I was just coming to the forum to see if there was any response about this as well. Did they change their minds because T1 servers over shadow all the other servers in numbers?
I’ve reached my limit with this stupid kitten. Mag has been kitten on since I can last remember and Devs don’t listen to anything or even adjust the brackets a little to even out the field. kitten you arenanet.
Right but when they said no repeats I figured it meant you wouldn’t see the same matchup regardless. Now it’s back to week 1. I guess it doesn’t really matter to much to me, but if you say you are going to do something then you should probably do it.
It’s possible I misunderstood how the system was supposed to work this time around but it would appear others had come to the same conclusion I had? Was just curious if I was wrong in the way I understood the match making this time around.
One of the problems is that someone had the brilliant idea not to randomize the matchups of the first round but to go 1v2v3 4v5v6 etc. which no “Swiss-System-Tournament” would ever do. In a “real” swiss-style tournament repeated matchups are not possible. Seems that they just do not reall care. Alas, it’s only WvW.
yeah they don’t give a kitten about WvW, its a filler for when they want to work on PvE stuff. Honestly in a true swiss this match up should have been TC-JQ-MAG. Mag has had FA all four weeks.
FA here. I for one am certainly glad I am not in the sights of BG. Still wearing all the shoe marks from JQ and TC. I thought they would be happy to be fighting a server where they are not clicking 695 nearly every night. At least I never had to repair my armor.
Wut? you really think any serious thought has been put into WvW in the last year? The “short quick tourney” was the easy button, but the easy button often fails. here we are.
Oh right, I remember that now. So if it is Swiss style, then the next match up in Silver and Bronze leagues will be based on how everyone finished this week. So all first place finishers will matchup, all second place will matchup as well as all third place?
Week 3 will then have the possibility of playing against a server that we met in week 1 or 2 right?
It is swiss style, that is correct. Certainly worlds might get matched up against one another more than once, but the nature of the matchmaking is going to minimize that, especially in conjunction with the 4 week timeframe.
I’m from SoR
-Week 1: GoM, Darkhaven.
-Week 2: Anvil Rock, Kaineng.
-Week 3: GoM, E-Bay
-Week 4: GoM, Darkhaven.
I want a kittening dev response and I want it right the kitten now!
I don’t care if you don’t like WvW, I don’t care if you don’t care about it. I DO and I paid for the game just like every other person who cares about it. I want a kittening dev response and I want it NOW.
However, BG beat TC last week and so didn’t come in first. Shouldn’t they then face 2 others servers that came in 1st?
it might work that way in week 2, when the matchups are based on week 1 results only. but for week 4, the matchups are based on the total score from weeks 1, 2 and 3. TC didn’t win in week 3, but they did win in week 2 so they ended up with 10 points at the end of week 3, which puts them in the #3 slot.
Oh right, I remember that now. So if it is Swiss style, then the next match up in Silver and Bronze leagues will be based on how everyone finished this week. So all first place finishers will matchup, all second place will matchup as well as all third place?
Week 3 will then have the possibility of playing against a server that we met in week 1 or 2 right?
It is swiss style, that is correct. Certainly worlds might get matched up against one another more than once, but the nature of the matchmaking is going to minimize that, especially in conjunction with the 4 week timeframe.
Ow im sorry, i wasnt aware i was suppose to search through the forums for a potential dev post explaining how it “really” is. Instead of just going by what is writen on the official website, on their anouncement, on the frontpage.
Yah, that makes sense.
“I know we publically anounced X, but if you looked over on this fansite here, over there in the deepest reaches of their forum, you can clearly see a dev say its Y”
Thank you for that enlightenment. And its not like the devs are constantly full of it, unwilling or willfully spreading misinformation.
arenanet’s communication is terrible, not because they dont engage in it enough, but whenever they do its often wrong and what is being said is unreliable.
I want a kittening dev response and I want it right the kitten now!
How about the one from Devon I quoted on the post a little above yours?
