Guild Wars 2

Puck.9612:

This is a joke right?

No its not. Duels and GvG do not belong to WvW from my perspective. GvG has a really nice area in Obsidian. I went there to watch. My preferred option would be a PvP map because then the teams have equal opportunities in terms of classes/builds.

azyume.6321:

Ask for the roamers, to stop attacking them because only want to do daily and missions? Yeah, that’s called PvE, they are in the wrong place if can’t handle the player versus player aspect.

I dont care about dailys. I care about my area, my towers and keeps. I care about scouting, defending, team tactics, etc. and clearly not about some random players rushing around. Let me add that I also play PvP (with some success).

azyume.6321:

As has been pointed out and apparently some people conveniently ignores is that duelers are usually roamers. You know, those players who engage the other roamers trying to flip your camps, the ones who flips your own camps back, kills sentry, yaks, give important intel about zerg movements and tracks, refresh siege, kill the enemy zerg tail.

I’d like very well to see a server function without any roamer, want to see the zerg go rolling through all and wasting time and their ppt bringing 50 people to flip camps and go on searching the other zerg and etc.

I think my playing style would be considered as roaming as well. I do what you decribe. I flip our camps, flip our own camps back, kills sentry, yaks, give important intel about zerg movements and tracks, and refresh siege (just to go through your list). The only thing I dont do is that I camp around sm and wait for someone to arrive or I dont stand in a group of 5 outside a tower waiting for a player to come out. I fully understand it when I get attacked while flipping a camp or while running around in the enemy’s territory. I fully understand that fighting a threat is part of the game mechanics. However, I dont understand e.g. the extreme case. A group of players in front of our spawn waiting for someone to come out and farm. I personally would consider the behaviour even as coward style.

I would like to add that I understand players who want to duel. However, I think it would be better to implement the option in PvP. The dueling around sm is annoying. I remember getting flamed because I killed one of the duellers. Then I went to a duel and won. Afterwards I did what I normally do. 3 min. later I got flamed for not allowing a revenge. I dont want to duel!

I want you to think about it and give an honest answer. What would you say about a duelling area in hotm? You dont have to wait for opponents, you get opponents from all servers, you dont have to wait in a q to get on a map, you can actually be rated according to your skill, you can be sure that your opponent has proper gear (and not all blue). I dont see why you should prefer the side of sm towards a duelling arena!

azyume.6321:

It is a PvP map, so is it too much to ask from people to understand and keep that in mind when they enter the WvW realm?

It is a WvW map, not a PvP map. There is a small difference. PvP is about killing other players. You get points per kill. The points per kill were taken out of WvW. It brings nothing to the tick and hence no points for the team. WvW has a much higher focus on strategy, objects and large scale fights. It is a comparison of a world in total with another world in total. There is a game mode for players who want to compare their skill with other players. It is called PvP.

gloflop.3510:

It is a WvW map, not a PvP map. There is a small difference. PvP is about killing other players. You get points per kill.

The points per kill were taken out of WvW.

It brings nothing to the tick and hence no points for the team. WvW has a much higher focus on strategy, objects and large scale fights. It is a comparison of a world in total with another world in total. There is a game mode for players who want to compare their skill with other players. It is called PvP.

You’re on a serious trip dude. Points per kill is in the game.

WvW is spvp on a larger scale, instead of capping capture points you’re capping structures. There’s all type of players that play in there, it’s not meant for just mindless zergs. If all you want to do is make the trip around the map capping camps, hey that’s your business, but there’s much more to wvw than just going around taking stuff.

gloflop.3510:

I want you to think about it and give an honest answer. What would you say about a duelling area in hotm? You dont have to wait for opponents, you get opponents from all servers, you dont have to wait in a q to get on a map, you can actually be rated according to your skill, you can be sure that your opponent has proper gear (and not all blue). I dont see why you should prefer the side of sm towards a duelling arena!

