Guild Wars 2

So, I reinstalled the game last night after taking a break for almost 2 years.
Figured the first thing I’d do is jump into WvW and see how things are. I will admit right now, I was pleasantly surprised by the number of players in WvW and immediately thought “This is gonna be AWESOME!!”

Unfortunately, I spent my entire 1.5 hours playing running around with a Zerg.. which is not what Im really disappointed about. You see, I have no issues with Zergs.. I think its the nature of Massive Epic scale pvp. Army vs Army. BUT, there lies the problem. It wasn’t Army vs Army. It was Army vs NPCs for 1.5 hours.
I saw the enemy zergs. I know there were MANY enemy players to fight.. but the game has reduced itself to running around in circles and capture as many empty objectives as fast as possibly while avoiding enemies.

WHY?

Simple… because thats the fastest way to get EXP and Karma. Why would players want to fight, when they can avoid each other and gain more exp and karma faster?

This really comes down to poor game mechanics. Capturing empty objectives should give next to no reward. The game should be able to keep track of when players are actually engaged in combat and proportionally increase the scale of the reward the bigger the battle is.

I know Heart of Thorns has “redesigned” borderlands maps, but players will find a way to maximize XP and Karma by finding ways to avoid each other in those new maps as well.

Anyways, this is my opinion. I know it doesn’t really matter what I think, but let me say this.. the PVE in this game is alot of fun. Never had so much fun just leveling a character. But for god’s sake, WvW should encourage PvP! in the 1.5 hours I played.. I fought against maybe 5 enemy players who happened to be stragglers at the wrong place at the wrong time. This is NOT the fun Epic Scale WvW pvp should be.

You are not alone in this. I enjoy battling as much as the next guy… and when a commander tags up and hits empty targets and avoids battles all together? I grow bored fast and log out.

I won’t call it bad commanding… but I will call the ones who engage better.

Hexin.5603:

You are not alone in this. I enjoy battling as much as the next guy… and when a commander tags up and hits empty targets and avoids battles all together? I grow bored fast and log out.

I won’t call it bad commanding… but I will call the ones who engage better.

I’m glad that i’m not alone in thinking this.. To be honest, I expected to be immediately shut down by the white knights. lol.

I can’t blame the commanders for trying to get their group as much XP and Karma as fast as possible. I just think this entire problem could be avoided if the rewards scaled up with the amount of PVP that was required to capture or defend an objective. Which would make large battles much more meaningful and encourage commanders to actually clash with the enemy zerg.

I’ve been in more player vs player fights in that new map since returning than the others where people are super serious over burning doors and that map is more interesting anyway so I’ve just been hanging out there mostly until the expansion and jump back over to the other maps to clean up dolyak dailies. I have seen one or two good fights in one of the border maps but trying to catch up to the zergs there before it’s all over means spending my short play time every day running instead of playing for maybe one shot at a large fight.

I feel your doing yourself a great dis-service if you are going to pass judgment on one experience, particularly when your out of practice and unfamiliar with the game, from time away. And clearly you made a judgment already, or this thread would not exist.

As well, I feel your very uninformed to claim players avoid each other.

A P.U.G. commanders job IS to guide the pugs to take all the real estate they can and defend what is important. The organized guild groups and guild pins will do the majority of the large fight defending or attacking in my experience. Either way it varies from encounter to encounter. No matter how you cut it, I feel your jumping the gun to judge, post, and complain, based on one experience, after being gone so long, and unfamiliar with who is who, what is going on, and where the action is.

Where you in your servers team speak?

I really like defending. I don’t really quite get the run around and take stuff and NOT defend what you take. It is fun to have my little guild of 4 beat off a zerg of 20. Or they break it and crush us. I like those fights. Using the siege and beau geste tactics. But I guess I am in the minority.

Darsh.3145:

So, I reinstalled the game last night after taking a break for almost 2 years.
Figured the first thing I’d do is jump into WvW and see how things are. I will admit right now, I was pleasantly surprised by the number of players in WvW and immediately thought “This is gonna be AWESOME!!”

Unfortunately, I spent my entire 1.5 hours playing running around with a Zerg.. which is not what Im really disappointed about. You see, I have no issues with Zergs.. I think its the nature of Massive Epic scale pvp. Army vs Army. BUT, there lies the problem. It wasn’t Army vs Army. It was Army vs NPCs for 1.5 hours.
I saw the enemy zergs. I know there were MANY enemy players to fight.. but the game has reduced itself to running around in circles and capture as many empty objectives as fast as possibly while avoiding enemies.

