best and go with that. Forget about alts. This isn’t that game anymore.

This or faster points do it anet.

tom.7468:

This or faster points do it anet.

kingcragus.6810:

This horse is dead. Please stop flogging it.

That’s not how politics works. If you tell someone to do something once and then drop it, they’ll figure that you weren’t really that bothered by it and not do it. If you keep pestering them, they’ll figure it’s important and do something. This horse needs to be reduced to its base elements by repeated blunt trauma, because it’s a huge deterrent to more than a few people who want to invest their time in WvW.

I actually like it that they are character bound. Makes my character feel special and not just some tool to level my account.

I could see the WXP being account wide, but the specific WvW skills being character specific. I.E. you earn a core amount of WXP, but can allocate it per character.

I agree that it isnt particularly friendly to those with alts, but I think there are bigger issues that discourage alts. Not only that, but they discourage build/theorycrafting. Thats my biggest frustration with the game right now. If I want to try a completely different build with ascended gear, we are talking about a good amount of resources. I have also tried just working with exotics, but as a WvW player solely that does not run in big zergs, I do not earn much money. So, then I downgraded to rares and masterworks to try out different builds. However, they do not give a true idea of how well the build works against characters that are most likely much better geared.

The introduction of even more time gated gear will only exacerbate this problem, but it seems the direction the game is heading has no regard for those of us who greatly enjoy constantly changing builds and trying new things.

The WXP is only a piece of the bigger picture where altaholics and theorycrafters are actively discouraged.

I’d really appreciate a change like this. I have 8 professions on level 80 and equipped them for wvw. But I’m still not sure to which class i want to stick for wvw. So I have 8 toons with wvw ranks above 20.
I really hoped you make wvw things account bound in a game where everything else is account bound.

They said they’re not going to do it, even though I never saw an explanation why. But then again, why is a commander tag , something that is 100 gold a pop, character bound? Why are party sizes in WvWvW limited to 5 players? I could go on.

The game isn’t just unfriendly to alts, it’s becoming unfriendly to players period.

The explanation is that they want each character to have a unique progression path.
It doesn’t make sense to me either, but that’s what they said.

The commander tag is because they want people to start to identify with good commanders. If you change from Commander XoraxLorax to Commander Fuzzybritches how will anyone know it’s you.

5 character parties is a holdover from dungeons. They did, at least, make squads.

Alternatively you could say the reasons are avarice, greed, and sloth (respectively). But, while I disagree with most of these decisions, I prefer to look at it more positively.

gennyt.3428:

They said they’re not going to do it, even though I never saw an explanation why. But then again, why is a commander tag , something that is 100 gold a pop, character bound? Why are party sizes in WvWvW limited to 5 players? I could go on.

The game isn’t just unfriendly to alts, it’s becoming unfriendly to players period.

Haha, player-unfriendly. How true!

5 man party limit (and other system like 5-man AoE limit) come from balancing the game around sPvP.

GW2 launched with high hopes that sPvP would become a breakout e-sport (since cruelly dashed).

They have already said that they have no intention of doing this. They would prefer to address the issue by making it easier to get ranks.

timidobserver.7925:

They have already said that they have no intention of doing this. They would prefer to address the issue by making it easier to get ranks.

As some of us said above this ‘solution’ is anything but.

TooBz.3065:

The explanation is that they want each character to have a unique progression path.
It doesn’t make sense to me either, but that’s what they said.

A suggestion has been made that would keep this and thats have points account bound but have characters individually choose how the points are allocated.

kingcragus.6810:

This horse is dead. Please stop flogging it.

This horse should be continually resurrected and beaten to death until they change it.

Blix.8021:

kingcragus.6810:

This horse is dead. Please stop flogging it.

This horse should be continually resurrected and beaten to death until they change it.

This is a thread Necros should keep raising until the devs give into it by attrition.

TooBz.3065:

The explanation is that they want each character to have a unique progression path.
It doesn’t make sense to me either, but that’s what they said.

The commander tag is because they want people to start to identify with good commanders. If you change from Commander XoraxLorax to Commander Fuzzybritches how will anyone know it’s you.

5 character parties is a holdover from dungeons. They did, at least, make squads.

Alternatively you could say the reasons are avarice, greed, and sloth (respectively). But, while I disagree with most of these decisions, I prefer to look at it more positively.

I hear what you’re saying about the commander tags but look at it this way, every commander was new at some point, people had to take a chance and follow that commander for him/her to develop a rep, good or bad. So it’s not really excusing someone having to drop yet another 100g when they’re the same driver just using a different skin. I can’t think of a good reason why it’s like this. And the squad system is weak(not 100g worth of features imo).

I do think Wxp should be account bound but have the skills be character bound. I thought I was done leveling at 80 but evidently not. They keep adding more hoops for players to jump through, and I find it annoying.

