wow this week is completely different from last, seems like all the pvp players are taking a break and have been replaced by pve players. I just stepped out of a BL and this was the conversation
“do thieves have an ability to make you skip the downed state?”
“you probably died too much”
“where is our main force?”
“we don’t have one”
“I can’t build siege is this map bugged?”
“you can’t build in the citadel grounds”
“Can I get a rez I’ve fallen off a cliff”
“where are you?”
seriously, our main guilds aren’t showing up (taking a well deserved break probably) and now the maps are full of randoms. Lets hope we hang in there and not drop down to T2 just yet. But a good beating is what is required.
I truly felt sorry for the commanders online having to deal with these people, it was like herding cats.
Lets hope we hang in there and not drop down to T2 just yet. But a good beating is what is required.
SoS just took SMC. +ppt is about the same between all three servers atm. SoS are 15 K behind SBI and a similar margin above JQ. Match is actually pretty close.
SBI has come out hard this week and are currently leading in overall points. My guess is they felt they had something to prove after last week. But as we all know even 30K is nothing in WvW and any of the 3 servers can win this.
oh we dont have something to prove, whatever it is it’s been proven long time ago… but i hope people should realize the SbI that played last week didnt even display 50% of their real force because from what i heard we have outmanned buff the entire week nright off the bat… but then again i prolly am just making an excuse or i can be telling the truth who knows :p
still a long week to go, let’s keep up the good fights
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wow this week is completely different from last, seems like all the pvp players are taking a break and have been replaced by pve players. I just stepped out of a BL and this was the conversation
“do thieves have an ability to make you skip the downed state?”
“you probably died too much”
“where is our main force?”
“we don’t have one”
“I can’t build siege is this map bugged?”
“you can’t build in the citadel grounds”
“Can I get a rez I’ve fallen off a cliff”
“where are you?”
seriously, our main guilds aren’t showing up (taking a well deserved break probably) and now the maps are full of randoms. Lets hope we hang in there and not drop down to T2 just yet. But a good beating is what is required.
I truly felt sorry for the commanders online having to deal with these people, it was like herding cats.
That’s standard fare for being a T1 server. Welcome to the world of band wagoners. Don’t worry, you’ll get used to it.
wow this week is completely different from last, seems like all the pvp players are taking a break and have been replaced by pve players. I just stepped out of a BL and this was the conversation
“do thieves have an ability to make you skip the downed state?”
“you probably died too much”
“where is our main force?”
“we don’t have one”
“I can’t build siege is this map bugged?”
“you can’t build in the citadel grounds”
“Can I get a rez I’ve fallen off a cliff”
“where are you?”
seriously, our main guilds aren’t showing up (taking a well deserved break probably) and now the maps are full of randoms. Lets hope we hang in there and not drop down to T2 just yet. But a good beating is what is required.
I truly felt sorry for the commanders online having to deal with these people, it was like herding cats.
Trust me SBI is dealing with the same thing. Well known and battle-seasoned commanders are ripping their hair out trying to get people to listen to them and follow them. We seem to have gotten an influx of W3 noobs (along with some trolls) who don’t understand the goals and think they always know best.
SoR – Nethernoz (Necro), Zealot of Pain (Guardian), William The Butcher (Ranger)
I’m not going to argue with my commanders about their tactics (I follow my orders), but if SoS can work better with our guild alliances, we might not be able to take out the dreaded War Machine, but give JQ enough of a beating that we can bring Blackgate back to T1.
Turn the table on SBI and 2v1 THEM! into T2
What happened is a tactical error I assume the leadership will sort out for next week. On Saturday morning EST we were up 3k. However SBI literally had their own borderland entirely owned for 8 hours straight. The guild placements were a bit off.
For example WORK was placed on SoS border. I honestly don’t think we were overly needed there. In fact we got so annoyed by all the red on SBI border we went over there for a couple hours…sieged up our supply camp and eventually got our keep and garrisson back.
I believe next week we will see more planned effort put to JQ and SBI borders with a couple more guilds in them. It’s a balancing act….I’m sure JQ and SBI will probably switch things up to.
Perhaps the biggest lesson SoS can take out of this week is that we have to be more flexible about guild map assignments on the fly and be able to adjust appropriately to maps that are getting overwhelmed.
SBI does not have guild map assignments hell I don’t even think JQ does either. We just go where the fights are.
I’m not going to argue with my commanders about their tactics (I follow my orders), but if SoS can work better with our guild alliances, we might not be able to take out the dreaded War Machine, but give JQ enough of a beating that we can bring Blackgate back to T1.
