Guild Wars 2

Coming from a server who could end up at either the bottom of League 1 or the top of League 2, I have a huge issue with the upcoming WvW leagues and how they will be implemented.

Should my server end up in League 1, that means we’ll have to play against BG, SoR, JQ, TC, etc. etc. This could potentially happen in consecutive weeks, leaving my server in the position of getting farmed for up to 7 weeks. And at times, this may make the new WvW achievements no fun to complete, if not full out impossible.

On the flip side we could end up in League 2, meaning we could be playing against tier 7 and 8 servers, which we have no business playing against because of the huge difference in numbers. We’ll likely run them into the ground because players on my server will be looking for something to take the whole week. This could go on for weeks, and we’d likely stomp most of the opposing servers in League 2, should that be where we end up.

I’m sure my point is clear: a guaranteed match up against each of 11 other servers is horrendous. As an avid, adoring fan of WvW since BWE #1 – who is not unfamiliar with playing against unlikely odds – this is something that makes me think I’d want to walk away from the game. There is nothing enjoyable about running from zergs (which is why I’ve transferred out of T1 more than once) and getting farmed, or even being the one who wildly outnumbers the opposition. I only play GW2 for WvW, and I might as well not log in if we are against certain servers at either end of the population spectrum.

There is no challenge in outnumbering the opposition by that much, and no hope of fighting against such a more numerous foe. And the one thing I know most WvWers want is an even challenge.

I don’t understand the decision to implement such large leagues. If I log on to see us playing against a T1 server, I doubt I’ll log in. I know what awaits me. Even the largest zergs my server can muster won’t compare to what they can field. And playing against T8 servers doesn’t seem fun for myself or for them.

Please consider making leagues of 6, as the population imbalances are too large for 12 server leagues. I would go farther to say that no leagues at all should be considered as well. I am really failing to see how this is good for anyone.

But don’t you want to test your skill against higher tiered servers? LOL

The whole league idea is a mistake. Creating leagues with a 12 rank disparity between the highest and lowest servers is just ridiculous.

unless they implement alliances to match numbers, leagues will be a complete fail. lets say fa gets matched up with jq and sor, fa would need an alliance with either db or tc to match sor and jq would need a t4 -t6 server as an alliance. if mag gets matched up with tc, they would need either fa or better db (due to sea coverage) as an alliance or a t5 and another t3 server to compensate…

well plus we need a ton of fixes before leagues can actually work for wvw:

-skill lag
-lag
-exploits
-balance(balance classes not on spvp)
-siege
-siege masteries(a lot of them are too strong for current map setups and keep upgrades cant keep up with the masteries)

I have yet to see a single positive response to the proposed league system on these forums. Yet they still want to push through with it.

Sometimes you should listen to your customers and players. We’re not always wrong.

My guess is the change was already in the pipe and headed our way before they announced it so our displeasure with the system has little to no bearing on the situation. I am sure also sure they believe they have a series of changes that will mitigate the disparity but I am not holding my breath on that one.

Ultimately they must think this system has a chance to be fun for most WvW players but given the track record in WvW so far… still not holding my breath…. and sadly I am a big fan and fairly forgiving as a dev myself.

everyone make sure you have your popcorn ready when the leagues go live…because it is going to be a HUGE fail. The forums are going to go crazy and map chat is going to be hilarious. Seriously though, after spending three weeks matched up against FA, and then on the third week getting TC also, it really put the servers in perspective for me. In the first two weeks FA blasted us, but then in week 3 TC blasted FA (purely from a score perspective, which is what leagues is all about). So can you imagine if we get put in the gold league and we get matched up against SOR, JQ, or BG…..like what the actual f__k. How this got any sort of approval is beyond me.
SOR, JQ, or BG is going to win the league