1. Classes/builds are not balanced in 1vs1, so even in PvP duels are not always fair.
2. PvP is very limited when it comes to (viable) builds – and this limitation doesn’t lead to better balance -> see above.
3. In a duel both player agree to fight each other. If a player feels disadvantaged, he can always refuse a duel.

gloflop.3510:

It is a WvW map, not a PvP map. There is a small difference. PvP is about killing other players. You get points per kill. The points per kill were taken out of WvW. It brings nothing to the tick and hence no points for the team. WvW has a much higher focus on strategy, objects and large scale fights. It is a comparison of a world in total with another world in total. There is a game mode for players who want to compare their skill with other players. It is called PvP.

WvW isn’t called PvP to distinguish it from structured PvP, but techically both game modes are PvP. And sPvP isn’t more about killing players than WvW. It is about gaining score to win a match. Killing players is part of it, but not the main goal. It is possible to win a match without a single kill. Dueling in PvP is as “unofficial” as dueling in WvW. Some prefer dueling in PvP, others dueling in WvW – both has advantages and disadvantages and both is done “just for fun”. Which is all what matters, it is a game after all (same goes for zerging, roaming, scouting, GvG, watching fights, PvD or whatever people enjoy to do).

And when did they remove points per kill? As far as i know, it is enabled since HoT – instead of the old bloodlust points.

Hmm both opinions expressed are correct here. Duelers take space on the map while people who wanna go and roam, flip camps, take keeps and generally contribute are w8ing in the queue.
On the other hand, having the freedom to do whatever u want is one of the beauties of wvw.
All in all, unless there is some actual reward to winning in points, not much incentive for people to protest, just leave it be.

Even if winning would matter – you can’t measure the “value” of a player. Sure, some things like killing dolyaks, flipping camps and commanding might be obvious. But a dueler who keeps an enemy busy might be more “valuable” than a zergling who does nothing but tagging doors, lords and downed players with autoattacks. Or somebody who gets killed over and over again when trying to get to the zerg or somewhere else. And what if the person who gets farmed was just unlucky and is usually more “usefull” ? Valuable or not? A scout can be give important information to allies – or sit in an uncontested tower all day long, doing essentially nothing.
Everyone has the same right to play WvW as long it isn’t violating official rules.

This topic is so ridiculous.

If you want to duel in eb, nobody can tell you not to. It is very obvious why people duel; its challenging and to many way more FUN then zerging. It is also very obvious why you go to EB for this; there currently are no other wvw maps. An empty map is not a wvw map, it is just a digital environment.

God, these zerglings and their problems.

Xenesis.6389:

You’re on a serious trip dude. Points per kill is in the game.

Please take back the trip. I dont take illegal drugs and dont want to be put anywhere near it. As far as I remember it was one of the critiques for HoT. Please excuse if I dont look up the forum now. I have better things to do. I couldnt fint any evidence in wiki. The game release note were also not helpful (in any direction).

To the rest of your post: WvW is more than just flipping something. It is a highly strategic game mode. Duelling simply annoys me in my way of playing and I expect you to accpet my opinion.

gloflop.3510:

gloflop.3510:

I want you to think about it and give an honest answer. What would you say about a duelling area in hotm? You dont have to wait for opponents, you get opponents from all servers, you dont have to wait in a q to get on a map, you can actually be rated according to your skill, you can be sure that your opponent has proper gear (and not all blue). I dont see why you should prefer the side of sm towards a duelling arena!

1. Classes/builds are not balanced in 1vs1, so even in PvP duels are not always fair.
2. PvP is very limited when it comes to (viable) builds – and this limitation doesn’t lead to better balance -> see above.
3. In a duel both player agree to fight each other. If a player feels disadvantaged, he can always refuse a duel.

1+2 I agree but think that PvP is still more balanced than WvW-builds.
3 I experienced different… Lets leave it here.

UmbraNoctis.1907:

gloflop.3510:

It is a WvW map, not a PvP map. There is a small difference. PvP is about killing other players. You get points per kill. The points per kill were taken out of WvW. It brings nothing to the tick and hence no points for the team. WvW has a much higher focus on strategy, objects and large scale fights. It is a comparison of a world in total with another world in total. There is a game mode for players who want to compare their skill with other players. It is called PvP.

