Eredon Terrace {RUIN}
“I’m the one with the scary horned skull helm”
We held our own in Sea of Sorrows against Eredon Terrance during the Aussie hours like a week ago, but now for some reason they beat us 24/7. I noticed a lot of people from Eredon Terrace would transfer to our server (Sea of Sorrow) and spam that they are looking for Aussie guilds to join Eredon Terrace so they can rofflestomp us even harder. After a couple days of this spam I have noticed a huge exodus of Aussie players from Sea of Sorrows, and I have now noticed a even larder presence of players on Eredon Terrance that are now playing during the Aussie hours. Just something I noticed. Also team chat is full of spies on SoS. It is kinda pathetic to be honest that they would even resort to that (ruin guild im talking about you guys)
If you’re going to call out a guild make sure you don’t label the whole server. If that is what RUIN do (and I’m not agreeing it is) they certainly aren’t representing the actions of the majority of ET.
see smokey is making ish up if you read his post carefully. he is fantasizing that there are spies in his team chat…..how would he know that? “do they say hi guys im a spy?”
on top of that he goes out of his way to say it is my guild RUIN….lol do they come into team saying “hi guys im from RUIN, im a spy?”
made up bolgna….i was actually starting to feel sorry for SOS, not so much anymore.
spend more time getting better in wvwvw than calling out a guild that just curbstomps you because you try to take out reinforced walls with your fists.
Let’s be honest – ET isn’t winning because it has a great strategy. It is winning because it has all the numbers.
I love how the team that has more people and are completely dominating will obviously end up with the orbs as well and then they have even more of an advantage.
Seems rather silly imo.
Sure, they have numbers.
But to say a winning team has numbers and no strategy is weak. You have no way to tell. From everything I hear ET has reasonably good relationships between guilds on the server, that pushes me towards thinking they’ve got their stuff together more than they don’t.
We held our own in Sea of Sorrows against Eredon Terrance during the Aussie hours like a week ago, but now for some reason they beat us 24/7. I noticed a lot of people from Eredon Terrace would transfer to our server (Sea of Sorrow) and spam that they are looking for Aussie guilds to join Eredon Terrace so they can rofflestomp us even harder. After a couple days of this spam I have noticed a huge exodus of Aussie players from Sea of Sorrows, and I have now noticed a even larder presence of players on Eredon Terrance that are now playing during the Aussie hours. Just something I noticed. Also team chat is full of spies on SoS. It is kinda pathetic to be honest that they would even resort to that (ruin guild im talking about you guys)
If you’re going to call out a guild make sure you don’t label the whole server. If that is what RUIN do (and I’m not agreeing it is) they certainly aren’t representing the actions of the majority of ET.
see smokey is making ish up if you read his post carefully. he is fantasizing that there are spies in his team chat…..how would he know that? “do they say hi guys im a spy?”
on top of that he goes out of his way to say it is my guild RUIN….lol do they come into team saying “hi guys im from RUIN, im a spy?”
made up bolgna….i was actually starting to feel sorry for SOS, not so much anymore.
spend more time getting better in wvwvw than calling out a guild that just curbstomps you because you try to take out reinforced walls with your fists.
Yeah the same guy spamming in the chat was the one spying and trying to get us to go to different places…and anytime we tried to take something over 40 ruins would be camping a supply depo….like really 40 guys just waiting at a supply depo?4Its ok to admit you guys have spies its just a game bro
I’m on the fence regarding the orbs. They sit as a point of power. You strive to get them because they give you an advantage. That’s war I guess. You don’t take places that aren’t really going to help you in any way. At the same time I see people’s opinion on why giving someone who is already winning a 15% advantage over everyone else is a bad idea. That should however make you want to get those orbs back more, which creates conflict, more PvP, etc. I dunno, that’s a tough one.
Just make it give you more points or something. Don’t make the PvP situation worse by giving the entire server better stats so they can protect the orbs and stomp you even easier.
I really don’t know who came up with this orb idea, but it really needs to be re-worked.
