Guild Wars 2

Hello

I had the idea of creating a new character and leveling it trough wvw only, but then i remembered there are no exp rewards in wvw.

So i looked into it a bit further and i remembered i can use tomes of knowledge from reward tracks.

One would need to :

1)Finishing 10 Reward tracks (see below which ones)
2)Approx time: 7h,44min per reward track (with 10% wvw buff from guild)
3)Total approx time: 77h,20min
4)Trough a period of 30 days, one would need to play for 2h,34 minutes per day with max participation
5) This does not count in the 10/16 tomes of knowledge that you can get from daily log in rewards or the ones you get from WvW rank up rewards.
6) This does not count in the reward track progression you gain trough the daily wvw achievements

So here is a nice list of things you get from lvl 2-80 with a character that never left wvw:

-6x Triumphant armor reward track (so you get free 6 pieces of exotic armor)
-1x Gift of battle reward track (in case you dont have one, but would want one in the future.
-3/4x Hero Weapon reward track (3x if you did the gift of battle track, 4 if not. You get 3/4 rare weapons with cool skins)

Total Rewards:

-Lootbox: 251-264 (0-251/264 spirit shards)
-Veteran Lootbox: 39/43 (117/129 obsidian shards)
-Champion Lootbox: 34/39 (bunch of Empyrial fragments, Dragonyte ore and Bloodstone dust)

-Memory of battle: 155/170 (6,93G)
-Transmutation charge: 20/24
-Crafting material Coffer: 37/41
-Superior Blueprints: 81/90 (23,25g)
-Obsidian shard: 12
-Mystic clover: 2
-2 extra Tomes of Knowledge (2 spirit shards)

-Exotic Triumphant armor: 6
-Rare Hero weapons: 3/4
-Gift of battle: 1

Would i recommend leveling a character this way? Not at all:

-WvW is not for everyone
-Its not a efficient way to level up (but could be drastically improoved via WvW rank up rewards + daily log in rewards + Daily wvw Achievements)
-Its not a efficient way to gear up (youll mostly get random blues and greens tho the option of buying rares/exotics with badges is there)
-The majority of time you will be under powered compared to others (low level, weak gear, some skills but mostly trait lines are locked away all the way to lvl 75)
-Being under powered most of the time you are not really a use to anyone in a large scale battle (exclusives exist)

Why would anyone even try this?

-Personal challenge /side project
-Doing it on a “forgiving” class such as a thief where you can use your high mobility to gain participation from scouting,tagging enemy zergs and soloing guards.
-Its quite a fun idea, tho not many players have the will or patience to try it out. (they would just use their already stacked up dusty ToK to instant lvl a character)

So what are your thoughts?

Go play EOTM if you plan to do this. Playing thief is a bad idea as you are likely to end up dead a lot without contributing much, but that won’t matter in EOTM.

You’re basically a walking loot bag as a low level toon. A free res for an enemy downed in zerg fights.

You’re not helping anyone doing this except yourself, and in fact are damaging your server.

You would be much better off instant 80 with tomes and then spend the 80 hours or so actually running a decent build with foods etc.

Baldrick.8967:

Go play EOTM if you plan to do this. Playing thief is a bad idea as you are likely to end up dead a lot without contributing much, but that won’t matter in EOTM.

You’re basically a walking loot bag as a low level toon. A free res for an enemy downed in zerg fights.

You’re not helping anyone doing this except yourself, and in fact are damaging your server.

You would be much better off instant 80 with tomes and then spend the 80 hours or so actually running a decent build with foods etc.

I have the feeling like you didn’t quite understand the thief part, or that you didn’t even read the part where i don’t recommend doing this…

Also doing it in EotM awards about 50 points less per tick so it would take about 25% longer to do it with the method mentioned above.

It’s not like you need to actively play for the 80hrs… You just need to get 195 participation, afk in some corner and cap a sentry every 15mins.
Also, I don’t get the “Basically you are a walking lootbag and will hurt your server more than help” argument… I know plenty of lvl 80 dudes who are more useless than competent people in upleveled toons. Besides, it’s not like WvW is queued 24/7 so there is plenty of space for everyone.
“Oh, and the PPK?” Caring about scores in 2k17, lul…

Jeknar.6184:

It’s not like you need to actively play for the 80hrs… You just need to get 195 participation, afk in some corner and cap a sentry every 15mins.
Also, I don’t get the “Basically you are a walking lootbag and will hurt your server more than help” argument… I know plenty of lvl 80 dudes who are more useless than competent people in upleveled toons. Besides, it’s not like WvW is queued 24/7 so there is plenty of space for everyone.
“Oh, and the PPK?” Caring about scores in 2k17, lul…

I also know plenty of platinum level toons that farmed their rank or are just plain useless too. I’m sure we all do.