WvW isn’t called PvP to distinguish it from structured PvP, but techically both game modes are PvP. And sPvP isn’t more about killing players than WvW. It is about gaining score to win a match. Killing players is part of it, but not the main goal. It is possible to win a match without a single kill. Dueling in PvP is as “unofficial” as dueling in WvW. Some prefer dueling in PvP, others dueling in WvW – both has advantages and disadvantages and both is done “just for fun”. Which is all what matters, it is a game after all (same goes for zerging, roaming, scouting, GvG, watching fights, PvD or whatever people enjoy to do).

Any player can do whatever he wants as long as he doesnt disturb/annoy me. I dont have patience for players who take “their fun” on my costs. Annoying is in my perspective allowed as long as it is in line with the philosophy behind the game mode. Duelling belongs from the philosophy to sPvP. I think there we agree. I see the disadavantage of not having a 1 vs. 1 arena there.

I tend to disagree with your definitions for sPvP and WvW. SPvP is more about killing, WvW about holding objects/structures. Yes of course you could win without a single kill. However, the game mode is structured the way that it is highly unlikely to do so. I think I never won when my team had not a single kill.

General remark: I stated my opinion. I stated my perception and beliefs. I originate from a country which still applies the freedom of speech. I expect that you respect my opinion.

gloflop.3510:

Yes, your definition of WvW vs. sPvP is slightly better. SPvP is about killing, WvW about holding objects/structures.

Did you misunderstud me? SPvP is NOT more about killing than WvW. Killing players is part of PvP, but not the main goal. You can win a PvP match without a single kill. Holding objects (“capture points”) is more important.

Btw, why don’t you ignore duelers? You can just pretend they are not there and they won’t annoy you anymore, right?

UmbraNoctis.1907:

Btw, why don’t you ignore duelers? You can just pretend they are not there and they won’t annoy you anymore, right?

They dont leave me alone. I suddenly get attacked right in front of sm (we hold it). Of course I can just walk straight forward and get inside. Does it annoy me anyway? yes!

OS is dead because it’s laggy. High end competition is impossible when the problem is server side.

gloflop.3510:

They dont leave me alone. I suddenly get attacked right in front of sm (we hold it). Of course I can just walk straight forward and get inside. Does it annoy me anyway? yes!

Anyone can attack you, it doesn’t have to be a dueler. And attacking other players is simply part of the game mode. It can be annoying, sure. Many other things can be annoying too. As long those are not against the rules, staying away from “annoyances” is the only thing you can do.

Edit: Winning a WvW match without killing players is as unlikely as winning a pvp match without a kill.

gloflop.3510:

General remark: I stated my opinion. I stated my perception and beliefs. I originate from a country which still applies the freedom of speech. I expect that you respect my opinion.

As an American who believes wholeheartedly in the concept of freedom of speech, you have no idea what that term means. Freedom of speech means you are allowed to have and share whatever opinion you want, it does not disallow for criticism of you opinion.

If I hold the opinion that the clouds in the sky are made of bubblegum flavored unicorns, that’s my right, but that doesn’t mean others have to accept my opinion as reality.

You come across as sheltered, overly sensitive, and entitled, just so you know. And to be fair you are entitled to your opinion, but just because you’re emotional and sensitive about it doesn’t make your opinion right. Stop throwing around things like freedom of speech and how your opinion is valid simply because it’s your opinion. Grow up.

gloflop.3510:

UmbraNoctis.1907:

Btw, why don’t you ignore duelers? You can just pretend they are not there and they won’t annoy you anymore, right?

They dont leave me alone. I suddenly get attacked right in front of sm (we hold it). Of course I can just walk straight forward and get inside. Does it annoy me anyway? yes!

That’s not what is classified as a dueler, that would be a roamer. Roamers are players who moving around the map and when they see a player that looks like a vulnerable, easy kill, they jump on that target.

Congratulations, roamers see you as easy prey. Get over it. Roamers don’t care if you’re having fun dying to them. They don’t care if it annoys you. You drop a loot bag, and sometimes, if the roamer is lucky, you’ll put up a decent fight instead of running to the nearest door.

Learn to fight against players that jump on you out in the open, or sit in a tower all day afraid to come out and play, it’s up to you. But roamers aren’t going to suddenly change what they’re doing just because your fee fees got hurt.

