Guild Wars 2

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Wanderer.3248:

lmperdigao.2567:

BG focus on fights now, not in PPT.

The losing server always says this.

Remind me again what did you get for grinding ppt for hours to win last week? Oh thats right..nothing. Hollow victories are great aren’t they?

Nice try, but I’m not in YB. I’ve just seen enough of these threads over the years to have seen most servers claim that they’re not about PPT. When BG was in top spot it was the other servers claiming that they’re all about the fights.

But if it makes you feel better about pixels vs pixels, say what you want.

Wanderer.3248:

X T D.6458:

Wanderer.3248:

lmperdigao.2567:

BG focus on fights now, not in PPT.

The losing server always says this.

Remind me again what did you get for grinding ppt for hours to win last week? Oh thats right..nothing. Hollow victories are great aren’t they?

Nice try, but I’m not in YB. I’ve just seen enough of these threads over the years to have seen most servers claim that they’re not about PPT. When BG was in top spot it was the other servers claiming that they’re all about the fights.

But if it makes you feel better about pixels vs pixels, say what you want.

Remind me again what do you get for grinding ppt for hours to win? Oh thats right..nothing. Hollow victories are great aren’t they?

Wanderer.3248:

lmperdigao.2567:

BG focus on fights now, not in PPT.

The losing server always says this.

Obviously? Duh?

You’re making the wrong assumption. Is not because a server is losing the PPT run that they use this excuse. Is because they focus in fights that they lose the PPT run. Servers can lose because they try to out-PPT their opponents and they fail, or servers can lose because they don’t even tryhard to begin with. No one is walking the extra mile to get more PPT or having it as the main focus of their playtime. Of course they will lose if the opponents care more about PPT. This isn’t rocket science to understand.

If BG out of nowhere start to win week after week, there’s 3 possibilities: BG got so much coverage that playstyle don’t even matter (even fight guilds will capture a tower out of boredom), or the other servers lost a huge amount of coverage (and then BG playing normally would have more PPT), or BG did start to care more about PPT and is focusing on it. Again, obviously the server that focus less on PPT will have a worse score. When losing or winning only means a extra chest or not of two blues and a green, people start to value other stuffs besides PPT score.

EDIT: broken english, isn’t my first language.

Wanderer.3248:

lmperdigao.2567:

BG focus on fights now, not in PPT.

The losing server always says this.

We’ve said that even when we were winning PPT. Your point is rather irrelevant. PPT isn’t a function of skill or server organisation and until it is, winning means nothing.

Well BG is humping the PPT this week. I suspect spring break has allowed them to maintain a very high population. Looks like when BG has players and coverage they do exactly what YB and pretty much every other server does.

Straegen.2938:

Well BG is humping the PPT this week. I suspect spring break has allowed them to maintain a very high population. Looks like when BG has players and coverage they do exactly what YB and pretty much every other server does.

Except we don’t build stifling amounts of siege (siege obviously present for defensive purposes). Nor do we port out just because a wall got breached.

Yes, every server builds siege to defend. No server is going to let an opposing server freely karma train if they can help it. There’s also very few servers that also actively avoids risky fights like YB in general does (several recent transfers not withstanding). Nor are there that many servers that actively avoids the fights to go to another map to PPT like YB (again, in general) does.

This week isn’t BG going “PPT tryhard”. It’s because we’ve been always more active over the weekends and, with the reset time reverted back to Friday, allowed us to push for a bigger lead from reset, benefiting us a lot in terms of activity (which correlates with PPT).

Straegen.2938:

Well BG is humping the PPT this week. I suspect spring break has allowed them to maintain a very high population. Looks like when BG has players and coverage they do exactly what YB and pretty much every other server does.

BG have never purposefully avoided fights and backcapped and relied on as much siege in fights as YB does.

BG has never, in my 3+ years playing them, avoided fights by leaving the borderland to go PvD empty structures instead. If they want PPT, they’ll beat it out of you… not your doors.

It seems to be the mentality of yb players, where ppt is everything and all that matters. They cant seem to tell the difference between people just normally capping/defending stuff, and actually grinding PPT the entire week to win a matchup. Do they think we just stand around in a random place waiting for enemies to pass by? Is that what they think when we say we prefer fights over spending time grinding ppt all week?

zhonnika.1784:

BG has never, in my 3+ years playing them, avoided fights by leaving the borderland to go PvD empty structures instead. If they want PPT, they’ll beat it out of you… not your doors.

