Guild Wars 2

SoR was once a proud server that climbed up the tiers, got stuck at tier 2 for a long time, but then finally made it to tier 1. Now its a sinking ship, like IoJ or SBI was in the past.
What happened?

Their core guilds adopted a “fights only” attitude during season 1 and stopped caring for the rest of the server who may be interested in objectives. In the long run the division destroyed server morale and also created elitism in the server that discouraged new/pvx players from playing (so no new fresh blood for guilds like choo to recruit from). Guess their tanking to T2 and not doing well there is the final straw that broke the camel’s back.

Basically, they gave up.

A couple of weeks ago a bunch of SoR people were in here proudly declaring that they “only care about fights” because “PPT doesn’t matter” and that they were essentially tanking on purpose to move from tier 1 to tier 2. And so they got slaughtered for a couple of straight weeks.

They seemed quite pleased about this, with some even expressing glee that they were (in their view) messing things up for BG and JQ.

Apparently quite a number of people on SoR still do realize that PPT and server pride do matter, and so they went to servers where others also care about winning regular WvW. Most of the others are probably still in EotM.

SoR had the ability to remove itself from tier 1, but not to decide where they would end up. It’s a great lesson in how hard it can be to stop a slide (in any context) once it starts.

Oh, and also a great example of how EotM is destroying WvW.

Qaelyn.7612:

Basically, they gave up.

A couple of weeks ago a bunch of SoR people were in here proudly declaring that they “only care about fights” because “PPT doesn’t matter” and that they were essentially tanking on purpose to move from tier 1 to tier 2. And so they got slaughtered for a couple of straight weeks.

They seemed quite pleased about this, with some even expressing glee that they were (in their view) messing things up for BG and JQ.

Apparently quite a number of people on SoR still do realize that PPT and server pride do matter, and so they went to servers where others also care about winning regular WvW. Most of the others are probably still in EotM.

SoR had the ability to remove itself from tier 1, but not to decide where they would end up. It’s a great lesson in how hard it can be to stop a slide (in any context) once it starts.

Oh, and also a great example of how EotM is destroying WvW.

Doesn’t that other thread show most of the SoR guilds transferred to JQ? The one where the JQ guy is asking other people to not stack on other servers that fight JQ…

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Qaelyn.7612:

Basically, they gave up.

A couple of weeks ago a bunch of SoR people were in here proudly declaring that they “only care about fights” because “PPT doesn’t matter” and that they were essentially tanking on purpose to move from tier 1 to tier 2. And so they got slaughtered for a couple of straight weeks.

They seemed quite pleased about this, with some even expressing glee that they were (in their view) messing things up for BG and JQ.

Apparently quite a number of people on SoR still do realize that PPT and server pride do matter, and so they went to servers where others also care about winning regular WvW. Most of the others are probably still in EotM.

SoR had the ability to remove itself from tier 1, but not to decide where they would end up. It’s a great lesson in how hard it can be to stop a slide (in any context) once it starts.

Oh, and also a great example of how EotM is destroying WvW.

Doesn’t that other thread show most of the SoR guilds transferred to JQ? The one where the JQ guy is asking other people to not stack on other servers that fight JQ…

Afaik a couple NA guilds went to FA, a decent number of guilds both NA/OCX went to TC, and I think a couple to JQ. Not sure where/if their SEA will be transferring, T2’s SEA coverage isn’t awful but I don’t think the current SoR will stay there and once they hit T3 and below SoR’s SEA will be much too strong and be bored out of their minds.

Qaelyn.7612:

Basically, they gave up.

A couple of weeks ago a bunch of SoR people were in here proudly declaring that they “only care about fights” because “PPT doesn’t matter” and that they were essentially tanking on purpose to move from tier 1 to tier 2. And so they got slaughtered for a couple of straight weeks.

They seemed quite pleased about this, with some even expressing glee that they were (in their view) messing things up for BG and JQ.

Apparently quite a number of people on SoR still do realize that PPT and server pride do matter, and so they went to servers where others also care about winning regular WvW. Most of the others are probably still in EotM.

SoR had the ability to remove itself from tier 1, but not to decide where they would end up. It’s a great lesson in how hard it can be to stop a slide (in any context) once it starts.

Oh, and also a great example of how EotM is destroying WvW.

It’s just a great example of how flawed wvw is. EotM may be destroying wvw, but it’s doing it for a reason. People are clearly enjoying it for a reason. Maybe it’s because there is finally balance where before there was none? Maybe that’s why people gave up on PPT, because it’s such a flawed mechanic. NA guilds seem to have taken a while, but the majority of EU guilds really only do play for fights.

EotM in NA is probably better than EU because there is no language barriers, so it’s literally a much better version of wvw. If I was NA I would probably only play EotM too until they fixed PPT.

warriorjrd.8695:

People are clearly enjoying it for a reason.

The main reason is that it’s easy. It’s not real WvW, where you have to coordinate and work together and use strategy. It’s just yet another “run in a big group and get goodies” event.

Nothing wrong with that per se. EotM was a great idea.

But it should have been rolled out along with changes to fix WvW.

Instead, permanent damage has been done to a major game mode, and all we get from Arenanet on the matter is silence.

Qaelyn.7612:

warriorjrd.8695:

People are clearly enjoying it for a reason.

The main reason is that it’s easy. It’s not real WvW, where you have to coordinate and work together and use strategy. It’s just yet another “run in a big group and get goodies” event.

Nothing wrong with that per se. EotM was a great idea.

But it should have been rolled out along with changes to fix WvW.

Instead, permanent damage has been done to a major game mode, and all we get from Arenanet on the matter is silence.

anet wont even think damage has been done. they dont measure our attitudes, just how many of us there are. and eotm definitely added some numbers!

Qaelyn.7612:

warriorjrd.8695:

People are clearly enjoying it for a reason.

The main reason is that it’s easy. It’s not real WvW, where you have to coordinate and work together and use strategy. It’s just yet another “run in a big group and get goodies” event.

Nothing wrong with that per se. EotM was a great idea.

But it should have been rolled out along with changes to fix WvW.

Instead, permanent damage has been done to a major game mode, and all we get from Arenanet on the matter is silence.

Oh right, I forgot “real” wvw wasn’t just who has the biggest blob running from tower to tower. And that this strategy you speak of wasn’t to just build as many arrow carts in objectives and running with the most people possible. PPT is all about who has the biggest army on a 24 hour rotation. When will people learn there is no strategy in that.

Yes wvw is broken (perhaps that will answer peoples question as to why guilds play for fights), but EotM didn’t break wvw. It simply gave people a more fun way to do what they love in this game. It’s more balanced than wvw so it will always be a fair fight. The rewards are better because it gives more karma and badges than regular wvw. The fights are only 3 hours long, so no more coverage issues which creates even more balance. There are no more stale matches because servers can change colours every week.

