Guild Wars 2

1. The winning team will have the most buffs (the orbs)
2. It becomes a waste of money/badges to buy siege after a certain point, thereby making it even easier for the winning team to hold the map.
3. People on the losing teams stop playing, so you’re almost always out-numbered.
4. There’s no hope in hell of beating a server that has max players at all hours when yours only has people who play between 8pm-11pm most of the time.

Overall it’s hilariously unbalanced, and all you do is waste money on siege and repair bills.

What I’d change:

1. Out-numbered should buff your hp/toughness, not magic find. That just makes people ignore pvp and run around farming lettuce.
2. Provide more siege drops from enemy NPCs.
3. Have it so if someone finishes the opponent that you also did damage to, give you a badge of honor, too. It’s a zerg to finish people off all the time.

And, apparently, we’ll go to two week matches, which would make it even worse. The only practical application of playing after losing badly after day 1 would be to get the bonuses for your realm, and then go back to PVEing. That should not be what the game comes to, but it is so far.

i like lettuce

“The only practical application of playing after losing badly after day 1 would be to get the bonuses for your realm, and then go back to PVEing.”

or maybe play for fun….take a keep and hold it as long as possible?

get a group of 10 and blitzkrieg supply camps?

plenty to do, people just get mad bro! and give up too easy, part of the gimme generation

Wait a month or two. The matching system will stop pairing you with servers that outclass you so completely, and you’ll wind up fighting servers that are more evenly matched.

Same can be said for the winning team, im on HoD and im just farming mats for now.

vrgadin.1943:

i like lettuce

“The only practical application of playing after losing badly after day 1 would be to get the bonuses for your realm, and then go back to PVEing.”

or maybe play for fun….take a keep and hold it as long as possible?

The problem with that is that a lot of people define “fun” as “winning”, and will tell you that being on the losing team isn’t fun.

The buffs for the ‘winning’ team are good. They make it so the cream rises to the top. Obviously only the good servers are going to come back from being down for a while. So give it time. I only wish there was a ‘reason’ to win, as in – you got the bonuses for the -next- 2 weeks, not 1% here and there, but rather huge 15% bonuses for the next 2 weeks -after- a win. Right now there’s nothing to rally against. What are the rewards for winning? Oh nothing?

Vexus.5423:

The buffs for the ‘winning’ team are good. They make it so the cream rises to the top. Obviously only the good servers are going to come back from being down for a while. So give it time. I only wish there was a ‘reason’ to win, as in – you got the bonuses for the -next- 2 weeks, not 1% here and there, but rather huge 15% bonuses for the next 2 weeks -after- a win. Right now there’s nothing to rally against. What are the rewards for winning? Oh nothing?

Winning is the reward for winning.

Also, the fun you had.

Why do so many people need to be given something to acknowledge every little thing they do?

Imo, when a server hits a certain amount of points in a certain time (like, they cap the whole map and get 650 points per 15 minutes), they should just reset the WvW and give a candy to the winning team.

Right now, every single tower is tier 3 and we can barely do anything since no one joins WvW. If it’s 2 weeks long and we can’t do anything…it’s bad

while i respectfully disagree with op’s reasoning i would definitely support these and any changes that would keep the losing servers interested in fighting
being from a currently greatly dominating server wvw loses its shine when your opponents leave the table

Something I don’t get, and I’ve seen it in a couple of threads now:

Someone on a server that’s completely dominating the other two complains that everyone from the losing servers is leaving WvWvW. Yet it seems that those on the dominant server stay in WvWvW, even though they claim to be bored out of their skull.

Which makes me wonder:

1) Why do you think those who are winning remain in WvWvW even though it’s boring while those who are losing leave?

2) Why don’t people see the correlation between one and the other?

Some really good feedback in here. I’m more impressed with the forum community than my particular server’s performance in WvW. Hah.