Yep! Been playing against BG since the long ago times of SoR/BG/JQ. If they are beating you in PPT they went through you to get to their objective. Not over, not around. If you won the fight, you were sure they were coming back for round 2 or 3. The fights came first. They know how to use map politics, how to fight.

BG is just like all the other servers that I have faced. When a big guild group shows up they blob down whatever they can. If they don’t have a large guild group running on a map, they PvD just like everyone else. Oh and there is nothing wrong with flipping objectives if that is what a player likes to do. I roam but I generally don’t gripe about players enjoying the game the way they want.

As for the fighting thing, YB lacks a large organized guild. It is not fun to continually run pugs into a group like Sekz and get bag farmed. If YB had a large organized guild I am sure the style of fighting would be different but finding 30 man guild groups is pretty rare these days. Only so much a commander can do with fewer zerg numbers and no control over their builds.

As for the siege thing… everyone sieges and about the only difference between most servers and YB is that YB refreshes their siege more consistently. It is expected when facing larger numbers or more organized game play. Servers try and “win” with the tools they have and that has been a pretty big constant on all the servers I have played on (NS→BP→HoD→Mags→YB→TC→FA→YB)

Straegen.2938:

As for the fighting thing, YB lacks a large organized guild. It is not fun to continually run pugs into a group like Sekz and get bag farmed. If YB had a large organized guild I am sure the style of fighting would be different but finding 30 man guild groups is pretty rare these days.

……………………..wot?

Shadows Creed.3902:

Hilarious this thread is at 3 pages.

All I got from this thread is:
1. BG can’t handle anyone claiming the aren’t best
2. BG hates YB
3. YB embraces BG hate (proud of you YB really channeling your inner Mag)
4. JQ is this random server who just exists
5. BG claims to never ppt or use any siege (which we all know is lies since they don’t loose by all that much)

6. everyone is afraid of the ET and FC bandwagon that is coming to T1!!!

7. People are abandoning BG.
8. BG lives in the former glory days like a washed up football player who peaked in high school.

Straegen.2938:

As for the siege thing… everyone sieges and about the only difference between most servers and YB is that YB refreshes their siege more consistently. It is expected when facing larger numbers or more organized game play. Servers try and “win” with the tools they have and that has been a pretty big constant on all the servers I have played on (NS->BP->HoD->Mags->YB->TC->FA->YB)

I disagree with this. When two zergs meet, BG/JQ usually stacks up, stacks might and prepares to push. YB either runs into the newest structure or drops multiple siege. there are exceptions to every rule of course, but that is the norm.

And size doesnt matter. I was in a pug group just this morning with 8 people. We ran into a YB zerg with 18+. YB still dropped 2 ACs in the open field. When we fell back some they just hugged them for about 8-10 minutes, hoping we’d charge them. We eventually circled around them and hit them from a different route and they fled into a tower and started building even more acs. Thats when we figured our time was better spent elsewhere and left.

BG/JQ, from my experience, does build siege. But they tend to use it more in towers then in the open field. Very rarely will you see either BG or JQ drop siege in the open world (other than for taking towers/keeps of course).

BG is boring. When they don’t blob up with a dozen guilds they run away to the nearest portal and man 20 ACs. Useless server needs to be replaced with a more relevant one. ASAP.

:D

mulzi.8273:

I disagree with this. When two zergs meet, BG/JQ usually stacks up, stacks might and prepares to push. YB either runs into the newest structure or drops multiple siege. there are exceptions to every rule of course, but that is the norm.

It is the norm because BG has large organized fighting guilds that tend to dominate EBG during NA Prime. Outside of NA prime, they scatter, get mowed down and run into towers and build siege like every other server when they are out gunned. The only time I have seen this not be the case on any server was in the GvG era particularly on Mags but those days are way behind all of us.

BG is not some mythical fighting server full of epic top tier players the likes no other server has seen before. Pretty much every server is the same as every other server and the ebb/flow of fighting changes based on populations, guild organizations and PUG commanders. Both JQ (Kalkz if he is still on JQ) and YB (DK) have excellent PUG commanders but YB doesn’t have that old school Agg or similar fighting guild.

As I have said before, YB is decentralized lacking a dominant guild. The downside is that it is difficult to rally against other large organized guilds. The upside is that YB isn’t prone to collapse when a large guild logs for the night. Same basic game play as every other server.

