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Posted by: Fade.5904

Fade.5904

I played wvw yesterday and half our maps population had outnumbered the others didn’t, even after the ‘skirmish’ reset.
40 minutes later my friend still had the outnumbered icon, I didn’t (and many others).

If you swap characters and log back into the Outnumbered map you loose the buff.
It seems that possibly the outnumbered buff is only applying once when the map initially becomes outnumbered and then has to become not outnumbered and switch again to outnumbered before other players receive it.

Surely this can’t be how it’s meant to be now?

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Posted by: Sarrs.4831

Sarrs.4831

This is what I’ve read on reddit.

It’s pretty clearly unintentional behavior. Outnumbered is supposed to be applied or not applied each scoring tick, but people seem to think it only applies when the map switches between outmanned and not-outmanned.

I just hopped in and out of the map to see if that would fix it and I got outmanned so it might be a workaround, but I don’t know.

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Posted by: Sarika.3756

Sarika.3756

I had several instances over the weekend where people already on the map had outnumbered. They still had it after the tick, but newer people on the map did not receive it when the next tick happened.

In one case, I stayed on the map for several ticks. People who were there when the map went outnumbered had the buff, people who came in later never saw it, even though they were there for the start of the tick.

Based on that testing, the buff is bugged.

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Posted by: Hesacon.8735

Hesacon.8735

I had several instances over the weekend where people already on the map had outnumbered. They still had it after the tick, but newer people on the map did not receive it when the next tick happened.

In one case, I stayed on the map for several ticks. People who were there when the map went outnumbered had the buff, people who came in later never saw it, even though they were there for the start of the tick.

Based on that testing, the buff is bugged.

I’ve had this same experience. There is also no indication that a map is eligible for outnumbered except being on the map at the tick and either receiving it or not.

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Posted by: Elementalist Owner.7802

Elementalist Owner.7802

people seem to think it only applies when the map switches between outmanned and not-outmanned.

I just hopped in and out of the map to see if that would fix it and I got outmanned so it might be a workaround, but I don’t know.

This leads me to believe that the player has to not have the outnumbered buff before obtaining it, so it doesn’t have to be on the same map. Either way this is clearly not working as intended and should be fixed.

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Posted by: HazyDaisy.4107

HazyDaisy.4107

No problems here getting though wood chest yesterday in record time with the outnumbered buff.

Didn’t play Friday or Saturday for a couple of personal reasons. Given that I know those 2 personal reasons can always be relied on to have me outnumbered on a Sunday afternoon, I started on Green bl yesterday. After the second tick it kicked in like clockwork.

I was active the whole time while being on the map and only map switched once after completing wood to see if my absence gave my friend the buff, it did and he was able to complete wood in record time as well and I got the buff back after coming back and participating through the next tick.

Whether or not it’s working as intended for everyone, who knows? You do seem to have to participate on the map in addition to just being there through the previous tick, which is fair in my book because spawn- afking -outnumbered -abuse was the whole point of the change right?

As far as the new talk of using the outnumbered buff to “zerg hunt” lol…

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Posted by: Elementalist Owner.7802

Elementalist Owner.7802

No problems here getting though wood chest yesterday in record time with the outnumbered buff.

Didn’t play Friday or Saturday for a couple of personal reasons. Given that I know those 2 personal reasons can always be relied on to have me outnumbered on a Sunday afternoon, I started on Green bl yesterday. After the second tick it kicked in like clockwork.

I was active the whole time while being on the map and only map switched once after completing wood to see if my absence gave my friend the buff, it did and he was able to complete wood in record time as well and I got the buff back after coming back and participating through the next tick.

Whether or not it’s working as intended for everyone, who knows? You do seem to have to participate on the map in addition to just being there through the previous tick, which is fair in my book because spawn- afking -outnumbered -abuse was the whole point of the change right?

As far as the new talk of using the outnumbered buff to “zerg hunt” lol…

It’s not working as intended for anyone… It must have kicked in for you because the map you were on wasn’t outnumbered at first but then it became outnumbered. It’s not working for maps that are outnumbered from the start, which is the bug this thread is discussing.

Also I don’t get the sarcastic comment at the end; people have always used the outnumbered buff to detect enemy presence.

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Posted by: HazyDaisy.4107

HazyDaisy.4107

Yes, I know outnumbered was used to detect enemy presence, being a former scout I kinda got that. However comma, since scouts are afk pip leechers now, that aren’t even rewarded for refreshing seige, what’s the point of rewarding them with outnumbered right away for sitting in a tower doing nothing after obtaining T3?

The whole point of the decay changes was to keep people active, and if they are active they’ll know if theyre outnumbered and whether or not they’ll get that bonus.

