Guild Wars 2

I remember they were really bad, then a bunch of guilds and people transferred to the server for WvW. Then they started falling rank and now they are dropping really heavily. Did everyone on the server just stop doing WvW? Or is their server population going to kitten? Just really curious thats all and am wondering what others think on the matter. Thanks

Kaineng imploded months ago

Hello Sophie,

I was in Kaineng. The NA and SEA guilds transferred in Dec/Jan and Kaineng rose to T2. Kaineng stayed at T2 for quite a while and when the SEA guilds left, the NA guilds too and after that Kaineng started falling through the ranks. The last serious WvW guild “WvW Guild” left about 2-4 weeks ago and they are in TC.

FW

We’re still dropping to our current rank, but the community is awesome again, theres been a lot of ups and downs, but were doing fine now

Basically what happened was that near the end of free transfers (Feb ‘13), Kaineng had the bandwagon join. Several guilds hoped to make Kaineng the next T1 server together. However this didn’t work out as planned, Kaineng got stuck in T2 and didn’t get the extra players needed to reach T1.

Once it became clear we weren’t going up to T1, slowly but surely the guilds that bandwagoned on started leaving. Because of this we started dropping, making more of those guilds leave as a chain reaction. This caused Kaineng to be up way too high for our coverage and number of organized guilds.

By now, the bandwagon is gone. I don’t think any of those guilds is still playing on our server.

Since they started leaving we’ve been dropping in rating, but the last few matches we’ve been coming in at 2nd place again. We’re still losing rating, but winning most of our fights. PPT is still not great, but we’ll get there.

We’ve had some reinforcements from guilds sick of queues, looking for some good fights in a mid-tier server. This is helping us stabilize – I think we won’t drop much further. I think we’ll end up somewhere at rank 15.

A lot of people still hold a grudge against Kaineng. When the bandwagon kicked off we stomped everything in our path on the way up the rankings, angering many people. And I can see why – it completely ripped apart the balance of the lower tiers when we rushed up. However, I’d like to remind everyone that that Kaineng is not the current Kaineng.

The current Kaineng is mostly a group of dedicated people who stayed true to their home, made the best out of a bad situation and still has to deal with all the kitten the bandwagon left behind for us with their departure. In addition to that there’s a few guilds like [BMS] that have joined our community and became a valued part of our team. All of that is finally paying off now that we’re getting closer to the rank we’re supposed to be, giving Kaineng a good future as mid-tier server.

Seems to be pretty similiar to Eredon Terrace. In fact, I could have taken “Kaineng” out of TCDJ’s replies and inserted “Eredon Terrace” for almost all of it.

For those with some familiarity with Kaineng, what tier do you feel they are now? I’m curious if we’ll have some good battles between Anvil Rock, Ferguson’s Crossing, Eredon Terrace, and/or Kaening in the near future. It’s surely got to beat the matches we’re in now.

Imo kaineng is not t8 server, as long as we don’t lose anymore guilds, but i do want to have 1 week of dr/kn/fc x)

Pretty much everything that TCDJ said. Most of the community is basically those who were here before the bandwagoners came to try and pump up to t1, minus [WvW]. But in the process Kaineng got some guilds who came not to bandwagon, but for other reasons like being tired of queues.

Sophie Lone.8576:

I remember they were really bad

Kaineng T8 was the best server i ever played.
Ah, my beloved T8 Kaineng …

Band-wagoners will flee a loosing server even faster than they swarm a winning one. Kaineng was doomed from the start.

Unfortunately that’s the way it is. However we only had three options: quit the game, leave the server just like they did, or pull through.
Now that we’re stabilizing again, that third option is starting to pay off.

TCDJ.5378:

A lot of people still hold a grudge against Kaineng. When the bandwagon kicked off we stomped everything in our path on the way up the rankings, angering many people. And I can see why – it completely ripped apart the balance of the lower tiers when we rushed up. However, I’d like to remind everyone that that Kaineng is not the current Kaineng.

