Guild Wars 2

Is the hammer/bow a good build for wvw? I am not talking about zergs but a 5v5 or 10vs10 pvp, wondering if its good and what gear should i pick up(runes,armor,sigils etc)

Probably the wrong forum, but I would say it is viable just not efficient. Problem I see is the warrior is giving up a lot of mobility with these two weapons. They also don’t compliment each other very well. One is built to condition and the other is built to stun. That said it could work and will probably surprise quite a few players in a fight but it won’t be as scary as other builds I would think.

Long story short – no. Its not good.

The bow AoE+Blast attack is so blatantly obvious people just roll out of it and its pretty much the only thing the bow got going for it. If you want to pick out solo targets, rifle will be better.

As a Warrior your role should be to get in their faces and smack them hard. Hammer/sword/warhorn is pretty much standard equipment and a much, much more powerful combo than hammer/bow.

I would honestly laugh at a Warrior swapping to a bow in 5v5 and proceed to focus him down why he try to range. Key in 5v5 is keeping constant pressure on single targets until they go down. A Warrior at range is just going to be a liability and useless addition to your team.

But you guys know that hammer/bow is one of the best builds for spvp right? I know tis not the same but still its always good to have ranged weapon so when they start runing away or kite you, and you can still do good dmg with the bow.

wvw is not spvp. combustive shot (longbow burst skill) is effective in spvp because it covers the entire capture point. in small scale engagements in wvw, mobility is king. hammer/bow isn’t very mobile at all. you can’t run away when the situation isn’t in your favor. you can stand your ground and fight them off for a long time but you will go down.

Sabastian.7126:

wvw is not spvp. combustive shot (longbow burst skill) is effective in spvp because it covers the entire capture point. in small scale engagements in wvw, mobility is king. hammer/bow isn’t very mobile at all. you can’t run away when the situation isn’t in your favor. you can stand your ground and fight them off for a long time but you will go down.

But what is the point of having 2 melee weapons, just so you can run away? also combustive shot can be shot very easy once they start to melee you or when you do bow 5 skill wich roots them for 3 sec, i mean i will probabyl use sword+horn but once i sport enemy i will change them for the bow , if it works so well in spvp why wouldn’t it work for wvw, yes they can run but they can run in spvp also.

Hyperion.4638:

Sabastian.7126:

wvw is not spvp. combustive shot (longbow burst skill) is effective in spvp because it covers the entire capture point. in small scale engagements in wvw, mobility is king. hammer/bow isn’t very mobile at all. you can’t run away when the situation isn’t in your favor. you can stand your ground and fight them off for a long time but you will go down.

But what is the point of having 2 melee weapons, just so you can run away? also combustive shot can be shot very easy once they start to melee you or when you do bow 5 skill wich roots them for 3 sec, i mean i will probabyl use sword+horn but once i sport enemy i will change them for the bow , if it works so well in spvp why wouldn’t it work for wvw, yes they can run but they can run in spvp also.

Try it. No seriously, give the build a genuine shot at 80 in WvW, then come back here and tell us how it goes.

Hyperion.4638:

But what is the point of having 2 melee weapons, just so you can run away? also combustive shot can be shot very easy once they start to melee you or when you do bow 5 skill wich roots them for 3 sec, i mean i will probabyl use sword+horn but once i sport enemy i will change them for the bow , if it works so well in spvp why wouldn’t it work for wvw, yes they can run but they can run in spvp also.

There are multiple reasons for two melee weapons. The most obvious is that the hammer is great at control but not so good at delivering focused damage. By switching to the GS a player gets two high mobility skills, the biggest damaging skill in the game against non-mobile opponents and more overall AoE DPS than the hammer. If they go with Sword/Warhorn the get some mobility, group buff, limited condi-cleanse and drum roll please… a Blast Finisher. The first is great for roaming while the later is excellent in large group play.

Other classes do ranged far better so why keep a warrior at a distance when they will always be out gunned there?

