Guild Wars 2

Not too long ago we know that NA t8 was a horrible mess with so many problems in terms of lopsided matches but guess what? The same virus has infected EU t1. We can call this a T-Virus if you wish (people from EU t1 and t2 know what I mean by that). Every EU server except Vizunah Square is trying to avoid t1. Servers from t2 are fighting ‘not’ to go to t1 while servers in t1 like desolation and SFR are fighting to go down a tier. Desolation including SFR has lost a lot of hard core wvw guilds in the past couple of weeks. And we are still losing people every passing day. A lot of people I know from Deso has already quit gw2 because t1 is staled and boring. Even if we try there is no way in the world we can drop down to t2 thanks to the glicko system. We are stuck here for good which makes me sad. If Anet doesn’t step in now, EU t1 will be a zombie town and I mean it.

Anatolian Turk.4057:

Not too long ago we know that NA t8 was a horrible mess with so many problems in terms of lopsided matches but guess what? The same virus has infected EU t1. We can call this a T-Virus if you wish (people from EU t1 and t2 know what I mean by that). Every EU server except Vizunah Square is trying to avoid t1. Servers from t2 are fighting ‘not’ to go to t1 while servers in t1 like desolation and SFR are fighting to go down a tier. Desolation including SFR has lost a lot of hard core wvw guilds in the past couple of weeks. And we are still losing people every passing day. A lot of people I know from Deso has already quit gw2 because t1 is staled and boring. Even if we try there is no way in the world we can drop down to t2 thanks to the glicko system. We are stuck here for good which makes me sad. If Anet doesn’t step in now, EU t1 will be a zombie town and I mean it.

Go and post this on your EU forums 0_o

Fuzzion.2504:

Anatolian Turk.4057:

Not too long ago we know that NA t8 was a horrible mess with so many problems in terms of lopsided matches but guess what? The same virus has infected EU t1. We can call this a T-Virus if you wish (people from EU t1 and t2 know what I mean by that). Every EU server except Vizunah Square is trying to avoid t1. Servers from t2 are fighting ‘not’ to go to t1 while servers in t1 like desolation and SFR are fighting to go down a tier. Desolation including SFR has lost a lot of hard core wvw guilds in the past couple of weeks. And we are still losing people every passing day. A lot of people I know from Deso has already quit gw2 because t1 is staled and boring. Even if we try there is no way in the world we can drop down to t2 thanks to the glicko system. We are stuck here for good which makes me sad. If Anet doesn’t step in now, EU t1 will be a zombie town and I mean it.

Go and post this on your EU forums 0_o

The EU and NA forums are shared…..

Fuzzion.2504:

Go and post this on your EU forums 0_o

There is no separate forums for EU and NA. But thanks for the good contribution to this thread.

You’re wrong. T1 EU will change soon. This is nothing like T8 NA.

All that’s needed is for T2 EU to become unbalanced in favor of 1 server and then one of the T1 EU servers can drop down.

What a mess for SFR btw, it seemed to have collapsed faster than HoD.

Isaac.6041:

You’re wrong. T1 EU will change soon. This is nothing like T8 NA.

All that’s needed is for T2 EU to become unbalanced in favor of 1 server and then one of the T1 EU servers can drop down.

What a mess for SFR btw, it seemed to have collapsed faster than HoD.

You know the same could’ve said about NA t7 and t8 right ?
IF there was 1 server losing badly then SF could’ve ranked up. But it didn’t happen.

BUT this is an easier situation and desolation and Seafarers can help each other out and help 1 server drop first instead of both trying to drop down at the same time…

Isaac.6041:

You’re wrong. T1 EU will change soon. This is nothing like T8 NA.

All that’s needed is for T2 EU to become unbalanced in favor of 1 server and then one of the T1 EU servers can drop down.

What a mess for SFR btw, it seemed to have collapsed faster than HoD.

Im sorry but you didnt understand me. No server in EU T2-T9 wants to come to T1 and for that reason we are stuck here for eternity.

Ilesyt.7084:

Isaac.6041:

You’re wrong. T1 EU will change soon. This is nothing like T8 NA.

All that’s needed is for T2 EU to become unbalanced in favor of 1 server and then one of the T1 EU servers can drop down.

What a mess for SFR btw, it seemed to have collapsed faster than HoD.

You know the same could’ve said about NA t7 and t8 right ?
IF there was 1 server losing badly then SF could’ve ranked up. But it didn’t happen.

