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Posted by: HamBetwing.8397

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Hi all,

Lately i am not enjoying the game as much as i used to. This lies in the fact that whenever i hop on my vanilla classes to go into pvp or wvw, i get my kitten kicked by elite specialisations. I don’t wanna claim to be skilled, but whenever i use an elite spec myself i often do a LOT better vs the same opponents that beat me when i was on my vanilla. This can’t be a coincendence anymore after months of testing and trying.

The elite specs are too ‘elite’. At least in wvw and pvp they are. Why is it still like this and do the developers even notice this? Because i am sure that many other players think like this. At least a lot of my friends do.

Today is the last day for me to play this game since i just don’t enjoy it anylonger like this. I will give it another shot when they finally balance things out somehow. Cya maybe in a couple of years if the game is not dead yet and when they finally fix things.

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Posted by: Dawdler.8521

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We knew that HoT changed everything on the PvP scene the first week of release. If you cant accept that well no one is forcing you to keep playing. The game is what the game is.

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Posted by: Jim Hunter.6821

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Vanilla PU mesmer is still broken as kitten…. but yeah that’s about the only one that can compete with the specialisations.

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Posted by: Hesacon.8735

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I play a base necro instead of reaper and find it works better for the things I try to do with it. That said, I use HoT equipment (marauder’s gear) to do it.

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Posted by: Reverence.6915

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Vanilla guardian is probably better for zerging than DH (though with HoT runes/armor/weapons). Vanilla ele isn’t in a terrible spot. Vanilla mesmer, as stated above, is still ridiculous.

I just hope kitten like reaper, druid and scrapper specs get major changes in the future, they’re way too strong for what they do.

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Posted by: Jeknar.6184

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Core warrior (Str/Dis/Def) still pretty strong since the major warrior buff lie on the Defense trait line and not on Berserker itself. Sure, you won’t have the Headbutt “I-Win-Button”, but it still have all the defensive capabilities of Berserker while allowing you to have a similary strong buffs.

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Posted by: Infusion.7149

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Play guardian, warrior, ele (use arcane instead of tempest)

For ranger, engineer, rev, necro, mesmer, and thief most times you will want the elite spec

Scrapper (because rifle and pistol are meh), herald (the trait line for boon duration and might spam), reaper (use a staff and see the difference), daredevil (UC / Bound , Driven fortitude) are all powercreeped.

Alacrity was nerfed heavily or chrono would be as well; the clone and phantasm regeneration are still very strong compared to regular mesmers

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Posted by: Jeknar.6184

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Scrapper (because rifle and pistol are meh), herald (the trait line for boon duration and might spam), reaper (use a staff and see the difference), daredevil (UC / Bound , Driven fortitude) are all powercreeped.

Condi Engineers still viable with only Core Traits… You won’t take hammer for a condi build anyway. So you would be only taking scrapper if you want to pretend to be a thief and hide under stealth gyro. For power builds it’s a huge gain tho.

And Revenant require HoT anyway so you’ll hardly see a non Herald one.

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Posted by: RodOfDeath.5247

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I play a base necro instead of reaper and find it works better for the things I try to do with it. That said, I use HoT equipment (marauder’s gear) to do it.

Same here with death shroud but I can’t do the whole grinding or pve HoT for gear, I just don’t play that much anymore to show interest.

I think old school condi engi can hang with some classes as well.

Overall, I think the cooldowns are a bit weird with vanilla. As in way too long compared to the new hot ones. They should really take a look at the vanilla skills and adjust them but we all know they won’t to push their expansion and force the issue. Balance lol

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Posted by: Buy Some Apples.6390

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Yeah HoT was basically pay to win for WvW.

Afterall the only other thing HoT gave WvW was a map noone wanted!

So in order to make players buy HoT, they made it so HoT skills were OP to base. Cos you know, the expansion offered nothing else to WvW players.

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Posted by: joneirikb.7506

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Would like to see the Specializations tweked down to the Vanilla builds in power level. I expected them to be stronger at expansion launch, and then expected that they would tweak them (slowly) back to be even with the Vanilla builds. Obviously this has not happened.

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Posted by: Jim Hunter.6821

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Would like to see the Specializations tweked down to the Vanilla builds in power level. I expected them to be stronger at expansion launch, and then expected that they would tweak them (slowly) back to be even with the Vanilla builds. Obviously this has not happened.

They will a few months before the next expansion is ready to release, that way everyone will be forced to buy the new one or be under powered again.

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Posted by: Jayne.9251

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I actually reverted my Mesmer to vanilla and find I play better. Perhaps it just fits my play style. I have no issue with hot elites. Except Rangers. They’re my new thiefs to master, lol

Any rangers reading this, whisper me in games for duels pls.

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Posted by: HamBetwing.8397

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We knew that HoT changed everything on the PvP scene the first week of release. If you cant accept that well no one is forcing you to keep playing. The game is what the game is.

Of course i can’t accept that and of course i stop playing :p took me months to take this step though. Already playing other games right now ^^