The only downsides EotM has for me is that you can fall off and it can take a while to run back especially if keep is contested. In EU there can be language barriers which can sometimes make it harder to coordinate. But in my mind the pros outweigh the cons, and clearly, i’m not the only one who thinks so.

Reslinal.2359:

Their core guilds adopted a “fights only” attitude during season 1 and stopped caring for the rest of the server who may be interested in objectives. In the long run the division destroyed server morale and also created elitism in the server that discouraged new/pvx players from playing (so no new fresh blood for guilds like choo to recruit from). Guess their tanking to T2 and not doing well there is the final straw that broke the camel’s back.

That makes no sense at all, but ill just leave it at that,

OP, long story short, SoR’s CORE WvW guilds have all transferred over to TC, there is little to no coverage for most of the day on SoR now, and with the last few remaining SEA coverage rumoured to be leaving the server today, it will be dead in the water, SoR will crash to T3 next week, and probably hang around there for a few weeks until the server rating drops it further down,

Personally I think this began back at Season 1, not so much because of the PPT Vs Fights but because right at the start of the Season we lost most of our Euro Coverage, this made it that NA and SEA had to do way more than normal, and it slowly continued, until we lost a few NA guilds making it harder and harder for the coverage, alas its what happens in a game when the rewards are based on coverage etc,

I personally don’t blame the remaining guilds on SoR for wanting to leave now, its near next to impossible to compete in WvW when you have 30 ppl to cover all 4 maps.

Season one and two killed that server and damaged others. EOTM is more or less the killing blow.

Qaelyn.7612:

warriorjrd.8695:

People are clearly enjoying it for a reason.

The main reason is that it’s easy. It’s not real WvW, where you have to coordinate and work together and use strategy. It’s just yet another “run in a big group and get goodies” event.

Nothing wrong with that per se. EotM was a great idea.

But it should have been rolled out along with changes to fix WvW.

Instead, permanent damage has been done to a major game mode, and all we get from Arenanet on the matter is silence.

lol. still prattling on about eotm not being real wvw. I guess sitting in towers and pv dooring constitutes real wvw? if so, have at it.

sor imploded because people who thought they wanted to play t2 discovered they preferred t1 and because the rest didn’t want to stay on an empty server.

Qaelyn.7612:

Basically, they gave up.

A couple of weeks ago a bunch of SoR people were in here proudly declaring that they “only care about fights” because “PPT doesn’t matter” and that they were essentially tanking on purpose to move from tier 1 to tier 2. And so they got slaughtered for a couple of straight weeks.

They seemed quite pleased about this, with some even expressing glee that they were (in their view) messing things up for BG and JQ.

Apparently quite a number of people on SoR still do realize that PPT and server pride do matter, and so they went to servers where others also care about winning regular WvW. Most of the others are probably still in EotM.

SoR had the ability to remove itself from tier 1, but not to decide where they would end up. It’s a great lesson in how hard it can be to stop a slide (in any context) once it starts.

Oh, and also a great example of how EotM is destroying WvW.

Yeah, they transferred to servers that have the populations and coverage that allow people to actually take objectives and hold them. SoR has not had that luxury for awhile. SoR’s fall has many different facets to it, but part of the responsibility is Blackgate’s. The server stack before the first season was the catalyst, in my opinion. Going into that initial season, there was a lot of enthusiasm on SoR. I don’t know how many of us actually thought we would take 1st, but there was an idea that we’d definitely be in the running for 2nd.

And then Blackgate CRUSHED the PPT war. Sure, prime-NA could take and defend keeps, but SoR simply couldn’t field enough people to defend through EU/OCX/SEA. So those keeps that we’d upgrade and waypoint would be paper by the time NA would get back on. So NA started putting in overtime. This led to burn out and resentment. Several guilds that wanted to log on and play couldn’t get into maps because guilds in earlier time-slots were putting in more hours. And to top it all off, all the extra playtime and attempts at coverage still didn’t matter. Blackgate rolled and JQ was right behind them.

So something happens when you don’t have coverage. The people who want to hold hard-points get upset with the people who realize that all the upgrading doesn’t matter when it’s all gone overnight. Rifts happen. The people that want to play for PPT leave to places where you can actually play for PPT. Then the server gets steamrolled even more and the guilds that supposedly want to ‘play for fights’ don’t like being crushed. So many of them go to stacked servers (which I blatantly don’t understand, but I guess I’m not required to). One thing leads to another and eventually a server ends up in the boat SoR is in. It isn’t the first; Kaining, IoJ, Dragonbrand, Devona’s Rest, among others, have seen the same implosions. Still, it always seems to be the rich that thumb their nose at the poor: When PPT is simply a matter of which server can field the most people, all that is left is the fights. To suggest otherwise is, at best, mild naivete or, at worst, blatant, dumb, ignorance of how this game actually works. Mostly, though, I’d politely recommend not to confuse inability to win the so-called ‘PPT war’ with lack of pride.

geekanerd.4123:

Qaelyn.7612:

Basically, they gave up.

A couple of weeks ago a bunch of SoR people were in here proudly declaring that they “only care about fights” because “PPT doesn’t matter” and that they were essentially tanking on purpose to move from tier 1 to tier 2. And so they got slaughtered for a couple of straight weeks.

They seemed quite pleased about this, with some even expressing glee that they were (in their view) messing things up for BG and JQ.

Apparently quite a number of people on SoR still do realize that PPT and server pride do matter, and so they went to servers where others also care about winning regular WvW. Most of the others are probably still in EotM.

SoR had the ability to remove itself from tier 1, but not to decide where they would end up. It’s a great lesson in how hard it can be to stop a slide (in any context) once it starts.

Oh, and also a great example of how EotM is destroying WvW.

Yeah, they transferred to servers that have the populations and coverage that allow people to actually take objectives and hold them. SoR has not had that luxury for awhile. SoR’s fall has many different facets to it, but part of the responsibility is Blackgate’s. The server stack before the first season was the catalyst, in my opinion. Going into that initial season, there was a lot of enthusiasm on SoR. I don’t know how many of us actually thought we would take 1st, but there was an idea that we’d definitely be in the running for 2nd.

And then Blackgate CRUSHED the PPT war. Sure, prime-NA could take and defend keeps, but SoR simply couldn’t field enough people to defend through EU/OCX/SEA. So those keeps that we’d upgrade and waypoint would be paper by the time NA would get back on. So NA started putting in overtime. This led to burn out and resentment. Several guilds that wanted to log on and play couldn’t get into maps because guilds in earlier time-slots were putting in more hours. And to top it all off, all the extra playtime and attempts at coverage still didn’t matter. Blackgate rolled and JQ was right behind them.