We held our own in Sea of Sorrows against Eredon Terrance during the Aussie hours like a week ago, but now for some reason they beat us 24/7. I noticed a lot of people from Eredon Terrace would transfer to our server (Sea of Sorrow) and spam that they are looking for Aussie guilds to join Eredon Terrace so they can rofflestomp us even harder. After a couple days of this spam I have noticed a huge exodus of Aussie players from Sea of Sorrows, and I have now noticed a even larder presence of players on Eredon Terrance that are now playing during the Aussie hours. Just something I noticed. Also team chat is full of spies on SoS. It is kinda pathetic to be honest that they would even resort to that (ruin guild im talking about you guys)
If you’re going to call out a guild make sure you don’t label the whole server. If that is what RUIN do (and I’m not agreeing it is) they certainly aren’t representing the actions of the majority of ET.
see smokey is making ish up if you read his post carefully. he is fantasizing that there are spies in his team chat…..how would he know that? “do they say hi guys im a spy?”
on top of that he goes out of his way to say it is my guild RUIN….lol do they come into team saying “hi guys im from RUIN, im a spy?”
made up bolgna….i was actually starting to feel sorry for SOS, not so much anymore.
spend more time getting better in wvwvw than calling out a guild that just curbstomps you because you try to take out reinforced walls with your fists.
Yeah the same guy spamming in the chat was the one spying and trying to get us to go to different places…and anytime we tried to take something over 40 ruins would be camping a supply depo….like really 40 guys just waiting at a supply depo?4Its ok to admit you guys have spies its just a game bro
But aren’t ppl saying ET is everywhere on the map as it is? So having 40-50 in any one place is no big surprise.
The one thing I noticed about ET is that they had defense up. We tried to cap a few supply camps at one point and ET had defenders within a stone throw, Ballistas up, etc. You wouldn’t get people from IOJ doing that because it’s boring, but in the end it was enough to make us wipe 5+ times and move to another borderland.
I have been doing WvW for the past two hours now against ET. On the whole they are average, but their population in WvW is dwarfing us. They have the population to gate camp while simultaneously camp everything they hold, and even have a few left over to roam. They don’t have a lot camping the controls, but even 1 or 2 is enough to call in a wave of destruction if we try to take anything.
We take something and less than a minute later it is in ET’s hands again. Their server population may be lower, but they WvW population is overwhelming. They are at their population cap 24/7. While we are only fielding 30 to 40 most of the time.
The outmanned buff needs reworked, and the orbs need to be completely removed.
if we are average as you say….what does that make you, the loser?
there is nothing average about a cohesive server working together. guilds and mercs as one. (u notice i dont call them pugs) on ET we have no pugs
u also were most likely not fighting when we conquered the map initially. you are now fighting smaller warbands. if by some miracle you start taking some keeps, you will see us “average” exotic 80s come out to play, stick around.
and no…we earned those orbs and didnt “fly in” to grab them either.
So someone suggests you are average and you need to commence to bragging about exotics….
Thanks for your contribution to the discussion. I’m sure you are a credit to your guild.
Im glad the aussies didnt leave IoJ as were about to get a nice transfer of guilds to the usa side of the server which im positive theyll be happy with to get the usa side as competitive as the oceanic side
That’s great news Psy!
You know from where?
Plenty of Aussie guilds are staying on IoJ. We aren’t going anywhere!
smokey im going to leave this here. in it i explain our guilds feeling on competition. WE DO NOT CROSS REALM/SPY ON THE SERVERS WE FIGHT. we do however have an entire core of our guild (50+ people) dedicated to being positioned around the map to call out enemy movements. just because you dont see them doesnt me they dont see you.
in it you will also find out what happens to members of our organization who are caught on other servers. (hint, we kick them and shame them publicly)
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/SoS-lets-form-an-alliance/126333 (just keep reading down)
maximumpanda – Ruin – director of pvp
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Matches like this are not good for us all the guys that just jumped on your coat tails cause you won are now jumping to ours. So for our next machups you guys will be stronger and we will be weaker.
The change in que times is huge they go from 2hour ques where we cant even get our forces in the match because scatterd forces are taking up our ques to instant ques where we can get almost all of our forces in after a loss. I think anet is just watching to see what kind of changes it brings when it comes to placment in rankings.
Somthing I think may be a good idea is giving some of the buffs to the lossers to promote lead change like the robust buff and healing buffs we have a 21% hp gain at the moment with a 6% healing buff with the orbs and it is only getting larger.
Another idea is to give the outmaned buff some combat application.