WHY?

Simple… because thats the fastest way to get EXP and Karma. Why would players want to fight, when they can avoid each other and gain more exp and karma faster?

This really comes down to poor game mechanics. Capturing empty objectives should give next to no reward. The game should be able to keep track of when players are actually engaged in combat and proportionally increase the scale of the reward the bigger the battle is.

I know Heart of Thorns has “redesigned” borderlands maps, but players will find a way to maximize XP and Karma by finding ways to avoid each other in those new maps as well.

Anyways, this is my opinion. I know it doesn’t really matter what I think, but let me say this.. the PVE in this game is alot of fun. Never had so much fun just leveling a character. But for god’s sake, WvW should encourage PvP! in the 1.5 hours I played.. I fought against maybe 5 enemy players who happened to be stragglers at the wrong place at the wrong time. This is NOT the fun Epic Scale WvW pvp should be.

That is what i say too: Pve is challenge and Fun: Wvw not at all You are also correct with everything else.

On each given server, you have commanders that lead fighting groups, and you have commanders who’s objectives (jobs) is to take real estate and gain ppt for the server. Don’t judge a server, or the whole game for that matter, based on you coming back after being gone for 2 years and following a pugmander.

Try getting to know your server better, get to know which commanders lead the GvG and open field fights. I can tell you on many servers (Jade Quarry for an example), no commander runs the karma train for the sake of getting exp and karma. People go to EOTM for that kind of stuff, as all uplevels are encouraged to stay out of WvW and play in EOTM instead. You may find a pugmander who’s goal is to flip keeps & towers so the server ticks good ppt. But that pugmander isn’t out for exp & karma hunting.

Also note the DAY of the week. This is Thursday, reset day is tomorrow. Overwhelming majority of the servers stop pushing & fighting by today. Why? Because the points are likely already set, they can’t make much of a difference within 1 day before the reset. So Thursday night & Fridays are when you see most of karma training unless you have 2 servers very close in points and want to edge out another. This is also the day people relax and chill a bit, many guilds would run something funky like an all warrior raid, or a pirate ship raid or something different just for fun.

So, I agree with coglin above, don’t come back after being gone for 2 years, then pretend to know your server or the game playing just once following one commander. If you get to know your server, you should be able to find some guilds and commanders that don’t care to work ppt but focus more on fights. Also the server you are on matters. If you’re on a server with less WvW activity, then they may be running karma trains because there’s really no action during that timezone. Some servers are more active during a certain timezones only.

Anyways, there’s plenty of battles to be had. Don’t be discouraged by one pugmander experience.

gavyne.6847:

On each given server, you have commanders that lead fighting groups, and you have commanders who’s objectives (jobs) is to take real estate and gain ppt for the server. Don’t judge a server, or the whole game for that matter, based on you coming back after being gone for 2 years and following a pugmander.

Try getting to know your server better, get to know which commanders lead the GvG and open field fights. I can tell you on many servers (Jade Quarry for an example), no commander runs the karma train for the sake of getting exp and karma. People go to EOTM for that kind of stuff, as all uplevels are encouraged to stay out of WvW and play in EOTM instead. You may find a pugmander who’s goal is to flip keeps & towers so the server ticks good ppt. But that pugmander isn’t out for exp & karma hunting.

Also note the DAY of the week. This is Thursday, reset day is tomorrow. Overwhelming majority of the servers stop pushing & fighting by today. Why? Because the points are likely already set, they can’t make much of a difference within 1 day before the reset. So Thursday night & Fridays are when you see most of karma training unless you have 2 servers very close in points and want to edge out another. This is also the day people relax and chill a bit, many guilds would run something funky like an all warrior raid, or a pirate ship raid or something different just for fun.

So, I agree with coglin above, don’t come back after being gone for 2 years, then pretend to know your server or the game playing just once following one commander. If you get to know your server, you should be able to find some guilds and commanders that don’t care to work ppt but focus more on fights. Also the server you are on matters. If you’re on a server with less WvW activity, then they may be running karma trains because there’s really no action during that timezone. Some servers are more active during a certain timezones only.

