Guild Wars 2

Meta is cool. Like to play as guardian and use ts for coordination with commanders. Yeah, it is fun and competitive team play. Something that GW2 lacking a lot.

Queues are over the top. EotM designed around queues in WvW kinda ignored, there is no real point even to exercise there as commander right now. (do not say that queues will be ok in month or so, that is the same as say that WvW will be dead in a month or so)

So you get in the game mode after 1-2 hours of queue. (if you are not a boy without a job and life and play in prime time) And… every fight of 120-150+ people is skill lag cluster frack. Common 250 people on map in 2017 and we have this.

Why we even then have this queues, if servers isn’t holding anyway. Just let everyone in and disable all skills except 1.

I have to agree, this should have been thought through more carefully in order to upgrade servers or something prior to this. Today, prime day for playing, some BL’s have zero in que, and that’s after 1 week only. Biggest servers are also linked and smaller aren’t, and to me, something is wrong with the system. Players are so frustrated with zerg fights, zero skill, all bars flash, and 3 times I dc, and unable to get back and save my participation of 100% because now a que. This game is becoming increasingly stale for me, and maybe this is what I needed to just quit, gg Anet

Played since launch, wvw every day, and I just can’t get in anymore. I got no time to que for 2 hours every night. I got work and family. Played like 1 hours since patch. F’’k this

I pretty much gave up on the wvw game mode earlier this week. I can’t get into many maps and roaming isn’t fun anymore, just 50 man blobs chasing one guy, clueless tags, vampire pvers, toxic team chat (on all accounts), and lag preventing game play.

Like magnuzone, I have work and housing projects to do. This game use to be a nice break from all of that but it’s too frustrating to support and play.

Lost themselves a dedicated 4+ year wvw player in me.

As has been said on the forums several times already, give it a couple weeks and the queues will diminish a lot. I am already seeing it, even on reset nights.(It is getting earlier and earlier in the later hours after reset to find really small queues).

Of course, it might be different on T1. But, I have no desire to play on T1(have already for some length of time, and it is just mindless zerging all the time) And when I was on T1, queues seemed to be pretty constant and consistent.

And on T2/T3, roaming and small havoc squads are still a lot of fun. You just have to be a bit more careful and creative.

1) So thankful for the queues.. means people are playing wvw again.
2) Reduce graphics settings or you will get lag in large scale fights. We’ve all known this since like 2013.
3) ???
4) Profit.

Well I play on T1 – Gandara since launch. Just liked the name back then.
I do not want to pay for transfer to get full game experience.

I do not want new WvWvW players (“PvE scrubs”) to leave. I want them to play, learn their roles in game mode and improve. I want servers to be able to handle new influx of players, not scare them.

Right now it is like… why should I even bother queue up…
1. Backpack? Most of player-base never even crafted single legendary, why they would bother now.
2. Teamplay fun? Skill lag kills it.
3. Roamings? After 2 hour queue find yourself on blobbed border, flipping camps and watching every corner not to be sandwiched.
4. Oh yeah transmutations charges! Now I got like 70+.

Solution? Well simple.
1. Improve servers.
2. Design and implement additional fourth map for T1 matchups to cut queues (kinda EothM, but better and more WvWvW). It could be temporary map that appear for skirmish that have like more than 200 ppl in queue for a time period.

Thustlewhumber.7416:

2) Reduce graphics settings or you will get lag in large scale fights. We’ve all known this since like 2013.

How it is even tied to skill lag? Or you just never played 80 vs 80 vs 80 fights?

The game engine is designed around your CPU, not your graphics card. Every time someone comes into contact with you (ie – shows up on your screen) your CPU has to process every single thing they do, from their armor to their skills to their movements. Your CPU has to process that information, make a decision of what it is going to do with it, and then execute it. With every. Single. Person. Around you.

There are only two ways to make it faster: 1) Upgrade your CPU, or 2) Lower your graphics.

