Guild Wars 2

I understand that there is the whole concept of gold sinking but honestly can you ever say that the blueprints that you paid for (as side from maybe the arrow cart) make more than their cost even if performing well? a flaming ram for example costs 6 silver but breaking a keep would usually take at least 2 if you want to complete it quickly, but anyways assuming that you are using one, you are only getting about 2 silver back in value, the net value for blue prints in coins is negative to what they can do.
You are actually in a way punishing players for purchasing blueprints. Setting up siege weapons is more of a charity offering that frugal people such as me will rarely do unless we got them for free.

Now I say for the option of buying siege weapons with karma, because we need more forms of mass karma spending outside of exotic armor.

Note though that if karma were made available as a form of currency for blueprint I would also suggest buffing up wall and gate defenses.

This is an epicly great suggestion.

you know you can buy them with badges right?

Badges, drops.. coin from taking towers, killing yaks, taking sentry’s, defending points., 4 jump puzzles daily. Got enough methods to get blueprints.

grintar.1705:

you know you can buy them with badges right?

Badges are fairly rare and buying siege weapons with them only accounts to a temporary value set up 3 arrow cats and a ballista and you spend about 28 badges, if they get snipped down by a meteor shower or arrow bomb whatever and you are set back a huge amount of effort, heck most of the time you will rarely kill anyone with them as it causes a temporary retreat until their next cooldown reset comes along.

Karma is an ideal currency for blueprints because it can be acquired from defending and attacking without the need of snagging the lucky less than aware enemy.

you realize that WvW is the main endgame gold sink? (mystic forge is technically an item sink)

Can’t think of any downsides to this, though I also don’t think 6s is expensive for a blueprint. Your group should be taking turns buying siege, in which case you’ll come out on top.

If you’re someone who’s only going to deploy siege you got for free free then perhaps you’re part of the reason people might feel punished for buying blueprints.

SoggyFrog.4170:

Can’t think of any downsides to this, though I also don’t think 6s is expensive for a blueprint. Your group should be taking turns buying siege, in which case you’ll come out on top.

If you’re someone who’s only going to deploy siege you got for free free then perhaps you’re part of the reason people might feel punished for buying blueprints.

Yes, I’m willing to admit it, I am one hell of a selfish kitten, I like having a decent reserve of gold in my bank and I love wvw so I don’t spend money on buying blueprints, but that doesn’t change the fact that buying blueprints is really nothing more than a form of charity since they will rarely make up their cost to the buyer.

Will I have to spend money from my reserves that I might want to spend on my other characters to help out in WvW sieging? Seems like a mechanic that discourages buying blueprints except to those with money to spare.

grintar.1705:

you sir, are an idiot. you just said siege are not worth it. wow. just stop playing the game.

How interesting you suggest someone to stop playing a game because they are letting out a voice of distaste of how a certain style of vendor in a game they paid for is irritating. By that logic your post is unhelpful and rude. Wow. Just stop posting in the forum.

It’s not charity if you can share the cost over a series of objectives, it’s cooperation. I realize this isn’t always possible but I think it works out more often than you might expect.

Besides which it makes you the benefactor of charity (ie freeloader) if you don’t buy siege

grintar.1705:

QQ some more. all your post comes down to is you saying, “I WANT TO KEEP MY GOLD!” Instead of realizing that WvW is meant to be an endgame gold sink(hence gold costs for siege + upgrades). Also, your stating that your not a team player, because you would rather keep your precious gold than help out your team. way to be a team player.

So conserving a personal reserve is suddenly a crime now? Also saying that I’m not a team player because I don’t feel like paying coins for attacks is like saying the people who helped organize and decorate a party before hand aren’t a team player because they didn’t pay for the food. I participate in attacks and defend what I can.

SoggyFrog.4170:

It’s not charity if you can share the cost over a series of objectives, it’s cooperation. I realize this isn’t always possible but I think it works out more often than you might expect.

Besides which it makes you the benefactor of charity (ie freeloader) if you don’t buy siege

That’s exactly why I suggest a karma form of buying blueprints, I would be more than happy to spend my karma if it were to help out my server in WvW, but as of right now there is no way of doing so except maybe in the extended sense of getting better gear so I can survive more or do more damage, but that would barely do anything.