Anyways, there’s plenty of battles to be had. Don’t be discouraged by one pugmander experience.

When I played alot 2 years ago, all I did was WvW. I don’t need to play more to notice that nothing’s changed. Its exactly the same as it was 2 years ago. And imo, this is a very sad thing.

-Im not saying the game is bad,
-I’m merely stating my opinion about the mechanics in WvW based on my past experiences in addition to the short experience I had when I jumped back into WvW for 1.5 hours.
-Im not saying its always like this.. As a matter of fact, I know that many guilds organize GvG in WvW and I quite honestly commend the community for taking it upon themselves to do something that should be implemented in the game.. yet still isn’t.
- I know that some nights are great and full of pvp combat, I remember playing and having some awesome large scale epic battles. BUT, that being said, more often than not, the players don’t have to engage in pvp and the game does not reward pvp in WvW. This is the issue. It equally rewards capping deserted keeps and towers. THIS is my problem. You can’t deny these facts.

Honestly sounds like you have a bad server.

This isn’t a problem I have on Gunnar’s Hold.

Sure, if you log in suring the middle of the day when 15 people are online it’s mostly PvD.. But in prime time there’s lots going on in EB and our BL.

What server ? What time zone? What map?

We have our ppt people for sure, but running from a sighted Zerg seems eotmish to me…..

Heavy Loot bags… that’s the reward. Heavy loot bags a plenty. When you get some engagements. But I heard on comms last night someone purposely avoiding a certain server last night and was like wtfbbq? Even though everyone said to hit that person, commandeer headed the other way, en route to get his followers basically farmed. Definitely the one off situation, as I’ve never seen any other commander pull crap like that.

Funny that this posting came up the next day… what server are you on Darsh?

I’d say most people in WvW on active servers are in it for the fights, to win for the server, and the loot bags. Nobody really cares about exp or karma unless you’re an uplevel yourself. By the way, are you an uplevel?

I’m on Fort Aspenwood, and I’m lvl 80. =)

I have been fighting fa for months – never seen them run – in fact usually blob you down ( NA prime anyway). If you are on when ra me and forget the third cn guild is on – it is pvd because SOS and YB don’t have the coverage…… If it is eotm, that isn’t really wvw and is 1 big karma train.

This sounds more like a critique of your commander than anything else.

To be honest, there are many commanders on a variety of servers who do nothing but hunt down enemy zergs in order to fight them.

In my experience, most of the problem is that there are not enough veteran commanders who know how to lead people into battle effectively. By effectively, I mean they know how to engage an enemy in the field, and come out alive with most of their players.

There are PLENTY of commanders who know how to siege structures, how to map politick, and how to keep a karma train/ solid PPT going.

They’re two different sides of WvW. One is about “winning” and the other is about fun.

Darsh.3145:

gavyne.6847:

On each given server, you have commanders that lead fighting groups, and you have commanders who’s objectives (jobs) is to take real estate and gain ppt for the server. Don’t judge a server, or the whole game for that matter, based on you coming back after being gone for 2 years and following a pugmander.

Try getting to know your server better, get to know which commanders lead the GvG and open field fights. I can tell you on many servers (Jade Quarry for an example), no commander runs the karma train for the sake of getting exp and karma. People go to EOTM for that kind of stuff, as all uplevels are encouraged to stay out of WvW and play in EOTM instead. You may find a pugmander who’s goal is to flip keeps & towers so the server ticks good ppt. But that pugmander isn’t out for exp & karma hunting.

Also note the DAY of the week. This is Thursday, reset day is tomorrow. Overwhelming majority of the servers stop pushing & fighting by today. Why? Because the points are likely already set, they can’t make much of a difference within 1 day before the reset. So Thursday night & Fridays are when you see most of karma training unless you have 2 servers very close in points and want to edge out another. This is also the day people relax and chill a bit, many guilds would run something funky like an all warrior raid, or a pirate ship raid or something different just for fun.

So, I agree with coglin above, don’t come back after being gone for 2 years, then pretend to know your server or the game playing just once following one commander. If you get to know your server, you should be able to find some guilds and commanders that don’t care to work ppt but focus more on fights. Also the server you are on matters. If you’re on a server with less WvW activity, then they may be running karma trains because there’s really no action during that timezone. Some servers are more active during a certain timezones only.

Anyways, there’s plenty of battles to be had. Don’t be discouraged by one pugmander experience.