All servers PvD and use seige but when it’s virtually all a server can offer opponents, it becomes a problem especially at this stage in the game where PPT is what it is. YB doesn’t have to be outgunned to resort to this, even vs other pug groups and this isn’t some myth.

gennyt.3428:

All servers PvD and use seige but when it’s virtually all a server can offer opponents, it becomes a problem especially at this stage in the game where PPT is what it is. YB doesn’t have to be outgunned to resort to this, even vs other pug groups and this isn’t some myth.

No need to argue about this. YB’s own success at reaching Rank 1 as players leave the game and remove the obstacles that used render that playstyle ineffective is its own proof that it isn’t a myth.

And why not? T1 is known for exploiting various flaws in WvW to stay in T1 and exploiting population and coverage to do it. #buygate

Dhemize.8649:

BG is boring. When they don’t blob up with a dozen guilds they run away to the nearest portal and man 20 ACs. Useless server needs to be replaced with a more relevant one. ASAP.

:D

^
This guy gets it!

The approach I’ve seen from JQ/BG was siege was used to counter siege. Build rams, you’d see an arrowcart or a treb to counter that. The enemy placed an arrowcart to take care of your arrowcart or treb, you build a ballista. This was ok. This was logical and it became a mini game of breaking into a keep. They build a lot of siege on one side, rush another side.

But we face a problem with the new maps and YB. The new maps have tunnel neck points of entry. Firekeep has 2 gates to inner, but both gates can be defended easily. This allows YB to place a lot of siege eliminating that minigame. This problem furthers with YB. Once you break into the keep, where as JQ or BG will place maybe 1 or 2 defensive ac’s typically, they would rush down and fight it out in lords room or in the stairs coming up. YB will have 5 arrowcarts on each side, 2 shield gens, and a ballista.

This initially was a pain in the kitten but has spread to other servers. Now all servers must build that kind of defense, because if you dont, then you get YB building Ac’s every 15 steps towards lords, siege creeping you out.

There are many wonderful guilds on YB that give great fights. Several that use amazing strategies which although a pain in the kitten , are totally commendable [shout out to T-rex]. But then you get the guilds that will just siege creep for days, when they’re even numbered. not much fun.

I believe that YB can be a great server to face off. When fighting against ONS, BOO, etc, and there is no siege, the fights are never really a one push deal. its this back and forth that entertains us all.

I know many YB’rs who hate the siege kittening. So i speak to you. be proactive in your communities to put it down. Its not a getting on a high horse, but more of a realization that losing a keep or tower with a good fight is still a win.

tldr; YB stop placing so much kitten siege. Its great, you can hold a keep forever and ever. But you’re not acclimating to your highest potential of some great fights. I get it when the enemy runs big. place siege down. But the enemy isn’t ALWAYS bigger than you. :P so avoid the siege more often.

P.S. > dont siege paper keeps so intensely. Its paper. Flip that for days on end.

BG PPTing and zerging hard this week. Not a complaint as I have enjoyed the fights even if the roaming has sucked a bit. I just wish their zerg was a bit less organized because picking stragglers off hasn’t been easy either.

LoneWolfSpectre.6412:

tldr; YB stop placing so much kitten siege. Its great, you can hold a keep forever and ever. But you’re not acclimating to your highest potential of some great fights. I get it when the enemy runs big. place siege down. But the enemy isn’t ALWAYS bigger than you. :P so avoid the siege more often.

So long as YB is decentralized, it will never have a strong open field. When a commander has 5 guild mates and 30 PUGs against a 30 man guild with another 20 pugs, rolling into that is just suicide. Every server at various times of the day is faced with this scenario and almost every time they will avoid the larger force, fight on a wall, etc.

YB has mastered fighting without a large unified force and has somehow managed to stay in T1 and PPT win most weeks which is a feat not possible a couple years ago. Basically it boils down to why should YB play BG’s game when it does not have the same resources?

Mmm, this is one of those match up threads that has surprising gone undone by the moderators.

Straegen.2938:

YB has mastered fighting without a large unified force and has somehow managed to stay in T1 and PPT win most weeks which is a feat not possible a couple years ago. Basically it boils down to why should YB play BG’s game when it does not have the same resources?