Xenesis.6389:

gloflop.3510:

It is a WvW map, not a PvP map. There is a small difference. PvP is about killing other players. You get points per kill.

The points per kill were taken out of WvW.

It brings nothing to the tick and hence no points for the team. WvW has a much higher focus on strategy, objects and large scale fights. It is a comparison of a world in total with another world in total. There is a game mode for players who want to compare their skill with other players. It is called PvP.

You’re on a serious trip dude. Points per kill is in the game.

Lol, you just made my night with this comment.

It’s actually a great example of how Anet should be careful with feedback on this forum, because subsequent posts the guy stubbornly insists you’re wrong

godz raiden.2631:

If I hold the opinion that the clouds in the sky are made of bubblegum flavored unicorns, that’s my right, but that doesn’t mean others have to accept my opinion as reality.

RESPECT not accept! I want my right to hold the opinion that the clouds in the sky are made of bubblegum flavoured unicorns. You dont have to take it as yours. Especially not attack me for my opinion as you did with the words “grow up”. There you are attacking my dignity.

godz raiden.2631:

That’s not what is classified as a dueler, that would be a roamer. Roamers are players who moving around the map and when they see a player that looks like a vulnerable, easy kill, they jump on that target.

Congratulations, roamers see you as easy prey. Get over it. Roamers don’t care if you’re having fun dying to them. They don’t care if it annoys you. You drop a loot bag, and sometimes, if the roamer is lucky, you’ll put up a decent fight instead of running to the nearest door.

Learn to fight against players that jump on you out in the open, or sit in a tower all day afraid to come out and play, it’s up to you. But roamers aren’t going to suddenly change what they’re doing just because your fee fees got hurt.

Ok, let me describe the setting better. I run from my keep, an enemy stands at the side. He is at the normal duel position. Shall I regard him as a dueller or roamer? I get closer, close to my guards and it is vitually impossible to get me down before Im in. Then he attacks lightly. Then he wants to push me into a duel. Of course the player is bored but Im not there to entertain him! From a strategic perspective, his action makes no sense.

I know how to fight. As I pointed out before, I have played a number of PvP matches with some success. I just dont think such fights belong to WvW! There needs to be some strategic value, some likelihood of getting me down. I experience it so many times that this is not given. It is a bored dueller waiting for an opponent.

Anyone can attack you, it doesn’t have to be a dueler. And attacking other players is simply part of the game mode. It can be annoying, sure. Many other things can be annoying too. As long those are not against the rules, staying away from “annoyances” is the only thing you can do.

Im not saying that it is against the game mechanics/rules. Im just saying that I dont like it and I dont want to get attacked or insulted because I state an opinion others may not agree with (as some here did).

Jayne.9251:

Xenesis.6389:

gloflop.3510:

It is a WvW map, not a PvP map. There is a small difference. PvP is about killing other players. You get points per kill.

The points per kill were taken out of WvW.

It brings nothing to the tick and hence no points for the team. WvW has a much higher focus on strategy, objects and large scale fights. It is a comparison of a world in total with another world in total. There is a game mode for players who want to compare their skill with other players. It is called PvP.

You’re on a serious trip dude. Points per kill is in the game.

Lol, you just made my night with this comment.

It’s actually a great example of how Anet should be careful with feedback on this forum, because subsequent posts the guy stubbornly insists you’re wrong

It wasn’t in the wiki I must be wrong! lol

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-January-26-2016

Points per Kill

• Each enemy player killed in WvW now grants 1 point of War Score to your team.
• This change was made in order to allow players who focus primarily on killing enemy players to contribute more to the team’s overall success.
• Points are awarded for kills and stomps equally.
• Any team who has tagged the kill will get a point. For example, if the red and blue teams have both tagged a green player, and the green player dies, both the red team and the blue team will get 1 point.

gloflop.3510:

RESPECT not accept! You dont have to take it as yours. Especially not attack me for my opinion as you did with the words “grow up”. There you are attacking my dignity.