When I played alot 2 years ago, all I did was WvW. I don’t need to play more to notice that nothing’s changed. Its exactly the same as it was 2 years ago. And imo, this is a very sad thing.

Well at least you showed us your true agenda. Says a lot when you essentially claim there is nothing you do not know. Then go on to claim you saw it all in one night in which you were neither in a guild or voice coms with the server.

It is very obvious you came here with a negative agenda, otherwise, you would have invested a reasonable amount of time to make a reasonable judgment. Rather, you preferred to Nonspecifically bash the fun and base it on a what? 2 hours? With no friends, guild or voice comms. Kind of sad in my opinion.

coglin.1867:

Darsh.3145:

gavyne.6847:

On each given server, you have commanders that lead fighting groups, and you have commanders who’s objectives (jobs) is to take real estate and gain ppt for the server. Don’t judge a server, or the whole game for that matter, based on you coming back after being gone for 2 years and following a pugmander.

Try getting to know your server better, get to know which commanders lead the GvG and open field fights. I can tell you on many servers (Jade Quarry for an example), no commander runs the karma train for the sake of getting exp and karma. People go to EOTM for that kind of stuff, as all uplevels are encouraged to stay out of WvW and play in EOTM instead. You may find a pugmander who’s goal is to flip keeps & towers so the server ticks good ppt. But that pugmander isn’t out for exp & karma hunting.

Also note the DAY of the week. This is Thursday, reset day is tomorrow. Overwhelming majority of the servers stop pushing & fighting by today. Why? Because the points are likely already set, they can’t make much of a difference within 1 day before the reset. So Thursday night & Fridays are when you see most of karma training unless you have 2 servers very close in points and want to edge out another. This is also the day people relax and chill a bit, many guilds would run something funky like an all warrior raid, or a pirate ship raid or something different just for fun.

So, I agree with coglin above, don’t come back after being gone for 2 years, then pretend to know your server or the game playing just once following one commander. If you get to know your server, you should be able to find some guilds and commanders that don’t care to work ppt but focus more on fights. Also the server you are on matters. If you’re on a server with less WvW activity, then they may be running karma trains because there’s really no action during that timezone. Some servers are more active during a certain timezones only.

Anyways, there’s plenty of battles to be had. Don’t be discouraged by one pugmander experience.

When I played alot 2 years ago, all I did was WvW. I don’t need to play more to notice that nothing’s changed. Its exactly the same as it was 2 years ago. And imo, this is a very sad thing.

Well at least you showed us your true agenda. Says a lot when you essentially claim there is nothing you do not know. Then go on to claim you saw it all in one night in which you were neither in a guild or voice coms with the server.

It is very obvious you came here with a negative agenda, otherwise, you would have invested a reasonable amount of time to make a reasonable judgment. Rather, you preferred to Nonspecifically bash the fun and base it on a what? 2 hours? With no friends, guild or voice comms. Kind of sad in my opinion.

2 hours of running around without significant pvp in a WvW map filled with players is a pretty long time! You can pretend like this never happens and ignore the problem, or you can be honest with yourself and acknowledge that there could be a better way and help the game get better. I prefer the latter, because when ppl defend stuff that is clearly bad, then it doesn’t improve. And I like improvement.

Instead of saying “well your commander this” or “your commander that” or “ah well you weren’t in TS” this is all besides the point. The point is. ppl are capturing Empty bases. This is boring. This should not happen. Period. And there are ways to make things better.

Darsh.3145:

coglin.1867:

Darsh.3145:

gavyne.6847:

On each given server, you have commanders that lead fighting groups, and you have commanders who’s objectives (jobs) is to take real estate and gain ppt for the server. Don’t judge a server, or the whole game for that matter, based on you coming back after being gone for 2 years and following a pugmander.

Try getting to know your server better, get to know which commanders lead the GvG and open field fights. I can tell you on many servers (Jade Quarry for an example), no commander runs the karma train for the sake of getting exp and karma. People go to EOTM for that kind of stuff, as all uplevels are encouraged to stay out of WvW and play in EOTM instead. You may find a pugmander who’s goal is to flip keeps & towers so the server ticks good ppt. But that pugmander isn’t out for exp & karma hunting.