All in all anet is doing a really good job and there watching the numbers move and trying to see how they can make the sytem work in a way that alows us more freedom as players.
smokey im going to leave this here. in it i explain our guilds feeling on competition. WE DO NOT CROSS REALM/SPY ON THE SERVERS WE FIGHT. we do however have an entire core of our guild (50+ people) dedicated to being positioned around the map to call out enemy movements. just because you dont see them doesnt me they dont see you.
in it you will also find out what happens to members of our organization who are caught on other servers. (hint, we kick them and shame them publicly)
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/SoS-lets-form-an-alliance/126333 (just keep reading down)
maximumpanda – Ruin – director of pvp
Thanks for the response. It was the guy Nohonor that I saw and I read on the other thread that he has been kicked. Good job on keeping your ship clean.
I know we (RUIN/ET) have quite the large amount of players, but please note that this does not take away from the amount of communication/planning that goes on. If you could hear the amount of USEFUL chatter that goes on in the TS server, its insane.
Also, read it above that we defend areas. The fun thing about it is we always have people volunteering even for the most mundane of tasks. Hell, I personally sat on Dandelion (at this point I really can’t remember its real name, just like I’m used to hearing Doritos for Durrios lolool) for a good two hours just protecting the slowkitten yaks.
smokey im going to leave this here. in it i explain our guilds feeling on competition. WE DO NOT CROSS REALM/SPY ON THE SERVERS WE FIGHT. we do however have an entire core of our guild (50+ people) dedicated to being positioned around the map to call out enemy movements. just because you dont see them doesnt me they dont see you.
in it you will also find out what happens to members of our organization who are caught on other servers. (hint, we kick them and shame them publicly)
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/SoS-lets-form-an-alliance/126333 (just keep reading down)
maximumpanda – Ruin – director of pvp
Thanks for the response. It was the guy Nohonor that I saw and I read on the other thread that he has been kicked. Good job on keeping your ship clean.
rumors fly around so fast these days, we need to be proactive. in the past ruin has always been the target of these complaints and we have just let the enemy say what ever they wanted because we didn’t need to rely on alliances and maintaining a proper public image. but with WVW being the way it is, we need to prove to the community as a whole that while we are the big tough e-bullys that we are, that we also play by the rules, and have our own weird sense of honor when it comes to a fight.
we do not play in the borderlands
I have no problem with you playing in borderlands, but please don’t lie.
I am in borderlands right now and Ruin pushing us back hard.
Honestly the match ups are pretty horrible. Kaineng and Devona’s Rest have practically given up against Shiverpeaks. I feel like even if Kaineng and Devona’s Rest were to join forces we’d still be completely slapped back to our spawn.
Removal of orbs, reworking of the outmanned buff etc etc. Changes need to be made.
Being on ET, I don’t believe its our fault for being able to put on a good showing. We can’t just disband our guilds for weeks when we’re not against HoD and reform when we are.
we do not play in the borderlands
I have no problem with you playing in borderlands, but please don’t lie.
I am in borderlands right now and Ruin pushing us back hard.
I doubt he meant to lie to you out right. We (RUIN) are assigned to EB as our primary stomping grounds and are suppose to only queue for borderlands as an overflow area. If we’re in there then we’re most likely waiting for our EB queues to pop.
we do not play in the borderlands
I have no problem with you playing in borderlands, but please don’t lie.
I am in borderlands right now and Ruin pushing us back hard.
I doubt he meant to lie to you out right. We (RUIN) are assigned to EB as our primary stomping grounds and are suppose to only queue for borderlands as an overflow area. If we’re in there then we’re most likely waiting for our EB queues to pop.
so how long do ques to get into EB take?
This has gotten really off topic.
On the original problem. There is not much to be done. We appear to have 4 very WvW focused servers, and its 3 per match, so 1 focused WvW server is going to fight 5th and 6th every week… I cant really think of a way around this at all. Outmanned buff wont really help as even with even numbers it could still be a steamroll.
They could implement a buff to the servers getting stomped a few days into the match. But that kind of takes away from it imo.
we do not play in the borderlands
I have no problem with you playing in borderlands, but please don’t lie.
I am in borderlands right now and Ruin pushing us back hard.
I doubt he meant to lie to you out right. We (RUIN) are assigned to EB as our primary stomping grounds and are suppose to only queue for borderlands as an overflow area. If we’re in there then we’re most likely waiting for our EB queues to pop.
so how long do ques to get into EB take?
