Guild Wars 2

How about giving something other than very little XP, very little coin and maybe (just maybe) some good gear. From what I can tell, you have to PVE a ton to get PVP worthy gear. Doesn’t that seem a bitkittento you? At this point, you can tell who is geared and who is not since Thieves can kill you in three seconds and Guardians can take an ENTIRE team on. There is some class imbalance in the WVW side but that is another discussion.

I get a ton of karma from WvW and I buy the level 80 exotic karma gear from the PvE zones that way. I bought exotic weapons with badges. I see no need to do PvE.

I don’t quite get why games have to give advancements to be fun, though. Is it not possible to play a game just because it’s fun?

Slamz.5376:

I get a ton of karma from WvW and I buy the level 80 exotic karma gear from the PvE zones that way. I bought exotic weapons with badges. I see no need to do PvE.

I don’t quite get why games have to give advancements to be fun, though. Is it not possible to play a game just because it’s fun?

You need to get the PVE gear to be on the top end competitive level in this scenario. You can defininately tell the geared PVE grinders from the level 30 newbs. Since they want to “balance” things out for new players, give more gear drops.

swilkers.5938:

and Guardians can take an ENTIRE team on.

Not if you’re in a keep! You ever seen us with our staff out, and our little orb slooooooooooowly making its way up to you? Cause if that’s the kind of thing that scares you, then you must be afraid of clowns.

I enjoy my WvWvW without shiny trinkets thank you. That opens a pandoras box of Pve’ers vs PvPers, loots unfair, why don’t we get blah blah, and more PvE’ers than the grub and world completion already bring in, hoe’ing up the Q’s. And lets not forget the QQ threads that I’d have to take vacation just to be able to read all of.

I was a level 30 Necromancer and able to single-handedly lock down keep tower swarmed by 10+ players. Able to team up with a Guardian and Elementalist and consistently maintain control of the entire engagement while the “zerg” (if you call 15 people a zerg in a map that supports 500v500 combat) beat down the gate, again by ourselves (each of whom were not even 30 yet).

As a level 80 Necromancer, I not only hold control of that tower… I decimate it.

This thread is witless crying for no reason. There are plenty of rewards (I got 3 golds yesterday in one hour of WvW… how did I do that? BECAUSE I AVOID ZERGS AND MOVE WITH MY GUILD TO CAPTURE AREAS OURSELVES IN SMALL PACKS). Our guild gets ridiculous amounts of Influence. Karma just blows up. Money is on par with end game dungeons. All the while, I get to PvP.

If this is not your experience, you’re clearly doing it wrong, which attests the QQs to mean absolutely nothing.

Obviously if this is your experience, you’re not QQing to begin with.

skeptical of your 3 gold in 1 hour from wvw very skeptical.

Enerjak.2475:

I was a level 30 Necromancer and able to single-handedly lock down keep tower swarmed by 10+ players. Able to team up with a Guardian and Elementalist and consistently maintain control of the entire engagement while the “zerg” (if you call 15 people a zerg in a map that supports 500v500 combat) beat down the gate, again by ourselves (each of whom were not even 30 yet).

As a level 80 Necromancer, I not only hold control of that tower… I decimate it.

This thread is witless crying for no reason. There are plenty of rewards (I got 3 golds yesterday in one hour of WvW… how did I do that? BECAUSE I AVOID ZERGS AND MOVE WITH MY GUILD TO CAPTURE AREAS OURSELVES IN SMALL PACKS). Our guild gets ridiculous amounts of Influence. Karma just blows up. Money is on par with end game dungeons. All the while, I get to PvP.

If this is not your experience, you’re clearly doing it wrong, which attests the QQs to mean absolutely nothing.

Obviously if this is your experience, you’re not QQing to begin with.

LOL, QQ. You’re doing it wrong. You should throw in “Go back to WOW” to complete the trifecta. So you REALLY believe that a level 80 PVE exotic geared player is on the same level as a level 40 wearing greens? Good for you, your little guild of “geared” level 80s can hold a tower. That completely blows my comment out of the water. I am speaking of lower level experiences though. So where exactly did you get your gear? Since ArenaNet is so worried about competition, offer gear to players. It doesn’t have to be PVP gear that drops.