Turn the table on SBI and 2v1 THEM! into T2
Have you looked lately? Blackgate is getting beat by both IoJ and SoR. Also you assume Jade Quarry who has been Tier 1 since launch is just going to let that happen.
no I just bring up Blackgate coz they totally H8 SBI. to the point I would think they would jump at the chance of a 2v1 against them.
JQ is the weak link in T1, atm
I’m not going to argue with my commanders about their tactics (I follow my orders), but if SoS can work better with our guild alliances, we might not be able to take out the dreaded War Machine, but give JQ enough of a beating that we can bring Blackgate back to T1.
Turn the table on SBI and 2v1 THEM! into T2
Isn’t it always a constant 2v1? I mean, all 3 servers are typically fighting a 2 front war, or at least they should be. As for pushing us in to T2, it will happen eventually. Yet, that might be tough with a lot of the crowd here, they don’t like to go down quite easily.
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It is an opportunity to let one of the opposing forces to do all the hard work and then we take over as long as we can beat them. I know because we do it too. There are counters for this but since we lack the numbers we can’t do much about it. Please don’t be butthurt about 2v1. It happens all the time.
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wow this week is completely different from last, seems like all the pvp players are taking a break and have been replaced by pve players. I just stepped out of a BL and this was the conversation
“do thieves have an ability to make you skip the downed state?”
“you probably died too much”
“where is our main force?”
“we don’t have one”
“I can’t build siege is this map bugged?”
“you can’t build in the citadel grounds”
“Can I get a rez I’ve fallen off a cliff”
“where are you?”
seriously, our main guilds aren’t showing up (taking a well deserved break probably) and now the maps are full of randoms. Lets hope we hang in there and not drop down to T2 just yet. But a good beating is what is required.
I truly felt sorry for the commanders online having to deal with these people, it was like herding cats.
Welcome to SBI last week. We were “making excuses though”.
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You mean “your plan”… There’s a difference there, just pointing that out
Perhaps you should get on board and follow plans instead of running wild. Just pointing that out,
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no I just bring up Blackgate coz they totally H8 SBI. to the point I would think they would jump at the chance of a 2v1 against them.
JQ is the weak link in T1, atm
LOL….JQ hates SBI more that BG.
If a JQ squad sees SBI and anyone else fighting, who does JQ kill first? SBI
Likewise, if SBI sees JQ and fighting anyone else, we kill JQ first.
While respect has grown between the two servers, there is definitely strong hate present.
SBI native and Altoholic
[Rage] Smelly Tree Sap — Band Camp Babe — Bannned Character--Spooner
That’s standard fare for being a T1 server. Welcome to the world of band wagoners. Don’t worry, you’ll get used to it.
I would love to agree with you but the problem is we are lacking serious numbers of people that actually have played WvW before. I think they burnt themselves out last week. Now we have everyone lvling up alts. This was another gem I heard from some random
“Do weapons lvl up in here as well”
“NO, if you have a lvl 60 weapon it will be underpowered, what lvl are you”
“10”
“F.F.S”
actually no one said that last line but that’s what I was thinking when I glanced at map chat… I guess if it wasn’t for the bangwagoners we’d have no one on so at least they are a meat shield of sorts. 5
We’ve had this conversation enough times in T1 that I think we can write off anyone that complains about 2v1s. The idea that there is some complicit alliance at work has been debunked to death. What you perceive is just the natural balance of a three way fight.
There are 2 reasons why there would be the appearance of 2v1, one tactical and the other mathematical.
Tactical
If server A is beating up server B, server C can reasonably expect that server B’s defenders will be too busy to respond while they ninja some camps or towers. Also, server C can reasonably fear that server A will have enough defenders to spare for an attack on them if they call attention to themselves by flipping anything.
Server A knows this and allows server C to go about relatively unmolested.
To server B this looks like an alliance but it is really each server just doing what is in it’s best interest.
Mathematically
If servers A and B are tied in points and server C is far behind and server A takes a camp from server C, then server A takes the lead by 5 points.
But if server A takes a camp from server B instead then server A moves into the lead by 10 points.
The assests of you nearest rival are worth twice what the assests of the lowest server are.
And this guy explains it from a more strategic perspective:
The way borderlands are structured necessitates there is 2 attackers vs 1 defender.
West spawn attackers:
You have easy access to south west tower and supply camp and a safe treb from the supply camp that hits both inner and outer walls/doors of west keep. West keep is a very bad keep to hold because it can be safe trebbed from garrison. Very hard to push to a northern tower from west spawn unless you have overwhelming numbers or there is a second attacker creating enough distraction and diverting enough defenders away from the northern towers.