Those kinds of fights are rare and quite avoidable if you don’t want to participate in them.

I think the role of EotM should probably be reconsidered, but the core problems with the game mode have yet to be corrected so the fact is the current queues won’t last for that long. WvW will be dead again in a month or so.

Thustlewhumber.7416:

The game engine is designed around your CPU, not your graphics card. Every time someone comes into contact with you (ie – shows up on your screen) your CPU has to process every single thing they do, from their armor to their skills to their movements. Your CPU has to process that information, make a decision of what it is going to do with it, and then execute it. With every. Single. Person. Around you.

There are only two ways to make it faster: 1) Upgrade your CPU, or 2) Lower your graphics.

Oh that is really bad. Since I have relying a lot on top speed SSD, 32 gig RAM and decent GPU, and mu CPU is something like 4th gen i5. I think I was spoiled by Eve-Online and want to much from Anet in game mode that they never actually supported to begin with.

And about this fights… well they are every evening.

Wow you’ve been sucking for 5 years it seems…….

Thustlewhumber.7416:

The game engine is designed around your CPU, not your graphics card. Every time someone comes into contact with you (ie – shows up on your screen) your CPU has to process every single thing they do, from their armor to their skills to their movements. Your CPU has to process that information, make a decision of what it is going to do with it, and then execute it. With every. Single. Person. Around you.

There are only two ways to make it faster: 1) Upgrade your CPU, or 2) Lower your graphics.

Interesting, I recently got a 1070 gpu and I’m having a way better experience then when I was using a 960. My cpu has been the same for over 5 years.

Just take a small break till the pvers realise what kind of grind they have taken on. Couple of weeks and it should normalize again i’d guess.

Gw2 is heavy on the cpu, get a WC for the cpu and clock it.

clocked my 6700k to 5.4ghz, noticed a big diference.

Thustlewhumber.7416:

1) So thankful for the queues.. means people are playing wvw again.
2) Reduce graphics settings or you will get lag in large scale fights. We’ve all known this since like 2013.
3) ???
4) Profit.

Agreed. We have gone from people saying WvW is dead to WvW is full and can’t get in, I know I personally prefer it being full and difficult to get on a map I want, than getting in instantly only to find tumbleweed while roaming.
For those that really cant get in a map then you should consider moving to a server that has shorter queues (Hint my server)

Yakez.7561:

Meta is cool. Like to play as guardian and use ts for coordination with commanders. Yeah, it is fun and competitive team play. Something that GW2 lacking a lot.

Queues are over the top. EotM designed around queues in WvW kinda ignored, there is no real point even to exercise there as commander right now. (do not say that queues will be ok in month or so, that is the same as say that WvW will be dead in a month or so)

So you get in the game mode after 1-2 hours of queue. (if you are not a boy without a job and life and play in prime time) And… every fight of 120-150+ people is skill lag cluster frack. Common 250 people on map in 2017 and we have this.

Why we even then have this queues, if servers isn’t holding anyway. Just let everyone in and disable all skills except 1.

Although it is true that the game and its tech is outdated, your particular issue is particular to your server / link, and most likely has been made far worse then it needs to be by you and your “friends” transferring to it.

We have ques which come and go every half hour or so as well, but they are about 5-10 people and take around 5-10 min to get through. And even then its usually only EBG or 2 maps at most around prime times of given timezones (2 for us) that have the people to actually cause a que.

If you suffer from ques then you know the answer, destack, transfer lower and they disappear. If you are so hellbent on staying on overstacked server, well, then reap what you have sow for yourself.

Thustlewhumber.7416:

1) So thankful for the queues.. means people are playing wvw again.
2) Reduce graphics settings or you will get lag in large scale fights. We’ve all known this since like 2013.
3) ???
4) Profit.

If the query in the thread is about skill lag, you’re not going to get that profit. Sorry.

3rd week in, weekend Gandara
- 80+ EB queue check
- 50+ Borderland queue check
- skill lag check
- fun, no fun
- rewards, 1 ascended ring… check

Time to retire my celestial guard I think.