It is funny how everybody talks about gear progression….
I remember a time when i got lvl 50 in daoc. i talked to a few crafters and for a small amount of money they forged my spellcrafted armor. it was well designed and didnt made an extrem amount of effort as long i dont want some completly rare items in it.
at the end most people had exact the same gear. there was no real difference.
but what kept us playing? it were the ranks. hunting for higher realmranks. gaining realm points for kills. there was just no limit and it made tons of fun gaining them and progressing “the character”. every realmrank my char got stronger and stronger and i had lots of new abilities to unlock or improve.
gw2 just lacks this characterprogression. its just going for lvl 80, gear is no problem and then? running around in circles in wvw with 100 other people, doing keeps and camps for karma and gold and exp nobody really needs anymore.
its like paying to go into a movie you already watched 10 times. its not that enjoyable like the first time

Derek.9254:

skeptical of your 3 gold in 1 hour from wvw very skeptical.

^ I been in WvW 5 days before this game became open, not once have I’ve seen anyone or know anyone obtaining 3G in a hour. Hell, even for me I’ve manage to defend a single tower for hours with an arrow cart and ballista for 30mins racking up kills and even defending tower event. 3 Gold I find that hard to see. If that’s the case I would never do dungeon runs I would simply camp on an attacked tower all day..

/side note I’m sure EVERYONE would be camping a tower all day if they got 3 gold in one hour.

So far I can say that WvW is the best source for karma

swilkers.5938:

You need to get the PVE gear to be on the top end competitive level in this scenario. You can defininately tell the geared PVE grinders from the level 30 newbs. Since they want to “balance” things out for new players, give more gear drops.

No you don’t. If you play a lot of WvW you gain so much karma that you can get a full exotic set in no time. At the same time you probably gain enough badges for weapons.

I haven’t grind any PvE and I’m almost full exotic.

EDIT: Though honor badges needs some improvements

1. We should get more badges on killing people
2. Badges should move to our inventory automatically. It’s no fun trying to collect bags in the middle of a 30 vs 30 fight.

3g an hour? Takes me all day to earn half that much and I’m not standing around picking my nose either. Get plenty of karma though.

I’ve got over 210k Karma saved up from WvW, so it’s at least quite rewarding in Karma. More than anything I wish the badges dropped more and in greater quantity. I have yet accumulated enough badges to buy a single piece of gear (although this is partly because I forget to loot those forsaken bags)

swilkers.5938:

Enerjak.2475:

I was a level 30 Necromancer and able to single-handedly lock down keep tower swarmed by 10+ players. Able to team up with a Guardian and Elementalist and consistently maintain control of the entire engagement while the “zerg” (if you call 15 people a zerg in a map that supports 500v500 combat) beat down the gate, again by ourselves (each of whom were not even 30 yet).

As a level 80 Necromancer, I not only hold control of that tower… I decimate it.

This thread is witless crying for no reason. There are plenty of rewards (I got 3 golds yesterday in one hour of WvW… how did I do that? BECAUSE I AVOID ZERGS AND MOVE WITH MY GUILD TO CAPTURE AREAS OURSELVES IN SMALL PACKS). Our guild gets ridiculous amounts of Influence. Karma just blows up. Money is on par with end game dungeons. All the while, I get to PvP.

If this is not your experience, you’re clearly doing it wrong, which attests the QQs to mean absolutely nothing.

Obviously if this is your experience, you’re not QQing to begin with.

LOL, QQ. You’re doing it wrong. You should throw in “Go back to WOW” to complete the trifecta. So you REALLY believe that a level 80 PVE exotic geared player is on the same level as a level 40 wearing greens? Good for you, your little guild of “geared” level 80s can hold a tower. That completely blows my comment out of the water. I am speaking of lower level experiences though. So where exactly did you get your gear? Since ArenaNet is so worried about competition, offer gear to players. It doesn’t have to be PVP gear that drops.

Never told you to go back to WoW there, kiddo. But as long as you’re putting words in my mouth…

I leveled from 30 (as soon as I got my elite) to 80 in WvW. I know well and fine how it is for all level ranges.

Simply put, you’re QQing. It’s fine. Better than the world PvP systems of every game to date, even.

You’re crying for handouts. If you are unsatisfied with gear, there’s this beautiful thing I like to call crafting… can get it up to 400 in one day, get about 25-30 levels off of one craft by itself, and make whatever gear you bloody feel like.

Your whining is both old and void.

I think the main problem isn’t the token/xp/karma/silver you gain throughout the progress of WvW, but rather the end result, the moument when you win or loose, that feeling of completion.

You feel a little bit empty, Some poeple get hard from thinking they own other servers and all the BS, but many others including myself realy don’t care for that stuff.

Im sure many players love to tell all their friends that they are the number one server on a computer game, oh wait maybe not….

BTW “Fun” is the greatest reward you can get from a game. All the other rewards are shiny pixels and they are not real, you know that right?

