Guild Wars 2

Jeknar.6184:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Just speculation, but isn’t EotM in that corner? Maybe there’s a way to fall into BL from EotM without dying.

I don’t think the instances are connected since EotM are various overflows of the same map.

Oh man they should be connected though. That would be an awesome change.

If you capture Bay you can build a tunnel to EotM from the top of that cliff, or better yet a Sky Ladder. You see all that construction equipment up there above the water – that’s probably what its for.

Icetea.3204:

Personally i don’t think its a hack. There must be a place where you can jump far enough. I mean why should they hack themselves up to this position, if they could hack themselves just into bay?

This reminds of monthy python……perhaps the swallow gripped it by the husk.

Any explanation that doesn’t include a flaming from either CD or DR players? We just want to understand how it was done, and if it’s legal for us to use it too.

Mewdos.2580:

Any explanation that doesn’t include a flaming from either CD or DR players? We just want to understand how it was done, and if it’s legal for us to use it too.

Maybe a fly hack or a clipping terrain glitch spot. These 2 arent uncommon in gw2.

Can one person easily build a whole treb? A terrain glitch or even an innocent yet unknown tactical location would need several trips, potentially multiple suppliers at once all agile enough to get there.

If a hax, then of course the treb could be created too.

insanemaniac.2456:

wey daw ming.5784:

Synosius.9876:

no comments on how wide the op’s screen shot is?

I run 3 monitor at 3400 × 1024 resolution is that a problem?

thats how so called “zoom hacks” happen, by contorting your FoV into something like 10k x 100 pixels so you can look over walls

hacks? no. exploitative? yes.

not calling you dirty. just sayin. dont be that guy.

Wrong. Many hacks exist for this game, including flying and no clipping. You can also use an actual zoom hack.

Midnight hack, unf trainer.

The problem is anet left almost everything clientside. Real MMOs try to keep everything server side for this very reason: if it’s at the server end, you can’t tamper. Until everything is serverside (which will cause lag), this game is going to be a hack fest.

If wvw actually meant anything, like pvp in other games does – I’d be really kittened at anet and just quit because it’s ridiculous. It’s why I quit Aion.

I honestly thought people were spying on me because they knew where ALL my siege was, but no, I just learned it was a function in one of the hack apps.

RollingBob.8502:

Can one person easily build a whole treb? A terrain glitch or even an innocent yet unknown tactical location would need several trips, potentially multiple suppliers at once all agile enough to get there.

If a hax, then of course the treb could be created too.

One person with enhanced supply from an +5 camp can carry 20 supply per trip making 5 trips required to build the treb. From where the treb is located the nw camp would be the logical supply choice as you have about 9 minutes between loads or the siege will despawn. However if the person is using a hack to teleport up there then he of course would be using that same hack to get supply by teleporting anyplace on or frankly off the map to resupply.

Considering the terrain glitches in WvW and utter neglect at dealing with cheaters/hackers, it seems most likely its someone who managed to get at some point of the map they shouldnt. Build a Treb there, because siege deployment isnt disabled afteral no one is suppose to get there anyway, and is now trebbing Bay.

Did we really need almost two pages of discussion on this? WvW is notoriously glitchy when it comes to terrain and structures, and the odds of arenanet stepping in and banning an offender is next to non-existent.

RollingBob.8502:

Can one person easily build a whole treb? A terrain glitch or even an innocent yet unknown tactical location would need several trips, potentially multiple suppliers at once all agile enough to get there.

If a hax, then of course the treb could be created too.

They can port wherever they want,they can fly..So getting sups on his own is no kittening problem at all.Ive seen the same thing happening on EB,aldon being trebbed from Way above dredge,off map.

To all the people asking for confirmation if it was a treb from CD. As i spent my time in that bay tonight, i can confirm it was. However, i can also tell you said treb was not used in taking that objective as it was my team of pugs that opened south bay gate, and took out that waypoint.