Also note the DAY of the week. This is Thursday, reset day is tomorrow. Overwhelming majority of the servers stop pushing & fighting by today. Why? Because the points are likely already set, they can’t make much of a difference within 1 day before the reset. So Thursday night & Fridays are when you see most of karma training unless you have 2 servers very close in points and want to edge out another. This is also the day people relax and chill a bit, many guilds would run something funky like an all warrior raid, or a pirate ship raid or something different just for fun.

So, I agree with coglin above, don’t come back after being gone for 2 years, then pretend to know your server or the game playing just once following one commander. If you get to know your server, you should be able to find some guilds and commanders that don’t care to work ppt but focus more on fights. Also the server you are on matters. If you’re on a server with less WvW activity, then they may be running karma trains because there’s really no action during that timezone. Some servers are more active during a certain timezones only.

Anyways, there’s plenty of battles to be had. Don’t be discouraged by one pugmander experience.

When I played alot 2 years ago, all I did was WvW. I don’t need to play more to notice that nothing’s changed. Its exactly the same as it was 2 years ago. And imo, this is a very sad thing.

Well at least you showed us your true agenda. Says a lot when you essentially claim there is nothing you do not know. Then go on to claim you saw it all in one night in which you were neither in a guild or voice coms with the server.

It is very obvious you came here with a negative agenda, otherwise, you would have invested a reasonable amount of time to make a reasonable judgment. Rather, you preferred to Nonspecifically bash the fun and base it on a what? 2 hours? With no friends, guild or voice comms. Kind of sad in my opinion.

2 hours of running around without significant pvp in a WvW map filled with players is a pretty long time! You can pretend like this never happens and ignore the problem, or you can be honest with yourself and acknowledge that there could be a better way and help the game get better. I prefer the latter, because when ppl defend stuff that is clearly bad, then it doesn’t improve. And I like improvement.

Instead of saying “well your commander this” or “your commander that” or “ah well you weren’t in TS” this is all besides the point. The point is. ppl are capturing Empty bases. This is boring. This should not happen. Period. And there are ways to make things better.

So you chose to run around with the group who was hunting real estate, while you completely avoided the groups looking for fights, and claim others are ignoring something? Sorry, don’t buy it.

What is worse, is you admit to having not played in years, then go on to post here and lecture everyone else about the experience. You do not have a clue what the experience should be, because you haven’t been here to know.

You can ignore the facts all you like, but as a general rule, TS is part of the experience. If you ignore it, and miss out on part of the meta experience, that is on you.

Then you go on to tell us what fun is. At this point, I feel you are confusing subjective opinion with objective fact.

When you get your Anet tag to wear in game, perhaps then you would have the ground to declare what should or should not happen. Until then, you really have neither the right, nor the experience to claim to tell the rest of us something should never happen.

Fights are generally a bi product of capturing enemy objectives. If your in a certain map and no one is coming to stop you … encourage the commander to go for their keep. 9 times out of 10 … you’ll get your fight.

EDIT: Please note, that I do enjoy the engagements more than capping stuff … but sometimes it really is tough to get a good battle going.

@coglin.1867
Wow.. White Knight much? lol.

-First of all, the experience hasn’t changed in 2 years. This is a fact.
- I didn’t “Chose” to run around in a group who was hunting real estate. I tried several groups and went to several “Contested” keeps / towers, objectives, only to observe that every fight was one sided.
-I’m not lecturing anyone. Simply stating that my Opinion is that WvW could be better and why. If anything, you’re lecturing me about my opinion. lol
-I couldn’t care less what YOU think of my opinion, so why waste your breath?
-The fact that you believe that just because I’ve been away for 2 years means I suddenly don’t know anything about WvW proves that you are extremely narrow minded and ignorant… Because remember, NOTHING changed! Or maybe I missed something.. Maybe there’s some new mechanic ANET has added to WvW since launch? Oh wait. no.. there isn’t..
-The point is, the very fact that a zerg could be running around for the single purpose of capturing real estate and avoid combat is a huge flaw. One thats been present since Launch. I didn’t need to play for more than 2 hours to see that its still a problem.

Hexin.5603:

Fights are generally a bi product of capturing enemy objectives. If your in a certain map and no one is coming to stop you … encourage the commander to go for their keep. 9 times out of 10 … you’ll get your fight.

EDIT: Please note, that I do enjoy the engagements more than capping stuff … but sometimes it really is tough to get a good battle going.