Ok, let me describe the setting better. I run from my keep, an enemy stands at the side. He is at the normal duel position. Shall I regard him as a dueller or roamer? I get closer, close to my guards and it is vitually impossible to get me down before Im in. Then he attacks lightly. Then he wants to push me into a duel. Of course the player is bored but Im not there to entertain him! From a strategic perspective, his action makes no sense.

I know how to fight. As I pointed out before, I have played a number of PvP matches with some success. I just dont think such fights belong to WvW! There needs to be some strategic value, some likelihood of getting me down. I experience it so many times that this is not given. It is a bored dueller waiting for an opponent.

Im not saying that it is against the game mechanics. Im just saying that I dont like it and I dont want to get attacked or insulted because I state an opinion others may not agree with (as some here did).

Opinions deserve to be mocked, rejected, and attacked when they are ridiculous, foolish, or otherwise harmful in some regard. You don’t even understand what dueling is judging by what you just typed, so please forgive us roamers and those of us who duel from time to time if we reject your opinion and mock it openly.

The setting you described is absurd. What does “pushing you into a duel” mean? Do you even understand the unwritten customs of duelists? Did he use the /bow emote directed at you before jumping on you? Didn’t seem like it from the little anecdote you shared. That’s not a duelist. That’s a roamer trying to gank you and stop you from getting safely into your keep.

There is strategic value in a roamer ganking you and sending you back to spawn. If you can’t realize that, you’re beyond help at this point. Your opinion is immediately invalidated since you don’t understand your corpse represents one less player that will be an immediate threat to your opponents server. If I gank an Ele running into SM to defend it from my home server’s zerg that’s currently fighting in the lord’s room, that’s one less meteor shower my guys have to worry about, a couple less water fields to worry about, one less static field to worry about, etc. Do you understand how that’s valuable? Or are you going to continue thinking the only way to play this game mode is to run from tower to tower and smack gates and walls with siege?

And so what if a dueler gets bored and goes out searching for something to kill? Welcome to sand box large scale PvP.

I’m going to go ahead and let you reread the last part of that horrendous post you just blessed our eyes with:

“Im not saying that it is against the game mechanics/rules. Im just saying that I dont like it and I dont want to get attacked or insulted because I state an opinion others may not agree with (as some here did).” -gloflop 2016

What this actually says:

“I know the game allows for anybody to randomly attack anybody in WvW, but that makes me frustrated when it happens to me so I think it shouldn’t be allowed to happen.” – Every carebear who ever got ganked running to their zerg August 28, 2012 – April 28, 2016

You are not entitled to the safety that walls provide in WvW. If you make inside your keep before a roamer takes you down, good for you. If not, respawn, dust yourself off, and try again. But don’t for a second come on here telling us roamers that we’re the problem because we annoy you. If anything is annoying it’s your ridiculous opinion that has no place in a game mode like WvW.

All these kitten morons ‘Your q spot is not more important than mine" wahwahwah. Like, come on. That’s not what this is about and if you didn’t have the reading comprehension of a 7 year old you’d know you are just being asked to go to OS so that your play style doesn’t hamper MANY other people. OS dueling means no one interrupting your dueling, no long runs back to your dueling spot, and no mistaking a solo person or duo passing by as duelers. Stop being so sensitive and closed off to such a simple suggestion that assists everyone in playing more efficiently. You are seriously children if this is too difficult.

“what happened to taking the pvp out of wvw”

I doubt it was ever a thing and if it was it wasn’t since the first iteration of point per stomp

What a silly question

DeeSystm.1256:

“what happened to taking the pvp out of wvw”

I doubt it was ever a thing and if it was it wasn’t since the first iteration of point per stomp

What a silly question

Another example of an “I only read titles” troll. Nice dude.

Sommazzatore.8367:

All these kitten morons ‘Your q spot is not more important than mine" wahwahwah. Like, come on. That’s not what this is about and if you didn’t have the reading comprehension of a 7 year old you’d know you are just being asked to go to OS so that your play style doesn’t hamper MANY other people. OS dueling means no one interrupting your dueling, no long runs back to your dueling spot, and no mistaking a solo person or duo passing by as duelers. Stop being so sensitive and closed off to such a simple suggestion that assists everyone in playing more efficiently. You are seriously children if this is too difficult.

