Guild Wars 2

Once again, focusing on fights versus lvl80’s.

Yet another video, this one is a little different from the other WvW vids. The 1st half shows some of the encounter I’ve had with Dragonband and Crystal Desert in the jumping puzzle area (Eternal Battlegrounds). Don’t worry though, the 2nd half has some more massacres of Henge.

Only the 1st half of the weekend wasn’t full of unbearable lag in Eternal BG, but it was enough to get some footage. E-BG is actually a tough one to film because of the server-side lag that occurs from the constant large-scale combat, but I’ll look into filming more of it later.

Have to admit, some great kills there. I play a thief too but favor dagger dagger.

I noticed you basically use the number 1 ability with the cloak and dagger for finishing moves (ignoring the use of tactical abilities tho) while your positioning and evading is superb it does seem as tho you one key-kill stuff. Great video tho, nice to see you bring down a number of HoD vs 1 :p they are not huge threat without their zerg. Great vid, thanks for posting.

Curious tho, how are you specced? Full power and crit? and what kind of weapons you using? Always interested in how to better my own thief.

Killing HoD players 1v1 2v1 3v1 as a cond theif isn’t a big deal.
Spam 1 stealth when needed = win.

You cant kill someone you cant see, while you continue to take damage. Which is why the thief is rather OP right now and everyone has one in spvp and more are rolling them. They have so many tools to avoid damage completely.

Then couple that with the fact that you cant even see them come out of stealth for a good 1 or 2 seconds after they have left stealth is another issue. Ties into the rendering bug.

I dont know feels like your bragging about headshotting someone from a mile away with a .50 cal and then calling them bad for not seeing you and not killing you with their knife lol.

Im not discounting your skill by any means but you need to realize your taking advantage of an OP class and a broken mechanic, which is fine but no need to rag on people for losing to it. And no im not in any of your videos nor have I seen you in wvwvw… yet.

It’s a little uncanny watching you play. It’s like watching myself play, but your gear is clearly a LOT better than mine. Actually, since I learned how to play Thief by watching your first video, that’s not very surprising. xD

very nice playing here

your evading is superb

Good skill, very nice video. I wouldn’t go for this build personally because it doesn’t fit my play style. However, I have enjoyed watching your video dude, good job, once more. Keep up teaching those noobs a good lesson)

Good video, 99% of thieves I encounter are terrible, even “perma” stealth ones, I don’t remember the last time I’ve been killed by a thief so it’s rare to come across a player that can play a thief well.

My thief is personally dual pistols, the dagger/dagger is too FOTMish for my liking, pistols allow me to stay at range and move when needed.

Oozo.7856:

In this movie a talented player kills people with one of the most inbalanced classes in the history of MMO PvP and calls the people he kills noobs.

It’s a shame your talent is wasted on a class I personally can’t have any respect for. Want to impress me, try doing this on another class.

Tell us how you really feel, lol.

Seriously though, nice vid. People can claim how imba the thief is, but they ignore the paper thin armor, and susceptibility to stunlocks and confusion condition. Everyone only remembers the thief that handed them their butt on a platter, and not the hundred other ones they killed or drove away.

Spartyr,

The inbalance is that you can’t kill a thief unless they actually want to stay to finish the fight. If things turn for the worse they can just leave. The risk versus reward is totally out of balance with this class. The strongest 1vN class in the game also has the best escapability and mobility.

Will this post get deleted and an infraction given to me again?

I’m not insulting here, what I’m saying is the flat out truth. I’m sorry if the truth is so uncomfortablen for some people.

Spartyr.6795:

Oozo.7856:

In this movie a talented player kills people with one of the most inbalanced classes in the history of MMO PvP and calls the people he kills noobs.

It’s a shame your talent is wasted on a class I personally can’t have any respect for. Want to impress me, try doing this on another class.

Tell us how you really feel, lol.

Seriously though, nice vid. People can claim how imba the thief is, but they ignore the paper thin armor, and susceptibility to stunlocks and confusion condition. Everyone only remembers the thief that handed them their butt on a platter, and not the hundred other ones they killed or drove away.