If they took the repair costs out of pvp deaths, that would help people who are saving tokens for items, and want to purchase upgrades and siege for their realm with hard-earned coin. You could leave in repair costs for times when a turret/ cannon/ Guard / NPC kills you. It’s really hard to make any money when you’re always getting zerged. This makes people leave. And then it’s a giant battleground of doldrum.

I agree that “winning is the reward for winning.” Add on to the fact that your server had the most amount of bonuses for your realm, and that you kept 2 other realms from getting max bonuses.

vrgadin.1943:

i like lettuce

“The only practical application of playing after losing badly after day 1 would be to get the bonuses for your realm, and then go back to PVEing.”

or maybe play for fun….take a keep and hold it as long as possible?

get a group of 10 and blitzkrieg supply camps?

plenty to do, people just get mad bro! and give up too easy, part of the gimme generation

I’m with you on this one. Yeah they could change the buff a little, but then it would become abused in some manner and that’s not good either. Besides, nothing wrong with lettuce!

Sometimes the best thing to do is small teams in gorilla warfare, hit them all over the place, keep them mobile while you build up. Zerg only works against zerg….and the unfortunate few who get run over as the drive by. If you hit them on multiple fronts with multiple small teams you force them to either break the zerg or accept the loss of something until they can get to it. And that, is where winning comes from. You have to start someplace.

Giving up and leaving just contributes to the problem in the first place. Grow a pair, take charge, get a team or two rolling, and get out there and try something. You might just be surprised what works.

mcl.9240:

vrgadin.1943:

i like lettuce

“The only practical application of playing after losing badly after day 1 would be to get the bonuses for your realm, and then go back to PVEing.”

or maybe play for fun….take a keep and hold it as long as possible?

The problem with that is that a lot of people define “fun” as “winning”, and will tell you that being on the losing team isn’t fun.

It is not necessarily winning, it is being competitive. I would be just as unhappy if we owned all four maps and the other servers left. In the end one week is too long, the 24 hour was fun, and if you got pwned you would try like hell to do better, right now i have DAYS of zone in, the dominating team is harassing at near the zone in point, they “retreat” to get us to come out and then slaughter us. If we get to the first objective there are so many built defenses it is not possible to take because most of my server gave up for the week.

The pve in this game will not keep me here. I will go to sPvP for a while but that gets old too, small map, same techniques over and over.

Whispers.5249:

vrgadin.1943:

i like lettuce

“The only practical application of playing after losing badly after day 1 would be to get the bonuses for your realm, and then go back to PVEing.”

or maybe play for fun….take a keep and hold it as long as possible?

get a group of 10 and blitzkrieg supply camps?

plenty to do, people just get mad bro! and give up too easy, part of the gimme generation

I’m with you on this one. Yeah they could change the buff a little, but then it would become abused in some manner and that’s not good either. Besides, nothing wrong with lettuce!

Sometimes the best thing to do is small teams in gorilla warfare, hit them all over the place, keep them mobile while you build up. Zerg only works against zerg….and the unfortunate few who get run over as the drive by. If you hit them on multiple fronts with multiple small teams you force them to either break the zerg or accept the loss of something until they can get to it. And that, is where winning comes from. You have to start someplace.

Giving up and leaving just contributes to the problem in the first place. Grow a pair, take charge, get a team or two rolling, and get out there and try something. You might just be surprised what works.

while you “build up”? am I building a clone army? or am I supposed to have a guildie spamming map chat trying to get people to pvp? I want to pvp, not try to convince people to pvp.

They need to reset the map and give the winning server a really nice magic find boon.

If a server captures all EB and two other Borders, game over. Winning server gets 10% to magic find. If they do it again 13%. Again 16%.

Of course there are things to do for 5 days while you wait to reset, but not very many things to do. I’m leveling up my ranger waiting for the matches to reset.

I completed the EB jumping puzzle today. Proud moment. lol. Didn’t have any pesky opponents in the way. Other things I do aside from WvW: 61% world completion. It keeps me entertained. I try to do random achievements, and find all the jumping puzzles. I’m sure I’ve missed plenty, but I don’t want to read spoilers until I complete the world % thang.

mcl.9240:

The problem with that is that a lot of people define “fun” as “winning”, and will tell you that being on the losing team isn’t fun.