While there is some carryover from builds in PvP to WvW, there are differences. WvW is much larger so skills that would work well in small areas of PvP are just things to avoid in WvW. Mobility is king in WvW, so weapons that allow for this tend to be used more.

I’m not saying Hambow would not work, but most people shrug off burns and conditions fairly easily. Also, if someone doesn’t carry a stun-breaker or two its most likely because they are necros and then you have something else to worry about.

Straegen.2938:

Other classes do ranged far better so why keep a warrior at a distance when they will always be out gunned there?

Your are only changing to bow if they 1) they start runing and kite you, so you can damaged them while your hammer skill recharge and 2) The bow has a lot of aoe and a lot of conditions so you are only using that to apply those and than switch to hammer to continue the pressure

Yeah gs has more mobility but who the hell is stupid enough to stand for 100b? Well maybe they are in wvw i don’t know i am only r41 in spvp and this 100b thing with gs like i said they have to be stupid to eat that.(are they? )

Hyperion.4638:

Straegen.2938:

Other classes do ranged far better so why keep a warrior at a distance when they will always be out gunned there?

Your are only changing to bow if they 1) they start runing and kite you, so you can damaged them while your hammer skill recharge and 2) The bow has a lot of aoe and a lot of conditions so you are only using that to apply those and than switch to hammer to continue the pressure

Yeah gs has more mobility but who the hell is stupid enough to stand for 100b? Well maybe they are in wvw i don’t know i am only r41 in spvp and this 100b thing with gs like i said they have to be stupid to eat that.(are they? )

If people don’t stand in 100b in sPvP, what makes you think they are going to stand in a circle from your longbow with 1000x more space to run around in? Honest question.

Aeonblade.8709:

Hyperion.4638:

Straegen.2938:

Other classes do ranged far better so why keep a warrior at a distance when they will always be out gunned there?

Your are only changing to bow if they 1) they start runing and kite you, so you can damaged them while your hammer skill recharge and 2) The bow has a lot of aoe and a lot of conditions so you are only using that to apply those and than switch to hammer to continue the pressure

Yeah gs has more mobility but who the hell is stupid enough to stand for 100b? Well maybe they are in wvw i don’t know i am only r41 in spvp and this 100b thing with gs like i said they have to be stupid to eat that.(are they? )

If people don’t stand in 100b in sPvP, what makes you think they are going to stand in a circle from your longbow with 1000x more space to run around in? Honest question.

If you are refering to the elite bow, it has a huge aoe at adrenaline lvl 3 and by the time they get out they will take dmg while with 100 b a single dodge is all it takes, hell you can just move a little and you probably will dodge it.

Ok forget about bow, how about rifle than? It just seem unnecessary to keep gs if i use hammer and hammer is better since you can do a good amount of dmg while your enemy is either knocked,stunned, rooted etc

Hyperion.4638:

Is the hammer/bow a good build for wvw? I am not talking about zergs but a 5v5 or 10vs10 pvp, wondering if its good and what gear should i pick up(runes,armor,sigils etc)

Your build should depend on the needs of your group and who fills what role better.

Hyperion.4638:

Yeah gs has more mobility but who the hell is stupid enough to stand for 100b? Well maybe they are in wvw i don’t know i am only r41 in spvp and this 100b thing with gs like i said they have to be stupid to eat that.(are they? )

Uhmmm… those people that just got stunned by earthshaker or backbreaker. Hammer warriors output more stuns than players can stunbreak and despite a long attack chain even part of HB is serious damage. Even better now that immobilize does that stacking thing. Most importantly catching a GS warrior is REALLY hard… even if someone does run one down by the time they catch them their passive heal has put them back in it and their utilities are closer to reset.

Hyperion.4638:

Your are only changing to bow if they 1) they start runing and kite you, so you can damaged them while your hammer skill recharge and 2) The bow has a lot of aoe and a lot of conditions so you are only using that to apply those and than switch to hammer to continue the pressure

Any warrior lacking mobility is dead as soon as the numbers turn against him. I am sure the bow is a fine weapon but trying to range a condi-bunker, shatter mesmer, thief or any number of other builds will quickly find a warrior dead. This isn’t sPvP where power caps are in place. Thieves can burst down even PVT warriors. Don’t even get me started on the problems with the hammer or bow versus evasion builds.