BUT this is an easier situation and desolation and Seafarers can help each other out and help 1 server drop first instead of both trying to drop down at the same time…

Nope it’s still not the same because T8 NA was stuck in same position for much longer time than your T1 EU.

And T5 NA is still stuck in same match longer than T1 EU even though Ebay is winning many times over. So you’re not the only tier having problems.

Isaac.6041:

Nope it’s still not the same because T8 NA was stuck in same position for much longer time than your T1 EU.

And T5 NA is still stuck in same match longer than T1 EU even though Ebay is winning many times over. So you’re not the only tier having problems.

If the other two servers in US T5 lost a large chunk of their WvW guilds. They would fall down the tiers. When a server collapses in the US ladder they drop tiers, this has happened again and again because servers in the lower tiers want to take their spot.

Blame SFR for going in VZ and creating a super server for no real reason.

The only way it is going to change is if guilds transfer and stack another server to compete or if the super server breaks apart

in the NA T1 we have had HoD, ET, SBI, IoJ, SoS (sorry if im missing anyone) break apart and transfer to other servers

if you look at the current T1 n T2 servers everyone of them is made up from aspects of these ex T1 servers

the only way you are going to get a balance mix of servers is if you can get people to work together to spread the guilds out, we tried this in the NA bracket then ANet decided to end free transfers and people stacked onto the top 3 servers

until we get more accurate ways to measure WvW population on each server, I feel the cycle is going to continue

You still not got it, it’s not EU-T1 that fail to go down, it’s not EU-T2 that fail to go up it’s not NA-T8, it’s not any tiers failure.

It is the abuse of Glicko-2 by ANet that lead to this situation.

By definition every up/down of a server increases the distance between the two involved tiers. And this continues till there will be no up and down whatever you
do in your tier. And after 8 month of Glicko-2 abuse this state is mostly reached.

It’s really funny that ANet finished a WEB-page for the WvW-Ranking at a moment where it already was totally meaningless.

Whenever 1 server moves up between tiers it takes a little of the points with it and the below tier loses some points:

S1: 2000
S2: 1950
S3: 1900
Total: 5850

S4: 1850
S5: 1800
S6: 1750
Total: 5400

After matchup:

S1: 2050
S2: 1950
S3: 1850
Total: 5850

S4: 1900
S5: 1800
S6: 1700
Total: 5400

And since s4 has more points than s3, they switch ranks:

S1: 2050
S2: 1950
S4: 1900
Total: 5900

S3: 1850
S5: 1800
S6: 1700 (ofcourse this server might also tier down)
Total: 5350

What I call this phenomenon is a ‘bubbling up’ of points.
The last tier keeps losing points, the tiers inbetween keep gaining and losing points until last tier has stagnated that means no more switching tiers between the last and second last, when that happens, the last tier becomes another pit it will keep on losing points (unless it is a matchup that stagnates which was the case in t7 NA and doesn’t allow switching between tiers). Meanwhile all those points keep going up and up in tiers and finally reach their final destination: T1, like in a bottle they will be stuck at the top until someone shakes the bottle.
It can be a small shake when for example a bubble bursts(SFR) and causes small tremors. Or it can be a big shake from the outside (Anet).

We too all helped Anet proposed a points reset everyone got up in arms and forced them to shelve it.

Yes it was only a band aid and eventually we would have ended back at square 1 but it took 8 months to accumulate to this point and more than likely the same time period to return by then hopefully a fix to the glicko system would have been found.

So… I remember when Blacktide was in a similar situation and the ppl that hopped to SFR went all kitteny and all saying this would never happen to SFR etc etc etc.

What now?

Anyways, now the “I told you so” is out of the way :P I doubt T1 will stay screwed like this for that long. It doesn’t seem as bad as T8. But yeah, nobody wants to face Vizunah, because, honestly they are just the most boring server to fight against in the EU ladder, ever. Period. No discussion. This results in nobody wanting to go to T1. I think most people view T2 as the real T1 and T1 is just like a bad trip when you took too many drugs. Seems fun but once you’re there you’ll want to kill yourself.