No, that is not a response. He mentions that one world might get matched against another world twice, but nothing about about the exact same matchup happening twice, something that was said would not happen.
“Each matchup will be unique, and every win—or upset—will make a huge difference!”
03/10/14 never forget.
But it’s only wishful thinking to interpret this statement as “no repetition of match-team composition”.
“Each XYZ will be unique” is a typical marketing statement where anyone can project its wishes into, and which has zero meaning. And every post on http://www.guildwars2.com/ is a marketing press release, as nice as possible words with as less as possible content.
Unique, of course every match will be unique, it’s not a replay of the last one, it happen at a different point in time, e.g. as the opening match or as the final, already enough to make them unique.
Absolute joke the no repeat match-ups has turned out to be. Same old story, always pitted against the largest server, lose 7-10k points every time you go to bed due to their superior coverage. Lose the desire to play.
ANet your wonderful 3rd season CHANGED NOTHING! Congratulations on a crappy job.
If all we have to look forward to after next week is the same 2 or 3 teams week in week out, then WvW and ANet can kiss my butt goodbye.
Week 1 : Piken Square vs Abaddon Mouth vs Augury Rock
Week 2: Augury Rock vs Aurora Glade vs Arborstone
Week 3: Piken Square vs Augury Rock vs Gunnars Hold
Week 4. Piken Square vs Abaddon Mouth vs Augury Rock
So yep, twice the same MU. Unique ? Nope.
They fail again.
Twice the same Mu in 9 weeks isn’t a big problem, but twice in 4 weeks….. That’s like 50% of the tournament
I do not mind facing the same T1 servers again. We are all used to the matchup and most if not all the players probably don’t mind.
I just did not understand how the system was supposed to work. When someone hears no repeat matches I guess I assumed that meant you wouldn’t see that same match again.
Thank you to those who took the time and had the patience to explain how the system actually works.
Basically Anet needs to learn how to communicate clearly and succintly. Much of what they say has multiple intrepretations. (Although this one does not really have multiple intrepretations – the PR announcment was just plain wrong. And Devon’s response is not clear either. All he had to do was say, “Yes, the same matchup can occur twice this season due to the Swiss System. The PR announcment was badly worded. We apologize for the confusion.”).
Anyway, TC and JQ why don’t you all 2v1 BG again? That could be fun for everyone, even for people not on a T1 server.
Anyway, TC and JQ why don’t you all 2v1 BG again? That could be fun for everyone, even for people not on a T1 server.
During season 2 the 2v1 was seen as a necessary evil by most (and just evil by some). Nobody really wants to do it again, and it wouldn’t even make sense with the season 3 reward structure giving out the majority of the reward based on the weekly placement.
“I’m not a PvE, WvW, or PvP player – I am a Guild Wars 2 player”
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All classes
Anyway, TC and JQ why don’t you all 2v1 BG again? That could be fun for everyone, even for people not on a T1 server.
During season 2 the 2v1 was seen as a necessary evil by most (and just evil by some). Nobody really wants to do it again, and it wouldn’t even make sense with the season 3 reward structure giving out the majority of the reward based on the weekly placement.
If we really wanted to be evil, we’d just leave BG in empty maps all week long. Though the complaining would appear as endless as that of what the 2v1 created.
“Each matchup will be unique, and every win—or upset—will make a huge difference!”
03/10/14 never forget.
But it’s only wishful thinking to interpret this statement as “no repetition of match-team composition”.
“Each XYZ will be unique” is a typical marketing statement where anyone can project its wishes into, and which has zero meaning. And every post on http://www.guildwars2.com/ is a marketing press release, as nice as possible words with as less as possible content.
Unique, of course every match will be unique, it’s not a replay of the last one, it happen at a different point in time, e.g. as the opening match or as the final, already enough to make them unique.
ow yah, their official statement. Yah you cannot actually hold them to it, because you should’ve just assumed it was bollox anyway….
No, just… no. That was their official statement, and it was a lie. A big fat lie. And they should be critized for it.