Golem rush on garrison is possible but garrison is easily defended imo despite the number of entry points. The amount of unreachable siege locations means stealth or massively superior numbers are the only real way of breaking an ungraded garrison without holding a northern tower. Garrison watergate is a killzone if your rush is discovered. There are many places to put unreachable arrowcarts and ballistas to kill a force of any size on both inner and outer gate and the lord room is a killzone too if its pre sieged.
East spawn attackers:
You have easy access to south east tower and south east supply camp but your journey north ends here. South east tower can be safe trebbed from east keep. East keep is the most easily defended keep in the game and its very bad if the defending team holds it and upgrades it. The only way to take it is with massively superior numbers after starving it and even then, the inner lord room is a killzone where 15 defenders can reasonably hold against 50 or 60 attackers.
If you have east keep, it is likewise easily defended but of the two northern towers, north east is by far the harder one to assault. The cliffs at north east tower has unreachable ballista/arrow cart spots that make an assault on gate a death trap. You can cat down a wall but must do so between north east tower and garrison leaving you extremely vulnerable to pincer. Generally not possible to take when upgraded unless defending team is divided or seriously lacks numbers/coordination.
Borderland maps are designed to give a favourable advantage to defending teams. This why the most common recommendation is to secure your own borderland first before assaulting anyone else’s borderland. If you can’t secure your own borderland with the forces you have, its highly unlikely you will make much progress as an attacking team unless you have another attacking team to help you divide and conquer the defender.
So all borderland maps should really be played 1 defender vs 2 attackers and the defender’s job is to create conditions that make both attackers go at each other and thus kill themselves. The only legitimate complaints on 2 vs 1 is if both attacking teams have inferior numbers to the defender and attack each other. The only result of that is that you wipe out a weak attacker and have to 1 vs 1 a much bigger defender on a map that gives them a natural advantage.
Also, calling JQ the weak link in T1 is asinine. JQ is the only server that has endured in T1 since launch – SBI got sent down for a week to T2 previously.
You cannot appreciate how strong JQ is until you’ve fought against them for extended periods of time. You can slay them by the hundreds, but their FIRE is endless. Too many of you newcomers think T1 is just a week long battle. It’s an eternal war and JQ is very good at the meta game here.
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That’s standard fare for being a T1 server. Welcome to the world of band wagoners. Don’t worry, you’ll get used to it.
I would love to agree with you but the problem is we are lacking serious numbers of people that actually have played WvW before. I think they burnt themselves out last week. Now we have everyone lvling up alts. This was another gem I heard from some random
“Do weapons lvl up in here as well”
“NO, if you have a lvl 60 weapon it will be underpowered, what lvl are you”
“10”
“F.F.S”
actually no one said that last line but that’s what I was thinking when I glanced at map chat… I guess if it wasn’t for the bangwagoners we’d have no one on so at least they are a meat shield of sorts. 5
My new warrior just hit 10 in WvWvW. Plan to primarily level in WvWvW.
And to correctly answer the guys question, yes he can learn the skills for each weapon in WvW. I got my Hammer, GS, and bow mostly learned in WvW. If you are under 80, I think your weapons base damage scales to 80 regardless of it’s level. (Level 5 white vserus level 50 white might actually do the same damage.) The stats don’t scale as smoothly though. I might test this sometime though. As an altoholic, it gives me something useful to do. (Besides kill JQ and SoS this week.)
SBI native and Altoholic
[Rage] Smelly Tree Sap — Band Camp Babe — Bannned Character--Spooner
p.s. I’m also leveling my alts and alt of my alts in wvw. and i see my guildies doing the same thing. So, it is not just sos have these lowbies, sbi also got someone like me which is underlevelled.
And i’ve seen ppl kiling grubs when we are about to assult jq keep, our commander lost more than half of the zerg, hence the plan failed. The mighty grub protected valley once again. I know these should happen in all T1 servers, we dealt problem with this since August, it’s funny how, even we have a leading like this, we got these ppl never learn to play well. Surely we have great fights, but that is another thing T1 is about.
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no I just bring up Blackgate coz they totally H8 SBI. to the point I would think they would jump at the chance of a 2v1 against them.
JQ is the weak link in T1, atm
LOL….JQ hates SBI more that BG.
If a JQ squad sees SBI and anyone else fighting, who does JQ kill first? SBI
Likewise, if SBI sees JQ and fighting anyone else, we kill JQ first.
While respect has grown between the two servers, there is definitely strong hate present.