So something happens when you don’t have coverage. The people who want to hold hard-points get upset with the people who realize that all the upgrading doesn’t matter when it’s all gone overnight. Rifts happen. The people that want to play for PPT leave to places where you can actually play for PPT. Then the server gets steamrolled even more and the guilds that supposedly want to ‘play for fights’ don’t like being crushed. So many of them go to stacked servers (which I blatantly don’t understand, but I guess I’m not required to). One thing leads to another and eventually a server ends up in the boat SoR is in. It isn’t the first; Kaining, IoJ, Dragonbrand, Devona’s Rest, among others, have seen the same implosions. Still, it always seems to be the rich that thumb their nose at the poor: When PPT is simply a matter of which server can field the most people, all that is left is the fights. To suggest otherwise is, at best, mild naivete or, at worst, blatant, dumb, ignorance of how this game actually works. Mostly, though, I’d politely recommend not to confuse inability to win the so-called ‘PPT war’ with lack of pride.

This pretty much was the catalyst. More simply the guilds that left were guilds that wanted to win. That is all they cared about in the end is winning. There was no intrest in staying in T2 or dropping to T3 and rebuilding to T2.

So they went back to stacked servers simply to win and play easy mode, it started with JQ before SoR dropped to T2 and then ended with TC. If the guilds that left had one sliver of server pride it was gone and all that was left was the desire to win and super stack and blob more.

To the Guilds that hung in there after everyone left I think those were the only people left with any server pride and care for the community. TW, PD and smaller less know guilds. No one will blame them if they now xfer too. I think they wanted to wait and see what would happen. And now they can’t even play for fights any longer because there is almost no one left to get their backs.

warriorjrd.8695:

Oh right, I forgot “real” wvw wasn’t just who has the biggest blob running from tower to tower. And that this strategy you speak of wasn’t to just build as many arrow carts in objectives and running with the most people possible. PPT is all about who has the biggest army on a 24 hour rotation. When will people learn there is no strategy in that.

EotM is not WvW. It’s more like a living world release where you can kill other players.

Real WvW means going out there and doing your best for your server, win lose or draw. The rest is noise. That’s what I believe and what a lot of people on TC believe, which is part of why I am there. And why I feel confident TC will do fine whether we win in T1, lose in T1, or fall back to T2, or even below that.

Yeah, there was a moment in this slide where SoR could have been a solid T2 or dominant T3 server. But when it rains it pours. People ghosted for JQ and TC. For many guilds (to paraphrase Pink Floyd) it’s better to have a walk on part in the war than a lead role in the play, I guess. Now I’d really have to be convinced that T3 is the bottom. It’s probably going to be T4 or T5.

Warlord.9074:

This pretty much was the catalyst. More simply the guilds that left were guilds that wanted to win. That is all they cared about in the end is winning. There was no intrest in staying in T2 or dropping to T3 and rebuilding to T2.

So they went back to stacked servers simply to win and play easy mode, it started with JQ before SoR dropped to T2 and then ended with TC. If the guilds that left had one sliver of server pride it was gone and all that was left was the desire to win and super stack and blob more.

To the Guilds that hung in there after everyone left I think those were the only people left with any server pride and care for the community. TW, PD and smaller less know guilds. No one will blame them if they now xfer too. I think they wanted to wait and see what would happen. And now they can’t even play for fights any longer because there is almost no one left to get their backs.

Cry me a river.

If we were interested in winning, we’d have gone to JQ. We choose TC because it was the closest thing to pre-league SoR. Back when it was about server pride and working as one unit, back before TW started running tagless and telling off every player that attempted to follow them.

The attitudes of IRON, TW and FEAR are what crippled this server. Instead of embracing new players that came with the leagues, they told them to go kitten off. If you weren’t super, ultra elite you couldn’t even be on the same map as them or they’d verbally assault you over Teamspeak for hours then ban you when they got bored.

BG’s top guilds embraced their new players, SoR’s top guilds told them to kitten off. That’s why BG won the league and is still around, that’s why SoR is dead and TW/FEAR are sitting on servers with no other guilds or players that want to play with them.

Hobbitz.5831:

Warlord.9074:

This pretty much was the catalyst. More simply the guilds that left were guilds that wanted to win. That is all they cared about in the end is winning. There was no intrest in staying in T2 or dropping to T3 and rebuilding to T2.

So they went back to stacked servers simply to win and play easy mode, it started with JQ before SoR dropped to T2 and then ended with TC. If the guilds that left had one sliver of server pride it was gone and all that was left was the desire to win and super stack and blob more.

To the Guilds that hung in there after everyone left I think those were the only people left with any server pride and care for the community. TW, PD and smaller less know guilds. No one will blame them if they now xfer too. I think they wanted to wait and see what would happen. And now they can’t even play for fights any longer because there is almost no one left to get their backs.

Cry me a river.

If we were interested in winning, we’d have gone to JQ. We choose TC because it was the closest thing to pre-league SoR. Back when it was about server pride and working as one unit, back before TW started running tagless and telling off every player that attempted to follow them.

The attitudes of IRON, TW and FEAR are what crippled this server. Instead of embracing new players that came with the leagues, they told them to go kitten off. If you weren’t super, ultra elite you couldn’t even be on the same map as them or they’d verbally assault you over Teamspeak for hours then ban you when they got bored.

BG’s top guilds embraced their new players, SoR’s top guilds told them to kitten off. That’s why BG won the league and is still around, that’s why SoR is dead and TW/FEAR are sitting on servers with no other guilds or players that want to play with them.

If what you say is true you picked the wrong server mate. TC is nothing like pre T1 sor. TC is more like T1 SOR when IRON first showed up. Pre T1 SoR would have been Mag, SoS or FA surely. So you can say whatever you want bro but your actions tell a different story.
And now thanks to TCs new transfers TC is now in contention to topply JQ and BG that doesn’t sound anything like pre T1 SoR to me. So I guess I am right and you are wrong bro sorry. GL to you.

Hobbitz.5831:

Warlord.9074:

This pretty much was the catalyst. More simply the guilds that left were guilds that wanted to win. That is all they cared about in the end is winning. There was no intrest in staying in T2 or dropping to T3 and rebuilding to T2.

So they went back to stacked servers simply to win and play easy mode, it started with JQ before SoR dropped to T2 and then ended with TC. If the guilds that left had one sliver of server pride it was gone and all that was left was the desire to win and super stack and blob more.