Not really. Fun is an even(ish) match up. Fun is not being sat at 40.000 points while the steamroll team is sat on 250.000.

When you jump into EBG and find the leading team has set up 9 ballista, 12 arrow carts, 2 cata’s and a treb facing your spawn point.

Yeah, tons of fun were had that day.

Bring on the 2 week, I’m looking forward to it.

Gomly.6128:

mcl.9240:

The problem with that is that a lot of people define “fun” as “winning”, and will tell you that being on the losing team isn’t fun.

Not really. Fun is an even(ish) match up. Fun is not being sat at 40.000 points while the steamroll team is sat on 250.000.

When you jump into EBG and find the leading team has set up 9 ballista, 12 arrow carts, 2 cata’s and a treb facing your spawn point.

Yeah, tons of fun were had that day.

Your own fault for letting it get to that point.

no idea how you can complain about this. we have like 20 people on the map total during oceanic times and SOS and IOJ take potshots at us from out the main spawn door. maybe if you rushed passed……and continued rushing past your keep, you might actually break out and get a foothole.

Lofty.8759:

Same can be said for the winning team, im on HoD and im just farming mats for now.

No. Youre just unable to get in cuz u followed TA to get carried.
You dont even have stonemist, we do. And its a close fight, if JQ actually did more than vulture off our hits and attacked you…

Lets not go overboard and act like youre bored in wvw.

We just owned yourkittenbase in the HoD borderlands, too.

The only way youre ahead, is because JQ cant keep up with you.

Player One.4932:

I bet you can make a good guess which servers people are from by their responses to this post.

QFT

I specifically don’t understand all the ET people saying “just try harder!” since they “took matches off” which purposefully dropped them to a lower tier. When I spend the energy to form a 1K person WvW server alliance in a video game (?) we’ll get together and have a solid match.

I’m so glad I’m not in the top bracket. I’ve never seen a queue before, and plenty of enemies for everyone(10+ per, minimum)

Life is good in Kaineng.

Splintrr.7391:

I’m so glad I’m not in the top bracket. I’ve never seen a queue before, and plenty of enemies for everyone(10+ per, minimum)

Life is good in Kaineng.

It is isn’t it we even took a few camps today….take that shiver woot

The problem with the saying that “The only practical application of playing after losing badly after day 1 would be to get the bonuses for your realm, and then go back to PVEing” is…

There are simple facts of having extended competitive matches. A single day of being dominant can sway the scoring in one direction. Over the weekend, the match between Crystal Desert, Blackgate and Gates of Madness was a virtual dead heat. Blackgate was winning by around 3k points. Give it a day of total domination by Crystal desert and Blackgate is down by 100k. A push by ANY server can overcome a deficit in a given amount of time.

There are real problems with WvW and keeping the games competitive for the 2 week span. The current scoring system still allows for huge swings in score if your server doesn’t get down on themselves and makes a real effort.

That being said, the server scoreboard is not all that important in the scheme of things. Its there and it matters for the PvE buffs, but it actually doesn’t effect the level of fun and competition inside the WvW maps.

Fixing the Orbs and Outmanned buffs would be something that needs a lot of looking at, the week long or eventual two week long format is fine.

Hopeless.
You peeps will never get it or being able to get over it.

We, (core RvRers) don’t care who’s winning or losing. We’re here for the fight and the kick the good ones bring us. There will always be a winner and 2 losers in a 3 faction combat. They win, means they’re better. That’s a fact a reality. But this doesn’t mean I’m going to whine or go do some PVE. I’m going to dress up and hapilly kick em in the jewels if I can.

As long as free transfers are open no real balance can be made…
People just keep tansfering to better servers

rematching after this week will only show increased queue time for winning servers.
Most solo players and maybe some serious WvW guilds transfer to the winning side.