Sadly, in regards to mastery of staying up in tiers and PPT…there isn’t anything magical or amazing that any particular server does/has done. The way a 24/7 game stands now is this, if you have more coverage you will score higher. It doesn’t have to do with any particular display of skill on the battle field, or having any form of “server community.” Anyone that is unaware probably has not been playing WvW for very long. As moving up tiers has always been the willingness (or the excitement value) to cap objectives (undefended or defended) with the numbers across all timezones.

While the below information may be dated (there has been exodus of Sea players for example), this is the coverage that has made T1 servers today…

JQ has stayed in T1 due to stronger Sea/OCX compared to T2 and below
BG has stayed in T1 due to stronger Sea/NA compared to T2 and below
YB has made it to T1 due to stronger EU/NA compared to T2 and below

Chinchilla.1785:

Sadly, in regards to mastery of staying up in tiers and PPT…there isn’t anything magical or amazing that any particular server does/has done. The way a 24/7 game stands now is this, if you have more coverage you will score higher. It doesn’t have to do with any particular display of skill on the battle field, or having any form of “server community.” Anyone that is unaware probably has not been playing WvW for very long. As moving up tiers has always been the willingness (or the excitement value) to cap objectives (undefended or defended) with the numbers across all timezones.

I agree with the coverage statements as YB has decent coverage through most of a day in comparison to BG/JQ and PPT has a direct coverage relationship. That said, YB has managed to keep its PPT and population numbers up despite not having a large organized guild and running entirely via PUG zerg which is unique at this level. They have also fostered a culture of refreshing siege which is also somewhat rare these days.

The YB of today is really only possible because of WvW population attrition. Its ability to sustain PPT in this environment is especially impressive to me since most servers crater long before they make it into T1 much less sustaining that for months afterwards. Having been on several servers and seen various modes of gameplay, YB is one of the more unique… not my favorite cough Mag during the GvG era cough but still fun nonetheless.

Oh and I enjoy the BG/JQ fights as well as respect their various talented players… even QQ… even QQ when they are relentlessly chasing me half way across a map.

Straegen.2938:

As for the fighting thing, YB lacks a large organized guild. It is not fun to continually run pugs into a group like Sekz and get bag farmed. If YB had a large organized guild I am sure the style of fighting would be different but finding 30 man guild groups is pretty rare these days.

If you will cover the transfer costs [DOLO] might entertain trimming their numbers down to 30. Contact Mini Jak (Jak.9247) in game.

Why is it I see people, no matter what server, always seeming to copy paste the same tired arguement that their server is noble, honorable and wanting to fight while the others are filled with filthy cheaters, hacks and casuals? Seriously is there a Google doc for this?

Wvw match decided by which server has more SAB players? Will be interesting to see tonight…..

Shadows Creed.3902:

Hilarious this thread is at 3 pages.

All I got from this thread is:
1. BG can’t handle anyone claiming the aren’t best
2. BG hates YB
3. YB embraces BG hate (proud of you YB really channeling your inner Mag)
4. JQ is this random server who just exists
5. BG claims to never ppt or use any siege (which we all know is lies since they don’t loose by all that much)

6. everyone is afraid of the ET and FC bandwagon that is coming to T1!!!

7. People are abandoning BG.
8. BG lives in the former glory days like a washed up football player who peaked in high school.

And
9. BG wants to be “good friends” with JQ therefore they always drop to their knees whenever JQ wants them to.
10. BG can never do anything on their own without JQ. JQ is the master. BG is the slave. End of story…. boo hoo.

Elizabeth Reed.9173:

Shadows Creed.3902:

Hilarious this thread is at 3 pages.

All I got from this thread is:
1. BG can’t handle anyone claiming the aren’t best
2. BG hates YB
3. YB embraces BG hate (proud of you YB really channeling your inner Mag)
4. JQ is this random server who just exists
5. BG claims to never ppt or use any siege (which we all know is lies since they don’t loose by all that much)

6. everyone is afraid of the ET and FC bandwagon that is coming to T1!!!

7. People are abandoning BG.
8. BG lives in the former glory days like a washed up football player who peaked in high school.

And
9. BG wants to be “good friends” with JQ therefore they always drop to their knees whenever JQ wants them to.
10. BG can never do anything on their own without JQ. JQ is the master. BG is the slave. End of story…. boo hoo.