To the Guilds that hung in there after everyone left I think those were the only people left with any server pride and care for the community. TW, PD and smaller less know guilds. No one will blame them if they now xfer too. I think they wanted to wait and see what would happen. And now they can’t even play for fights any longer because there is almost no one left to get their backs.

Cry me a river.

If we were interested in winning, we’d have gone to JQ. We choose TC because it was the closest thing to pre-league SoR. Back when it was about server pride and working as one unit, back before TW started running tagless and telling off every player that attempted to follow them.

The attitudes of IRON, TW and FEAR are what crippled this server. Instead of embracing new players that came with the leagues, they told them to go kitten off. If you weren’t super, ultra elite you couldn’t even be on the same map as them or they’d verbally assault you over Teamspeak for hours then ban you when they got bored.

BG’s top guilds embraced their new players, SoR’s top guilds told them to kitten off. That’s why BG won the league and is still around, that’s why SoR is dead and TW/FEAR are sitting on servers with no other guilds or players that want to play with them.

There is nothing accurate about this. someone didn’t get a group in some event on sor so is badmouthing the server, lol.

Sanduskel.1850:

There is nothing accurate about this. someone didn’t get a group in some event on sor so is badmouthing the server, lol.

Shrug, I agree with him.

Peetee.9406:

Shrug, I agree with him.

Simply believing the exact opposite of whatever Sanduskel posts has rarely led me astray.

Hobbitz.5831:

Warlord.9074:

This pretty much was the catalyst. More simply the guilds that left were guilds that wanted to win. That is all they cared about in the end is winning. There was no intrest in staying in T2 or dropping to T3 and rebuilding to T2.

So they went back to stacked servers simply to win and play easy mode, it started with JQ before SoR dropped to T2 and then ended with TC. If the guilds that left had one sliver of server pride it was gone and all that was left was the desire to win and super stack and blob more.

To the Guilds that hung in there after everyone left I think those were the only people left with any server pride and care for the community. TW, PD and smaller less know guilds. No one will blame them if they now xfer too. I think they wanted to wait and see what would happen. And now they can’t even play for fights any longer because there is almost no one left to get their backs.

Cry me a river.

If we were interested in winning, we’d have gone to JQ. We choose TC because it was the closest thing to pre-league SoR. Back when it was about server pride and working as one unit, back before TW started running tagless and telling off every player that attempted to follow them.

The attitudes of IRON, TW and FEAR are what crippled this server. Instead of embracing new players that came with the leagues, they told them to go kitten off. If you weren’t super, ultra elite you couldn’t even be on the same map as them or they’d verbally assault you over Teamspeak for hours then ban you when they got bored.

BG’s top guilds embraced their new players, SoR’s top guilds told them to kitten off. That’s why BG won the league and is still around, that’s why SoR is dead and TW/FEAR are sitting on servers with no other guilds or players that want to play with them.

God forbid guilds don’t want to tag up and run in a 60-80m skillless blob. Isn’t this the type of crap bg/jq have been giving SoR for the past year? So we were the blobiest of all t1 servers, and at the same time our core guilds disrespected our pugs because they wanted to run guild only?

You guys really need to get ur trolling straight.

Warlord.9074:

Hobbitz.5831:

Warlord.9074:

This pretty much was the catalyst. More simply the guilds that left were guilds that wanted to win. That is all they cared about in the end is winning. There was no intrest in staying in T2 or dropping to T3 and rebuilding to T2.

So they went back to stacked servers simply to win and play easy mode, it started with JQ before SoR dropped to T2 and then ended with TC. If the guilds that left had one sliver of server pride it was gone and all that was left was the desire to win and super stack and blob more.

To the Guilds that hung in there after everyone left I think those were the only people left with any server pride and care for the community. TW, PD and smaller less know guilds. No one will blame them if they now xfer too. I think they wanted to wait and see what would happen. And now they can’t even play for fights any longer because there is almost no one left to get their backs.

Cry me a river.

If we were interested in winning, we’d have gone to JQ. We choose TC because it was the closest thing to pre-league SoR. Back when it was about server pride and working as one unit, back before TW started running tagless and telling off every player that attempted to follow them.

The attitudes of IRON, TW and FEAR are what crippled this server. Instead of embracing new players that came with the leagues, they told them to go kitten off. If you weren’t super, ultra elite you couldn’t even be on the same map as them or they’d verbally assault you over Teamspeak for hours then ban you when they got bored.

BG’s top guilds embraced their new players, SoR’s top guilds told them to kitten off. That’s why BG won the league and is still around, that’s why SoR is dead and TW/FEAR are sitting on servers with no other guilds or players that want to play with them.

If what you say is true you picked the wrong server mate. TC is nothing like pre T1 sor. TC is more like T1 SOR when IRON first showed up. Pre T1 SoR would have been Mag, SoS or FA surely. So you can say whatever you want bro but your actions tell a different story.
And now thanks to TCs new transfers TC is now in contention to topply JQ and BG that doesn’t sound anything like pre T1 SoR to me. So I guess I am right and you are wrong bro sorry. GL to you.

Your entire argument is invalid because it rests on the fact that Hobbitz is talking about TC being like pre-t1 SoR. He did not say that. If you re read what he wrote, he said “pre league SoR”. Nothing about it being tier 1. What he is saying is that TC reminds the guilds who transferred of the spirit and community of SoR before leagues supposedly took it away.

I understand that bg’s superior coverage in season 1 put stress on sor, however I think it is the way sor’s leadership responded to this challenge that led to the ultimate demise of the server. Sor was not the only server that faced superior coverage problem. Jq was beaten by bg too, look at where it is now. When sor first entered t1, you were underdog too with worse coverage than season 1, yet you preserved and ended on top.

From what I hear from your players (like last meeting), the dominance of “fights only” group and asociated elitisim discourages casual players from playing, and the constant lose by big margin due to no support for ppt style of play destroyed sever morale and leave guilds like choo (said by choo representative) with fewer and fewer to recruit.

Here’s a more detailed summary coming from another SOR player’s perspective that I found on another forum:

What happened to SoR? A multitude of things. Some I personally noticed -

1) The pvx community was treated like kitten. I can remember when someone would pop into LA announce in map chat that garri needed defending and within seconds the map would be quedued because so many people answered the call for help. Had trouble getting upgrades because people were killing your yaks? Ask for help in LA and you’d get plenty of volunteers. I went on hiatus for several months and came back only to discover that had changed. Those same players who came in to help were labeled scrubs and rallybots and all the rest of it. They were berated and screamed at about playing classes that the hardcore wvwers didn’t approve of, playing on an uplevel or just not being on the tag in the midst of the blob. So they stopped coming to help. Who can blame them?