On a given skill level, an upscaled is less useful than a full 80. If the map’s q’d than having 10-20 people afk as you suggested isn’t much fun for the fights when one side has 10-20 people more in their zerg ball.

I also know that at certain levels and certain classes upscaleds used to have more stats than lvl80’s- having levelled several toons in EOTM/wvw myself. You can be quite useful as an upscaled and take part rather than afk- sentries, camps, tagging objects and my personal favourite which is putting down a catapult and ruining some walls well away from the main fights then letting the comm know when it’s down).

If there is no q (so do it outside of prime time most days) then be my guest and afk to your heart’s content.

Not bothered about the score, more interested in fielding full complement of people not hampered by a bunch of afk’rs.

It’s more an issue of people being useful if the map is full.

I levelled all but my first character in WvW, before we had tombs of knowledge as well or EOTM!

It was easy then, because WvW wasnt dead! Even with the bugs players played in WvW.
But it is still easy today, as you said you get tombs from the reward track.
And if you’ve played a lot and not wasted your tombs, you should have a stack or 2 in your bank. Enough to level 3 characters to 80 just by clicking.

Those that have been here since the beginning have a pile of level 40 scrolls also.

While i do understand the reality with using tomes from other sources and even scrolls, as well as there being other better ways to lvl up a alt faster, this post isnt about trying to find the best most efficient way to lvl a alt…

This thread shows how long does it take to lvl a character only using WvW with a simple +10% reward track booster (NOT including 10/16 ToK from daily log in rewards you can get trough 30 days, or the extra bonus reward track progression you get by doing daily WvW achievements).

This thread also shows what rewards you would get if you level to 80 using 10 tracks that grant you a set of exotic armor and 3/4 rare weapons. Clearly you can go do other reward tracks like 10 arah dungeon reward track (same amount of ToK, 10 exotic armor, 30 exotic weapons +tons of dungeon tokens)

Again..im well aware of better and more efficient ways to lvl up an alt. Please read again the final 2 parts where i explain why i would not recommend this kind of leveling and why would anyone want to do this and it should be clear

I haven’t tried it since the new reward track and changes came around but leveling in WvW use to be a ton of fun and very easy.

Low level players used to get buffed quite a bit (probably still do), so even if you only have a couple abilities, you can still be competitive. It would slow down a bit after level 60 or so but was still very doable. I leveled a bunch of my tunes with most of their time in WvW.

Grim West.3194:

I haven’t tried it since the new reward track and changes came around but leveling in WvW use to be a ton of fun and very easy.

Low level players used to get buffed quite a bit (probably still do), so even if you only have a couple abilities, you can still be competitive. It would slow down a bit after level 60 or so but was still very doable. I leveled a bunch of my tunes with most of their time in WvW.

Yes it was true. But that was cause you gained chunks of exp from events and kills and such and they removed that part.
Now you can level up only via ToK that you get from wvw reward tracks and you get about 1 per hour if you are only using max participation and the 10% bonus from guild hall.

Considering the pace of leveling you will need about 19 hours before you can have a full set of weapon and utility skills (no ultimate or traits).

The milestones would be:
-20 for full weapon and utility
-21 for most of the first trait line
-31 for elite
-45 for most of the 2nd trait line
-75 for 3rd trait line.

Everything between is a character with mixed stats that you get from loot (unless you spend badges on specific gear with your lvl) and missing skills/traits.

But there are few situations where all that is just fine.
In my example a theif only needs signet of shadows and a shortbow 5 to be able to scout, spot enemies and call them out in /team chat, refresh siege. He can also spam choking gass as a “lots of red circles lets go away” thing vs the enemy zergs

Some other classes can also be useful with specific abilities such as elementalists water fields, necromancers fear.

Sure you could do that but I think it would be much better to level up like this via PvP and use a dungeon path to get 3 exo weapons too
only when you are lvl 80 go into WvW as being upscaled in WvW is really not so fun