If “something is fun” it’s rewarding enough.

You seem to have fergoten what an MMO is actauly about. Its not some FPS or RTS. It is a Role Playing Game, in otherwords, those shiny pixel you so seem to not care about? they are real in the RPG world, its what makes RPG’s a complete success or complete failure. At the moument, this game has no longivety.

Its fun for a while like any game would be, but you will get bored, why arnt you still playing red alert 1? that was fun wasn’t it? Oh whats that? you go bored? Yeah… its a natrual acurance with everything. Thats why MMO’s need that addiction factor to keep you hooked, MMO’s cannot survive off a comminity that picks up the game, plays for a few mouths then stop for a year before playing again.

Now im not saying they need to add more gear as such, but they do need to add something that will allow you to have a feeling of progression. RR seems to pop up alot and wouldn’t be a bad idea if implamented correctly.

More than anything, there needs to be something for winning a WvW match, those who tend contribute in more subtle ways won’t just say “F*** it! Im gonna go with the zerg for the easyer and faster reward(s)”.

I’m with Kazim – WvW doesn’t need a skinner box. already plenty in pve.

What it needs is a reward mechanic based on doing damage to enemies.

The badges in WvW are a joke. I have over 2,000 skills and have made about 10X the badges from jump puzzles as I have looted off dead bodies. Drop rate is terrible, and picking them up is a pain.

Oh, and hitting someone once gives you the same exact chance to get a bag as soloing a player. Wow, that’s balanced.

We simply need realm points. Anet knows DAOC, they know how it works. The game needs realm points.

I didnt read all these posts but I would like to maybe just see some more VARIETY in wvwvw gear, not just the 1 look and not just the same stats on all the pieces, they made sets for pve look different and have different base stats, why cant they do the same for wvwvw?
answer is: they can…..

The fun is the reward.

Anyway, my ranger levelled from about 25 to (currently) 75 purely through WvW, he gained a couple of gold without even trying (spent it all on siege and upgrades, but whaddayagonnado) and a large wedge of karma to go with it.

That’s all gravy though, for me the meat is the WvW itself.

This game could probably use DAoC/WARs realm point system and have those stats only work inside wvw. Seems like a decent compromise.

Well, if having fun is the reward, let me know in 6 mounths if you’re still playing (Thats if they haven’t introduced the reward system by then)

kbyethx

Not even gonna bother explaining simple logic to people anymore, its clearly wasted on them

If your server is winning WvW, you can easily make tons of coin and karma. Taking over 1 farm with 2 dolyaks chilling there gives you quite a large boost of income.

Without upgrades, and if you run away from key fights which revolve around events such as defend the tower or taking a zone, you won’t make good money— in fact you’ll probably lose some from the repair bill.

Zombie clearly believes logic dictates that we play video games to make achievement or earn reward.

I’m in shock of the sheer… logic… of that idea.

Because that logic would clearly dictate I marry the woman I love simply because she has a snatch, feed my son meals every day because he’s a boy and not a girl, or joined the military just to make Exxon Mobile and British Petroleum some extra cash by killing over 2.5 million innocent people in a country that has never committed a single act of aggression against us.

Superb logic.

I play games to have fun. I played Guild Wars 1 since 2004 because I found it fun. 7 years later, I still found it fun, even as the game really had no reward system at all in… well… anything. I play games for the same reason I paintball, or play football, or have sex, or whatever else I may specifically go out of my way and routine to do.

Because I enjoy it, not because I get a pixel prize.

That may not be enough for you. You may just get a stiffy for that extra gleam in your pixel pants. If so, then I clearly don’t comprehend that “logic” and prefer my insanity any day.

Can’t people just do stuff for fun, ever? In both pvp and/or pve?

I haven’t done WvW that much since the PvE has been so absorbing, but I did finally go to finish the monthly and ended up doing WvW til the wee hours and had a blast.

The repair costs are insane though…that was alarming. I expected PvP deaths to be free with maybe just paying for things like falling off of cliffs (not that I did that several times or something).

You get 2 silver at level 80 for a supply camp. About 4 for a tower and around 8 for a keep. 1 for a sentry and .5 for a Yak kill, and if you are VERY lucky one for a player.

That means in an hour you’d have to Cap:

37.5 keeps
75 towers
300 sentries
600 yaks

or some combination there of

So unless you can kill a Yak every 6 seconds, or you get a Rare drop from EVERY PLAYER you kill. Than you sir are a liar.

Flying Dutchman.3214:

You get 2 silver at level 80 for a supply camp. About 4 for a tower and around 8 for a keep. 1 for a sentry and .5 for a Yak kill, and if you are VERY lucky one for a player.