Paper thin armor doesn’t really matter when you can just stealth and not get hit then because of the rendering bug resume your attack before your even seen by the other players client, thats what makes the thief op and broken right now.

Slic has skills though no doubt, but if you watch the video closely everytime after leaving stealth theres a good delay between when someone actually starts hitting him again, its not cuz they are bad they just dont see him yet even tho hes left stealth.

He will understand this ref. its like in aion when a sm just lol dots and kites you then if you get close or hit them they fear you away while they lol at you while you die from dots… because you cant hit them. basically what this thief build is based around…. not getting hit and dots, and a large factor playing to his advantage is that stealth is bugged out allowing a huge play advantage.

I guess I find Mesmers just as tricky and difficult to kill as thieves, with even better escapability. I don’t want to derail the thread though, again nice job with the video.

@Namu

I have never ever come across this so called stealth delay except in a big zerg vs zerg at WvW and i have played against a lot of thieves. People are just making things up. I’m not saying that it never occurs (even tho i have never experienced it myself), but to say that its always there, when its not, is just making things up.

Warriors & Guardians and Mesmers are probably even worse than thieves in a 1v1. But even then, every class is OP if you know how to play it. If you get wrecked by a thief its simple to just blame the class instead of actually looking in the mirror and blame urself…

I can assure you that warriors and guardians are no where as difficult to fight as a thief. Mesmers are difficult, but still not as bad as fighting a thief. And, if you do turn a fight around on a thief and start winning… well, they just leave.

People who only play thieves might have a limited viewpoint when it comes to these facts.

Well played for sure but not very classy.

+Excellent dodging and combat movement
+Creative build (Pistol/Dagger is the least popular atm)
+You win by outlasting rather than bursting
+You win 2 or even 3v1 at times.

Not classy because
-You’re ganking people during the jumping puzzle
-You insult your enemies
-Fighting mostly bad players…backpeddlers….PvEers etc.
-Limited use of skills. You mainly auto-attack with the occasional Cloak and Dagger. Probably the most effective way to play this build but not very impressive.

That’s my opinion anyway.

Nice vid, Bill. I haven’t truly figured out Thief yet, but it seems you have.

Doesn’t player culling only happen in zergs? Not with 10 people? I use P/D as well but go with Stealth+acro and Rampager’s instead of Carrion. Love this playstyle!

Shizzlenit.7648:

@Namu

I have never ever come across this so called stealth delay except in a big zerg vs zerg at WvW and i have played against a lot of thieves. People are just making things up. I’m not saying that it never occurs (even tho i have never experienced it myself), but to say that its always there, when its not, is just making things up.

Warriors & Guardians and Mesmers are probably even worse than thieves in a 1v1. But even then, every class is OP if you know how to play it. If you get wrecked by a thief its simple to just blame the class instead of actually looking in the mirror and blame urself…

Ive had it happen alot in spvp fighting other thieves, its very annoying, stealth then your waiting for them to appear again but before they are selectable and visible they have already landed a few extra hits on you.

Might just be me, but I know others have experienced this as well. Especially chain stealthing. I normally counter by stealthing myself and just dodging around, but still.

Oozo.7856:

People who only play thieves might have a limited viewpoint when it comes to these facts.

And the people who play more than that? And still don’t quite agree with you? This rare breed of creature is just an illusion I suppose..

End of the line is that while thief is an easily accessible class with less of a learning curve than others, competitive and competent play actually does require a play to know about the class and show some finesse. I still run into HS spammers, even in WvW. My thief doesn’t stealth at all. I still kill them. I still also kill them with my rifle warrior.

/shrug

Sharpclaw.7510:

Oozo.7856:

People who only play thieves might have a limited viewpoint when it comes to these facts.

And the people who play more than that? And still don’t quite agree with you? This rare breed of creature is just an illusion I suppose..

End of the line is that while thief is an easily accessible class with less of a learning curve than others, competitive and competent play actually does require a play to know about the class and show some finesse. I still run into HS spammers, even in WvW. My thief doesn’t stealth at all. I still kill them. I still also kill them with my rifle warrior.

/shrug

Awww heart spam is cute though!!!