2) The majority of the sor wvw guilds decided they were going to focus on fights. Meaning we’d chase swords all over the map instead of tending to the actual objectives that win the game. You can not win wvw by winning fights. That’s not how anet has developed the game. Sure you need to win fights to defend and take objectives but if you’re only fighting and not doing the rest you can’t compete very well. Like I’ve said before gvg != wvw. If a guild is wvw focused they should work on primarily on learning wvw skills. If they are gvg focused then they should be working on gvg skills.

3) Inability to get fresh blood into the wvw scene. You’d think being in t1 would be a draw for wvw players and guilds but it was not. Personal opinion is that reason 1 (pvx community treated like kitten) above was a big part of why sor couldn’t attract people into wvw. No one wants to play with a bunch of people acting like assbags towards them.

4) The decision to tank to t2. Don’t know who thought this was a good idea but someone did and for whatever reason enough people with respected opinions agreed. The general wvw player population heard this, all the guilds heard this and the general reaction was “kitten you, and who do you think you are to decide we’re going to tank?” and people started leaving and not giving a crap. Then to make it even better that “tank to t2 and rebuild” decision was reversed however by then it was to late.

5) Getting wrecked in t2. Final nail in the coffin was how badly sor got wrecked in our first week on t2. It was a real eye opener for a lot of us. Not only were we not winning ppt (I really think we forgot how to play in a way that wins wvw matches) but we were getting destroyed in the open field fights. At that point most of us reached the conclusion that the wvw glory days of sor were a thing of the past. And many of us left. Hopefully we don’t take the caustic attitude that was developed on sor with us to our new homes.

dwahvel.7356:

Hobbitz.5831:

Warlord.9074:

This pretty much was the catalyst. More simply the guilds that left were guilds that wanted to win. That is all they cared about in the end is winning. There was no intrest in staying in T2 or dropping to T3 and rebuilding to T2.

So they went back to stacked servers simply to win and play easy mode, it started with JQ before SoR dropped to T2 and then ended with TC. If the guilds that left had one sliver of server pride it was gone and all that was left was the desire to win and super stack and blob more.

To the Guilds that hung in there after everyone left I think those were the only people left with any server pride and care for the community. TW, PD and smaller less know guilds. No one will blame them if they now xfer too. I think they wanted to wait and see what would happen. And now they can’t even play for fights any longer because there is almost no one left to get their backs.

Cry me a river.

If we were interested in winning, we’d have gone to JQ. We choose TC because it was the closest thing to pre-league SoR. Back when it was about server pride and working as one unit, back before TW started running tagless and telling off every player that attempted to follow them.

The attitudes of IRON, TW and FEAR are what crippled this server. Instead of embracing new players that came with the leagues, they told them to go kitten off. If you weren’t super, ultra elite you couldn’t even be on the same map as them or they’d verbally assault you over Teamspeak for hours then ban you when they got bored.

BG’s top guilds embraced their new players, SoR’s top guilds told them to kitten off. That’s why BG won the league and is still around, that’s why SoR is dead and TW/FEAR are sitting on servers with no other guilds or players that want to play with them.

God forbid guilds don’t want to tag up and run in a 60-80m skillless blob. Isn’t this the type of crap bg/jq have been giving SoR for the past year? So we were the blobiest of all t1 servers, and at the same time our core guilds disrespected our pugs because they wanted to run guild only?

You guys really need to get ur trolling straight.

Your post seems to rely on hobbitz’s belief that “SoR is the blobiest of all tier 1 servers” which firstly he did not say, and secondly, is a belief held by BG/JQ that hobbitz is not in.

Hobbitz only said that core guilds disrespected the pugs on SoR. Nothing about it being the blobiest.

Please, players of gw2, learn some logic. Yes, it is a subject you can pick up in school in the department of philosophy or department of mathematics.

Reslinal.2359:

I understand that bg’s superior coverage in season 1 put stress on sor, however I think it is the way sor’s leadership responded to this challenge that led to the ultimate demise of the server. Sor was not the only server that faced superior coverage problem. Jq was beaten by bg too, look at where it is now. When sor first entered t1, you were underdog too with worse coverage than season 1, yet you preserved and ended on top.

From what I hear from your players (like last meeting), the dominance of “fights only” group and asociated elitisim discourages casual players from playing, and the constant lose by big margin due to no support for ppt style of play destroyed sever morale and leave guilds like choo (said by choo representative) with fewer and fewer to recruit.

That’s essentially what I said above. There are a lot of factors in this; Blackgate’s stacking for the first season was the catalyst, but hardly the sole reason SoR as we know it is gone.

That said, is choo trying to come off as a martyr in all of this? I mean, I like the guys in choo, but c’mon. There were plenty of times choo abandoned hard points for fights in the field. And I say that as someone who understands and respects the undeniable fact that choo commanders put in more than their fair share of time running pugs and defending keeps. Yet, they ran tagless a lot, too. Just like TW, FEAR, HIRE and the rest. I personally had a couple experiences where we were getting throttled at a keep and we knew choo was tagless on the map and they never came to help. I’m not blaming or saying this is good or bad or anything. But lets not throw rocks in glass houses.

Murakami.5243:

dwahvel.7356:

Hobbitz.5831:

Warlord.9074:

This pretty much was the catalyst. More simply the guilds that left were guilds that wanted to win. That is all they cared about in the end is winning. There was no intrest in staying in T2 or dropping to T3 and rebuilding to T2.

So they went back to stacked servers simply to win and play easy mode, it started with JQ before SoR dropped to T2 and then ended with TC. If the guilds that left had one sliver of server pride it was gone and all that was left was the desire to win and super stack and blob more.

To the Guilds that hung in there after everyone left I think those were the only people left with any server pride and care for the community. TW, PD and smaller less know guilds. No one will blame them if they now xfer too. I think they wanted to wait and see what would happen. And now they can’t even play for fights any longer because there is almost no one left to get their backs.

Cry me a river.

If we were interested in winning, we’d have gone to JQ. We choose TC because it was the closest thing to pre-league SoR. Back when it was about server pride and working as one unit, back before TW started running tagless and telling off every player that attempted to follow them.

The attitudes of IRON, TW and FEAR are what crippled this server. Instead of embracing new players that came with the leagues, they told them to go kitten off. If you weren’t super, ultra elite you couldn’t even be on the same map as them or they’d verbally assault you over Teamspeak for hours then ban you when they got bored.

BG’s top guilds embraced their new players, SoR’s top guilds told them to kitten off. That’s why BG won the league and is still around, that’s why SoR is dead and TW/FEAR are sitting on servers with no other guilds or players that want to play with them.