Scoreboard
JQ 215 246
YB 266 079
BG 270 006

RodOfDeath.5247:

Scoreboard
JQ 215 246
YB 266 079
BG 270 006

Yeah… BG is blobbing hard this week and it is pretty fantastic. I don’t know if it Spring Break or the rumors about temporary new accounts on BG is true but I don’t care. I hope BG keeps this level of play up.

As for any large guilds wanting to xfer into T1, probably best to go to JQ at this point to even things out a bit. IMO even fights are the best fights… nobody likes to get blobbed over and blobbing over everything isn’t fun either.

Today is an example of how YB plays: YB has Stonemist, and BG jumps into EB and attacks Stonemist. YB, after a very light token resistance, decides to zone out into a different map and captures as much as possible to pad their ppt (right now they have all of Blackgate map after BG just took smt). Once BG leaves EB to take back their map, YB zones back to recapture stonemist.

This is what PPT has done to WvW. Its turned it into a ktrain and avoiding fights. Whether its right or wrong, I will not judge BG/YB or JQ either way. Anet made it this way, and the players either play that way or say screw it. But frankly, its boring as kitten to PvD all the time with fights few and far between. And even the fights are not really player vs player as much anymore, its more player vs siege…

Elizabeth Reed.9173:

Shadows Creed.3902:

Hilarious this thread is at 3 pages.

All I got from this thread is:
1. BG can’t handle anyone claiming the aren’t best
2. BG hates YB
3. YB embraces BG hate (proud of you YB really channeling your inner Mag)
4. JQ is this random server who just exists
5. BG claims to never ppt or use any siege (which we all know is lies since they don’t loose by all that much)

6. everyone is afraid of the ET and FC bandwagon that is coming to T1!!!

7. People are abandoning BG.
8. BG lives in the former glory days like a washed up football player who peaked in high school.

And
9. BG wants to be “good friends” with JQ therefore they always drop to their knees whenever JQ wants them to.
10. BG can never do anything on their own without JQ. JQ is the master. BG is the slave. End of story…. boo hoo.

Low grade salt bait. I can’t in good conscience endorse. /thumbs down

Elizabeth Reed.9173:

4. JQ is this random server who just exists
9. BG wants to be “good friends” with JQ therefore they always drop to their knees whenever JQ wants them to.
10. BG can never do anything on their own without JQ. JQ is the master. BG is the slave. End of story…. boo hoo.

This part made my day

Straegen.2938:

RodOfDeath.5247:

Scoreboard
JQ 215 246
YB 266 079
BG 270 006

Yeah… BG is blobbing hard this week and it is pretty fantastic. I don’t know if it Spring Break or the rumors about temporary new accounts on BG is true but I don’t care. I hope BG keeps this level of play up.

As for any large guilds wanting to xfer into T1, probably best to go to JQ at this point to even things out a bit. IMO even fights are the best fights… nobody likes to get blobbed over and blobbing over everything isn’t fun either.

Not seeing Bg blobs too much. I am seeing multiple guilds on BG though. After all they are more of a guild oriented server. I think they come together to fight zergs perhaps because of aoe wars

Hmm… A few BG guilds that I won’t mention (but have a lot of cheerleaders posting in this thread) have been in full PPT mode. All of this talk about YB this and that, meanwhile BG is tryharding on empty maps. Thought PPT was a “dead game mode”, yet here we are… I just think it’s funny that so many condemn YB while they do the exact same things (or at least try to). Nobody really denies what YB does but I don’t understand why others have to live in a delusional world.

Of course there will be posts saying “we don’t care” etc when BG places 2nd again. But you know. Kek

mulzi.8273:

Today is an example of how YB plays: YB has Stonemist, and BG jumps into EB and attacks Stonemist. YB, after a very light token resistance, decides to zone out into a different map and captures as much as possible to pad their ppt (right now they have all of Blackgate map after BG just took smt). Once BG leaves EB to take back their map, YB zones back to recapture stonemist.

This is what PPT has done to WvW. Its turned it into a ktrain and avoiding fights. Whether its right or wrong, I will not judge BG/YB or JQ either way. Anet made it this way, and the players either play that way or say screw it. But frankly, its boring as kitten to PvD all the time with fights few and far between. And even the fights are not really player vs player as much anymore, its more player vs siege…

Yes that is a great example of how BG needed their entire server to blob down an empty SMC instead of responding to a threat and getting fights. And they say BG is super organized? I don’t see it.