I think the analogy is better served by saying you’re always going to other people’s parties and never throwing your own.

no, not a good idea. karma is so easy to get in the later stages and pvp that everyone who plays wvw would constantly have 50 of everything, and there would be 20 sieges on every defensible position and some group on every corner ready to kill you as soon as you round it. all any team would have to do is cap a section of the map, drop sieges, defend that area, force their way up forward, drop a bunch more sieges, defend….til they have the entire map and you cant even escape out the side doors of the lone portal youd have. the way it is, and with the not so easily available gold, it keeps a good balance, forcing most everyone to share responsibility for them, and makes them a more valuable commodity.

Siege is plenty common at the moment. I honestly don’t see much reason for this.

And laying siege to something is suppose to be costly, not profitable. Whichever side runs out of resources first, loses. Whether it is siege, supply, money, or bodies.

SoggyFrog.4170:

I think the analogy is better served by saying you’re always going to other people’s parties and never throwing your own.

to be fair you won’t find as many groups that would just follow you around as much as a commander would by just strolling by with a army of supply ready allies.

By throwing a party, I mean “buying siege”. The rest of the group organization and such is rather irrelevant.

Also, it doesn’t sound like you’re charitable with karma, it just sounds like you have truckloads of it and you don’t know what to spend it on, so you value it less than gold. Which is fine for proposing this idea, but not fine for claiming that you’re a generous team player.

LieutenantGoogle.7326:

grintar.1705:

you know you can buy them with badges right?

Badges are fairly rare

this sounds like a L2play issue… 2500+ badges rotting in my bank says you’re doing something wrong if you think they’re rare..

Tell ya what I’ll offer you 2500 badges for 250k of your karma…

As an active WvW player who’s spent very little time in PvE since hitting 80 and a commander who’s expected (I believe so any ways) to supply siege..no..just no.

For starters the issue you raised about cost vs reward is a moot point. A ram costs 6s, you get 2s for capping a keep. It takes 80 supply to build 2 rams. That’s 8 people. 12s spent, 16s for the cap. That’s a net profit. Take into account the karma reward as well if it could be spent on siege and you’d be doubling the profit assuming it all went back into siege/upgrades. And all but negating the cost if it didn’t. WvW is THE endgame gold sink. Negating the gold costs could have dire ramifications on the economy as well as enable other sorts of horrible shenanigans.

WvW is about friends, guilds and server wide co-op. Anything that can be done to encourage this is a good thing in my opinion. And blueprints should be a valuable commodity.

And to you selfish lone rangers out there who are only interested in personal gain, tell me how much fun you’re having in WvW when it costs literally nothing to set up siege indefinitely at all exits to your spawn? With an entire map on lock down and no money to spend because all keeps/towers are upgraded already this already becomes a problem. Now imagine how bad it would be if there were no gold cost involved…

Best suggestion ever.

grintar.1705:

QQ some more. all your post comes down to is you saying, “I WANT TO KEEP MY GOLD!” Instead of realizing that WvW is meant to be an endgame gold sink(hence gold costs for siege + upgrades). Also, your stating that your not a team player, because you would rather keep your precious gold than help out your team. way to be a team player.

Gold sink.
What is a Gold sink?
Its where you pour your earned money to in turn make a profit (in essence, it can also be used in its more literal sense to pour money so that you dont hit Gold cap).
The issue here is that pouring gold into this sink will result in having no more gold to pour.
You run out entirely because you are not making a profit.

Where, then, do you get your blueprints?
3 of the 4 puzzles are broken. And if you’re not good at puzzles or the enemy servers are camping them, your only option is to buy. But how can you buy when you spent every last copper on a gold sink that didn’t give you a profit?

This, little scrubling, is the issue the OP is referring to.

Not sure why there is such hostility to this suggestion, as it a good one.

Just make sure the karma cost is expensive enough so it doesn`t lead to siege proliferation.

Maybe 5,000 Karma for an arrow cart, or so.

The actual net profit from a siege is usually quite good. If 15 people attack a tower and use 2 rams that’s 12 silver used. On taking the tower the 15 people get 2 silver each, which is 30 silver (ie, the profit can buy 5 rams).