How that treb got there is beyond me as we spent the rest of the time moving on the map and attacking the enemy garrison. It was only brought to my attention at around 5 am when we were leaving WvW. (Just noticed this says NSP, This is still occuring and a treb was placed there on DB bay tonight, my apology for the summary that is not relevant)

CD doesnt condone hackers, so feel free to submit that as an exploit. I’m sure Anet has the tools to figure out which person/group of people broke out of the map and will take care of it.

We have submitted tickets (bunch of us), but we’d still like to bring this to light to ANet, to see if they have something to say on the matter. I still don’t understand why people say ANet doesn’t care about WvW?

will neruson-senpai notice me today?

Toxicity.5392:

The problem is anet left almost everything clientside. Real MMOs try to keep everything server side for this very reason: if it’s at the server end, you can’t tamper. Until everything is serverside (which will cause lag), this game is going to be a hack fest.

I understand the problem with trusting clients and also why letting the client do the work is desirable for performance, but the client must report a great deal about the location, movement, damage, health, and so on in order for it the impact the game world and for others to see it so what I don’t understand, as a programmer, is why they can’t implement a set of assertions related to the data that client reports to the server to pick up at least the most overt examples of hacking such as flying (any character that has coordinates in the air or under the map), teleporting (if the client reports a huge location shift that doesn’t end near a waypoint), excessive movement (no character of a class should ever be able to move more than a certain distance over a certain time), characters doing damage that can’t be seen, excessive damage or healing, and so on that must be reported from the client to the servers for other players to be able to see it or be effected by it. Seriously, how can they not detect a flying character? Or a character that teleports to a chest that’s nowhere near a waypoint without reporting any points of movement nearby? That information must mass through and be available to the server or nobody else would be able to see it. Report it for investigation. Sure, there might be some false positives, but the criteria can be tuned until they are minimal.

Milamberr.1705:

Icetea.3204:

Personally i don’t think its a hack. There must be a place where you can jump far enough. I mean why should they hack themselves up to this position, if they could hack themselves just into bay?

This reminds of monthy python……perhaps the swallow gripped it by the husk.

Well that would depend if it’s an African swallow or a European swallow!

It was definitely CD doing this. As It happened tonight on DBBL everyone on the map could see the treb on the hill exactly where the screenshots within this post have shown. You can see an outline of the treb and can see it firing, but no players because it’s just too far. I did however see a CD engi on the cliff in between Faith camp and the JP. It’s believed that there were several on the hills above the JP that a mesmer had portaled up for enough supply. a few maps do have terrain glitches in which mesmer’s blink or thief’s infiltrator’s arrow can “go through terrain” or “jump up cliffs”. This is definitely an exploit of some sort and should DEFINITELY be consider cheating.
BECAUSE of where they are doing it, anet never intended a player to go in that area.
so yes, I’m directly implicating that CD is CHEATING.

It looks like it’s coming from the worm area. That part of the map has never been uncovered. I’m surprised no one has suggested this.

Sam Gem.1246:

It looks like it’s coming from the worm area. That part of the map has never been uncovered. I’m surprised no one has suggested this.

It is above the wurm area. if you get on a cliff near west tower you can see a path that goes up to the treb leading all the way down to the JP. The little cliff just east of the wurm could be another “terrain glitch” area.

I personaly checked the area arround the wurm, I can say for sure there is no way up without using a third program that allows u to fly.

Virtuoso.9460:

It was definitely CD doing this. As It happened tonight on DBBL everyone on the map could see the treb on the hill exactly where the screenshots within this post have shown.

All siege weapons keep track of who built it, which is why you can kick someone else off of a trebuchet you’ve built. Is it really that difficult for ArenaNet to send someone into the map to take a look and figure who is doing it? Is the game really that opaque to the people who built and run it?

Berk.8561:

Virtuoso.9460:

It was definitely CD doing this. As It happened tonight on DBBL everyone on the map could see the treb on the hill exactly where the screenshots within this post have shown.

All siege weapons keep track of who built it, which is why you can kick someone else off of a trebuchet you’ve built. Is it really that difficult for ArenaNet to send someone into the map to take a look and figure who is doing it? Is the game really that opaque to the people who built and run it?

Like I said before, Anet isn’t dumb and aware of issue. If they are cheating in any way, something will be done about it, but since nothing has been done and anet isn’t responding to you that means that they aren’t cheating.