So the strong get stronger and the weak get weaker.

Free transfer should have been disabled before the 1 week long matches.

@ vrgadin.

It’s our fault?

So we matched ourselves up against 2 French servers?

A lot of us on Underworld are British. We go to sleep, wake up and the French have capped everything .. literally, we have nothing in the mornings .. and set up seige on our spawn points.

We get out of our spawn and hit a keep/tower and have 2 French teams to fight.

We sure did kick ourselves in the teeth when we begged and pleaded for this match up didn’t we.

@Gomly

You know you also have Frenchies on Underworld so it’s not only fighting 2 French servers but also fighting Frenchies on your own server.
Your words, not mine.

I repeat because it seems you guys don’t get it or don’t understand it.

We, Jade Sea, do NOT
I repeat
DO NOT, NOOOOOOOOOOOO, NADA
cooperate with Arborstone.

We, Jade Sea,
Try not to take anything from Underworld as our main focus is to avoid a too big Arborstone push.

I repeat again.

Jade Sea fights Arborstone and not Underworld, except when Underworld doesn’t leave us any other choice or are in our way to fight Arborstone.

May be it’s a color issue.
Jade Sea, Blue ones → good guys, allies trying to stomp Arborstone.
Underworld, Red ones → you, players from your server
Arborstone, Green ones → Nasty ones, mean ones, need to fight them.

@ nidwin.

I’m not saying you guys are working together (although that has been subject to discussion in team chat on multiple occasion due to how some fights turned out).

Arborstone hit our Overlook on the first day of the match up and you guys hit it the same time from another gate. When Arbor took it your guys backed off. It did look a bit “fishy”.

I’m in Underworld Battalion <WvW> and we’ve tried, oh god have we tried, to get people to stop attacking anything blue and focus on green especially when green hold nearly everything on all 4 maps.

The problem we have is folk don’t listen …. at all.

Arbor had Mendons, Speldon and Anza which we could have taken quite easily (and needed the supply camp most of all) due to them being in our “territory” so to speak. Then the “mindless zerg” rushed to Durios for reason still unknown to anyone else who was there that day.

I will admit that it does sometimes feel like a 2 on 1 match up but that may be down to the people that do try to work together being in the wrong place at the wrong time when your guys and Arbor are “hitting it off”.

I did think you 2 had a bit of co-operation going on, as I said about our Overlook, but I sit corrected and apologise for the accusation.

Seems we just need to try and focus out guys more. Helps if people would stop trying to kill the grub, zerg SM when it’s heavily defended and we have nothing else, stopping to gather, afk at spawn and trying to zerg Bravost/Durios when we have none of our own territory.

WvW isn’t about winning, its about getting points to gain those World Bonuses.

Stop being so bent on winning and just try to help your realm.

No problem Gomly.
And I can assure you that we don’t, and never will btw, cooperate with any other French server.

Sometimes we don run into you guys, when both of us had the same idea. At that moment we aren’t going to back off and we will engage you. And from what I’ve seen it’s the same on your side. Always good fights when that happens.

What we, and take my word for it, try to avoid is having to go for red objectives. Our main target is Arbor, the green ones.

Anyway,
I think we’re doing well, especially in prime time and put up a decent fight against Arbor.

I don’t agree that the winners of an imbalanced seven day match are just as victimized as the losing sides. People are saying they are bored as well on the winning side but you have the added benefit of ‘winning’. In addition to stat and health bonuses making ganking and repelling any attempts by the losers much easier, the winners are experiencing the benefits of self validation which is a huge boon psychologically whether you are ‘bored’ or not.

Also, the winning server get the boon of gaining more players. Yak’s Bend server wasn’t full two days ago and now it is. I’m betting a lot of solo players left Darkhaven and Anvil rock for Yak’s. I think the Yak’s, Anvil, Darkhaven triad was an honest mistake.