Accepting an excuse like, or making up more excuses to justify it, that isnt reasonable. Sounds more like Stockholm syndrome.
They said unique matchups every week. People are not getting unique matchups every week. Therefore, they lied. There’s no other way to work around it. It was THEIR WORDS WHEN THEY ANNOUNCED THE TOURNAMENT. If they KNEW it was possible for their to be be repeat matchups, they shouldn’t have said what they did. This is the problem with Anet. There’s zero cohesion. Guess all those glassdoor reviews are right: Communication at Anet is pretty much bollox.
I expected a JQ-TC-Mag match-up this week, but I’m not really complaining about the usual BG-JQ-TC match-up. T2 servers just don’t stand a chance against T1. It shouldn’t be that massive a difference, but it is – they literally don’t stand any chance whatsoever.
Honestly, I don’t really care what servers I’m up against, so long as there are constant fights. What guild tags or servers the red names are wearing don’t matter to me, when the enemy servers are able to come up in equal-ish numbers to fight back. Right now, that 24/7 fighting only happens in T1.
I doubt it was fun for FA and Mag to get stomped by TC and JQ, just as it isn’t fun for us having large gaps in enemy server coverage where we can’t find fights, or for their zergs to be half our size at best (sorry Mag ;c). It’s more fun having relatively balanced servers pit against each other – which is why the idea of cross-tier tournaments is so broken right now.
Honestly, the only decent match ups for NA Gold League are the week 1 and 4 match ups. I agree it’s clear the original statement of no repeat matches is false, but that’s a good thing. A TC/BG/JQ match is superior to a BG/Mag/FA match.
NA Gold League is just a terrible league. The population imbalance between T1 and T2 is dramatic and the two shouldn’t ever be paired in a fair competition (even T2 has become unhealthy lately). It’s better than season 2 (ironically season 2 encouraged more surprising outcomes than season 3 did) but NA Gold League is better off the less T1 and T2 are paired up.
Honestly, the only decent match ups for NA Gold League are the week 1 and 4 match ups. I agree it’s clear the original statement of no repeat matches is false, but that’s a good thing. A TC/BG/JQ match is superior to a BG/Mag/FA match.
NA Gold League is just a terrible league. The population imbalance between T1 and T2 is dramatic and the two shouldn’t ever be paired in a fair competition (even T2 has become unhealthy lately). It’s better than season 2 (ironically season 2 encouraged more surprising outcomes than season 3 did) but NA Gold League is better off the less T1 and T2 are paired up.
This is absolute truth, but the unfortunate side effect is that you get the T1 servers locked into a repetitive matchup, and you get the T2 servers locked into an increasingly unbalanced repetitive matchup. What would be a better system is to make leagues at least somewhat variable, knocking holes in those solid walls between gold and silver. I’m all for letting the T1 servers have fun zerging their way around the maps 24/7, but Mag shouldn’t be forced to be stuck at 10 ppt the entire tournament, and it would be nice for FA to see more than just blowouts or slightly more even blowouts.
Yeah, this is frustrating and not at all what I thought the tournament would be. I am very happy being able to buy ascended trinkets with the reward tickets, I will never complain about that!, but otherwise with the repeated match-ups and the nothing achievements I’m not sure what the point of this tournament really was. I’m sorry to sound negative about it, because I liked the hype around it, but I’m feeling discouraged.
You know, there’s a huge difference between what they say and what happens in-game. I learnt not to believe anything ANet says, because so far they never respected any of their declarations.
Honestly, the only decent match ups for NA Gold League are the week 1 and 4 match ups. I agree it’s clear the original statement of no repeat matches is false, but that’s a good thing. A TC/BG/JQ match is superior to a BG/Mag/FA match.
NA Gold League is just a terrible league. The population imbalance between T1 and T2 is dramatic and the two shouldn’t ever be paired in a fair competition (even T2 has become unhealthy lately). It’s better than season 2 (ironically season 2 encouraged more surprising outcomes than season 3 did) but NA Gold League is better off the less T1 and T2 are paired up.