Fuzzion.2504:

Go and post this on your EU forums 0_o

Lol, Americans

Anatolian Turk.4057:

Not too long ago we know that NA t8 was a horrible mess with so many problems in terms of lopsided matches but guess what? The same virus has infected EU t1. We can call this a T-Virus if you wish (people from EU t1 and t2 know what I mean by that). Every EU server except Vizunah Square is trying to avoid t1. Servers from t2 are fighting ‘not’ to go to t1 while servers in t1 like desolation and SFR are fighting to go down a tier. Desolation including SFR has lost a lot of hard core wvw guilds in the past couple of weeks. And we are still losing people every passing day. A lot of people I know from Deso has already quit gw2 because t1 is staled and boring. Even if we try there is no way in the world we can drop down to t2 thanks to the glicko system. We are stuck here for good which makes me sad. If Anet doesn’t step in now, EU t1 will be a zombie town and I mean it.

looks like Desolation was an bandwagon in the end

@Axle Agreed, but there are a lot of not flawed proposals out here in the forum:
1) Always first up – last down
2) first up in one week, last down in next week (works if you do it for
even tiers in one and odd tiers in the other week)
3) Totally Random Matches (hard in the beginning, but in the longer run it would
balance the servers as there is no longer a top tier, such that queuing isn’t worth
the wait)
4) Ranking-based Probabilistic Random matches (my favoured), every match is
theoretically possible, but matches of servers close in ranking are much more
likely (how much more can be a parameter, from first vs last once in 10 years
to once in 1 mio years). I guess it will have a positive effect on server balance
as 3), but is less likely to produce extrem matches.

None of them requires any engine change, so they should not be to hard to do.

Rayya.2591:

looks like Desolation was an bandwagon in the end

They pushed them self up with recruitment threads several times. Probably they had a larger and more loyal core than SFR, but still their T1 membership was only based on not so loyal recruitments …

Good morning everyone,

I don’t mean to turn this into a recruiting thread, however, if you are considering looking for fights on a high-tier bracket, would it be possible for you to consider Kaineng in NA Tier 3? We recently suffered a mass exodus this past week, and while trying to recover, we are lacking SEA/EU players that are crucial to sustaining and defending our Borderlands. Although we are ahead in score and rating in the tier bracket, we constantly lose our upgraded Keeps and Towers due to the ebb and flow of player activity, and we can’t hold our POI’s until either the NA prime time, or the Oceanic prime time.

As it stands, score wise, Kaineng belongs in Tier 2.5. Our NA and Oceanic are too strong for Tier 3, but our EU is too weak for Tier 2. Therefore we currently do not qualify for Tier 2, but continuously destroy Tier3’s matchup. Much like some of you, we are looking to escape this trap that we’ve fallen under, and I’d rather not lose any players and friends jumping to other servers.

@Caephire Lol another mercenary server on the break. Don’t worry, you hardly go back to T2 before ANet fixes the ranking. So you better continue to distribute some of your illoyal players to make T3 more balanced, than to recruit more to make it more imbalanced

Haha, I figured that would be one of the responses I’d get, but I had to try. I really wish more people try to stick it out, but it is a game and they will do what’s best for their Guild and for them to enjoy the game. I’m glad to be one of the Kaineng Originals, some friends moved to other servers once the mass inbound transfers occurred in Tier 8. Now some of those inbound transfers left the server yesterday which left us at a strategic disadvantage … also … walking through Queensdale at night when there’s barely anyone there can feel somewhat … eerie.

God… All these T8-NA comparisons…
Please, someone, go and formulate a variety of Godwins Law for T8-NA.

“As soon as someone got no backing for his claims, he will start using T8 NA as a reference.”

^Yes, I know, I suck at this.

naphack.9346:

God… All these T8-NA comparisons…
Please, someone, go and formulate a variety of Godwins Law for T8-NA.

“As soon as someone got no backing for his claims, he will start using T8 NA as a reference.”

^Yes, I know, I suck at this.

what do you mean using NA t8? SF was stuck in t8 for many months until A-net decided to manually adjust the points so SF can go up and HoD go down.

We dont want to be in this tier. why is anet forcing us to stay here when no one wants to fight the French server, VS. I have nothing against Viz. they play the game the way anet wants us to play i.e. one big BLOB.

Im so happy t1 NA doesnt have the mess you EU folk describe.

