Guild Wars 2

I’m on Ehmry Bay and I’ve noticed that every time we get matched up with Crystal Desert, they seem to focus us. I’m sure they have a more oriented WvW player base than EBay, but the third server is almost always left alone, leaving us in last nearly every week we’re matched up. This is just blind speculation, but it’s a recurring theme. It’s just a curiosity to me, I haven’t heard about grudges between the servers or anything of the sort. Again, I’m just asking, no hard feeling towards CD, I’d just like to know if there’s a reason to it.

CD only seems to focus EBay because CD is much bigger than EBay. We did get second place against them just last week, and the battle for second is not over this week either.

They are in serious business mode this week though as Anet RNG continues to deny them their rightful place in T3, but afaik that’s all there is to it.

For better or worst, CD has always focused the stronger of the 2 servers, even if that pushes us into 3rd some matchups. Just ask HoD when we faced them for a few weeks, we would be on there BL all the time when they had much more numbers than DH. Also we have only faced you once in the last 2 months or so(this week being the second time) and last week and you guys came second, not sure how you are saying we are pushing you third?

Perhaps they like you ?

I know my guild picked EBay on reset last time, and then there was queue’s on all maps, so we didn’t dare trying to leave the map. Reason we picked EBay bl was because we had played against NSP recently.

Moxar.7561:

but the third server is almost always left alone, leaving us in last nearly every week we’re matched up

Let’s take a look at the numbers:

In the last 20 weeks:

• CD has been matched up with Ebay 6 times (not including this week as it just started)
• Ebay ended up in 1st place once.
• 2nd place 4 times (the last three meetings, Ebay has gotten 2nd place… most recently last week).
• 3rd place once.

So what is the deal with CD and EBay? Why does CD always hit the third server? Is there some sort of conspiracy between CD and EBay? /s

I haven’t seen any focusing on EB, but I also don’t play 24/7. Most mornings the group I run with were hitting NSP borderlands trying to waypoint their keeps for kicks. I know last night we were running in EB BL, but that’s because EBG had a queue, and NSP was already half our colour. EB ended up trying to hold back 3 different groups of us trying to find some fights. It ended up working well, splitting forces and such. That didn’t stop CoT or WOE from rolling out and spanking us a few times. NSP pulled in their skill group too, and it just became such a mess, but a great fun mess. Last night had some amazing fights.

So in short, I don’t think we’re focusing you, but I do not speak for CD. I’m just and underling. The reality is we have a pretty large coverage on CD. It’s not uncommon to see a tag or even multiple tags on each map. For me, originally a bronze bandwagoning up, it’s shocking. I’d barely find one tag to run with on all maps, and now there’s multiples?!

Also COT, is a beast. You should be proud.

what focus ? no focusing on Ebay from this score….

According to gw2score, CD successfully spent 10.8% of the score on NSP border and 10.9% on Ebay border. There is no favoritism according to the score alone. However that doesn’t show how much time CD actually spent on each border, only the successful flips.

If one will look to the chart alone, will deduce the score of 2nd and 3rd is determined exactly by those servers than by the 1st. Ebay and NSP spend way too much time fighting each other instead of CD, crippling their own score.

in other words, CD tries to take objectives equally.

maybe it seems like they spend more time taking EB objectives because EB fights back harder, so it takes longer.

-ken

Not sure what sorta focus you mean….

The graph does not lie. We maintain our BL, Focus EB (even though we’d prefer not to, stop hugging towers and fight thanks), and push both BL’s at an equal rate.

What most people overlook is the population. You see a healthy force on Ebay BL and think CD is focusing you because it’s not possible for Ebay to cover multiple maps with that size of a force. So of course that means CD is incapable of fielding that size of force on multiple maps.

I assure you, they can field those numbers on multiple maps at once.

Didn’t mean to start a fire storm, all I did was point out some observations of mine. Almost every time I’ve been on EBay home is mostly controlled by CD, while the other server is usually left alone. I thought it might be a grudge thing, that’s why I asked to begin with. I guess it’s just a thing where they focus different servers at different times, doesn’t bother me, it’s a legitimate strategy.

What happened to NSP? A few weeks ago they were up in T3 and not doing too bad.

Their Band Wagon skills are sub par clearly.

azyume.6321:

If one will look to the chart alone, will deduce the score of 2nd and 3rd is determined exactly by those servers than by the 1st. Ebay and NSP spend way too much time fighting each other instead of CD, crippling their own score.

NSP and EB do spend to much time fighting i’ll agree with you there. NSP normally likes to try and fight CD just because -cough- reasons -cough- lol but something I’ve noticed on a lot of matches is that the moment NSP goes and tries to push CD Ebay will either just backcap everything we take or will go to our side, forcing us to choose to either abandon our push time after time to go defend or to continue with the push, (because sometimes you just need a little fun in life lol), losing our side in the process. I’d love to be able to have fun and just go for the big guy lol but sadly we don’t often get that chance. X3

Snowreap.5174:

maybe it seems like they spend more time taking EB objectives because EB fights back harder, so it takes longer.