In zergs, a bow warrior is kittens on a bull. As I stated originally… viable yes… efficient no.

So hammer/gs should be better? Gs for catching up with 3 and 5 and hammer to keep pressure, meh i guess that should work.

What about sword&shield with dual axe?

Have a lvl 80 warrior in stock wanting to be doodled with yet not a fan of hammer or great sword.

Glenn.3417:

What about sword&shield with dual axe?

Have a lvl 80 warrior in stock wanting to be doodled with yet not a fan of hammer or great sword.

Axe/axe is good for getting lootbags, but its completely selfish in a zerg. Hammer can win a battle in less than a second during the initial assault. Axe/axe cannot.

Greatsword is pretty much the same deal vs sword/warhorn (or axe/warhorn, depending on if you want mobility or immobilize). Good to get lootbags when you want to swing into groups, but very selfish. Warhorn can win a small scale battle by crippling the enemy and buffing your group.

sword/sheild I would only recommend for a commander, as its once again selfish (unless you’re a guardian, then the sheild has some merit against a zerg, but then again staff/hammer will always be superior)

Hyperion.4638:

So hammer/gs should be better? Gs for catching up with 3 and 5 and hammer to keep pressure, meh i guess that should work.

How about hammer + sword/warhorn ? With leg specialist you’ll have 3 sources of immobilize, one of which is on autoattack and one of which is a gap closer. You’ll also have perma swiftness, 2 on demand blast finishers and a disable cleanse. All of these are great for small scale fights. You won’t be as mobile as with GS, but you’ll be able to deal with enemies better once engaged.
And tbh, in WvW, most of the time I facetank first few hits of 100b, since vast majority of warriors rolls pvt gear so it’s better to save your breakers/stabilities/ports for when you really need them.

I think i should repeat myself, i am not talking about zergs i hate zergs, i am talkinb about small group fighting, also why pvt gear? the hp doesn’t seem that necessary since warriors have highest hp in the game. Why not just few knight items and few berserker items kinda mixed up but doing a 0/0/30/10/30 build with endure pain and few other defensive utilities.

Hyperion.4638:

I think i should repeat myself, i am not talking about zergs i hate zergs, i am talkinb about small group fighting, also why pvt gear? the hp doesn’t seem that necessary since warriors have highest hp in the game. Why not just few knight items and few berserker items kinda mixed up but doing a 0/0/30/10/30 build with endure pain and few other defensive utilities.

WvW has become a world of extremes. Either a player needs to be able to withstand a massive amount of burst or burst themselves. Take zerk rifle warriors… they can pop a decently armored player for 20k in a few attacks. Same for thieves. 22k HP seems like a lot until a player gets focused. Condibunker necros can drop a ton of conditions that can reel off a ton of HP before the cleanses hit.

Dawdler.8521:

Glenn.3417:

What about sword&shield with dual axe?

Have a lvl 80 warrior in stock wanting to be doodled with yet not a fan of hammer or great sword.

Axe/axe is good for getting lootbags, but its completely selfish in a zerg. Hammer can win a battle in less than a second during the initial assault. Axe/axe cannot.

Greatsword is pretty much the same deal vs sword/warhorn (or axe/warhorn, depending on if you want mobility or immobilize). Good to get lootbags when you want to swing into groups, but very selfish. Warhorn can win a small scale battle by crippling the enemy and buffing your group.

sword/sheild I would only recommend for a commander, as its once again selfish (unless you’re a guardian, then the sheild has some merit against a zerg, but then again staff/hammer will always be superior)

GS is not selfish because it does what it loves to do. Deal mad damage. in a zerg an ES to 100b ww swap can decimate enemies at the end of a chain. If you are a bunker warrior with shouts, warhorn and sword is for you but if you are offtank bruiser GS is a better option for damage. I understand what you mean tho but sword damage is just so… bad after the AA nerf