Lol, Fuzzy
We nearly got there, its just a good thing guilds are more willing to transfer in the NA bracket

I really think it’s time for a few trial weeks of winner up loser down on both EU and NA. Keyword being trial, see how it works and gather the reactions of everyone. Make a decision at the end of the period to what works best. I feel winner up loser down won’t be as unbalanced as people assume and people should have a mentality of wanting to test/train themselves against the new opponents instead of thinking negative and folding before the match even begins

I personally think anet dont give a hoot about wvw as in their eyes its only ‘casual’. Instead they let the community sort it out by transferring (and i would expect some real money to be involved with this). 9 months the game has been released- so much promise and potential at the beginning, shame its an epic fail now

EDIT: Vz only win due to superior numbers when the other servers are off peak and also the FACT that they map hop. CHANGE THIS. remove wp from all maps. Once you enter a wvw map you CANNOT TRANSFER to another map for 2hours. It wont stop them from map hopping but at least when they do they will be stuck on a map for 2 hours
EDIT EDIT: even if deso and sfr combined forces it still wouldn’t be enough because of the TIME coverage – at peak times its very balanced. but vz only win due to their better 24/7 coverage

Under Web.2497:

I personally think anet dont give a hoot about wvw as in their eyes its only ‘casual’. Instead they let the community sort it out by transferring (and i would expect some real money to be involved with this). 9 months the game has been released- so much promise and potential at the beginning, shame its an epic fail now

EDIT: Vz only win due to superior numbers when the other servers are off peak and also the FACT that they map hop. CHANGE THIS. remove wp from all maps. Once you enter a wvw map you CANNOT TRANSFER to another map for 2hours. It wont stop them from map hopping but at least when they do they will be stuck on a map for 2 hours

PvD, another problem with a lot of nice proposals in the forum since month, just that nothing happens.
1) dynamic scoring, weight the score by the number of players in WvW
2) dynamic maps, only have as many maps active (can be entered, captured, count
for scoring) as 2 of the 3 server could fill with people, would solve the queue
problem as side-effect, if more than 4 maps are allowed in primetime

Ah the Vizunian curse! Thing is Vizunah are stacked like hell, and organized guilds don’t want to stack on another server to try defeat Vizunah because in order to do so the organized guilds will have to stand queues, something plenty of current WvW guilds don’t have in the mid/lower tiers.

We should just let T1 rot and hopefully the Vizunah players eventually realize how much their server and gameplay destroyed the EU WvW-bracket and they’ll spread over the different French servers and look for challenges and not stack on one single server for overkill.

Centrix.4065:

Fuzzion.2504:

Go and post this on your EU forums 0_o

Lol, Americans

Guy is a blowhard and not respected here either, please don’t consider him an example of all Americans.

Dayra.7405:

PvD, another problem with a lot of nice proposals in the forum since month, just that nothing happens.
1) dynamic scoring, weight the score by the number of players in WvW
2) dynamic maps, only have as many maps active (can be entered, captured, count
for scoring) as 2 of the 3 server could fill with people, would solve the queue
problem as side-effect, if more than 4 maps are allowed in primetime

To be honest with you PvDoor isnt the problem. We from Desolation dont play for points unlike NA servers. We play for fights! Unfortunately we dont get good fights anymore. When a Viz blob of 60+ comes across a group of 20 Desolations they run inside their towers/keeps and they have like million siege inside no joke. And when they get more reinforcement of 40+ more Viz zerg they decide to come out of their tower (now 100+ Viz Gigantic Blob) against 20 desolations and they eventually wipe us with the help of skill lag. like that wasn’t enough they then jump on our bodies like they achieved something great even though we were badly outnumbered 5:1.

We dont want to be in this tier anymore, you can ask any person from desolation. they will agree with me more or less.

It’s not going to happen as they like to be part of the server that win, even if they can’t fight much because of the queues. They aren’t looking for good fight, they only want to win, even if it’s boring.

Yesterday one their supposed top guild refused to GvG. At first it was because :
- The leader was faking afk, even if he was fighting us while leading his guild raid with the whole map following him
- After 15 min, a reply as they were not enough (20+ in a 80+ blob lol, while we were 27 from our guild and like 40+ on the map with the pugs)
- Then we couldn’t GvG because they had pugs on the map. Yeah, like it could stop the others guilds that did GvG in the past.
- Then it was because they would lose the whole borderland if we were to GvG. Yeah, like the 10+ pugs against the 60+ remaining Vizunah blob and the few desolation roamers would make it (we only had the first tower every 10min, as we kept losing it and taking it back).
- Then it was “maybe tomorrow”. Yeah, like we can trust a guild that fear the fight that much.
- Then from our part with no queue on every borderland + 5min queue on EB, we left them to PvD during prime time with their guild raid on a map against few isolated roamers xD