For this I side with Anet.
Rank 100 on a Warrior is NOT the same thing as rank 100 on a necro

Monsoon.2589:

For this I side with Anet.
Rank 100 on a Warrior is NOT the same thing as rank 100 on a necro

How does this even make sense? Do you believe rank is a reflection of player skill? o.O

The rank is a carrot and it’s per character limitation is an unnecessary burden for those with alts. The reasons given as to why we can’t just make it account bound are dubious at best.

gennyt.3428:

Monsoon.2589:

For this I side with Anet.
Rank 100 on a Warrior is NOT the same thing as rank 100 on a necro

How does this even make sense? Do you believe rank is a reflection of player skill? o.O

Simply because if you play a mesmer or necro to 100 in wvw it is very very different from playing a warrior to 100 and the ranks show this otherwise you are only asking for another global wvw meter.

This is specifically made so that you focus on one toon instead of constantly jumping. I myself would like to have the ranks shared but I also want to know how much I have played my individual classes. At the moment I am focusing on my warrior and I like that all my points go to her.

I think you are asking for too easy mode with this one because you can t make up your mind of what class you like to play and I understand that but I also understand what Anet is doing and I agree with them as this makes the game more interesting in the sense that is doesn t shink the time it takes to get to a certain rank.

Now with this said it is obviously impossible to reach rank 10.000 with alts…maybe those ranks need to be adjusted because I feel that rank grind is indeed too long

timidobserver.7925:

They have already said that they have no intention of doing this. They would prefer to address the issue by making it easier to get ranks.

unless they have a better solution so alts only have to get 1 wxp to level till they catch up to the total but with no chest then that faster wxp solution sucks compared to account bound ranks.

They should have been account bound from the start. Character bound means people will play one class the most, so they’ll get bored faster and leave the game faster.

Anet really need to focus on fixing and improving WvW if they want those players to stay. They’ve probably already driven off 40% of WvW players by ignoring our complaints and suggestions for over a year now!

Omaris Mortuus Est.2738:

They should have been account bound from the start. Character bound means people will play one class the most, so they’ll get bored faster and leave the game faster.

Anet really need to focus on fixing and improving WvW if they want those players to stay. They’ve probably already driven off 40% of WvW players by ignoring our complaints and suggestions for over a year now!

This. Both points.

Right now, you’re really pressured into playing only your main. This is especially true if you’re a roamer or fight in smallish groups because you really need the Guard Leech and/or Applied Fortitude buffs to be competitive (IMO they were one of the worst additions to the game).

As for focusing on WvW — Anet won’t do this until they give up on sPvP. They see WvW merely as a funnel to move players from PvE towards sPvP, which is really foolish because WvW is what players want to play.

To (mis)quote Kanye West: “Anet does not care about WvW.” And it really shows.

Terok.7315:

The rank is a carrot and it’s per character limitation is an unnecessary burden for those with alts. The reasons given as to why we can’t just make it account bound are dubious at best.

just because you dont like the reason does not mean that its not a valid reason…its character progression(notice character not account)….i swear the next thing you all will be complain about its having to actually lvl your alts to lvl 80 and the funniest part about that is it you can use the exact same reasoning behind it…its not alt friendly that i have to lvl my alts..its not alt friendly that i have to gear my alts bla bla bla….really get over it..its ment to be something to work for on your toons and yes i do have 4 different toons i use for wvw alone so i know how it all works and am happy with it

Mooodster.3470:

just because you dont like the reason does not mean that its not a valid reason…its character progression(notice character not account)…

1. Character progression is invalid in PvP.
2. The way the system has been set up is not even a progression system, it should be more oriented around roles.

Mooodster.3470:

Terok.7315:

The rank is a carrot and it’s per character limitation is an unnecessary burden for those with alts. The reasons given as to why we can’t just make it account bound are dubious at best.

just because you dont like the reason does not mean that its not a valid reason…its character progression(notice character not account)….i swear the next thing you all will be complain about its having to actually lvl your alts to lvl 80 and the funniest part about that is it you can use the exact same reasoning behind it…its not alt friendly that i have to lvl my alts..its not alt friendly that i have to gear my alts bla bla bla….really get over it..its ment to be something to work for on your toons and yes i do have 4 different toons i use for wvw alone so i know how it all works and am happy with it

There are people like me who play support class when running with guild, try to get at rank 115 with a healer/buffer lol.
And hey I didn’t know I could get to lvl 1000 with my toons, after 80 you earn only skill points I think, wvw rank is a vertical and costant progression untill rank 1000, the two things can’t be compared.

And I’ve already worked hard for my toons, more than it should be, I enjoy the game without grinding my selft to death.

Monsoon.2589:

This is specifically made so that you focus on one toon instead of constantly jumping. I myself would like to have the ranks shared but I also want to know how much I have played my individual classes. At the moment I am focusing on my warrior and I like that all my points go to her.

I think you are asking for too easy mode with this one because you can t make up your mind of what class you like to play and I understand that but I also understand what Anet is doing and I agree with them as this makes the game more interesting in the sense that is doesn t shink the time it takes to get to a certain rank.