God forbid guilds don’t want to tag up and run in a 60-80m skillless blob. Isn’t this the type of crap bg/jq have been giving SoR for the past year? So we were the blobiest of all t1 servers, and at the same time our core guilds disrespected our pugs because they wanted to run guild only?

You guys really need to get ur trolling straight.

Your post seems to rely on hobbitz’s belief that “SoR is the blobiest of all tier 1 servers” which firstly he did not say, and secondly, is a belief held by BG/JQ that hobbitz is not in.

Hobbitz only said that core guilds disrespected the pugs on SoR. Nothing about it being the blobiest.

Please, players of gw2, learn some logic. Yes, it is a subject you can pick up in school in the department of philosophy or department of mathematics.

Yeah my bad I was just going by the bg/jq trolls over the past year. I like to combine all the trolls comments into one big cluster F.

geekanerd.4123:

Reslinal.2359:

I understand that bg’s superior coverage in season 1 put stress on sor, however I think it is the way sor’s leadership responded to this challenge that led to the ultimate demise of the server. Sor was not the only server that faced superior coverage problem. Jq was beaten by bg too, look at where it is now. When sor first entered t1, you were underdog too with worse coverage than season 1, yet you preserved and ended on top.

From what I hear from your players (like last meeting), the dominance of “fights only” group and asociated elitisim discourages casual players from playing, and the constant lose by big margin due to no support for ppt style of play destroyed sever morale and leave guilds like choo (said by choo representative) with fewer and fewer to recruit.

That’s essentially what I said above. There are a lot of factors in this; Blackgate’s stacking for the first season was the catalyst, but hardly the sole reason SoR as we know it is gone.

That said, is choo trying to come off as a martyr in all of this? I mean, I like the guys in choo, but c’mon. There were plenty of times choo abandoned hard points for fights in the field. And I say that as someone who understands and respects the undeniable fact that choo commanders put in more than their fair share of time running pugs and defending keeps. Yet, they ran tagless a lot, too. Just like TW, FEAR, HIRE and the rest. I personally had a couple experiences where we were getting throttled at a keep and we knew choo was tagless on the map and they never came to help. I’m not blaming or saying this is good or bad or anything. But lets not throw rocks in glass houses.

I am not speaking for choo or their intensions. The only thing I heard they said in the meeting is they are leaving because it’s hard to recruit as the server morale is destroyed by constant lose by big margins (they said this as support of a previous player’s claim in the meeting that sor needs to start caring about objectives again in order to rebuild)

What happened to HoD, ET, SoS, SBI, IoJ, KN, DB, And Ehm Bay.

The math goes bad, the matches go sour, and ppl look for a new situation or to start the same situation with different people.

JQ and BG are the exceptions, not the rule. Since they have so many transfers between the I’m surprised anyone asks this question in honesty. More likely people wanting to rub it in, which is lower than snake’s balls IMO.

Many of us won’t fight BG again. The suspicious behaviors got really old . things we never experienced vs other servers. It’s not the blob that annoys us. it’s apparent need to skirt the TOS that does.

Sanduskel.1850:

Many of us won’t fight BG again. The suspicious behaviors got really old . things we never experienced vs other servers. It’s not the blob that annoys us. it’s apparent need to skirt the TOS that does.

The overwhelming majority of your server transferred to TC and JQ to fight BG all over again.

geekanerd.4123:

Reslinal.2359:

I understand that bg’s superior coverage in season 1 put stress on sor, however I think it is the way sor’s leadership responded to this challenge that led to the ultimate demise of the server. Sor was not the only server that faced superior coverage problem. Jq was beaten by bg too, look at where it is now. When sor first entered t1, you were underdog too with worse coverage than season 1, yet you preserved and ended on top.

From what I hear from your players (like last meeting), the dominance of “fights only” group and asociated elitisim discourages casual players from playing, and the constant lose by big margin due to no support for ppt style of play destroyed sever morale and leave guilds like choo (said by choo representative) with fewer and fewer to recruit.

That’s essentially what I said above. There are a lot of factors in this; Blackgate’s stacking for the first season was the catalyst, but hardly the sole reason SoR as we know it is gone.

That said, is choo trying to come off as a martyr in all of this? I mean, I like the guys in choo, but c’mon. There were plenty of times choo abandoned hard points for fights in the field. And I say that as someone who understands and respects the undeniable fact that choo commanders put in more than their fair share of time running pugs and defending keeps. Yet, they ran tagless a lot, too. Just like TW, FEAR, HIRE and the rest. I personally had a couple experiences where we were getting throttled at a keep and we knew choo was tagless on the map and they never came to help. I’m not blaming or saying this is good or bad or anything. But lets not throw rocks in glass houses.

Choo was not in favor of tanking T2 (we lost more than one member in the process), and we kept on trucking as long as we could. But Choo couldn’t carry the server in PPT alone, nor would we ever want to.
We are well aware of the fact that our departure has harmed the server, but we had reached a tipping point. The server tanking had led to many PvX’ers abandoning WvW, and Choo was experiencing high burnout, with a steadily diminishing pool to recruit from. We were faced with server versus guild health, and unfortunately, the results are as you see. We love SoR dearly, as can be seen by by what our guild leader said in the last server meeting. The decision to move was long, arduous, and in my opinion, quite divisive, but it is what it is.

Sanduskel.1850:

Hobbitz.5831:

Warlord.9074:

This pretty much was the catalyst. More simply the guilds that left were guilds that wanted to win. That is all they cared about in the end is winning. There was no intrest in staying in T2 or dropping to T3 and rebuilding to T2.

So they went back to stacked servers simply to win and play easy mode, it started with JQ before SoR dropped to T2 and then ended with TC. If the guilds that left had one sliver of server pride it was gone and all that was left was the desire to win and super stack and blob more.

To the Guilds that hung in there after everyone left I think those were the only people left with any server pride and care for the community. TW, PD and smaller less know guilds. No one will blame them if they now xfer too. I think they wanted to wait and see what would happen. And now they can’t even play for fights any longer because there is almost no one left to get their backs.

Cry me a river.

If we were interested in winning, we’d have gone to JQ. We choose TC because it was the closest thing to pre-league SoR. Back when it was about server pride and working as one unit, back before TW started running tagless and telling off every player that attempted to follow them.

The attitudes of IRON, TW and FEAR are what crippled this server. Instead of embracing new players that came with the leagues, they told them to go kitten off. If you weren’t super, ultra elite you couldn’t even be on the same map as them or they’d verbally assault you over Teamspeak for hours then ban you when they got bored.

BG’s top guilds embraced their new players, SoR’s top guilds told them to kitten off. That’s why BG won the league and is still around, that’s why SoR is dead and TW/FEAR are sitting on servers with no other guilds or players that want to play with them.