I do agree with this, but then I think back to season 1 when TC was still a T2 server, and yet we still managed to pull off a third place. Not long after that SoR dropped down and TC legitimately became a T1 server.
I used to think that the population imbalance sucked, but there’s not much they could do about it as incentivizing players to move down is ineffective and you couldn’t really force the issue. But, I really like the proposal a dev posted about new worlds populated with alliances to create roughly even match-ups. That has some huge potential.
“I’m not a PvE, WvW, or PvP player – I am a Guild Wars 2 player”
Tarnished Coast – Dissentient [DIS]
All classes
every league is terrible in terms of balance. in NA, sure #1 would crush #6. but #7 would crush #15 as well, and #16 would crush #24. the situation is similar in EU.
with a strict “no repeats” policy, every week after the first week would be terrible. if you want good matchups, with servers of similar strength (as similar as possible, given the widely varying populations), then you are going to end up with repeats.
you cannot have it both ways. there simply aren’t enough servers to give everyone good matchups and varied matchups both at once. there aren’t even enough servers to give everybody a good matchup even once.
Doesn’t matter. These three teams are used to fighting each other with BG winning every time. Been doing it for months and will probably keep doing it for months. We are adapting our gameplay to accommodate BG’s dominance and getting in some good fights.
every league is terrible in terms of balance. in NA, sure #1 would crush #6. but #7 would crush #15 as well, and #16 would crush #24. the situation is similar in EU.
with a strict “no repeats” policy, every week after the first week would be terrible. if you want good matchups, with servers of similar strength (as similar as possible, given the widely varying populations), then you are going to end up with repeats.
you cannot have it both ways. there simply aren’t enough servers to give everyone good matchups and varied matchups both at once. there aren’t even enough servers to give everybody a good matchup even once.
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Round 2 was really enlighting in that respect, I did not expected that it was that bad, it turned out to be.
EU-4 till EU-9 seems to be the last area with some remaining balance. I am really lucky to be there, and I would be really happy to be there if EU-T1 would be as jailed as NA-T1.
But ok, the unlucky server that rolls into T1 from time to time can make a week WvW-holiday, that way reaching the separation sooner or later.
They have ALOT of people working here in their Comms Department that are actually PR people – who like to produce word salads that have no actual meaning – they should go do some Political Campaigns they would fit right in.
NO proper comms person/journo would put out a definitve statement like that without quadruple checking that they knew what they were talking about.
3weeks of SFR – not that that’s new as im in Deso but when a large server like us is dealing with 3 times the amount of people against at 5 am I can only guess how it can be for the other servers.
Indeed, it’s frustrating to be advertised new opponents each week (and it was totally doable!) and in game we get three times one opponent and twice another… On a 9-week tournament it’s ok to fight against the same server twice, but on a 4-week tournament… Thrice the same match-up is quite exaggerated.
Once again, we were hyped because of words and promises. And guess what? We are disappointed, just like usual, because they don’t respect what we were told.
We should really stop caring about what they say, because not even once were their advertisments close to what was delivered.
The sad part for gold league is instead of having JQ-SoS-TC competing for second third, and fourth place all SoS has to do is win the current match up which they have a huge lead over the other two servers. Then hope TC beats JQ which could very well happen, and they will clinch second place for this tournament without tying with JQ. JQ, and TC both beat SoS in the match ups they had with them, and SoS beats them because of a repeat match up of BG-JQ-TC, which Anet said would not happen.
Every time there is a tournament from now on – I am not logging on – simple :-)
Fed up with the false positives, false promises and imbalanced populations and matchups.
What is the point of battling ALL day, to be undercut overnight. Yeah right.
Thanks Anet – you’re (not) the best!
it was an experiment. We found out we are very stratified in skills. We have some teams that so overpower the rest that they can hardly play. Discovery.