The problem is most people don’t buy siege, leaving the few who do to carry the burden of paying for most of it.

Why would you need karma? You can either buy them for silver ( I don’t recommend it) or buy with badges. Badges are very easy to get and in every zerg fight you aoe a few guys your gonna see badges all around you. (Especially thieves dagger storm or guardian whriling wrath). I have no problem gettin siege.

Wait, how do you buy siege blueprints with badges?

BAEK.8561:

Wait, how do you buy siege blueprints with badges?

The siegemaster has two buy options (the money bags on the left side of the merchant window). Click on the bottom money bag to buy with badges.

Running with my guild-group of ~20-30 people gets me average ~200 badges on a slow night, 250+ on a good night. I use them all to buy siege, and currently I have 750+ badges (3 stacks and some change basically) sitting in my bank for alts that might need gear. My engineer is about to hit 80 and I’m sure I’ll need a few pieces that karma can’t buy.

TheRamosOnline.2670:

grintar.1705:

QQ some more. all your post comes down to is you saying, “I WANT TO KEEP MY GOLD!” Instead of realizing that WvW is meant to be an endgame gold sink(hence gold costs for siege + upgrades). Also, your stating that your not a team player, because you would rather keep your precious gold than help out your team. way to be a team player.

Gold sink.
What is a Gold sink?
Its where you pour your earned money to in turn make a profit (in essence, it can also be used in its more literal sense to pour money so that you dont hit Gold cap).
The issue here is that pouring gold into this sink will result in having no more gold to pour.
You run out entirely because you are not making a profit.

Where, then, do you get your blueprints?
3 of the 4 puzzles are broken. And if you’re not good at puzzles or the enemy servers are camping them, your only option is to buy. But how can you buy when you spent every last copper on a gold sink that didn’t give you a profit?

This, little scrubling, is the issue the OP is referring to.

Not sure if trolling about gold sink…..or just “misinformed”

TheRamosOnline.2670:

grintar.1705:

QQ some more. all your post comes down to is you saying, “I WANT TO KEEP MY GOLD!” Instead of realizing that WvW is meant to be an endgame gold sink(hence gold costs for siege + upgrades). Also, your stating that your not a team player, because you would rather keep your precious gold than help out your team. way to be a team player.

Gold sink.
What is a Gold sink?
Its where you pour your earned money to in turn make a profit (in essence, it can also be used in its more literal sense to pour money so that you dont hit Gold cap).
The issue here is that pouring gold into this sink will result in having no more gold to pour.
You run out entirely because you are not making a profit.

Where, then, do you get your blueprints?
3 of the 4 puzzles are broken. And if you’re not good at puzzles or the enemy servers are camping them, your only option is to buy. But how can you buy when you spent every last copper on a gold sink that didn’t give you a profit?

This, little scrubling, is the issue the OP is referring to.

You need to learn what Gold sink means my friend.

I lead a guild of 500 players, and not every single one of them plays in WvW, but we still outsiege our opponents. We do fundraising once a week that we use to not only raise money for bp, but for CCs as well. I then take that gold and turn the regular blueprints into Superior bp. I’m paying twice the amount of gold for our weapons and getting way more out of it.

Same thing goes for badges. I spend probably about 300-600 badges a week just on siege. And im not in WvW 24/7. I probably average about 50-90 badges a night. All this is because my guild works well together and my zergs stay organized. We’re not even in the top tiers, we’re gonna be a tier 6 server this week lol. Basic rule of WvW, never go solo. That includes your style of playing with the zerg. Just cause you are with the large number of people running around, doesn’t mean you’re not alone.

I think the problem here is, you need a way to not be going solo. And I actually oppose karma as a currency in wvw for BP. I have almost 500k karma… just imagine how much siege that would be coming from just me. And yes my zergs always have supply. My suggestion is that if you wvw enough, find a wvw guild that is working together and is organized. You won’t be spending tons of money and you’ll be making some pretty good money as well. That being said, I would look to commanders being the ones laying the siege as it is quite a momentum killer when people are throwing down BP that are just sucking up supply.

I wish there was some use for karma, not everyone is going for a legendary