Anet isn’t going to comeback to forums and let you know where they are and how to get to them. They aren’t going to help you win your WvW battles.

uberkingkong.8041:

Berk.8561:

Virtuoso.9460:

It was definitely CD doing this. As It happened tonight on DBBL everyone on the map could see the treb on the hill exactly where the screenshots within this post have shown.

All siege weapons keep track of who built it, which is why you can kick someone else off of a trebuchet you’ve built. Is it really that difficult for ArenaNet to send someone into the map to take a look and figure who is doing it? Is the game really that opaque to the people who built and run it?

Like I said before, Anet isn’t dumb and aware of issue. If they are cheating in any way, something will be done about it, but since nothing has been done and anet isn’t responding to you that means that they aren’t cheating.

Anet isn’t going to comeback to forums and let you know where they are and how to get to them. They aren’t going to help you win your WvW battles.

If Anet isn’t saying anything is to avoid spreading any voice about possible map exploit, especialy in WvW;

BTW, this must involve a hack, there is no way u can climb up there in normal means.

Virtuoso.9460:

It was definitely CD doing this. As It happened tonight on DBBL everyone on the map could see the treb on the hill exactly where the screenshots within this post have shown. You can see an outline of the treb and can see it firing, but no players because it’s just too far. I did however see a CD engi on the cliff in between Faith camp and the JP. It’s believed that there were several on the hills above the JP that a mesmer had portaled up for enough supply. a few maps do have terrain glitches in which mesmer’s blink or thief’s infiltrator’s arrow can “go through terrain” or “jump up cliffs”. This is definitely an exploit of some sort and should DEFINITELY be consider cheating.
BECAUSE of where they are doing it, anet never intended a player to go in that area.
so yes, I’m directly implicating that CD is CHEATING.

Or you could take the high road and not imply the entire server is doing it unless you’d rather have CD pull out the same card. Your server has some dirty players as well, but you don’t see us blaming your server as a whole but rather the person and group responsible for allowing it to continue.

I wouldn’t be surprised if uberkingkong is the guy on the treb… Do you see how fiercely he defend it?

Jeknar.6184:

I wouldn’t be surprised if uberkingkong is the guy on the treb… Do you see how fiercely he defend it?

Wouldnt surprise me either however his compass broken too as he claimed the treb is in the jump puzzle, while the screenshot clearly shows another location – even south of quarry camp.

Virtuoso.9460:

You are entirely correct sir, I thought about this when I originally posted. It’s a shame that the actions of a few reflect poorly upon many. I understand and agree that it was
only a small number of people using a hack or exploit. After both inner and outer walls where down guild [CF] came into bay and capped it. Maybe anet can ask them, who took the walls down for them.

Alright now you’re just asking for a moderator to come in.

Im going to state my piece, I know the [CF} guys, they don’t cheat, they don’t condone cheating, and their leader wouldn’t ever include anyone whose abused exploits in their roster. So again, before you start belittling the entire server for one corrupt person’s action im going to ask you to clean up your own servers actions. Thanks and have a nice day.

TexZero.7910:

Virtuoso.9460:

You are entirely correct sir, I thought about this when I originally posted. It’s a shame that the actions of a few reflect poorly upon many. I understand and agree that it was
only a small number of people using a hack or exploit. After both inner and outer walls where down guild [CF] came into bay and capped it. Maybe anet can ask them, who took the walls down for them.

Alright now you’re just asking for a moderator to come in.

Im going to state my piece, I know the [CF} guys, they don’t cheat, they don’t condone cheating, and their leader wouldn’t ever include anyone whose abused exploits in their roster. So again, before you start belittling the entire server for one corrupt person’s action im going to ask you to clean up your own servers actions. Thanks and have a nice day.

Yet apparently, they took advantage of the hacker’s work and stole the tower. Maybe they didn’t know who took it down? Who knows….

In any case, pretty soon CD will be well known for this just like FSP’s reputation is that of the server with the invisible “unknown” hackers. And there’s nothing anyone can do about it (including CD themselves).. that’s the tragedy.