I agree 100%, I just find it unfortunate that its up to the players / commanders to decide to go find those fights.. when a good well designed game Mechanic would let it happen on its own. Another issue is, there is no real reason to “defend” towers and keeps and to upgrade them. There is no real sense of “Ownership”.

Some ppl would rather let the keep fall, and capture something else in the meantime and go back to the keep once the enemies have moved on. Which is also why ppl don’t bother spending too much into upgrading them.

Hamster.4861:

This sounds more like a critique of your commander than anything else.

To be honest, there are many commanders on a variety of servers who do nothing but hunt down enemy zergs in order to fight them.

In my experience, most of the problem is that there are not enough veteran commanders who know how to lead people into battle effectively. By effectively, I mean they know how to engage an enemy in the field, and come out alive with most of their players.

There are PLENTY of commanders who know how to siege structures, how to map politick, and how to keep a karma train/ solid PPT going.

They’re two different sides of WvW. One is about “winning” and the other is about fun.

Have you ever considered the fact that some people might actually enjoy PPT and playing to win?

Darsh.3145:

@coglin.1867
Wow.. White Knight much? lol.

-First of all, the experience hasn’t changed in 2 years. This is a fact.
- I didn’t “Chose” to run around in a group who was hunting real estate. I tried several groups and went to several “Contested” keeps / towers, objectives, only to observe that every fight was one sided.
-I’m not lecturing anyone. Simply stating that my Opinion is that WvW could be better and why. If anything, you’re lecturing me about my opinion. lol
-I couldn’t care less what YOU think of my opinion, so why waste your breath?
-The fact that you believe that just because I’ve been away for 2 years means I suddenly don’t know anything about WvW proves that you are extremely narrow minded and ignorant… Because remember, NOTHING changed! Or maybe I missed something.. Maybe there’s some new mechanic ANET has added to WvW since launch? Oh wait. no.. there isn’t..
-The point is, the very fact that a zerg could be running around for the single purpose of capturing real estate and avoid combat is a huge flaw. One thats been present since Launch. I didn’t need to play for more than 2 hours to see that its still a problem.

I’ll try and respond to this line by line.

“-First of all, the experience hasn’t changed in 2 years. This is a fact.”

That is not a fact. Either you meant that your experience hasn’t changed in 2 years, or you were expressing your opinion.

“- I didn’t “Chose” to run around in a group who was hunting real estate. I tried several groups and went to several “Contested” keeps / towers, objectives, only to observe that every fight was one sided."

Honestly, that can happen just randomly sometimes in WvW. I was on last night for 2 hours and had nothing but great fights, other nights I’ve been on and it’s fairly lopsided/boring. It happens.

“-I’m not lecturing anyone. Simply stating that my Opinion is that WvW could be better and why. If anything, you’re lecturing me about my opinion. lol”

I think the issue is that the manner in which you are expressing your opinion is somewhat patronizing, and has an air of invalidating other people’s opinions (see the first point I quoted from you above). Whether you intended it or not, this is how you are coming across.

“-I couldn’t care less what YOU think of my opinion, so why waste your breath? "

Then why did you post your opinion on the forums?

“-The fact that you believe that just because I’ve been away for 2 years means I suddenly don’t know anything about WvW proves that you are extremely narrow minded and ignorant… Because remember, NOTHING changed! Or maybe I missed something.. Maybe there’s some new mechanic ANET has added to WvW since launch? Oh wait. no.. there isn’t..”

There are actually quite a few changes ANet has made to WvW since launch.

“-The point is, the very fact that a zerg could be running around for the single purpose of capturing real estate and avoid combat is a huge flaw. One thats been present since Launch. I didn’t need to play for more than 2 hours to see that its still a problem.”

There was a problem closer to launch of groups running around WvW solely for the purpose of acquiring karma and gold, and avoiding pvp combat, yes. These groups have now mostly migrated to the newest WvW-related map, Edge of the Mists (which was added during the time you were gone, I should add), because it is significantly easier and more acceptable for them to karma train there than it is in regular WvW (EotM doesn’t count toward your world’s score, so it is thought to be a more casual WvW environment).

If you encountered a group doing that in regular WvW on Fort Aspenwood (either on one of the borderlands or the eternal battlegrounds map), I can assure you, they are only doing that to provoke fights and increase their world’s score, which often go hand in hand. If they just wanted to karma train, they would go to EotM, it is far, far easier to do there.