Jade Quarry here. I can verify this. Zergy Stormbutts always die first if there is a choice. But honestly, it’s because SBI fellas seem to love to taunt more so (or it seems) than other servers I’ve played against. More power to them, but don’t expect to not be have some hate for the SBI server when opposing players see that.
no I just bring up Blackgate coz they totally H8 SBI. to the point I would think they would jump at the chance of a 2v1 against them.
JQ is the weak link in T1, atm
LOL….JQ hates SBI more that BG.
If a JQ squad sees SBI and anyone else fighting, who does JQ kill first? SBI
Likewise, if SBI sees JQ and fighting anyone else, we kill JQ first.
While respect has grown between the two servers, there is definitely strong hate present.
Jade Quarry here. I can verify this. Zergy Stormbutts always die first if there is a choice. But honestly, it’s because SBI fellas seem to love to taunt more so (or it seems) than other servers I’ve played against. More power to them, but don’t expect to not be have some hate for the SBI server when opposing players see that.
The hatred between SBI and JQ can be traced back to August, let’s say it is historical reason. The respect grows with it since then. JQ is always our first priority, and I guess they have us the same way.
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no I just bring up Blackgate coz they totally H8 SBI. to the point I would think they would jump at the chance of a 2v1 against them.
JQ is the weak link in T1, atm
man… i remember some BG’s saying the same thing and they were sent back flying to T2, you might have just dig your own grave for your server… then again we have to see JQ backing it up… but i believe in JQ, you definitely have no idea how strong they can be, a week’s match is not enough to size up your competition/s
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SBI does not have guild map assignments hell I don’t even think JQ does either. We just go where the fights are.
Not true. I know that the dedicated WvWvW guilds essentially do have map assignments. The problem is, our numbers seem to be getting smaller and smaller, and these dedicated guilds (like mine) find themselves having to leave their assigned BL to help out another BL.
SBI does not have guild map assignments hell I don’t even think JQ does either. We just go where the fights are.
Not true. I know that the dedicated WvWvW guilds essentially do have map assignments. The problem is, our numbers seem to be getting smaller and smaller, and these dedicated guilds (like mine) find themselves having to leave their assigned BL to help out another BL.
I can point out a lot of guilds, such as [WM], [Ph], [LoD], [SF], [Rage], [Sent] and others who will chose maps when they log on and change maps as required through the course of an evening. [NoPe] is more an exception as EB based guild, formed out of players on EB mostly.
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Can one of the JQ commanders ID this guy/guild? I watched him for the better part of 10 minutes…. you know what hes attempting based off the videos that were posted on the forum yesterday…lots of people trying it out.
edit: and yes. I know ONE pic doesn’t prove anything, so I took 30 in various positions up and down the wall, pics of him and I /laughing and /crying when he got to the top and failed, and pics of him almost to the top. : ) I gave the guy A for effort. He was dedicated.
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Last week it was “SBI is known for crappy weekend attendance” to this past weekend being “round-the-clock presence”. Funny how a little motivation can do lots of good. I’m thinking next week, when neither side has an excuse to lean on (new content vs Thanksgiving vacations), will be very telling.
Last week it was “SBI is known for crappy weekend attendance” to this past weekend being “round-the-clock presence”. Funny how a little motivation can do lots of good. I’m thinking next week, when neither side has an excuse to lean on (new content vs Thanksgiving vacations), will be very telling.
The thanksviging/new patch week honeymoon is over. That was last week. SOS skipped it
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The Mord Sith [MORD]
(Borderlands Stationed Commander)
i dont think we are round the clock presence… we still have outmanned buff here and there, i think that goes for every team server… cant wait to play later tonight,
… and yes cover girl, most SbI peeps dont know how to skip holiday events… it is our priority call it the GW1 Syndrome lol (since most players in this server are GW vets)
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SoS’ main force are doing fractals this week, dont get too comfy up there SBI, next week its back on.
That’s such a weak cop-out. Go all in during the ‘holiday/event week’ then expect to be taken seriously if you decide to relax the week after, when the other two servers get off their break.
Sounds like poor decision making being made by SoS to me. There are no breaks in T1, it’s week after week. If you can’t commit one week because you decided to go ‘all in’ the previous week, you may want to consider reviewing your decisions.
The weekend has just ended, there’s no excuse to be pulling the ‘next week’ card already. You can still come back and win, there’s no reason you can’t other than your own servers motivation (or lack of) to do so. Giving up now is basically admitting that you bit off more than you could chew.
SoS’ main force are doing fractals this week, dont get too comfy up there SBI, next week its back on.
Last week when fractals were released, and the one time only new event, SBI players attended… and some SOS players on the forums said “stop making excuses”. when SBI players said next week, some SOS players said “stop making excuses”.
What a difference a week makes.
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