Dhemize.8649:

Hmm… A few BG guilds that I won’t mention (but have a lot of cheerleaders posting in this thread) have been in full PPT mode. All of this talk about YB this and that, meanwhile BG is tryharding on empty maps. Thought PPT was a “dead game mode”, yet here we are… I just think it’s funny that so many condemn YB while they do the exact same things (or at least try to). Nobody really denies what YB does but I don’t understand why others have to live in a delusional world.

Of course there will be posts saying “we don’t care” etc when BG places 2nd again. But you know. Kek

Like its been said over and over BG focuses on PPT when it has to, not every hour of every day like yb, so your comparison is innacurate.

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Dhemize.8649:

Hmm… A few BG guilds that I won’t mention (but have a lot of cheerleaders posting in this thread) have been in full PPT mode. All of this talk about YB this and that, meanwhile BG is tryharding on empty maps. Thought PPT was a “dead game mode”, yet here we are… I just think it’s funny that so many condemn YB while they do the exact same things (or at least try to). Nobody really denies what YB does but I don’t understand why others have to live in a delusional world.

Of course there will be posts saying “we don’t care” etc when BG places 2nd again. But you know. Kek

Like its been said over and over BG focuses on PPT when it has to, not every hour of every day like yb, so your comparison is innacurate.

Oh? And why does BG “have to” right now? Fear of falling T2 next week? smh

Dhemize.8649:

X T D.6458:

Dhemize.8649:

Hmm… A few BG guilds that I won’t mention (but have a lot of cheerleaders posting in this thread) have been in full PPT mode. All of this talk about YB this and that, meanwhile BG is tryharding on empty maps. Thought PPT was a “dead game mode”, yet here we are… I just think it’s funny that so many condemn YB while they do the exact same things (or at least try to). Nobody really denies what YB does but I don’t understand why others have to live in a delusional world.

Of course there will be posts saying “we don’t care” etc when BG places 2nd again. But you know. Kek

Like its been said over and over BG focuses on PPT when it has to, not every hour of every day like yb, so your comparison is innacurate.

Oh? And why does BG “have to” right now? Fear of falling T2 next week? smh

Sure, why not. If thats what you want to believe, go nuts.

X T D.6458:

Dhemize.8649:

X T D.6458:

Dhemize.8649:

Hmm… A few BG guilds that I won’t mention (but have a lot of cheerleaders posting in this thread) have been in full PPT mode. All of this talk about YB this and that, meanwhile BG is tryharding on empty maps. Thought PPT was a “dead game mode”, yet here we are… I just think it’s funny that so many condemn YB while they do the exact same things (or at least try to). Nobody really denies what YB does but I don’t understand why others have to live in a delusional world.

Of course there will be posts saying “we don’t care” etc when BG places 2nd again. But you know. Kek

Like its been said over and over BG focuses on PPT when it has to, not every hour of every day like yb, so your comparison is innacurate.

Oh? And why does BG “have to” right now? Fear of falling T2 next week? smh

Sure, why not. If thats what you want to believe, go nuts.

So your argument of BG only doing PPT when it has to is incorrect. Surprise.

Dhemize.8649:

X T D.6458:

Dhemize.8649:

X T D.6458:

Dhemize.8649:

Hmm… A few BG guilds that I won’t mention (but have a lot of cheerleaders posting in this thread) have been in full PPT mode. All of this talk about YB this and that, meanwhile BG is tryharding on empty maps. Thought PPT was a “dead game mode”, yet here we are… I just think it’s funny that so many condemn YB while they do the exact same things (or at least try to). Nobody really denies what YB does but I don’t understand why others have to live in a delusional world.

Of course there will be posts saying “we don’t care” etc when BG places 2nd again. But you know. Kek

Like its been said over and over BG focuses on PPT when it has to, not every hour of every day like yb, so your comparison is innacurate.

Oh? And why does BG “have to” right now? Fear of falling T2 next week? smh

Sure, why not. If thats what you want to believe, go nuts.

So your argument of BG only doing PPT when it has to is incorrect. Surprise.

k. If thats what you want to believe, go nuts.

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Dhemize.8649:

X T D.6458:

Dhemize.8649:

X T D.6458:

Dhemize.8649:

Hmm… A few BG guilds that I won’t mention (but have a lot of cheerleaders posting in this thread) have been in full PPT mode. All of this talk about YB this and that, meanwhile BG is tryharding on empty maps. Thought PPT was a “dead game mode”, yet here we are… I just think it’s funny that so many condemn YB while they do the exact same things (or at least try to). Nobody really denies what YB does but I don’t understand why others have to live in a delusional world.