Transfer down and destack = no more queue

You guys are making me miss the days of suddenly finding myself face down in the dirt and the rumbling hooves of War Machine rendering three minutes later, lol.

I will interpret the thread:

Pre-patch: WvW is ignored. We have no cool shinies. There is hardly anyone to kill. It’s boring when there is nothing to flip. There are only 2 or 3 good servers….

Post-patch: It takes too long to get cool shinies. There are too many people in the queue. I keep getting ganked. Servers have too many people. Why can’t we hold onto our lands….

Close? Be careful what you ask for. Personally being about a 75% WvW’r i enjoy it more than ever but eh…. that’s just me.

I am having a blast in wvwvw lately. I am on Mag and absolutely love it. I get the frustration with queues though. That would annoy me as well. Reset night the queues are absolute hell but this week it seems to have settled down quite a bit. I just hop onto a BL until my EB queue pops if there is one.

Lady Deedra.3126:

I just hop onto a BL until my EB queue pops if there is one.

I think this is spot on. I used to go onto the BL for boring fast dailies then over to SMC where the action was but BL has become so much fun for me that if I don’t get to SMC it doesn’t matter. There is action all over now instead of one map.

Thustlewhumber.7416:

2) Reduce graphics settings or you will get lag in large scale fights. We’ve all known this

I never knew this because it’s so wrong. Server lag isn’t related to ingame FPS. Funny to see ppl think that still. You cannot do anything about it.

Timelord.8190:

Thustlewhumber.7416:

2) Reduce graphics settings or you will get lag in large scale fights. We’ve all known this

I never knew this because it’s so wrong. Server lag isn’t related to ingame FPS. Funny to see ppl think that still. You cannot do anything about it.

Server-end lag is server-end lag.

But if you reduce your graphics you can reduce the lag that’s happening because of your rig in big fights. It does help.

Lady Deedra.3126:

I am having a blast in wvwvw lately. I am on Mag and absolutely love it. I get the frustration with queues though.

Yea, but Mag does crush every server in WvW now, so other servers may not feel the same way.

The best way to handle skill lag is to put skills with no cast time on your bar (these tend to be shouts).
It is important to note that even the smallest cast time prevent the skill from firing – so these give no benefit over longer cast times.
Sadly, even some shouts have cast times, totally negating the use of these skills in laggy environments.

aka the 1st tier problem, solution: change home server

Jayne.9251:

Timelord.8190:

Thustlewhumber.7416:

2) Reduce graphics settings or you will get lag in large scale fights. We’ve all known this

I never knew this because it’s so wrong. Server lag isn’t related to ingame FPS. Funny to see ppl think that still. You cannot do anything about it.

Server-end lag is server-end lag.

But if you reduce your graphics you can reduce the lag that’s happening because of your rig in big fights. It does help.

Low FPS is not the same as lag. Low FPS is a PC problem. You can have high framerate and still experience lag. Lag is a network based problem.

Vicious.3042:

aka the 1st tier problem, solution: change home server

It’s not a ‘first tier problem’.

It’s Anet forcing any server out of its tier as well as the links, which have failed their ‘beta’ test.

Between the two, WvW is very unplayable 50-90% on any server most especially during NA Prime time on NA servers.

atheria.2837:

Vicious.3042:

aka the 1st tier problem, solution: change home server

It’s not a ‘first tier problem’.

It’s Anet forcing any server out of its tier as well as the links, which have failed their ‘beta’ test.

Between the two, WvW is very unplayable 50-90% on any server most especially during NA Prime time on NA servers.

This guy never left t1

atheria.2837:

Vicious.3042:

aka the 1st tier problem, solution: change home server

It’s not a ‘first tier problem’.

It’s Anet forcing any server out of its tier as well as the links, which have failed their ‘beta’ test.

Between the two, WvW is very unplayable 50-90% on any server most especially during NA Prime time on NA servers.