It’s adorable. Makes me laugh when they use it as their opener. “HS!” Plink. HS! Dodged “Ooooh…shiii” Smack

Side note I just read this:

Dee Jay.2460:

Not classy because
-You’re ganking people during the jumping puzzle

You know there’s only really one fight he initiates during that section. First one, the Thief opens fire. Second one, starts the ambush on the Necro and Thief. Third, the Ele jumps down. Fourth, the Ranger tries to longbow him, which leads into the fight with the Crystal Desert and Dragonbrand enemies. So, that’s about 1/5 where he’s the initial attacker.

I dunno why I felt obligated to point that out.

Sharpclaw.7510:

It’s adorable. Makes me laugh when they use it as their opener. “HS!” Plink. HS! Dodged “Ooooh…shiii” Smack

Side note I just read this:

Dee Jay.2460:

Not classy because
-You’re ganking people during the jumping puzzle

You know there’s only really one fight he initiates during that section. First one, the Thief opens fire. Second one, starts the ambush on the Necro and Thief. Third, the Ele jumps down. Fourth, the Ranger tries to longbow him, which leads into the fight with the Crystal Desert and Dragonbrand enemies. So, that’s about 1/5 where he’s the initial attacker.

I dunno why I felt obligated to point that out.

Because the initiated fights by the other servers were hilarious when he mopped the floor with them lol.

Few things to note.

In the puzzle area, I do not initiate ANY fights. Even the 2nd clip, I don’t actually start the ambush, that fight is the ending of a long, long chase by more than just those 2. It so happens I finally regen my HP, but those 2 are the only chasers left over.

I can see many players here are mad about stealth rendering. This is expected. That isn’t a thief being OP issue, that is a lag being OP issue. There are many, many other things that become OP (i.e. hit you before you see the effects/debuffs/damage) when coupled with lag, including CC in general, ground target abilities and quickness+melee aoe skills (you get hit for most your life before the animation and numbers ‘render’). Thieves not rendering isn’t as big a deal as you think, I can hit them before they render and combat the lag with prediction, unlike the other 2 examples I listed.

As an example of lag being OP (not the class mechanics), if you watch the fight against 3 PRX, with that transformed necro, I’m dodging blind in it because of lag. If you look closely, you can see some of those ranged projectiles that necro throws do damage to me before they actually fly towards me. It’s not a a very big delay, but I actually had about 200ms. Imagine that with 500+ms, which is common even for me, because of anet’s overloaded servers. I’d literally be hit by stuff that would render (and show up as damage on my screen) 1-2 seconds later!

P. S. Lol, I’m betting 3 ppl from this forum are HoD that got killed in the vid and then happened to watch my vid. 9/10 times, it’s true because they don’t leave a comment explaining why they hate my vid…

Tell us how you really feel, lol.
Seriously though, nice vid. People can claim how imba the thief is, but they ignore the paper thin armor, and susceptibility to stunlocks and confusion condition. Everyone only remembers the thief that handed them their butt on a platter, and not the hundred other ones they killed or drove away.

OK, I did alot more sPVP today after not doing some for a couple weeks and boy I see what the problem is now, thieves can kill you and you can’t see them at all I know because I caught a ranger all by himself and I was suddenly drilled down for no reason and I looked around while it was happening and couldn’t see anyone else but the ranger shooting at me but the combat summary window showed I was killed with thief abilities. That wasn’t a problem a few weeks ago last time I did alot of sPVP, I know that was occuring in WvW occasionally because of the vast amount of players and the world size, but now it’s in sPVP and thieves are abusing the renderring issue the game has. Somewhere along the way in the past month a patch affected the renderring.

Anyone considering playing an elementalist should watch this video. No matter how much you attunement swap to get the most out of your elementalist, thieves like this can school you by mashing 1 1 1 1.

I play a thief and this looks really boring. No thanks for me.

Making a pvp video is fine. Calling players noobs because they got beaten by an OP class…. that’s pretty lame.

@borcen, lol it makes me so sad. dancing stances, combing stuff, kiting and using practically every skill you have….
meanwhile a thief is like: 1, 1, 1, 1

I require…whithering heat.