There is nothing accurate about this. someone didn’t get a group in some event on sor so is badmouthing the server, lol.

actually, this is the 10th person this weekend that states that about TW and IRON. Sure it may not have been as bad as potrayed above, but you know what, if 10 different people say the same, there is usually some truth to it. One of the guys who told me moved from NA to EU (despite living in the US) to get away from T1/T2 verbal abuse.

So far, on TC, i haven’t met any bad apples, then again, as i am from EU, i mostly play EU prime/Early NA prime and Late SEA/Oceanic….

The rest of guilds in Sor is/already transferring/ed back to Tier 1. a.k.a TC. They left all the pugs to suffer in WvW. I think TW is the only guild I know left in SoR. they wont last in T3 either. maybe T4,5. After they get into a fit tier. they should starting building back their server. I feel bad for Sor now.

If a small vocal minority yell loud enough, they believe that it will pass off as truth and some will be susceptible and believe it as the truth. Quite frankly, TW will be blamed a lot for ludicrous reasons. I am surprised IRON is still being mentioned, they moved to save their guild and it was a smart move on their part. The good things done will be forgotten, how many times has Indo pinned up and led publicly during EU and NA? Countless. What is this about us bashing the non “super elite”? Any time a warrior or guardian has had problems I’ve put myself forth to help with builds and how to apply the class in the fights. What I’m hearing is a personal vendetta and as such, it’s rubbish.

Just as Choo does not want to “carry the PPT” solo, neither does TW. Been there, done that. TW was responsible for making SoR BL feel threatening for many months. I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect 1 guild to stay on a map forever and do the same thing over and over again. So to my friends in Choo, as I’ve said before, wish you guys the best.

But those that point fingers, you may go ahead and cry yourself a river because we dare to improve our guild, to practice for GvGs and have fun in the game. I have never seen Indo or Zorh yell at non-TW for following during guild raids, they’ve always been polite when running guild only. But please, let’s not act like TW playing for fights made the server crash and burn. Or are the people that are pointing to us for having this mentality admitting to not being able to think for themselves? If you wanted to play for PPT, you very well could have. No one forced you to not play WvW the way you want to. It is easy to blame a group but very hard to admit that you don’t want to take personal responsibility is it not?

Peetee.9406:

Sanduskel.1850:

There is nothing accurate about this. someone didn’t get a group in some event on sor so is badmouthing the server, lol.

Shrug, I agree with him.

You’re agreeing with yourself now Kayku? That’s good :P Stop posting with two accounts. It seems too desperate

prysin – i am on sor still. i am unable to respond to pms, lol

Balefire.7592:

geekanerd.4123:

Reslinal.2359:

I understand that bg’s superior coverage in season 1 put stress on sor, however I think it is the way sor’s leadership responded to this challenge that led to the ultimate demise of the server. Sor was not the only server that faced superior coverage problem. Jq was beaten by bg too, look at where it is now. When sor first entered t1, you were underdog too with worse coverage than season 1, yet you preserved and ended on top.

From what I hear from your players (like last meeting), the dominance of “fights only” group and asociated elitisim discourages casual players from playing, and the constant lose by big margin due to no support for ppt style of play destroyed sever morale and leave guilds like choo (said by choo representative) with fewer and fewer to recruit.

That’s essentially what I said above. There are a lot of factors in this; Blackgate’s stacking for the first season was the catalyst, but hardly the sole reason SoR as we know it is gone.

That said, is choo trying to come off as a martyr in all of this? I mean, I like the guys in choo, but c’mon. There were plenty of times choo abandoned hard points for fights in the field. And I say that as someone who understands and respects the undeniable fact that choo commanders put in more than their fair share of time running pugs and defending keeps. Yet, they ran tagless a lot, too. Just like TW, FEAR, HIRE and the rest. I personally had a couple experiences where we were getting throttled at a keep and we knew choo was tagless on the map and they never came to help. I’m not blaming or saying this is good or bad or anything. But lets not throw rocks in glass houses.

Choo was not in favor of tanking T2 (we lost more than one member in the process), and we kept on trucking as long as we could. But Choo couldn’t carry the server in PPT alone, nor would we ever want to.
We are well aware of the fact that our departure has harmed the server, but we had reached a tipping point. The server tanking had led to many PvX’ers abandoning WvW, and Choo was experiencing high burnout, with a steadily diminishing pool to recruit from. We were faced with server versus guild health, and unfortunately, the results are as you see. We love SoR dearly, as can be seen by by what our guild leader said in the last server meeting. The decision to move was long, arduous, and in my opinion, quite divisive, but it is what it is.

I’m not griping about Choo leaving. I get it. I think it’s safe to say at this point that nearly all of SoR ‘gets it’. It just sorta read that initial post like Choo was trying to imply that they never ran tagless or was just looking for fights. That’s what I was replying to, but, obviously, that’s not the case. No hate for my friends in Choo. We had a lot of fun together. Maybe will have more in the future. Who knows? For now, have fun over in TC.

One more thing I’d like to add is that I hear a lot about how pugs and PvXers were yelled at. I personally never witnessed this except from out of FEAR. Not saying it never happened from other sources, just that I never heard it. Either way, SoR might have had its kittens, but it also had a bunch of pretty awesome people who were a joy to run with. It wasn’t this kittenty server people are only now happily painting it to be now that it’s sinking under the waves.

Qaelyn.7612:

Basically, they gave up.

what happened to SoR ? here is what happen :

those elitist “we don’t ppt” guilds thought they can stay in T1 without capping objectives, lol. so when no one capped objective they lost points, and when they lost so many points they dropped in ranking. but those elitist “we don’t ppt” guilds still want to be in T1, so they transferred to the servers that PPT, in a hope that those servers will carry them so that they can continue their “we don’t ppt” attitude, leaving SoR abandoned.

good luck to the new server when these “we don’t ppt” guilds filling up the ebg and bl.

the funny thing is that sor players talked all the time about “fights” but when they where matched against mag and fa last week they just kept blobing when in both servers guilds are willing to let others fight without interference.

and the worst of all, now they are moving back to kitten blob wars, sor had various great guilds that are into gvg but is sad to see them n**hugging in the field.

SoR is the best example of the conflict that has been going on in many servers between guilds that only want to open field fight a few hours a night, and the other guilds + pugs that are still looking to play the ppt and defense game. The two mix like oil and water, but are kinda forced to live in the same house.

I don’t think either group is entirely to blame or entirely free of blame. Servers need fighting guilds so it’s not all ridiculous siege bunkering and WP abuse. Servers also need people willing to defend and do the more monotonous task like upgrading, repairing, and building siege so the whole map is not paper k-train bait. Unfortunately though the fighting guilds often run around chest thumping and disparaging players that play ppt and want to defend, and those players start to resent that attitude.