I recently just started playing again and I’ve waited less than 10 minutes for my preferred map. Meanwhile I played on another map in WvW. All during NA prime.

Maybe switch to lower servers. I’m on SBI.

Thustlewhumber.7416:

2) Reduce graphics settings or you will get lag in large scale fights. We’ve all known this since like 2013.

I am sorry to tell you this, but you are wrong. You can check it for example here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Official-state-of-skill-lag-and-server-optimizations/first

As you can see in 2013 already anet admitted “skill lag” problem is real and they were looking for ways to “relieve some of the load from the game server while there are large concentrations of players.” Why would they do that if in your opinion the problem is mainly client related?

Another thing is gpu and cpu have nothing to do with the skill lag as you claim in your 2 posts in this topic. You can run the game with some diagnostic tool turned on and you will see that there is no heavy workload for neither of them. If the problem would be gpu you would notice frame drops, and there are no frame drops. If it would be cpu’s fault you would be affected by freezes, and that doesn’t happen.

I think people don’t actually understand what the skill lag is. Last time I entered wvw some guy was claiming he is not affected by skill lag on his mac, because it is such a great computer. Hardware doesn’t mean anything in this case. You can have high end computer setup and play on lowest settings, you will still be affected by skill lag.

Skill lag, sometimes referred to as skill activation delay, affects only usage of the skills. It doesn’t cause freezes, it doesn’t cause frame drop. It simply doesn’t allow you to use skills, and skills activate with (sometimes few seconds) delay.

Skill lag is mostly noticeable when 3 zergs clash together, but that is not necessary, because the skill lag is mostly caused by conditions. Tracking every stack of condition separately is a huge load for the server. When you are affected by skill lag you don’t suffer from freezes and frame drops, everyone moves normally, you just cannot use your skills. I guess movement/player position is processed by different server than the skills execution/condis tracking? Or maybe some stuff has higher priority than the skill execution?

I don’t know how their backend looks like but your hardware configuration and isp have nothing to do with the skill lag. If your entire game freezes and you lose fps or see people disappearing and reappearing in different place meanwhile you move normally then yes, in that case you suffer because of your hardware or isp, but that has nothing to do with the skill lag.

Skill lag is not an input lag.

I don’t know how to explain in otherwise.

You can check it easily doing the following:
1. When affected by skill lag use a targeting teleport skill (like for example blink).
2. Cast it as far as you can running opposite direction (go out of range).
3. After few seconds you will notice the “out of range” message.
4. You aren’t affected by freezes, you aren’t affected by fps drops, yet your skill is executed with a delay.
5. Illuminati confirmed.

This means server receives your input, and registers it but executes it with a delay. Now you might be wondering why it happens that way. I am not entirely sure, but I guess the same server processes conditions. A lot of conditions means less resources to serve skill execution and it starts to queue them. So when you use a skill what happens is it gets thrown in the queue and you have to wait for its execution.

ThunderPanda.1872:

atheria.2837:

Vicious.3042:

aka the 1st tier problem, solution: change home server

It’s not a ‘first tier problem’.

It’s Anet forcing any server out of its tier as well as the links, which have failed their ‘beta’ test.

Between the two, WvW is very unplayable 50-90% on any server most especially during NA Prime time on NA servers.

This guy never left t1

What does that mean? I a not in Tier 1 – FC is currently linked into t2…

Tier’s matter – even if you don’t think so.

…And I am not a guy – good grief!

atheria.2837:

ThunderPanda.1872:

atheria.2837:

Vicious.3042:

aka the 1st tier problem, solution: change home server

It’s not a ‘first tier problem’.

It’s Anet forcing any server out of its tier as well as the links, which have failed their ‘beta’ test.

Between the two, WvW is very unplayable 50-90% on any server most especially during NA Prime time on NA servers.

This guy never left t1

What does that mean? I a not in Tier 1 – FC is currently linked into t2…

Tier’s matter – even if you don’t think so.