Of course there will be posts saying “we don’t care” etc when BG places 2nd again. But you know. Kek

Like its been said over and over BG focuses on PPT when it has to, not every hour of every day like yb, so your comparison is innacurate.

Oh? And why does BG “have to” right now? Fear of falling T2 next week? smh

Sure, why not. If thats what you want to believe, go nuts.

So your argument of BG only doing PPT when it has to is incorrect. Surprise.

k. If thats what you want to believe, go nuts.

Having PPTed all week and hanging out with NPCs seems to have taken its toll on your scripted dialog. I assume you admit defeat. Kek.

Dhemize.8649:

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Hmm… A few BG guilds that I won’t mention (but have a lot of cheerleaders posting in this thread) have been in full PPT mode. All of this talk about YB this and that, meanwhile BG is tryharding on empty maps. Thought PPT was a “dead game mode”, yet here we are… I just think it’s funny that so many condemn YB while they do the exact same things (or at least try to). Nobody really denies what YB does but I don’t understand why others have to live in a delusional world.

Of course there will be posts saying “we don’t care” etc when BG places 2nd again. But you know. Kek

Like its been said over and over BG focuses on PPT when it has to, not every hour of every day like yb, so your comparison is innacurate.

Oh? And why does BG “have to” right now? Fear of falling T2 next week? smh

Sure, why not. If thats what you want to believe, go nuts.

So your argument of BG only doing PPT when it has to is incorrect. Surprise.

k. If thats what you want to believe, go nuts.

Having PPTed all week and hanging out with NPCs seems to have taken its toll on your scripted dialog. I assume you admit defeat. Kek.

Sure, why not. If thats what you want to believe, go nuts.

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Hmm… A few BG guilds that I won’t mention (but have a lot of cheerleaders posting in this thread) have been in full PPT mode. All of this talk about YB this and that, meanwhile BG is tryharding on empty maps. Thought PPT was a “dead game mode”, yet here we are… I just think it’s funny that so many condemn YB while they do the exact same things (or at least try to). Nobody really denies what YB does but I don’t understand why others have to live in a delusional world.

Of course there will be posts saying “we don’t care” etc when BG places 2nd again. But you know. Kek

Like its been said over and over BG focuses on PPT when it has to, not every hour of every day like yb, so your comparison is innacurate.

Oh? And why does BG “have to” right now? Fear of falling T2 next week? smh

Sure, why not. If thats what you want to believe, go nuts.

So your argument of BG only doing PPT when it has to is incorrect. Surprise.

k. If thats what you want to believe, go nuts.

Having PPTed all week and hanging out with NPCs seems to have taken its toll on your scripted dialog. I assume you admit defeat. Kek.

Sure, why not. If thats what you want to believe, go nuts.

Don’t mind me as I stand in the thread’s circle and flip it for the tick. Lol! For the bend!!

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Hmm… A few BG guilds that I won’t mention (but have a lot of cheerleaders posting in this thread) have been in full PPT mode. All of this talk about YB this and that, meanwhile BG is tryharding on empty maps. Thought PPT was a “dead game mode”, yet here we are… I just think it’s funny that so many condemn YB while they do the exact same things (or at least try to). Nobody really denies what YB does but I don’t understand why others have to live in a delusional world.

Of course there will be posts saying “we don’t care” etc when BG places 2nd again. But you know. Kek

Like its been said over and over BG focuses on PPT when it has to, not every hour of every day like yb, so your comparison is innacurate.

Oh? And why does BG “have to” right now? Fear of falling T2 next week? smh

Sure, why not. If thats what you want to believe, go nuts.

So your argument of BG only doing PPT when it has to is incorrect. Surprise.

k. If thats what you want to believe, go nuts.

Having PPTed all week and hanging out with NPCs seems to have taken its toll on your scripted dialog. I assume you admit defeat. Kek.

Sure, why not. If thats what you want to believe, go nuts.

Don’t mind me as I stand in the thread’s circle and flip it for the tick. Lol! For the bend!!

Noted.