Coglin include other Toxic Behavior Player!

So you are the ONLY one who always know what is right for player? So you are the only ONE who always know what Fun is? So you are the only one who always know everything? What is wrong with you Coglin? You go around in forum and humiliate player and make them feel horrible just because they do not agree with you.

I will not read this and pretend what you are doing is ok Coglin! You did this too me also many time and doing same to Op and i am frustrate and will comment to you.

I do not understand why Arena net allow your Toxic behavior in the foum? I am very serious!! Yes!, what you are doing is also call Bully. You bully player who is not like you: who do not think like you and who is different than you. You need to learn that NO ONE IS YOU BUT YOU!!

I do not understand why your Toxic behavior is ok in the forum because if it was in the other game forum i play in would not tolerate Toxic behavior in their forum at all.

“Toxic Behavior Warning Signs”

1. Always needs to be right – can’t ever be wrong.
2. Obsessive negative thinking
3. Everything has to be their way. There is no room for other people to influence the decision. No compromising
4. Chaotic emotional life. Emotional outbursts. Temper-tantrums.
5. Manipulative and exploitative. Needs to feel in control of other people.
6. Making superficial judgments about others.
7. Cruelty (or lacking empathy and compassion)- Speaks Ill of Others.
8. Insults. The need to insult others on purpose so you can feel good about yourself.
9. Has trouble accepting and respecting other people’s decisions and may use guilt to try to influence others to change their decision.
10. Needing constant validation, attention and reassurance.
11. Cutting moral corners simply because you can.
12. Hiding your truth.
13. Being a stubborn perfectionist- Always highly critical of others and controlling.

Toxic Behavior Should Not! Be Tolerate In The Forum !

It’s not toxic because coglin has always defended anet.

You can see it in the all the other forums, post something nice about the devs and they jump in to say thanks, say something bad about the game and how they could solve it, and you are ignored and people like coglin and lordkrall show up.

Sorry but you cannot improve anything if you only listen to the good things about your product. To improve it you need to find the bad things and fix them!

Darsh.3145:

@coglin.1867
Wow.. White Knight much? lol.

-First of all, the experience hasn’t changed in 2 years. This is a fact.

I do not think fact means what you think it means. I would be willing to bet I could list 10-20 things added or removed to WvW that you have no clue about.

Why don’t you detail what you feel about the orb changes while you were gone.
Explain what bloodlust was then versus now?
What do you think of the siege changes?

You clearly confuse subjective opinion with objective fact.

Darsh.3145:

- I didn’t “Chose” to run around in a group who was hunting real estate. I tried several groups and went to several “Contested” keeps / towers, objectives, only to observe that every fight was one sided.

Wait, previously you stated you encountered no enemies to battle at all. Now your changing your story.

Darsh.3145:

-I’m not lecturing anyone. Simply stating that my Opinion is that WvW could be better and why. If anything, you’re lecturing me about my opinion. lol

I agree, you are not lecturing. You were making demand.
You said “This is boring. This should not happen. Period”. That is not an opinion, it is a claim.

Darsh.3145:

-I couldn’t care less what YOU think of my opinion, so why waste your breath?

You haven’t really made an opinion as far as I can tell. You made statements and demands. I am not wasting my breath. That is a speaking reference, I am typing. If you do not care less, why the multiple replies?

Darsh.3145:

-The fact that you believe that just because I’ve been away for 2 years means I suddenly don’t know anything about WvW proves that you are extremely narrow minded and ignorant… Because remember, NOTHING changed! Or maybe I missed something.. Maybe there’s some new mechanic ANET has added to WvW since launch? Oh wait. no.. there isn’t..

By all means, quote the portion of my post where I specifically stated you “know nothing about WvW.” I do feel it is odd that you demand how they had fun, should never happen, then call me names for suggesting you get a more informed opinion through a longer period of experience.

Darsh.3145:

-The point is, the very fact that a zerg could be running around for the single purpose of capturing real estate and avoid combat is a huge flaw. One thats been present since Launch. I didn’t need to play for more than 2 hours to see that its still a problem.

How so? The score that ranks your server is based on time of posses per property. It generally does induce fights. The real question is, why didn’t you pin up, and lead a group to be proactive and fight the players flipping your keeps?