A long time.
I’ve seen people in guild queue for 3-4 hours to get into EB. Personally I average 2 hours + to get into EB.
What they need to do is make it a dynamic player cap on borderlands and EB. Where no server can field more than the server with the lowest amount of players on the map.
Example: If the normal player cap is 150 per server but one of the servers only has 50 people on the field, the player cap for the other two servers will be 50.
Not only does this balance it out, but it also creates an incentive for people to transfer to the servers with the lower WvW population. Will this anger the higher WvW pop servers and cause extra queue times for them? Sure it will. In the short term it may cause issues for them. However, overall I believe it will resolve the issues.
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ET threw a few matches against HoD earlier so they could face the lower brackets. They’re trying to game the system so that they don’t have to face us.
ET threw a few matches against HoD earlier so they could face the lower brackets. They’re trying to game the system so that they don’t have to face us.
LMAO…god you’d think you weren’t happy winning
I have done a large amount of WvW over the weekend on IoJ.
Our woes and those of SoS can be traced to one particular time of the day. I found that for most of the day were held onto our territory and and when the aussies logged on even gained a bit, but as soon as the aussie players went to bed the score nosedived into oblivion.
It’s interesting looking at the screenshot the OP posted. When I went to bed the previous day, the score was roughly ET: 300+, IoJ: 200+, SoS: 150+. So not too unbalanced. But by the morning you can see the results.
So ET is winning the timezone bracket between Aussie peak time and US peak time, so I assume they have European players who log on around that time and stomp over everything.
And to comment on the posts above I have only seen RUIN in EB. I’ve run into other guilds, e.g. RES that seem to hit us later in the night Australian times.
As for a solution. I think let it run it’s course. Players are either going to transfer off the server which will cause it to drop down in rankings or they will toughen up and fight back which will benefit everything. The lack of players in that one time bracket though does kind of make it difficult to hold onto territory.
ET threw a few matches against HoD earlier so they could face the lower brackets. They’re trying to game the system so that they don’t have to face us.
LMAO…god you’d think you weren’t happy winning
Beat you 4 times, i was eager to make it 5.
No one even ques up on SoS anymore. Even in assie primetime no ques anymore..morale is low!!!
I’m not too sure what can be done about this. It seems to me that if the brackets have different, drastic tiers, then every other week the loser of a higher tier will fight in a lower bracket for two weeks.
I’m not too sure what can be done about this. It seems to me that if the brackets have different, drastic tiers, then every other week the loser of a higher tier will fight in a lower bracket for two weeks.
Aside from the bottom couple of servers, 1 server extra at the top is throwing the whole system out.
Spawn camping them is seriously lame, especially when you are already winning by such a huge margin.
At least let them knock on a door before booting them in the face.
Anet is trolling really good. “Sea of sorrows” got a completely new meaning now. a sea full of tears of sorrow. Nicely done.
@maximumpanda.5178
IoJ here. Trust me, we’re playing as tactfully as we can, but we’re out numbered. There are quite a few of our guilds working as an alliance, but it’s of no use. We’re going to have an empty WvW if this continues.
If you guys are serious about wanting a fair matchup, get some of your guilds to transfer out to SoS and IoJ and lets even the odds. I know it’s hard to walk away from the winning team, but it’s the only option I can see.
@maximumpanda.5178
IoJ here. Trust me, we’re playing as tactfully as we can, but we’re out numbered. There are quite a few of our guilds working as an alliance, but it’s of no use. We’re going to have an empty WvW if this continues.
If you guys are serious about wanting a fair matchup, get some of your guilds to transfer out to SoS and IoJ and lets even the odds. I know it’s hard to walk away from the winning team, but it’s the only option I can see.
problem is, is that we need more oceanics to cover our dead spots to fight hendge on top. it was what stopped us last time, we stay toe to toe until we hit deadspots, and then suddenly lose the whole map.
unforunately, coattail riders have cause hendge to be #1 simply because people will wait in queue 5 hours, to play for 2 hours, just to say they were on the winning server.. instead of playing for 6 1/2 hours of the 7 they were on, and fighting tooth and nail for second. thats why we transfered our guilds off of NSP, we dont want queues and we can win, but we have dead spots still unfortunately.
people can claim hendge is #1 from TA all they want, but TA makes up about 10% of their entire WvW presence at any time. maybe even less after the transfers got out of control to there. its all numbers/coverage at this point for the top slots
I do agree that it is quite belated as is. I do not think they anticipated the influx and outflux of server transfers when they made their listing selections(generations). Give it a little while before complaining, when server transfers are over you will see a lot of it straighten out. Give it till then and hopefully you will see what you want.