Why does there need to be some mechanic to enforce a single character? You’re acting like enjoying more than a single profession is a bad thing. I don’t see how not being forced into thousands of hours of leveling per character is an “easy mode”. There is no reason for this other than the mistaken idea that a power-progression grind will keep us playing WvW longer. If anything, the imbalance and favoritism towards single character players is going to drive people away from it, or cause them to get bored of being forced to play the same character every time.

i swear the next thing you all will be complain about its having to actually lvl your alts to lvl 80 and the funniest part about that is it you can use the exact same reasoning behind it…its not alt friendly that i have to lvl my alts..its not alt friendly that i have to gear my alts bla bla bla….really get over it..its ment to be something to work for on your toons

It takes 80-100 hours to get to level 80 just by playing the game, and a lot less if you utilize crafting to gain levels. Even using birthday boosts (if avaialable) or WXP boosters (unrealistically expensive) along with a WXP zerg train, you are still looking at hundreds of hours just to get to the rank where you can unlock all abilities. With more typical WvW play, that is likely into the 1000 hour+ range. There is no comparison between that, and the short time it takes to get to level 80.

This is a lesson Anet already learned years ago in GW1. Many of the character based titles (some of which had skills or other passive effects linked to them) were made account based, because they strongly discouraged alts and presented too much grind for those with alts. They seemed to have forgotten this, and many other, lessons from GW1.

Dagraan.2854:

timidobserver.7925:

They have already said that they have no intention of doing this. They would prefer to address the issue by making it easier to get ranks.

unless they have a better solution so alts only have to get 1 wxp to level till they catch up to the total but with no chest then that faster wxp solution sucks compared to account bound ranks.

The point being, it is pointless to waste time making a suggestion after they have said that it is completely the opposite of what they want to do. It would be better to think of other solutions instead of suggesting one that has already been shot down.

timidobserver.7925:

The point being, it is pointless to waste time making a suggestion after they have said that it is completely the opposite of what they want to do. It would be better to think of other solutions instead of suggesting one that has already been shot down.

I don’t even know what they do want to do. What they’ve said (“we want individual characters to have different skill sets”) does not make any sense at all without an exponentially scaling XP requirement per level.

At the moment, the best and most efficient way to fill multiple roles is to get your main character up by a million levels, not get all of your other characters up simultaneously. At best, splitting up your levels will give negligible returns, and in exchange, it encourages people to only play one character- which results in people actively staying out of WvW on anything other than their main, which cannot be anything but a bad thing for everything other than the T1 servers.

timidobserver.7925:

Dagraan.2854:

timidobserver.7925:

They have already said that they have no intention of doing this. They would prefer to address the issue by making it easier to get ranks.

unless they have a better solution so alts only have to get 1 wxp to level till they catch up to the total but with no chest then that faster wxp solution sucks compared to account bound ranks.

The point being, it is pointless to waste time making a suggestion after they have said that it is completely the opposite of what they want to do. It would be better to think of other solutions instead of suggesting one that has already been shot down.

If enough people agree that it needs to be account based, then that’s how it needs to be. Anet might want to do it their way in the hopes of bending us to their will, but they also have to keep us happy with the game to keep us playing it. Try to push your agenda too hard, and you’ll only push your players away from the game.

I stopped doing WvW shortly after the ranks were added, but recently started doing it again, occasionally. The changes to WXP earnings are an improvement, but they are not enough. I don’t have the interest in WvW that I did before ranks were added, and I doubt I ever will. Making the ranks account based would improve that a lot. The only downside would be the constant additions to abilities, but that is much easier to accept with account based ranks.

As things are right now, when I get tired of playing my ranger, I’m likely done with WvW. I figured out last time I walked away from WvW that it was a major part of why I kept playing GW2, and returning to WvW kept me playing. If I walk away from WvW again, I’m not going to stay around in the game for long after.

Next week brings more abilities, with more ranks that 7 characters are behind in, and this new Bloolust mechanic. A couple weeks after that, WvW Season 1 will bring down the wrath of tier 1 servers on my server, or put my server into boring matchups where we rampage over much lower ranked servers every week. These are all things that have seen strong opposition from the community, yet are still coming. If they don’t want to listen to us now, maybe they’ll listen when they realize they’ve driven us away from the game.

I know this is my opinion, and how I feel about this. But I also know I’m not alone.

Anet wake up before u lost many Players. It gives no reason for your fuxx WvWRanksystem. Make it Acc-Bound!

I would also truly like to see this. I find myself playing WvW on my Guardian because he is my highest rank and I want to try to unlock as much as possible. In reality I’d like to pay around on my thief etc. but I feel like I’d be wasting exp that my Guard could gain.

morrolan.9608:

Mooodster.3470:

just because you dont like the reason does not mean that its not a valid reason…its character progression(notice character not account)…

1. Character progression is invalid in PvP.
2. The way the system has been set up is not even a progression system, it should be more oriented around roles.

if this is pvp why am i using pve gear? why is there pve mods such as champs,skritt and numerous other mods running around..why is there havesting nobs..why is there crafting stations…could it be that it is a mix of pve and pvp?

if there is no progression then you should be fine with not having them on any of your alts…there are roles..there are those that like to master the siege usage..those that like to master the traits capping towers and camps easier and faster…those that like to master building and repairing and im sure anet will continue to add more so that roles will become more defined but just because your not willing to see them doesn’t mean they dont exist