For SFR and desolation guilds, there is nothing left to fight in T1 exept blob and the few rares guilds that accept to leave the blob to fight. (If you are scared to GvG, you can still turn off your commander tag to try to not have an overwhelming number avantage against those you are fighting)

Honestly I feel no pity with Deso or SFR at all, you know what you were about to face when you entered T1. I still remember when ER was kinda stuck in T1 and when we were finally about to drop to T2, SFR purposely stopped fighting and lost, so that they had better preconditions for the WvW reset, which didn’t take place as we all know. Fortunately Jade is pushing this week, thus making us lose some more points. Actually I quite like the situation at the moment. T1 is stuck, but so is T2 and thats a good thing, because this way we have nice fights with Kodash and we’ll never have to face Vizunah again. I’d love Jade to move up a tier, but I guess that won’t happen. Maybe Piken will take their place once holidays are over…

Anyway, thats what you get, when you’re on an artificial bandwagon server, so now stop whining and live with it.

Do not think Jade Sea is anything different from Vizu. They might have 20% less active players but they mindlessly blob. They get destroyed during the day, but when the night comes they start maphopping with a hundred people at 3 am, crushing castles with 2 defenders using 15 golems…

laquito.5269:

Anyway, thats what you get, when you’re on an artificial bandwagon server, so now stop whining and live with it.

haha, well put. The next huge purge of the player base won’t happen til the next big name MMO is released and we all know what that is. When that happens a chunk of the playerbase will leave for good and a good pct of others playtime will drastically dwindle….leaving the rest to re-balance the structure of the tiers.

Thanks for the laugh guys :d

And the almighty VS with a gazillion players (yeah, there’s a limit of players on the map, but you know, we seem to have found a way to get around it and get even moar people to get into our 800-players bubble -oh, i forgot to mention other T1 Eu servers don’t blob. Ever.- ) is responsible for the downfall of the other servers.

Stop QQ’ing and get real. You came in wanting to kick us out of T1, you only managed to get us stronger at the end, sorry to let us win, because we’d never win if you didn’t wanted us to.

I hope all GvG guilds will stop kittening about WvW, where they have no place (open field combat and tower defence/cap is meant to happen, not limited group size duel), when the next patch will be released with the custom arenas.

Get yourself together and go fight in WvW, not here.

Teel.9036:

We should just let T1 rot and hopefully the Vizunah players eventually realize how much their server and gameplay destroyed the EU WvW-bracket

We see how bad this has become, don’t worry. But do not put the blame on us. SFR2.0 + free transfers created that monster.
The rest is wishful thinking and bedtime stories.

Just’d like to know what’s your definition of “good fight”.

Don’t forget the purpose of the thread guys, it’s not about who blobs what, or about the playstyle of certain servers. It’s about how impossible it is for two servers that obviously are trying to drop, to actually drop down a tier. There are other servers that as of now probably would put up a much better fight in tier 1 than Desolation or SFR would. The purpose of having tiers is so everyone can get as even fights as possible. If we have to let Vizunah get 10 times our score to drop down to tier 2, then something is terribly wrong.

Something has to be done. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to see that tier 1 EU is nowhere close to balanced at the moment. It’s a result of a steady loss of players and every week that goes by, the difference is playerbase gets bigger and bigger. And it’s only gonna get worse with time as the current situation doesn’t attract any new players either.

I am pretty sure I can speak for the majority of all three sides of the current tier 1 matchup when I say that we want new opponents. A matchup that isn’t decided on saturday morning would be nice for a change.

Muan.1029:

Just’d like to know what’s your definition of “good fight”.

We dont care about good fights anymore we just want to get out from this mess before T1 becomes dead. We lost alot of hardcore wvw guilds/players and everyday we are losing more and more guilds/players. thanks to the glicko rating system we cant go down. By the looks of it we are stuck in T1 for good with no servers from T2 wanting to move up. thats the problem.

i like desolation i dont want my server to die because of GLICKO! Anet please consider something. This is more important than the super adventure toy w/e its called.

If a server really wants to drop, just boycott WvW for one week.

Witzard.6829:

If a server really wants to drop, just boycott WvW for one week.