Since when is WvW supposed to be competitive balanced PvP? Yes the higher pop servers will hit harder, yes the coordinated pvp focused WvW guilds will take large swats of maps and yes you will face some servers that are just plain better at WvW than you.
Outside of peek hours you can take supply posts and keeps if you’re organized. If you zerg (100+) straight to a supply depot grab supply then whisk to a keep with rams, you will take it. But if your server isn’t organized you’d better start forming up that large WvW guild.. don’t forget you can be in more than one guild at a time.
I don’t want WvW to become WoW’s wintergrasp.. with so many balancing features, buffs, debuffs, queues, special rules and tons and tons of forum posts that boil down to “I’m not winning wha wha wha” only because the vocal minority want to solo play without any coordination.
Get organized, get online at the same time and you’ll see how far you can get that ball rolling.
I love the irony here.
IoJ: “We do okay against ET, but when people go to sleep they take everything”
IoJ: “We are 5th because we destroyed Dragonbrand and Gates of Madness in the last one day match”
I want to be clear, I’m not complaining about the fact that these are persistent matches, but in that last one day match, Dragonbrand had complete control up until primetime American hours were done. Fridays are my day off so I was on in the morning (mountain time) and watched IoJ take most of the map and the lead while most of my guildies were at work.
Dragonbrand has absolutely no off hours crew, we have zero queue during the day and a 2+ hour queue during primetime. This is the only reason why IoJ beat us on that last day and this is why I take a lot of pleasure that they are completely outmatched by ET, while we are in a fun battle this week.
@Michael
Not very constructive mate.
i personally find this interesting because ET’s major issue is that we almost no oceanic coverage till this matchup. where were we are going against 2 servers that until this week had a pretty serious night crew (sos being the unofficial oceanic server, and for what ever reason ioj had a serious amount in our last threat assesment) but it appears that with the week long battle, they dont seem to be sticking around.
now heres the real issue. ET is only 2nd to keining (which is a ghost town) in population, yet somehow we are able to fill all our ques at all times. this is because of motivation. and this is largely something arena net cant really help. as it stands your servers are far better equipped to take us on then you give it credit for. unfortunately you fail to realize that the battle is not yet lost and that if you really pushed for it, you could be competative.
right now arena net must decide if they need to heavily incentivize WvW, which it already it (the bonuses and epic battles alone pay for themselves) but they need to be very delicate on the tweaking. too much of a bonus and it would be more beneficial to just lose every match and reap the benefits of being the loser. too little and they are just gona get a mountain of qq.
i do think that the orbs should provide a purely financial benefit to those who hold it and allow undermanned to give some MINOR stat bonuses (2% hp) to make a up a very large gap. but i cannot stress hard enough that these bonuses should be MINOR too much and a smaller force could wipe out a larger force just because they are the smaller force. again something arena net needs to tweak VERY light handedly
People on IoJ and SoS need to team up. I met one SoS enemy in the field and we waved at each other.
I saw another later and waved and then 10+ SoS killed me -_-
We need to work together to overthrow ET.
The pvp director and the GM of ruin seem to have different views on this subject. Tonight I was hanging out in there vent and was removed when I reprimanded them for cross-servering.
The officer that went over to SoS said it was to report players for using the trebs on the hill of sos spawn in EB. I said to them with all the stuff on the forums and the stink you made about other servers doing it you should not no matter your justification of the matter.
After a few hours of the officer mindlessly anouncing his actions on SoS to us the GM replied “I don’t know why they would exploit we have already won; what can they gain from it?” and I replied " The same could be said about yourselfs." and was Promptly removed from the TS server.
This instance aside I have seen little questionable behavior from them.
The pvp director and the GM of ruin seem to have different views on this subject. Tonight I was hanging out in there vent and was removed when I reprimanded them for cross-servering.