I think that as the game matures, the devs will find that two weeks is far too long even for aptly matched servers. All it takes is a day or two to get enough momentum to take the map in a few days.

Like I’ve said before, if they are going to keep the one week or two week, if a server caps EB and two borders, then give that server a 10% magic find boon and reset the map.

People seem to be of the attitude you should play and enjoy it no matter what. Grow a pair, man up, evolve tactics, winning isn’t everything, accept the challenge all of that stuff is fine on paper, but the fact remains it’s becoming so we can’t do this even if we wish to. No one is there to even form a ten man team with. On my server a lot of folks don’t bother to even hit the “B” button and are now repelled by the thought of WvWvW. A kicked dog learns not to come around.

Something needs to be done, regardless of personal ideals, if they want WvWvW to flourish. I also couldn’t help but to notice a lot of the folks saying people need to take their buttwhipping and power through it are the kickers, not the kickees. This will only increase apathy towards WvWvW, the fact at hand is, people are playing a reward based game, one that holds a carrot out in front of you to advance you. Expecting people who enjoy that sort of thing to think beating them with the stick and doing something unmentionable with the carrot is basically the same thing doesn’t ring true.

I WvWvW, I rarely enjoy it but I play in hopes others will too and we can do something besides be on farm status. Logically my time PvEing is a hundred fold times more productive than my time in WvWvW. How long will I continue to waste money (some of my toons are paupers because of WvWvW), time and effort in a futile endeavor? How about others? I assume even the people who do nothing but roll us on Ferg’s sortta wish, even a little, there was more too it than outnumbering us by three to five times. Sadly I suspect not.

Sadly alot of the people who play mmo’s these days want to rush into the game and feel elite when they go into a fight. When they come across veterans who have been playing Mmo’s that have this sort of combat or even more in depth, they suddenly quit because they refuse to learn.

What we need to do is get a veteran thread started. If you agree with what I am about to propose let me know.
What we need is a veteran’s thread in the forums where people who have played mmo’s where mass pvp war was major thing, can offer a sort of mentor ship. Post your server and a way to be gotten in cantact with, so that people from your server can begin to learn. Now this should not be a forum for people who are like those from WoW no offense, but most of the hardcore pvpers in there are jerks. Not to mention last time I checked WoW wasn’t known for its pvp that made you actually think on a broad scale. They call them Elitests for a reason. What we need are people with an open mind patience and good sense of humor as well as the knowledge of how these sort of game mechanics work.

And can’t stress this enough its a game folks have fun with it. If you need to rage quit then rage quit for an hour or night. Then come back and I assure you, 99% of the time you will find something you like either in the same place you raged or another.

Player One.4932:

I don’t agree that the winners of an imbalanced seven day match are just as victimized as the losing sides. People are saying they are bored as well on the winning side but you have the added benefit of ‘winning’. In addition to stat and health bonuses making ganking and repelling any attempts by the losers much easier, the winners are experiencing the benefits of self validation which is a huge boon psychologically whether you are ‘bored’ or not.

Also, the winning server get the boon of gaining more players. Yak’s Bend server wasn’t full two days ago and now it is. I’m betting a lot of solo players left Darkhaven and Anvil rock for Yak’s. I think the Yak’s, Anvil, Darkhaven triad was an honest mistake.

Ya know, I just can’t feel for you on the winning server when you consistently, 24/7, camp the losers spawn camps with siege and never let anyone out to do anything. If you want a challenge, back the hell off from the spawn camps and take us on out in the field. As long as you camp spawns, you deserve to have nobody to fight, and long periods of boredom. You make this one yourself.

@Whispers

I play on Anvil Rock and we’ve been on the short end of mismatches a lot lately. I was actually arguing against the winners of a mismatch who say they are just as victimized as the losers.

And honestly after that mismatch against Yak’s Bend, I feel like our server eroded a ton as people fled like rats on a sinking ship.

That last mismatch against Yak’s really hurt Anvil Rock’s population. It was bascially a critical hit combo by Anet