Oh yeah I’m sure they’ll follow up on your suggestion after throwing out so many insults.

Know what this all sounds like? Those achievement hunters our HoT maps seriously screw up our meta events, they need to leave and go into another instance!

Play your own game and stop worrying about others, your way of playing is not the only way wvw. I also paid for the game so I will kitten well will play where I want, whenever I want, and if that means going into ebg primetime with a 75 man queue so I can go roleplay make out with my girlfriend in dredge tunnel ain’t nothing you can do about it!

Sommazzatore.8367:

All these kitten morons ‘Your q spot is not more important than mine" wahwahwah. Like, come on. That’s not what this is about and if you didn’t have the reading comprehension of a 7 year old you’d know you are just being asked to go to OS so that your play style doesn’t hamper MANY other people. OS dueling means no one interrupting your dueling, no long runs back to your dueling spot, and no mistaking a solo person or duo passing by as duelers. Stop being so sensitive and closed off to such a simple suggestion that assists everyone in playing more efficiently. You are seriously children if this is too difficult.

Is your first sentence really a complaint about roamers/duelers saying everyone has an equal right to a spot in queue for a WvW map? Haha that’s kittening hilarious that you think you’re entitled to something over others. If anything is childish, it’s that mentality. Hop off your high horse and realize you’re nothing special.

In my experience, most players that engage in duels do not do so for lengthy periods of time if they’re on a map like EBG. They may find themselves dueling someone from time to time, but those are also the players who are running around solo capping camps, killing dolyaks, and capping sentry points. They also gank enemies trying to get to their zerg and into their structures. To think that those activities are somehow less valuable to your server simply because they aren’t blobbing around with the rest of you dolts is pure stupidity. No ifs. No ands. No buts. That is a stupid opinion to hold.

Lastly, you’re calling us roamers/duelers the sensitive ones? You’re the ones who keep making threads and posts complaining about other people playing a game. Holy kitten man, if anyone is a child here it’s you: “Someone else is playing with this toy, so I can’t play with it at the moment. I deserve to play with it more than he does because I know how to play with it right!”

azyume.6321:

Thelgar.7214:

I can understand the sentiment. If people don’t want to play with duelers, people tagging up to do dailies or guild missions, people who don’t want to join on the “official” tag, people without meta builds or certain equipment, uplevels, or whatever, giving them a place to play sGvG isn’t a bad idea. It appears to be what they are asking for…

Ask for the roamers, to stop attacking them because only want to do daily and missions? Yeah, that’s called PvE, they are in the wrong place if can’t handle the player versus player aspect.

As has been pointed out and apparently some people conveniently ignores is that duelers are usually roamers. You know, those players who engage the other roamers trying to flip your camps, the ones who flips your own camps back, kills sentry, yaks, give important intel about zerg movements and tracks, refresh siege, kill the enemy zerg tail.

I’d like very well to see a server function without any roamer, want to see the zerg go rolling through all and wasting time and their ppt bringing 50 people to flip camps and go on searching the other zerg and etc.

It is a PvP map, so is it too much to ask from people to understand and keep that in mind when they enter the WvW realm?

You took my post completely the wrong way. It had nothing to do with the roamer not attacking people. It was in reference to the people that are intolerant of anyone on the map not doing what they want them to do, play the way they want them to play, etc. If they want a restricted environment, then ANet should make them a sGvG area.

Go To OS

I’m not going to go to OS for a guy I just met to duel him for 15-20 mins while it will take me an hour or two to get back into EB

Red Its Dead

Go for it, attack that dueler. I guarantee s/he will beat you

Queue Spots

I didn’t realise you were more important that everyone else. Please tell me who made you so important. Also if your “skilled” zerg needs that 5-10 extra people to beat their map zerg, which also has 5-10 people duelling, then i’m sorry but its time you stopped blaming everyone else and look at yourself and improve your mechanical skill levels.