The officer that went over to SoS said it was to report players for using the trebs on the hill of sos spawn in EB. I said to them with all the stuff on the forums and the stink you made about other servers doing it you should not no matter your justification of the matter.
After a few hours of the officer mindlessly anouncing his actions on SoS to us the GM replied “I don’t know why they would exploit we have already won; what can they gain from it?” and I replied " The same could be said about yourselfs." and was Promptly removed from the TS server.
This instance aside I have seen little questionable behavior from them.
this is news to me. i know we are sending “diplomatic” missions to other servers at late night to recruit for next weeks battle. but no officer should have been in WvW, for long periods of time even. i dont wish to sweep a situation under the rug, but the first question that jumps to my mind is, “why were you in our teamspeak?”
also we do frequently come against members of your server who are hack flying over our walls/ placing siege in impossible places (the mountain above your spawn) and players with invulnerability in our spawn 1 shotting 10-15 people. so sending someone over to complain i dont find that bad. now if he was actively interfering with your ability to compete, thats an entirely different story.
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I was a member I have since removed myself from your Company.
Edit: The Hypocrite nature of the matter was an issue for me no matter how small the impact. Taking up a spot is enough of one to mention but as stated this was the only instance I observed.
2nd edit: The impact of telling people they would be banned for using those trebs was a large one. I do not know if its an exploit but as the game currently allows it ruin has no place trying to police other servers.
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i know we are sending “diplomatic” missions to other servers at late night to recruit for next weeks battle.
Really? Really? You guys go to recruit guilds from other servers to fight for you on an already 2 hour queued server?
People like you will be the death of this game and the death of the mid ranks servers, please quit the game and go diaf, this game is better off without you.
i know we are sending “diplomatic” missions to other servers at late night to recruit for next weeks battle.
Really? Really? You guys go to recruit guilds from other servers to fight for you on an already 2 hour queued server?
People like you will be the death of this game and the death of the mid ranks servers, please quit the game and go diaf, this game is better off without you.
Yeah all the larger WvW servers do it, because they can. A-net would prefer the opposite. The larger WvW servers to send people to the smaller ones, but guilds like these don’t really care what A-net wants. They only care about themselves.
So sad. There is maybe 3 people from IoJ on this borderland, besides myself. we can’t leave our spawn without meeting a much larger zerg waiting for us at the exits. The snowball effect is terrible. Now that they control everything, they have an easy time upgrading the towers/keeps/camps. Now that the t/k/c are harder to take, less people come in. Less people coming in, less for the enemy to do. Less for the enemy to do, the more they camp our spawns. And yet they still refuse to acknowledge that there is a problem…
i know we are sending “diplomatic” missions to other servers at late night to recruit for next weeks battle.
Really? Really? You guys go to recruit guilds from other servers to fight for you on an already 2 hour queued server?
People like you will be the death of this game and the death of the mid ranks servers, please quit the game and go diaf, this game is better off without you.
Yeah, you can’t mean that panda. In fact, I was flabbergasted when I heard that Ruin was on ET with Team Legacy (and the rest of AA?). And this is the problem.
We (the guild wars community) have outsmarted ourselves. We got the idea to make these huge alliances of the best guilds to try to win at WvW. Turns out to be a terrible idea. We have created four servers that outmatch all others by miles and have huge queues to play (so no one can get on to play with their friends and guildies).
Ruin or TL by themselves could form the basis of a great server in WvW – and they combined with each other plus a huge alliance? Same goes for Titan on HoD. And the guilds on JQ and SBI.
The only solution to this is the alliances need to break up. Period. I’ve seen all the arguments against Anets request that people move but it has to be done. And not just an alliance moving to another server. The alliances must break up and distribute themselves more evenly amongst the servers.
every major wvw server is recruiting from other servers. just read these forums and you will see it. hell we have members from IOJ and SOS spamming our LA right now. at the end of the day recruiting is absolutely mandatory to compete at higher levels.
again i dont see the actual issue with telling people who are exploiting/hacking to get an advantage that they will be banned. had he been cross realming, attempting to give missleading directions to your pugs, using your siege, or passing intel. thats a different story. actively calling out hackers/exploiters and getting their character names is entirely different.
your clearly not suppose to build siege in a place that you have to fly hack to get to, using it to take down the walls of a tower and a keep is even more pathetic
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