-ken

While this week that may be a little true (just because NSP is tired of this matchup with CD week after week and realize the RNG gods hate us >>) I wouldn’t say that EB puts up more of a substantial fight that NSP overall lol. I mean backcapping happens a lot but you never really see EB pushing CD’s keep to try and take away their wp for the heck of it or just taking and holding one of the enemies keeps just to try and push it as far as you can.

Johje Holan.4607:

What happened to NSP? A few weeks ago they were up in T3 and not doing too bad.

Honestly we had a good push for a little while and we started to take a few steps forward but overall the servers we faced just had to many numbers for us. CD for example keeps us very aware of that outnumbered buff lol and after week after week of fighting them some guys are honestly just tired of fighting continually losing odds. Sometimes we’ll still get people out there for a little while to push our side a bit, maybe have a fun event like last week when we took CD’s hills spur of the moment and held it for like 3 hours for fun (man I wanted that WP so bad lol X3). If we get in a different matchup next week you’ll probably see more people returning.

Johje Holan.4607:

What happened to NSP? A few weeks ago they were up in T3 and not doing too bad.

Coverage, and I imagine a constant flurry of RNG matchups that kept putting them higher. From the SBI view, it would seem NSP hung around mostly due to their rather strong defensive and scouting network. Generally, their stuff is very hard to karma train capture, so I wouldn’t be surprised if this discourages attackers rather than be a malicious 2v1 situation.

This is speculation, of course and also turning into an MU thread.

ArchonWing.9480:

Johje Holan.4607:

What happened to NSP? A few weeks ago they were up in T3 and not doing too bad.

Coverage, and I imagine a constant flurry of RNG matchups that kept putting them higher. From the SBI view, it would seem NSP hung around mostly due to their rather strong defensive and scouting network. Generally, their stuff is very hard to karma train capture, so I wouldn’t be surprised if this discourages attackers rather than be a malicious 2v1 situation.

This is speculation, of course and also turning into an MU thread.

My honest take on it is, NSP had a band wagon, it wasn’t a huge one but it was enough to cause disparity in T4. They seemed perfectly fine when they could easily win with little to no competition. Then they rolled T3 (really this was their own fault) and got stomped, the easy wins evaporated and they had to taste their own medicine for a couple of weeks. They finally got to come back down to T4 but unfortunately CD had been doing some band wagoning themselves, now there was competition, NSP had another server that could hold their own to deal with. People either left NSP or stopped logging in. It was all their own doing.

In short, NSP created T4 disparity and were happy with easy wins, when things got tough they tucked tail and ran.

Random.4691:

ArchonWing.9480:

Johje Holan.4607:

What happened to NSP? A few weeks ago they were up in T3 and not doing too bad.

Coverage, and I imagine a constant flurry of RNG matchups that kept putting them higher. From the SBI view, it would seem NSP hung around mostly due to their rather strong defensive and scouting network. Generally, their stuff is very hard to karma train capture, so I wouldn’t be surprised if this discourages attackers rather than be a malicious 2v1 situation.

This is speculation, of course and also turning into an MU thread.

My honest take on it is, NSP had a band wagon, it wasn’t a huge one but it was enough to cause disparity in T4. They seemed perfectly fine when they could easily win with little to no competition. Then they rolled T3 (really this was their own fault) and got stomped, the easy wins evaporated and they had to taste their own medicine for a couple of weeks. They finally got to come back down to T4 but unfortunately CD had been doing some band wagoning themselves, now there was competition, NSP had another server that could hold their own to deal with. People either left NSP or stopped logging in. It was all their own doing.

In short, NSP created T4 disparity and were happy with easy wins, when things got tough they tucked tail and ran.

Honestly the same thing that happens to every server, even without any transfers. You start winning people from your own server start showing up. Start rolling and there is a army of people coming in and loving it! Then actually have to fight and all those that joined the train go back to their pve events and you are left wondering what the heck happened to all your numbers that got you where ypu are.

It will be interesting to see of CDs pop goes down any in what i am sure will be a better match up in T3. Although id be happy if we fail rng again and dont go t3 for golem week.

Random.4691:

In short, NSP created T4 disparity and were happy with easy wins, when things got tough they tucked tail and ran.

There’s a few of us on CD that think that’ll be us when we hit T3.

Random.4691:

ArchonWing.9480:

Johje Holan.4607:

What happened to NSP? A few weeks ago they were up in T3 and not doing too bad.

Coverage, and I imagine a constant flurry of RNG matchups that kept putting them higher. From the SBI view, it would seem NSP hung around mostly due to their rather strong defensive and scouting network. Generally, their stuff is very hard to karma train capture, so I wouldn’t be surprised if this discourages attackers rather than be a malicious 2v1 situation.