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Posted by: Sylvyn.4750

Sylvyn.4750

I’ll have to keep an eye out for this…maybe it was just a busier weekend, but none of my scoring for this match so far was from the outnumbered buff, and that’s even with playing just on the BLs, including DBL, and no EBG yet…

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Posted by: Malerian.8435

Malerian.8435

I dunno but I have not noticed any change in the buff. But then again I never go looking for it so…

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Posted by: McKenna Berdrow

McKenna Berdrow

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There is a bug with outnumbered. We are working on a fix for it now and hope to get it out in the next release.

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Posted by: slashlizardy.9167

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Thanks. I wasn’t sure if it was just me or not. But I had been in WvW for hours on Saturday morning (US), and after being in for an hour, a guildee came on that wanted to learn. Took me awhile to go through the basics, lost my participation I gained, no biggie in the grand scheme of things. But after we had been on awhile longer, the other party member told me they just recieved +5 pips and wanted to know why, lol. I didn’t recieve the bonus at that time although I had been on the same maps with the other party member for close to 2 hrs now. On the next tick, I received the +5 bonus, but the other party member didnt…..

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Posted by: Dawdler.8521

Dawdler.8521

Cant wait to see it fixed in tomorrows release.

Ran this evening, few people on TS with one going “well at least we’re outnumbered now!”.

Yeah… no one else was.

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Posted by: zemiacsik.4590

zemiacsik.4590

Ok, I have been on the map for about an hour roaming with one guy. He had outmanned buff I did not for a whole time. I do not care about +5 but I do about map info. Have you considered what outmanned buff was really about? It is useles bunch of crap now.
Please, revert outmanned back as it was working and make +5 “outmanned” separately.

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Posted by: Dawdler.8521

Dawdler.8521

Nothing was patched all week afaik so yeah, of course it’s still bugged and kittening annoying as kitten.

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Posted by: zemiacsik.4590

zemiacsik.4590

It does not matter, if the buff applies every tick it does not correspond to the current situation of map population and it is useless.

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Posted by: Pimpology.6234

Pimpology.6234

if these aren’t the official forums where information about the state of wvw is released what reddit? url is it? Doesn’t make sense anet using reddit instead of here.

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Posted by: aandiarie.7195

aandiarie.7195

I went to outnumbered maps and was at max participation for many ticks, but everyone was getting the outnumbered pips but me. I’d have finished my diamond 6/6, but I got jipped. I got 5 pips when I should’ve been getting 10.

I should’ve been counted as finishing diamond I was at 6/6 and the final pips were only giving me the 5 and not 10. I did a crap ton of wvw hrs to get there.

So I missed out on my 40 skirmish tickets and the 6/6 diamond rewards. I was so close, but I couldn’t get the correct pips and I did many wvw hrs.

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Posted by: Pumped.2371

Pumped.2371

Still broken, please fix.

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Posted by: Princess.7584

Princess.7584

If this was a pve everything would have stopped for new build. But its wvw, knowing if you are on a outnumbered map makes a big difference how you play, so this bug is effectively game breaking.

Only in wvw…

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Posted by: Thea Cherry.6327

Thea Cherry.6327

if these aren’t the official forums where information about the state of wvw is released what reddit? url is it? Doesn’t make sense anet using reddit instead of here.

What should they say? They are fixing nothing, it’s “just” WvW things so they don’t care anyway.

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Posted by: Firebaall.5127

Firebaall.5127

Last night EBG was outnumbered for Dragonbrand, and there was a queue listed for the map. lol

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Posted by: Pumped.2371

Pumped.2371

No mention of a fix in the patch notes?

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Posted by: Dawdler.8521

Dawdler.8521

Nope, not a single mention of the outnumbered bug in todays patch.

kitten.

Just yesterday we where outnumbered for like 40 minutes, but encountered a nasty all-condi guild group so I thought “hey I’ll try one of my other characters”. Result? Not outnumbered anymore. My guildmate was still outnumbered. Waited for tick… still not outnumbered. Waited another tick… still not outnumbered. My guildmate was still outnumbered, because of course. Logged in to the original character instead, hoping maybe that fix it. Nope. Two ticks later, not outnumbered. My guildmate was – you guessed it – outnumbered. In a little 10 man group that randomly formed to take a tower I checked everyone. Like half of them was outnumbered, lol.

Fix. Your. kitten. Anet.

Either that or revert the kitten change because this isnt worth it. Or tell us “oh sorry, we just didnt add it to the patch notes but it’s been fixed”. Please.

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Posted by: McKenna Berdrow

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It went out in today’s patch. Just missed release notes.

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Posted by: Dawdler.8521

Dawdler.8521

Finally, thank you.

When I was running earlier it did seem more reliable. At least when we we where outnumbered everyone around me seemed to be outnumbered too, plus it hit on the next tick after I joined a guildies border. Well except loosing it every 10m due to DC.

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Posted by: Malerian.8435

Malerian.8435

Thanks for your hard work! I really appreciate the fix!