To the OP. Promoting on these forums is probably one of the best ways to get dislikes for your video. Sorry but it’s true.

Funny to hear everyone calling thief OP. Only reason thief is so scary right now is because of the time it takes to render upon coming out of stealth. Maybe they should fix that before you QQ about balance.

Great video. Some of the people were pretty bad or down right horrible, but there were many good fights in there as well.

Impressive, most impressive.

I was intently watching this video trying to see if any other weapon skills besides 1 and 5 were activated….I was mesmerized by how lame it is that there is a profession where all you have to do is spam a few skills and be good at dodging….I thought of how good it felt that I rolled an Engineer where after your cheapness kills me at least I will know I had to use all my skills and tricks to stay alive….And just when I thought you were gonna rez your buddy and say “heh its easy to kill 3 ppl when you only have to press the same key” you instead said "#$^%$ noobs…………what a doosh!!!

suprised you dont have a MW3 vid showing how you dominate with the mp7

“There were.”

nope.

“Please say you play a grenade engineer…. please say you play a grenade engineer… please say you play a grenade engineer……”

nope. and which 2 grenades could I spam to win if i did?

Seriously people, stop complaining. He’s playing Pistol/Dagger, meaning that his only real damage is from 1, and from stealthing and then using the stealth 1 skill. Do you even know how thieves play?

And then I think about most ranged classes. Most classes with a ranged weapon have to use their auto-attack for damage, maybe one or two other skills for damage, and the rest are utility. And you usually have to trait to make the rest do decent damage too, or they’re just there to make numbers pop up in different ways.

CriSPeH.8512:

I was intently watching this video trying to see if any other weapon skills besides 1 and 5 were activated….I was mesmerized by how lame it is that there is a profession where all you have to do is spam a few skills and be good at dodging….I thought of how good it felt that I rolled an Engineer where after your cheapness kills me at least I will know I had to use all my skills and tricks to stay alive….And just when I thought you were gonna rez your buddy and say “heh its easy to kill 3 ppl when you only have to press the same key” you instead said "#$^%$ noobs…………what a doosh!!!

suprised you dont have a MW3 vid showing how you dominate with the mp7

To ppl that keep claiming thieves are magically OP:

You realize 1 of the 2 ppl i killed in that 1v2 was ANOTHER THIEF? And that a lot of the clips in pretty much ALL my videos have thieves?

If we’re so OP, I should be having a much harder time killing those other lvl80 thieves right? … RIGHT? RIIIGHT… Or maybe it’s the fact that I (wait for it) read their movement while theyre invisible and completely screw them over in the process.

Ok, to everyone else. I make Yippie Kye Yay videos for 3 reasons:
1) Entertainment
2) Humor/laughter
3) Showing ways to effectively PvP

If for some reason you don’t like the video, but it’s not because of a lack of any of those 3 things. Then maybe you’re just an over-entitled bad (who thinks they’re better than they really are) that needs to be taken down a few more notches. In that case, whoever you are, I hope I run into you in PvP more often so I can make you feel even worse about your experience in this game, because frankittenhat’s then the only thing you deserve.

“If we’re so OP, I should be having a much harder time killing those other lvl80 thieves right? … RIGHT? RIIIGHT…”

Maybe his pinky was cramped and he couldnt hit his 1 skill fast enough!

Excellent video Slic.

Solid 1 v 1+. Nice range of skills on your opponents (good to bad).

Glad I’m not in there.

Nice meng… Always nice to see something different

Wild Bill/Slic, great video’s. They’re exactly what you advertise them to be: fun, humorous and skillful. Your responses to the drivel on youtube and the forums are spot on.

I’m enjoying Gw2 more because of what I learned in the Yippie Kye Yay series – thanks for making these.

Slic, don’t be a stranger when you see us in there while JQ is matched against us this week. You’ll be sure when you see me, I assure you. Just please promise to not yell “OH MY GOD THEY ARE ALL ON ME!! OH MY GOD THEY ARE KILLING ME!!” My ears are still recovering.

Geez, I spend like days insulting Namu and then I open this thread and it’s like he’s the only one who understands.