This is speculation, of course and also turning into an MU thread.

My honest take on it is, NSP had a band wagon, it wasn’t a huge one but it was enough to cause disparity in T4. They seemed perfectly fine when they could easily win with little to no competition. Then they rolled T3 (really this was their own fault) and got stomped, the easy wins evaporated and they had to taste their own medicine for a couple of weeks. They finally got to come back down to T4 but unfortunately CD had been doing some band wagoning themselves, now there was competition, NSP had another server that could hold their own to deal with. People either left NSP or stopped logging in. It was all their own doing.

In short, NSP created T4 disparity and were happy with easy wins, when things got tough they tucked tail and ran.

I am not sure how true that is. NSP didn’t bandwagon to t3; they were originally T3 when it was all screwed up with one t2 server kept coming down. Eventually, this was “fixed” when DB permanently dropped down and SBI/Mag began a buildup to reach t3. It only made sense that it would push NSP down to t4 and they were naturally overmatched against t4 for a while. At the same time, DB was increasingly getting weaker, thus increasing the chance NSP goes back to t3 regardless of what they do. But as it appears CD is readying for T3, t4 is again screwed up. In fact, recently CD was able to defeat HOD, the current t3 occupant.

I think this is more of a function of a population imbalance and other servers collecting players rather than anyone fairweathering since anyone looking for easy wins on NSP would have ran off somewhere in between Dec 2014- Mar 2015 and they seem to be better off than a few other servers that were in t3 at the time. After that, it would seem like there would be a few more bigger bandwagons to join.

No, they did have a band wagon. I had an alt on DH I watched them go from where they were to considerably larger within a couple weeks. You can go back and look at their PPT progression on millenium. They weren’t big enough for T3 but to big for T4 so they were T3.5, which was not the case the couple weeks prior when fighting them.

Random.4691:

No, they did have a band wagon. I had an alt on DH I watched them go from where they were to considerably larger within a couple weeks. You can go back and look at their PPT progression on millenium. They weren’t big enough for T3 but to big for T4 so they were T3.5, which was not the case the couple weeks prior when fighting them.

NSP doesn’t doesn’t depend on two or three massive WvW guilds to hold everything up like many servers — it survives off of lots of smaller guilds, pugs, and some really good pugmanders. (For years NSP hasn’t even had a guild that runs ~20 people regularly.) So while the servers ranked above NSP got their big WvW guilds farmed away to T2 (creating the four T2 servers), NSP stayed pretty stable.

That’s how NSP ended up in T3.

Plus, being a server of pugs, you see extreme population shifts from week to week depending on how unbalanced the matchup happens to be…

The way I see it, if you’re in a big WvW guild that runs 20 people at a time, you’re going to have fun no matter how unbalanced the matchup (against you) because you’re going to get big fights and win a lot of them.. so you’ll still log on a reasonable amount during these unbalanced matchups. Not so with pugs.

Then again, if you do have big WvW guilds, they get farmed away by the higher tiers, so the way it is now for NSP fits pretty well.

There is a difference between shifting population and having guilds move to your server which increases population and activity. NSP players have already admitted to receiving guilds on the WvW forums. While some of their population was due to fair weathers, it was minimal, just like every other servers fair weathers cause minimal increases.

They received guilds, crapped all over T4 and then got crapped on in T3 and gave up. I’ve been on several servers that have faced NSP in the past, one thing holds true with NSP, when things get tough they give up. This goes all the way back to when they were throwing matches against AR, YB is known for being the worst siege/tower humping server NA, NSP is known for giving up.

It comes off as offensive but it’s what I have seen from NSP in 3 years.

NSP didn’t get “crapped on” in t3. They were the weakest server, sure, but it’s not like they gave up either. In fact, they took 2nd place in a recent matchup with a last minute push. (June 6-13), and then lost the next one, a t4 matchup, to CD. At this point, anyone sane would realize T3 was meant for HOD or CD.

Having fought my own share of NSP, I don’t think you’re giving them enough credit.

Random.4691:

There is a difference between shifting population and having guilds move to your server which increases population and activity. NSP players have already admitted to receiving guilds on the WvW forums. While some of their population was due to fair weathers, it was minimal, just like every other servers fair weathers cause minimal increases.

They received guilds, crapped all over T4 and then got crapped on in T3 and gave up. I’ve been on several servers that have faced NSP in the past, one thing holds true with NSP, when things get tough they give up. This goes all the way back to when they were throwing matches against AR, YB is known for being the worst siege/tower humping server NA, NSP is known for giving up.

It comes off as offensive but it’s what I have seen from NSP in 3 years.

LOL, you’re talking about two guilds from ET, neither of which ran more than 10 people at a time, one of which left quickly with the remaining running roughly once a week.
Yep, bandwagon.

You don’t even have a clue what you’re talking about.