Except that while [WM] was totally skewing game play by using extremely single minded overpowering zerg tactics literally everybody else on Kaineng was defending it, and many were bragging about how much better everybody else had suddenly gotten as well. I know for a fact that there have been some great people on Kaineng and I assume there still are, but I can’t help but thinking that as a server Kaineng got what they deserved. It wasn’t just the results that garnered resentment, it was the attitudes expressed here back then as well (not that any other server is immune to that, of course, including my own).

TC either makes or breaks a bandwagon server. Either we push a servers resolve to recruit, bring in more people, and push to the top, or the hit T2, meet us, and break like the oceans wave. Some servers have gone on to be monsters, some have quickly imploded, but we are the gatekeepers, and we will not easily let a server reach T1 without a fight.

We are Zombie coast, and we will keep coming back from the dead.

Cactus.2710:

TCDJ.5378:

A lot of people still hold a grudge against Kaineng. When the bandwagon kicked off we stomped everything in our path on the way up the rankings, angering many people. And I can see why – it completely ripped apart the balance of the lower tiers when we rushed up. However, I’d like to remind everyone that that Kaineng is not the current Kaineng.

Except that while [WM] was totally skewing game play by using extremely single minded overpowering zerg tactics literally everybody else on Kaineng was defending it, and many were bragging about how much better everybody else had suddenly gotten as well. I know for a fact that there have been some great people on Kaineng and I assume there still are, but I can’t help but thinking that as a server Kaineng got what they deserved. It wasn’t just the results that garnered resentment, it was the attitudes expressed here back then as well (not that any other server is immune to that, of course, including my own).

Emphasis mine.

That definitely was not all of Kaineng. Many of us loathed the rush up because people preferred the laid-back atmosphere in the lower tiers (or for a dozen of other reasons), many of us loathed the elitist comments because it really was not so surprising we started winning after getting a sudden influx of large, dedicated WvW guilds.

With the bandwagon, Kaineng wasn’t one group of people anymore. There were three: The bandwagon, the people who had no clue what was going on, and the people who didn’t like the change but had absolutely no control over it.

That first group is gone. That last group is the group that is still around. I’m pretty sure most of those forum warriors were part of the bandwagon.

The people who ‘deserved’ some form of ‘punishment’, like you seem to be hinting at, are no longer on the server. That’s exactly what I meant to say in the part you quoted of my original post.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying all ‘native’ Kaineng players were little angels – surely there were people who did enjoy the change and did get elitist about it. And every server has forum warriors – we did too at the time, and still do sometimes. But that’s not something to judge a whole server on. Most players don’t even use these forums, why judge them based on what happens here?

Regardless, the majority of the players still on Kaineng just want us to improve our rating by actually becoming better instead of by having guilds join en masse. And for that we first needed to drop back to the proper rank, which has almost happened.

this is our server even if those we mentioned as bandwagoners left.

we might not shine where it was. at least we could play wherever we want, whenever we want. i just remember queueing on a first day for EBG only to be told our guild is to just to defend the BL. we lost. who cares? we win. who cares?

just enjoying what is in.

Bossmitch is exactly right. Bandwagons aren’t reliable.

…And then there were the players who simply thought that climbing up the ladder was a fun experience regardless of whether it was brought about by “bandwagon” guilds? Dividing everyone into “Pro – WM elitist”, “Anti – WM true Kaineng”, and “Clueless about server” is simple – minded in the extreme.

If you were around for some of our matchups back then you’ll have noticed that WM along with other transfer guilds – and the entire server along with them by default – were deluged with accusations of cheating via botting, “because no real group of people could be that coordinated”. Not to mention all the mud – flinging about mindless zerging, PvDooring, etc, etc. Case in point in this very thread “Single – minded overpowering zerg tactics”. Most of the diatribe boiled down to juvenile “You may have won, but you guys are still losers” – type taunts, combined with a hint of racism directed at Asian primetime guilds.

Some people liked it, some didn’t. But you don’t have to be a fanboy or self proclaimed elitist to defend guilds on your own server when someone else decides to play chimp and throw poo around. Bandwagon or not – I was one of those that enjoyed the ride up, and will continue to enjoy WvW at our current rank.