I think they duel in wvw, cause wel you know… your figthing 1vs1 and with the thrill… that you might be zerged over when you almost had that guy…. lol

Like fighting a guy with zombies all around you that can kill you… so exciting…\

I do agree with the OS tho it was made for GvG and duelling mostly.I heard a lot people in those days complaining that something like that was not made straight from the game start…. and i wonder how many people actually use it today…..

this OP is one of the sad examples of “my space on the map is more important than yours” and tbh after years of playing WvW from any perspective I still do not understand why people are so keen on telling others they have no place on a map.

it sadly occurs from time to time and in diverse directions like
“the zergling or commander telling the dueller to gfo the map cause they keep wiping,
the guildraidmember telling the zergling or scout to gfo the map, cause they only die and can’t do nothing,
the guildraid are called useless cause they only scrim (albeit another guild^^)
the scouts are called decoration or useless cause they didn’t defend all by themselves and call for help,
roamers are called useless, albeit taking small objectives round the clock,
the duellers ganking the zerglings and wondering why they are overrun by the zerg after…..”

BUT I have fortunately had many good examples of stuff being different in WvW!
→ the zerglings working with the scouts, the guildraids and the roamers
and the duellers duelling each other
and everybody kills each other happily ever after

Loosmaster.8263:

Read the description of what WvWvW is. This will answer a lot of your questions. Any deviation from that is by your own design and not intended for the original game mode. You create your own problems and expect Anet to fix it.

I’m starting an animal roleplay club in ebg. We all que up and when we get in we transform into animals and roam around the map. We bring dynamic wildlife to the players of wvsw.

Anyone Wanna join?

I’ll extend the inv to the OP, I think he/she needs a new perspective of the world……..vsworldvsworld.

Cerby.1069:

Loosmaster.8263:

Read the description of what WvWvW is. This will answer a lot of your questions. Any deviation from that is by your own design and not intended for the original game mode. You create your own problems and expect Anet to fix it.

I’m starting an animal roleplay club in ebg. We all que up and when we get in we transform into animals and roam around the map. We bring dynamic wildlife to the players of wvsw.

Anyone Wanna join?

I’ll extend the inv to the OP, I think he/she needs a new perspective of the world……..vsworldvsworld.

Silenced Assassins used to do this all the time. The Jellyfish transformation was the most hilarious. I miss Spirit and building 10 Superior Golems for him.

Cerby.1069:

Loosmaster.8263:

Read the description of what WvWvW is. This will answer a lot of your questions. Any deviation from that is by your own design and not intended for the original game mode. You create your own problems and expect Anet to fix it.

I’m starting an animal roleplay club in ebg. We all que up and when we get in we transform into animals and roam around the map. We bring dynamic wildlife to the players of wvsw.

Anyone Wanna join?

I’ll extend the inv to the OP, I think he/she needs a new perspective of the world……..vsworldvsworld.

I regularly transform into a giant spider and chase people with the birthday blaster.

Cerby.1069:

Loosmaster.8263:

Read the description of what WvWvW is. This will answer a lot of your questions. Any deviation from that is by your own design and not intended for the original game mode. You create your own problems and expect Anet to fix it.

I’m starting an animal roleplay club in ebg. We all que up and when we get in we transform into animals and roam around the map. We bring dynamic wildlife to the players of wvsw.

Anyone Wanna join?

I’ll extend the inv to the OP, I think he/she needs a new perspective of the world……..vsworldvsworld.

Elona does this daily. It’s part of why they’re fun to find.

I find this thread funny. Most duels tend to happen because people are roaming. Most scout report happen because players are roaming. QQ all you want about them but they’re better players then the brainless zerglings. Go to PvE if you can’t handle smaller scale fights

So I decided to check the “official” WvW forums after a year since I stopped playing this game mode and the first thread I read is a person complaining about people fighting other people. I guess most people that cared moved on for a good reason.

This thread should be merged with the one that wants to take worlds out of WvW.

Kayberz.5346:

Also, there is a difference between a ROAMER actually capping camps and checkpoints while picking off stray players and KILLING them vs a dueler who just stands there outside smc 1v1ing til down state then letting them get back up.
The roamers actually contribute, thats an actual legitimate wvw playstyle

PS: dueling is FINE if there is no queue, but the moment your taking someone elses spot on the map that is actually trying to play the mode the way its intended is when you start being a problem

The arrogance of some ppl is unbelievable, you and the rest with the same mindset are the problem.