That means in an hour you’d have to Cap:

37.5 keeps
75 towers
300 sentries
600 yaks

or some combination there of

So unless you can kill a Yak every 6 seconds, or you get a Rare drop from EVERY PLAYER you kill. Than you sir are a liar.

No, you sir simply don’t know how to read.

“3 golds”. 3 Rares. 3 items. Of which is very possible in an hour’s time of constant killing away from the zerg.

The term “Gold” in currency is not plural. I know… it’s a rare thing… but there are people out there who actually use proper English!

Each of which salvaged for between 1-4 Globs of Ectoplasm, so I ended up making a pretty penny regardless, but that is aside the point.

Before calling someone else a liar and making yourself look insipid, it’s generally wise to clarify, or actually read what it is you’re responding to.

Kids these days…

WvW gear needs at least 3 different sets with different stats options.

Vanisher.9216:

WvW gear needs at least 3 different sets with different stats options.

Don’t care much about the stats on the gear. It is super easy to get a full set of exotics in this game, buying a set with badges would take your far far far longer then just say crafting one or hell even buying a set on the TP.

What I would like to see is more sets for badges so I can get more gear skins. Currently there is only 1 set compared to what like 8+ sets in PvE and the crap ton in sPvP.

Overall I am happy with WvW rewards minus the amount of badges we get per time spent.

Ouch. I got called Kid…… It’s like Kids aren’t supposed to play video games. Tell me which is more sad though. A CHILD playing pretend, or an adult doing it.

I don’t understand how “Kid” became an insult for someone playing a game.

/off topic “childish” argument

I think the WvWvW bonuses are good enough. They really add up 10% gathering, 10% gold find, 20% crit crafting. I like it.

^^ yeah the world bonuses are epic.

There is a little thing called CRAFTING…

Also it took me less than a week to get 3 sets of COF gear before it got nerfed. I filled the torso and bottoms with karma gear( karma is very easy to get, do wvw with your guild or grind events in Orr)

Zombiesbum.3502:

You seem to have fergoten what an MMO is actauly about. Its not some FPS or RTS. It is a Role Playing Game

Are you a Role Player mate?

Edit: First of all MMO stands for Massive Multiplayer Online

It can be RPG, it can be FPS, it can be RTS. As long as it’s massive, online and multiplayer it’s an MMO.

Also RPG doesn’t mean “gear”. it stands for role play game. So you play your role, act like someone/something else.

On “computer gaming industry” strangely it turned to “Character Customization” and/or “Character Progression”. However items/pixels are not the only way to customize or progress your character. There are several areas GW-II presents progression and customization. I’m quite certain you haven’t finish all of them.

Back to your claim of “no longevity”… well… they said the same for Guild Wars I. Yet it’s still out there where many “item grind” games are already vanished.

Flying Dutchman.3214:

Ouch. I got called Kid…… It’s like Kids aren’t supposed to play video games. Tell me which is more sad though. A CHILD playing pretend, or an adult doing it.

I don’t understand how “Kid” became an insult for someone playing a game.

/off topic “childish” argument

I think the WvWvW bonuses are good enough. They really add up 10% gathering, 10% gold find, 20% crit crafting. I like it.

Who said I was insulting you? Being young is an insult?

No… I said you can’t seem to pass a reading comprehension course in a more polite manner because of how blatant you were in displaying an inability to read a simple five letter word and define it as plural as opposed to not.

THAT, while true, is an insult.

I added “Kids these days…” because it is often a youthful mistake (which you enacted so perfectly) to leap without looking – to comment/scream/whine/insult without context.

Instead of addressing that, you again take the extreme (impulsive and insipid) action of assuming. Even when you assumed the first time and was proven wrong, you do it AGAIN so soon…

Assumption is the mother of all kittenups.

Youthful, childish mistakes. Kid mistakes.

No insult will come from age as a number. Only in how you conduct yourself. You simply do so in a poor fashion.

It amazes me how many people whine and complain on a daily basis about WvW. It seems like you just want maximum drops so you don’t have to do anything, you want to be on equal footing as a lvl 40 then a lvl 80 in full exotic. Gamers use to actually enjoy the game and play it to achieve something, not whine because they don’t get everything handed to them.

1. transfer to nightcapping server
2. log in at 2AM PST
3. zerg all the dots that arent your color that once made up an even battle

and you have a few gold in profit as well as a ton of karma and xp. by the 7th day you will be making more of a profit from this than hackers make hacking accounts.

ps. “working as intended” lolz