The real problem is this though. All the guilds that left SoR, and all the other servers that have rapidly collapsed at some point (KN, SoS, SBI, IoJ), they often get help from their new server with gold or quick farming help, while all the nobody players are stuck on a server trapped in Glicko hell (weeks of crappy matches). So they basically have to come up with 1,800 gems too to keep playing as they were before.

azizul.8469:

what happened to SoR ? here is what happen :

those elitist “we don’t ppt” guilds thought they can stay in T1 without capping objectives, lol. so when no one capped objective they lost points, and when they lost so many points they dropped in ranking. but those elitist “we don’t ppt” guilds still want to be in T1, so they transferred to the servers that PPT, in a hope that those servers will carry them so that they can continue their “we don’t ppt” attitude, leaving SoR abandoned.

good luck to the new server when these “we don’t ppt” guilds filling up the ebg and bl.

Sounds to me like you’re the elitist one. You talk like they should respect your playstyle and not interfere with it, while simultaneously bashing them for their playstyle. The only difference between them and you, is that these guilds have finally realized that PPT is just whoever blobs the most on a 24 hour rotation. Not to mention putting in that effort constantly becomes a job and will burn out even the most dedicated. Coming from EU, most guilds don’t play PPT because it’s such a flawed mechanic, I guess NA is just taking longer to catch on…

Just another example of flawed human nature. The path of least resistance to try and be a part of a winning team. As a server you never want to receive these types of transfers to your server. They are temporary mercenaries that will leave at the first sign they are not going to succeed. A server like Kain is a template to what is going to happen.

Thanks for all the responses. There were alot of things that happen to SoR that I wasnt sure about.
I started on SoR back when it was a T3 server. I only play on weekends but I knew some of the Choo crew. I lost interest in the game when SoR finally made it to T1 and stated playing smite. I came back to GW2 few months ago and it didn’t feel like the same server.
I feel like i’m forced to jump ship in order to keep playing. I don’t care much about Tx I just want to play on a server that cares about wvw.

What happened to SoR? Same thing that happened to a lot of servers, WvW happened. You take a flawed scoring system and easy server transfers and your bound to see servers tank. But if you look tier 1 is almost always the same guilds and same players just under a new server tag. Its happened before and it will happen again.

Hello, I’m just an average GW2 player, been on SoR since day 1 and don’t plan on going anywhere. I consider myself a so-so WvWer, definitely nothing special. During SoR’s time in the top tiers, I got to fight alongside and against some amazing WvWers, I learned a ton and for that I’m really grateful. I got to see some amazing ‘How the kitten did they pull that off?’ maneuvers from many different guilds and commanders.

Sure, there was some friction now and then, misunderstandings and such. But they were usually quickly forgotten when the actual battle started. But things got, I don’t know “weird”, a bit before season 1 started.

I’m only 1 person and this is only 1 incident. It was a Saturday night, things looked hopping . I popped into a borderland and a small group of players was putting together a havoc squad, so I joined up with them. We weren’t all in the same guild, so I guess that means we were the dreaded “pugs”. Our spokesperson asked in map chat, if the commander would like us do anything specific, then asked again. No answer. So off we go.

We slapped a few dolyaks, picked off reinforcements, and took a supply camp. The commander was attacking garrison, we asked in map if they wanted us to join up with them. This time one of the members of the group that was on TS asked there as well. Still no answer. We go ahead and take a 2nd supply camp after they capture garrison and this exchange takes place.
Map: Hey are you guys that took Stargrove a guild group?
Us: No
Map: Are you in TS?
Us: 2 of us are
Map: Could you guys leave this bl so [blank] can get in?
Us: Why?
Map: You’re not following the commander’s orders and we’re trying to win here.

We asked for orders and didn’t get any. So on our own we stopped supply and reinforcements from getting to garrison during the attack and took 1 fully upgraded supply camp. And we weren’t trying to win? My logic circuits fried at that point, so I said goodbye to my group and logged out (for quite some time actually).

Again this is just one incident, and it may have been very isolated. But that’s what I mean when things seemed to get ‘weird’ for me.

Best of luck to all the guilds that have migrated away and I hope you have a blast wherever you land. Because isn’t the point of playing GW2 to have fun?
(Sorry for Wall o’ text)
Good hunting

Most WvW guilds have left for TC and JQ. Now means that WvW is balanced and everything will settle down to some exciting matches which could go either way.

Good luck to TC and JQ, I hope the extra numbers help in the fight.

Bharel.4328:

We slapped a few dolyaks, picked off reinforcements, and took a supply camp. The commander was attacking garrison, we asked in map if they wanted us to join up with them. This time one of the members of the group that was on TS asked there as well. Still no answer. We go ahead and take a 2nd supply camp after they capture garrison and this exchange takes place.
Map: Hey are you guys that took Stargrove a guild group?
Us: No
Map: Are you in TS?
Us: 2 of us are
Map: Could you guys leave this bl so [blank] can get in?
Us: Why?
Map: You’re not following the commander’s orders and we’re trying to win here.

We asked for orders and didn’t get any. So on our own we stopped supply and reinforcements from getting to garrison during the attack and took 1 fully upgraded supply camp. And we weren’t trying to win? My logic circuits fried at that point, so I said goodbye to my group and logged out (for quite some time actually).

Again this is just one incident, and it may have been very isolated. But that’s what I mean when things seemed to get ‘weird’ for me.

Best of luck to all the guilds that have migrated away and I hope you have a blast wherever you land. Because isn’t the point of playing GW2 to have fun?
(Sorry for Wall o’ text)
Good hunting

hmm yeah that is indeed not fun at all. in fa , we are happy that we have havoc and roaming groups and we are happy if someone takes care of stuff. it is important to work together and yes there are the commanders that will try to rally everyone, but they dont yell at people for not following.
on our server we have quiet a lot of smaller guild groups that will try to havoc or zergbust. the zergbusters are more there for the fights and run around tagless so people dont follow and rallybot, while the actual commanders will try to improve ppt and cap stuff. then there is a bunch of roamers and camp capping groups around plus e few scouts that refresh siege and upgrade and escort dolys.
so yeah, there is room for everyone. if u wanna zerg u can join commander, u wanna zergbust u apply for the guild and run with them, if u wanna roam u can and if u wanna scout or havoc u can do so too. if someone tells u that u have to do something only because u are on that server, of course its not fun.
its still a shame that your server is now stuck in matchups which u dont have the coverage for and i saw some spawncamping going on from the other server while u only had 1 tower in eb….well my zergbusting guild took care of them for u ;-)