…And I am not a guy – good grief!

1. Tiers matter, I never said it doesn’t – it’s literally what I’m saying this whole time, so transfer down if you don’t like never ending queue

2. Noone cares if you’re a guy or girl or both or neither. Why would you even get offended? Just accept the fact you are on internet and no one knows anyone’s gender. Even if a person claims they’re are not a guy, one of the most important rule of internet states that everyone is a guy before proven otherwise. Because there exist people who likes attention. Also, should I put “this guy/girl” in everything? Would that mean I’m disrespecting people who are neither or both or whatever gender they associate themselves as? So please just leave this gender discussion out of literally the entire internet.

ThunderPanda.1872:

atheria.2837:

ThunderPanda.1872:

atheria.2837:

Vicious.3042:

aka the 1st tier problem, solution: change home server

It’s not a ‘first tier problem’.

It’s Anet forcing any server out of its tier as well as the links, which have failed their ‘beta’ test.

Between the two, WvW is very unplayable 50-90% on any server most especially during NA Prime time on NA servers.

This guy never left t1

What does that mean? I a not in Tier 1 – FC is currently linked into t2…

Tier’s matter – even if you don’t think so.

…And I am not a guy – good grief!

1. Tiers matter, I never said it doesn’t – it’s literally what I’m saying this whole time, so transfer down if you don’t like never ending queue

2. Noone cares if you’re a guy or girl or both or neither. Why would you even get offended? Just accept the fact you are on internet and no one knows anyone’s gender. Even if a person claims they’re are not a guy, one of the most important rule of internet states that everyone is a guy before proven otherwise. Because there exist people who likes attention. Also, should I put “this guy/girl” in everything? Would that mean I’m disrespecting people who are neither or both or whatever gender they associate themselves as? So please just leave this gender discussion out of literally the entire internet.

There are queues in the lowest of servers during NA Prime Time and most weekends
.

And please don’t lecture me about my gender, it does matter to me. Sorry your control freak attitude won’t allow me to be an adult woman on a game board. -sheesh

atheria.2837:

ThunderPanda.1872:

atheria.2837:

ThunderPanda.1872:

atheria.2837:

Vicious.3042:

aka the 1st tier problem, solution: change home server

It’s not a ‘first tier problem’.

It’s Anet forcing any server out of its tier as well as the links, which have failed their ‘beta’ test.

Between the two, WvW is very unplayable 50-90% on any server most especially during NA Prime time on NA servers.

This guy never left t1

What does that mean? I a not in Tier 1 – FC is currently linked into t2…

Tier’s matter – even if you don’t think so.

…And I am not a guy – good grief!

1. Tiers matter, I never said it doesn’t – it’s literally what I’m saying this whole time, so transfer down if you don’t like never ending queue

2. Noone cares if you’re a guy or girl or both or neither. Why would you even get offended? Just accept the fact you are on internet and no one knows anyone’s gender. Even if a person claims they’re are not a guy, one of the most important rule of internet states that everyone is a guy before proven otherwise. Because there exist people who likes attention. Also, should I put “this guy/girl” in everything? Would that mean I’m disrespecting people who are neither or both or whatever gender they associate themselves as? So please just leave this gender discussion out of literally the entire internet.

There are queues in the lowest of servers during NA Prime Time and most weekends
.

And please don’t lecture me about my gender, it does matter to me. Sorry your control freak attitude won’t allow me to be an adult woman on a game board. -sheesh

Well… weekends…. and outside of reset, you rarely get all 4 maps queued down here including weekends…. I rather have 1 or 2 maps queued on prime time than dead servers tyvm.

And since when am I lecturing about your gender? I’m just saying don’t bring it up, what are you even trying to prove by bringing it up? It means nothing to everyone.

Don’t just write WvW off as unplayable after seeing a massive queue on EB. EB clearly don’t need more people, having even more people would truly make it unplayable. Just start something else on a BL or something