That is exactly what Desolation has been trying to do. Sure, people still play. But not for points, they barely defend anything at all and just go for the fights. This is the fourth week of this “boycott” now, there has been no progress. Nothing is happening, and there is no way you can tell everyone on a server to just stay away from WvW for a week and get zero points, it simply won’t happen.

Let me ask you one question. Would you rather consistantly blow out your two opponents every week, or would you rather actually have to fight hard to win?

Many of Elona decided to stay in T2 and stopped playing this week. Anyway, a T2 without a french nightcapping server would be great.

This is pretty pointless unless a 3rd server answers with ‘Yes’ to the following question.

Q: Do you want to fight Vizunah Sqare?

Since no one is really willing to do that, the whole EU ladder is a complete joke.
I have never witnessed an online game where every participant bar one actively refuses competition for top spot.

I know that most WvW enthusiasts still remaining on SFR would LOVE to have another go at VS once we’ve patched the holes in our ship. Because lets face it: we love VS ( still ) too much

Teel.9036:

Vizunah players eventually realize how much their server and gameplay destroyed the EU WvW-bracket and they’ll spread over the different French servers and look for challenges and not stack on one single server for overkill.

Teel, i like to talk with you, on pevepe.net or ingame or forum, no problem with it. But for this i do not agree. HOW can you say something like this when i see that:

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/65824/gw135.jpg

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/66428/gw029.jpg

How?! you are doing the exact thing you blame on your post, and it’s even worst because you make an imbalance on their server. I saw all the post and i read all. They talk about skill lag, blob, impossible to win because you have too much people at night. Do you think this is “good fight” this? You are doing the exactly same thing you blame us. Will you face the truth?

Our only error is playing the game at 200% like if there was no tomorrow. Dont blame us for being passionate my friend.

Witzard.6829:

If a server really wants to drop, just boycott WvW for one week.

Deso has been a ghosttown in WvW for weeks now. Between guilds flat out leaving, and the rest just not playing for points, we’re well into the forth week of trying to drop.

And the result? The gap between t1 and t2 has GROWN. Thats right, the winner of T2 loses more points then we do, even when they still win!

Tier1 is on deadlock. Servers cannot go down unless another superserver comes along and stomps tier2 for a month or so. At this point, thats not very likely. So in other words, Tier1 is stuck. We might aswell not even play at all and we still get more points then the winner of tier2…

That is why this system is inherently bankrupt.

Anatolian Turk.4057:

We dont care about good fights anymore we just want to get out from this mess before T1 becomes dead. We lost alot of hardcore wvw guilds/players and everyday we are losing more and more guilds/players. thanks to the glicko rating system we cant go down. By the looks of it we are stuck in T1 for good with no servers from T2 wanting to move up. thats the problem.

i like desolation i dont want my server to die because of GLICKO! Anet please consider something. This is more important than the super adventure toy w/e its called.

Agree, I don’t think the situation can currently get worse. So bad to see lots of guilds leaving SFR/Deso day after day, some of these matchups were the most entertaining I (and I think a lot of vizunians) had since AS drop T2.
Concerning T1, it died the day SFR’s – #webest #webeateveryone #otherservsyoubunchofnoobs – guilds & followers chose to whine instead of trying to deal with the new players.

cazza.6078:

Many of Elona decided to stay in T2 and stopped playing this week. Anyway, a T2 without a french nightcapping server would be great.

Thats the problem. There isnt even one sever from EU wanting to move to t1. For that reason we are dieing slowly. But i dont blame my Elona friends for not wanting to move up.

You cant deal with 3 hours q and mindless people. And right now t1 is dead but as much players fault it is anet too. For promoting the pvd playstyle and blob. Vz you just cant fight not in blob. It is hilarious when you run when you see me coming leading sfr force. Last night in Sfr bl again run everytime you see me wtf… cho vss and hup. You were on sfr bl. We are jsut playing for fun not caring for points. And if to be in t1 means to pvd and just fight the mindless blob I am ok with dropping from it. And actualy we were destroying everything before the free transfers. Anet destroyed the best wvw server in eu and na with those free transfers and this is the sad true story.

You can’t deal with 3 hours queue and mindless people? this only line resume all your fault. VS endured many hours of queue and educate beginners instead of blaming others and leave the serv.

People are not mindless chicken, they are like you. This false elitism, in an game without even esport, is ridiculous.