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Hmm… A few BG guilds that I won’t mention (but have a lot of cheerleaders posting in this thread) have been in full PPT mode. All of this talk about YB this and that, meanwhile BG is tryharding on empty maps. Thought PPT was a “dead game mode”, yet here we are… I just think it’s funny that so many condemn YB while they do the exact same things (or at least try to). Nobody really denies what YB does but I don’t understand why others have to live in a delusional world.

Of course there will be posts saying “we don’t care” etc when BG places 2nd again. But you know. Kek

Like its been said over and over BG focuses on PPT when it has to, not every hour of every day like yb, so your comparison is innacurate.

Oh? And why does BG “have to” right now? Fear of falling T2 next week? smh

Sure, why not. If thats what you want to believe, go nuts.

So your argument of BG only doing PPT when it has to is incorrect. Surprise.

k. If thats what you want to believe, go nuts.

Having PPTed all week and hanging out with NPCs seems to have taken its toll on your scripted dialog. I assume you admit defeat. Kek.

Sure, why not. If thats what you want to believe, go nuts.

Don’t mind me as I stand in the thread’s circle and flip it for the tick. Lol! For the bend!!

Noted.

Get a room, you two.

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Today is an example of how YB plays: YB has Stonemist, and BG jumps into EB and attacks Stonemist. YB, after a very light token resistance, decides to zone out into a different map and captures as much as possible to pad their ppt (right now they have all of Blackgate map after BG just took smt). Once BG leaves EB to take back their map, YB zones back to recapture stonemist.

YB simply does not have the capability to go full force against the larger guilds on BG. As stated many times, YB doesn’t have a large organized fight guild. No commander can lead a group of PUGs against a guild like Sekz and consistently win.

What YB does have is a lot of smaller guilds that keep to themselves and do their own thing. This leads to a lot of PPT as YB spreads out but also means there are very very few map rallies. Simply put YB does not typically have a force that can take on a large BG guild as well as their PUGs in one unified force. Most of the time they augment with siege to defend WPs otherwise they backcap and wait for the big zergs to get into a poor position.

YB plays the way any server with its guild structure would. BG plays the way a heavy guild server would. Neither is any better or worse just two ways to enjoy playing a game. If BG wants to square off against organized large guilds, it probably needs to head to T2.

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mulzi.8273:

Today is an example of how YB plays: YB has Stonemist, and BG jumps into EB and attacks Stonemist. YB, after a very light token resistance, decides to zone out into a different map and captures as much as possible to pad their ppt (right now they have all of Blackgate map after BG just took smt). Once BG leaves EB to take back their map, YB zones back to recapture stonemist.

YB simply does not have the capability to go full force against the larger guilds on BG. As stated many times, YB doesn’t have a large organized fight guild. No commander can lead a group of PUGs against a guild like Sekz and consistently win.

What YB does have is a lot of smaller guilds that keep to themselves and do their own thing. This leads to a lot of PPT as YB spreads out but also means there are very very few map rallies. Simply put YB does not typically have a force that can take on a large BG guild as well as their PUGs in one unified force. Most of the time they augment with siege to defend WPs otherwise they backcap and wait for the big zergs to get into a poor position.

YB plays the way any server with its guild structure would. BG plays the way a heavy guild server would. Neither is any better or worse just two ways to enjoy playing a game. If BG wants to square off against organized large guilds, it probably needs to head to T2.

Mulzi probably doesn’t realize we did have a sizable force with 2 tags on EBG (for once). that could at least engage the omni blob. When we left EBG it was because one of the comms tagged down for dinner. As he was coming back in an hour, others took that opportunity to do something else as well for that hour. Result was the fighting force was halved so the ones that didn’t log went to a bl where fights that aren’t one big omni blob can be found.

Can we drop to T2 already and let YB nurse their ACs in peace? I’m not paying to transfer just for the hour I play per week.

If BG wanted fights all they would have to do is split up into groups of 10ish. There would be skirmishes everywhere. But if they’re really that unwilling maybe it’s best they go to T2. Unlikely though because JQ is hanging out and TC is caught in a snag.

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Can we drop to T2 already and let YB nurse their ACs in peace? I’m not paying to transfer just for the hour I play per week.

I think most fight servers/guilds would be happier in tier 3 and below where the capture activity is much lower. Since the fight guilds don’t see any relationship between capture activity and fights, they shouldn’t expect see a reduction in fights due to the lack of captures. I think that is a win for everyone.